your statement that you believe, like Nifong, that something happened at that party is saying in fact that you don't believe the DNA report that there was NO trace of semen from the lacrosse players found. Add to that the testimony of the other black woman at the party indicating that she neither engaged in or witnessed the other dancer engaging in sexual intercourse with the lacrosse players.

Aren't you really saying that you prefer to believe they are guilty, without regard to evidence? Your post reads that way to me.

Now, as for the Georgia judges that have declared that a black woman cannot be raped, please share their names with us. These are the kind of judges we want to avoid or remove from the bench, and you can help.

I said that I believe that something happened. The fact that there is no DNA or evidence of intercourse doesn't mean that nothing happened. It just means that nothing that can be affirmatively proven happened. It's not that I prefer to believe that they're guilty; it's that I believe a bunch of college boys who hire an exotic dancer to come to a private home aren't innocent.

As for those judges, not to worry. None of the ones in Georgia of which I am aware are on the bench in the Metro Atlanta region. Their constituents are not likely to be swayed by anyone outside of their judicial circuits telling them who to elect. So, we have a snowball's chance of removing them.

As I said, that is all I have to say about that.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

I would say that you are about as positive that the two entertainers are as innocent as maybe SWMBO thinks maybe they are guilty.
DNA doesn't get on everyone every time you touch them, you know. It might prove sex was there but its absence doesn't necessarily disprove it. Husbands and wives have sex all the time and no DNA would be found many times.
I'm simply not for girls making a living that way and not for college students to hire them for such purposes. I know it is ignored most of the time and is considered harmless by many parents and others, but it only takes once to get into trouble.
Somebody did need some form of punishment in this case other than the DA.
I'm not sure that the second girl would want even her family to know that rape was even possible in these circumstances!

The press focused on the lacross players and the dancers but consider this: Imagine the parents of all of those young adults having to hear about the context in which all of their lives intersected. What does one think when they hear their young adult daughter has been taking her clothes off for money? What does a mother think of her son when she hears that he has paid a woman to come and take off her clothes? What does a sister think of her brother when she hears he was at a party with an exotic dancer? And what does a brother think of his sister earning money by being ogled (and worse) by a bunch of drunken frat-boy types? None of that presumes that there was a rape but I can't imagine a parent thinking that they'd succeeded in raising a morally-decent adult under those circumstances.

I don't know about any of them but, in my parents' home, punishment was swift and severe -- at any age. My parents would surely have exacted some painful physical punishment for sullying our family name with such foolishness and exercising such poor judgement.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Since 88 professors attempted to proclaim guilt of innocents in the Spring of 2006, where is their public apology in the Summer of 2007?

Since the Duke University fired the Lacrosse Team coach, and cancelled the season -- both based on knee jerk reactions -- why should we think that there will not be future knee jerk reactions if 'some' perceive that it would be the 'politically correct' thing to do?

What type of an example does the Duke faculty (and president) think they have conveyed to prospective students with respect to protecting individual constitutional rights?

How would the president and the 88 professors feel to see their pictures in a "WANTED" poster?

How many of the 88 professors who signed the petition have the backbone to stand up and say "I'M SORRY", or do they wish their educated idiocy to serve as a reminder why it is a 'good thing' not to have tenure??

Saying "I'm sorry" now could not erase all of the damage that they've done, and I'd doubt their sincerity.

Duke's Mission Statement:

“The mission of Duke University is to provide a superior liberal education to undergraduate students, attending not only to their intellectual growth but also to their development as adults committed to high ethical standards and full participation as leaders in their communities; to prepare future members of the learned professions for lives of skilled and ethical service ...."

Maybe the Board of Trustees and faculty should re-read it!

Look here for Statements by Duke President Richard H. Brodhead on Resignation and Disbarment of Durham DA Mike Nifong. I don't see any previous statements, which leads me to conclude that Duke didn't respond until Nifong resigned.

"Duke University was also included in the harm in having to respond to the Durham District Attorney’s assurances that a crime had been committed and the unprecedented crisis those assurances unleashed. The actions Duke took caused consternation to many in the university family, which I profoundly regret."

Brodhead seems to blame Nifong for what followed at Duke (or at least use Nifong's accusations as an excuse) = Hey, we're victims, too!

I haven't looked elsewhere for apologies, but the official statements don't seem to acknowledge the wrongs done at Duke or any plans to avoid this type of lynch-mob mentality in the future.

Basmati never misses an opportunity to denigrate other bloggers. You can look at "Basmati, Perspective!" if you want the context of his mischaracterization (to put it politely). Basmati used the announcement of the death of Judge Whalen to call him "draconic" and "The Ice Cream Bandit Judge." He can speak his mind freely but will criticize others for adding comments to an on-going discussion (especially if someone responds to one his attacks on another blogger). He even uses someone's death to attack other bloggers, as in "Another song!"

I felt something warm between my thighs
I'd wet myself to my surprise
I lowered my head, Tug looked at me and said
"Hold on Mix... let's clean you up a bit."

Here's Hutch's about Basmati's "disgusting ditty about Tug."

I'll let you decide if you can believe Basmati's assessment of other bloggers.

You feel that the DUI case here recently in PTC deserves punishment immediately and getting fired when guilt is established.
You seem to also to feel that the Duke Lacrosse players should get an apology from 88 Duke professors who wanted such shenanagins stopped by University students.
Now if you believe that there was no DUIs that night at that frat house, then I have some land in Southern Georgia in the swamp that I want to sell you!
Is it ok by you if such parties continue to occur at Duke? (They will of course).
Do you know how many of the Duke students were in that building that night? Did they all say nothing illegal happened?
The technicalities of making announcements away from the courthouse instead of in the courthouse, occur every day in the USA.
My Lord, listen to hang em all Nancy Grace, and Bill O'reilly.
I doubt that rape occurred either, don't know, but I do know that someone was hired for that party illegally.
I also know that you don't mess with Duke or UNC in North Carolina!

Where did I say, "the DUI case here recently in PTC deserves punishment immediately and getting fired when guilt is established"?

What I "feel" has nothing to do with laws that were or were not broken.

"if you believe that there was no DUIs that night at that frat house" -- I never commented one way or another. I would imagine that there was a lot of drinking, but I've don't recall any confirmation of that right now.

What does the Duke case have to do with a local principal (?) being charged with DUI?

The "shenanagins" [sic] that you minimize cost the accused thousands (more?) of dollars and led to the D.A. being disbarred. He may face criminal charges, but I haven't followed the ordeal closely.

"DUIs that night at that frat house" -- Show me the arrest records. One DUI, or multiple DUI's, does not excuse another. That's called situational ethics.

"Is it ok by you if such parties continue to occur at Duke?" -- NO!!!!! Ignorant question since you know that I see the moral implications of the whole situation.

"I do know that someone was hired for that party illegally." -- I'm not so sure because, if that were true, where are the charges?

Being "legal" does not equate to being moral.

Why don't you satisfy your curiosity productively by reading and re-reading posts until you understand!

I've heard about this "Gang of 88" Duke professors, and it would appear that it's an article of faith amongst the hate-radio audience that these professors have unjustly tried and convicted the Duke lacrosse team in the press.

I took the time to look up their ad today, it's right HERE

From my view, it looks like a sleazy attempt to promote the professors pet causes in the wake of a highly publicized crime, not unlike the ghoulish behavior of our own Pentapenguin and Denise who used the Virginia Tech killings to pimp their own agendas.

Lack of class transcends political affiliation.
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Look at my avatar. Does that look like a "human being" to you?

hate-radio audience
Oh, you mean Al Franken on Air America?

From my view, it looks like a sleazy attempt to promote the professors pet causes in the wake of a highly publicized crime, not unlike the ghoulish behavior of our own Pentapenguin and Denise who used the Virginia Tech killings to pimp their own agendas.

My dedicated response to your libelous comments is here: Basnazi Gollum the Lying Hypocrite

Please direct your hatred there and keep this topic well, on topic.

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Tell Senior El Presidente no to amnesty!

"Lack of class" is your disgusting song about Tug and Mixer and continuously injecting your deliberate misrepresentation of my blogs.

"Another song!"

Tug's right when she calls it trashy.

Reading the fine print as to which departments at the university sponsored the ad, I was gratified to see that the philosophers did not go along with it. It was mostly those faux disciplines that have come into existence since the 60s and 70s.