It's best just to let dollar vent. I've asked dollar for a reset of dollar's button, but best for us to steer clear of this while dollar vents. Cheers Hutch, and I'm glad you "get it."

Kevin "Hack" King

he did reset, that's all there is.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I can't wait for that beer in Tulsa. Time to go spread some mulch though. That will be more enjoyable than watching Dollar minimize extreme bravery. Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

First off, how do you know Lynch's rifle wouldn't fire,and wasn't it inconsiderate of the Iraqi's not to respect our clear zone, second, anyone over there is in combat, third, Hack's talking about the people who went in to get her, fourth, it just galls the crap out of you that Tillman gave up the money to enlist, don't it, oh, thats right he was going to be a movie atar when he got back {according to you who knows what is in all men's hearts and minds} name me one war where there wasn't a friendly fire incident.Fifth what do the problems we're having now got to do with what was happening then, crawl back under your rock dollar. You must have been one heck of a soldier in your day, because it seems no one can measure up to you now.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

She admitted she didn't fire a shot right after it happened. Probably didn't know how. Now let us face truth: the last ship of the Navy that went out for several months, which had women aboard, came back with nearly all the ladies pregnant! At least the army seems to provide birth control better. Another mismanagement item.
The people who went in to get Lynch did not run into ONE single enemy. They had left purposely! No heroes there but the camera man and the flag presenter.
There have been pleanty of DEAD and seriously wounded heroes in Afghanistan and Iraq without hyping football players and young women.
Reagan did enough of that sort during WWll with cameras.

Give me the hull number and dates and some facts, don't just accuse. cite me some references. you've run your mouth now back it up.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Why do you dispute what I say when you don't know? Lynch didn't fire---it was in the news when it happened.
The article about Navy pregnancies was in the New York several months ago. The worst part was that the officers reported that no one was at fault, that a woman had a right to get pregnant and it might not have been any officers or men on the ship?????
We have problems fellow, and if we don't start demanding better, we won't get it.

I'll give you partial credit here dollar, there were some pregnacies, 36 of them, 14 before reporting to the ship, but still a long way ffrom the 360 women on board, just a slight exageration wouldn't you say. Now are you saying sailors aren't allowed to have sex while in the navy or just the women sailors. Do you think the women in the army and air force have sex or is that outlawed too. Tell me if a women in the Army was to come up pregnant while in a stateside job, would that mean it was with another soldier? To tell you the truth if you said the sun comes up in the east, I would forever look west from that time on. Thank for the help Bad.

ps..I can't believe they edited me for using the word I did, in no way could that be offensive, and if it is it's going to be hard to read alot of posts from now on. Tell me Miss Emily, what was so wrong with that word?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I was the one who edited you dude.

Rule of thumb: if you it's not acceptable to hear out of a first-grader's mouth, don't post it.

It's not that hard to keep it clean. When necessary let the #%*Q($%) symbols fly (and don't get cute trying to spell something with symbols).

A recent survey shows that discipline is the leading concern of teachers. Across the country teachers are exasperated that students swear almost incessantly because they are so accustomed to swearing at home and hearing it from their parents and friends, in the movies, on TV, and in the music they listen to that they have become desensitized to it. Not only is it coarsening the school climate and social discourse; it is evidence of a decline in language skills.

Popular culture has made base language acceptable and "hip," and many teachers say that they only expect things to get worse. Although many school systems ban profanity, not much happens to most offenders, and many teachers say that they no longer bother reporting it. Many parents are no help because they themselves curse and excuse their children's bad behavior.

Children ages 4 and 5 may go through a phase of using inappropriate language that they hear but can't understand, and many parents just ignore it. At school this language becomes "cool," and by middle and high school, using profanity has become habit. Many teachers see this habit as "lazy language" (a lack of articulation) and a revelation of a poor vocabulary.

Profanity is obscene or foul language that is offensive to accepted standards of decency. It is abusive and vulgar (coarse or lacking in refinement; of low, common, or inferior quality), often irreverent, language.

Almost too late teachers have come to realize that if you don't stop the little things, the little things become big.

People no longer even bother to use the excuse "Pardon my French" because they assume that no one is at all bothered by their foul language. In the Fifties, cursing was considered to be a major taboo, so the speaker would actually curse in French to be more polite (and to appear sophisticated). In québécois French, swearing sounds like an inventory being taken at a church because québécois curse words are frequently of religious origin (specifically disrespectful and hostile to the Roman Catholic Church, even though church attendance has plummeted in the past 40 years and swearers have little idea about what they profaning); their milder curse words allude to sex and excrement (scatological or toilet humour). The oaths are so ingrained in Quebec French culture that "one cannot converse fluently without them" according to a professor of linguistics at the University of Ottawa who teaches them in his classes.

Observers of French culture have long noted that swearing and cursing are commonly practiced. "Gambling, prostitution [and syphilis called "French-sick" and the "French disease"], poverty, beggars, dilapidated buildings, and filth all permeate the country. To Englishmen, France seems fetid and vile, without being magnificent or fragrant. The French are notorious for their mean attitude and arrogant mannerisms" (1743). Paris was especially rife with "debauchery."

The term Bohemian, popularized in William Makepeace Thackeray's novel, Vanity Fair, with a connotation of arcane enlightenment, was first used to describe the "alternative" life-styles of Parisian artists, writers, and intellectuals (the avant-garde) who who lived and acted with no regard for conventional rules of behavior. Literary Bohemians were associated in the French imagination with roving Gypsies, or free souls -- outsiders apart from conventional society and untroubled by its disapproval.

The Age of Enlightenment and the Age of Reason helped create the intellectual framework for the French Revolution. Biblical revelation and inspiration, viewed as superstition, were rejected and replaced with a pantheistic view of the universe where God and Nature were one. Liberalism, derived from the French libéral and associated with lawlessness and a libertine lifestyle, has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment.

The dechristianization of France began during the French Revolution (1789–1799) and resulted in the abolition of the very word dimanche ("Sunday") and the replacing of the Gregorian calendar with one that had ten-day weeks (to defy the Biblical 7-day week and the sabbath) and began at year I (one) to eliminate B.C. (before Christ) and A.D. (anno Domini, “in the year of our Lord”). Street and place names with any sort of religious connotation were changed. Religious holidays were banned and replaced with holidays to celebrate the harvest and other non-religious symbols. The ringing of church bells, religious processions, and displays of the Christian cross were forbidden.

Robespierre, one of the best-known leaders of the French Revolution and a leader of the Reign of Terror that took the lives of between 18,500 and 40,000 people, made it clear that his concept of a Supreme Being differed greatly from the traditional God of Christianity; his "Supreme Being" was a "radical democrat."

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9).
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"The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing" is not a new problem in America; General Washington lamented that it was "growing into fashion" in the American Army in 1776. He urged the officers to be a good example to their men because "the wanton practice of swearing has risen to a most disgusting height."

Swearing "is a vice so mean and low . . . that every man of sense and character detests and despises it."

General Henry Lee said of Washington, "Vice shuddered in his presence, and virtue always felt his fostering hand. The purity of his private character gave effulgence to his public virtues."

The foundation of our country is quite a contrast to the founding of the French Republic, despite what revisionists would try to convince us. "Study history," an admonition of Churchill, is still good advice today.

[Vile France: Fear, Duplicity, Cowardice and Cheese by Denis Boyles is touted as a funny polemic about French elitist anti-Americanism. "What we mistakenly see as a craven, anti-Semitic, hypocritical, hysterically anti-American, selfish, overtaxed, culturally exhausted country bereft of ideas... is actually worse than all that. It's vile."]

Gee, thank for the history lesson, I'm not sure what it has to do with me, the poin I was making was I thought John made me look bad, like I had said something wrong, I notice he dodn't address the part of my post pertaining to certain sexual practices being discussed on these boards. It's done, over with, but I still feel I came off second best here for no reason.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I actually read this lecture by Denise because it had no blue and had no pastes, maybe copied.
What is considered bad languge, cursing, sexual innuendoes, etc., by many is no worse now than 100 years ago as a percentage of the population. More children get away with using it in public places due to parents finding it inoffensive at home.
I remember no such language, say at school or in a store, when I was young, but the young generally made up for it elswwhere! Alaso, it used to depend upon WHO you were, as now.
TV acceptance (and movies) by parents and teachers, has made such language and actions acceptable.
Remember, progress brings change. It was at one time a criminal offense to preach that the world was not flat and that we revolved around the sun instead of vice-versa.
Or, simply compare the way of life in Solomon's time with today: Many wives, many concubines, many killings for no cause, etc. Cursing wouldn't have been too bad.
Sex has always been sex!

"I actually read this lecture" -- Wonders never cease!

If meant as an insult, then I'll take "lecture" as a compliment. It's always best to use lemons to make lemonade.

Lecture -- An exposition of a given subject delivered before an audience or a class, as for the purpose of instruction; an earnest admonition or reproof

"maybe copied" -- Now, you really insult me!

You complain if I quote and you complain if I don't.

Have you ever heard the expression, "You'd complain if they hanged you with a new rope"?

"I remember no such language, say at school or in a store, when I was young"

That is the point of the teachers' frustration: they don't want to hear cursing at school, or elsewhere, for that matter.

"but the young generally made up for it elswwhere! [sic]"

Not necessarily, especially if the parents and other adults did not tolerate it any place.

"Remember, progress brings change." Try re-reading the teachers' concerns.

A decrease in language skills and vocabulary is NOT "progress"; it is going backwards, deterioration, decline.

BTW, God condemned Solomon's lifestyle, and Solomon suffered the consequences of his choices. The book of Ecclesiastes expresses how empty his life really was. Also, people cursed back then, too.

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Why does the wicked man revile God?
Why does he say to himself,
"He won't call me to account."
But you, O God, do see. (Psalm 10:13-14)

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As I have stated before, I did not cuss in that post, He must have found the word offensive but, obviously, that word is but not some of the topics discussed here, he said the rule is if you wouldn't hear it from a first grader don't post it. Well I'm done with it, moving on, putting it behind me, sorry, can you say "behind"?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that word. It's ya'lls site, you make the rules, but how you can edit that but allow people to talk about anal sex is beyond me, but maybe you know different first graders then I do.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I wholeheartedly agree that this particular topic should not be the subject of polite conversation (or an acceptable practice in a civilized society); however, Basmati was the one who first brought this "variation" (deviation, perversion) into the topic about the HPV vaccine. Since he vigorously promotes "comprehensive" [including all or everything] sex education (beginning in pre-K ?), I put forth a medical perspective on the topic, emphasizing the unhealthy aspects of the practice. In a day when every other commercial seems to be for Viagra or Cialis and the news item of the day is what B. Spears is or not wearing, then a presentation of medical facts, using medical terminology, is often unavoidable. I will attempt to avoid gratuitous references to offensive subjects; however, if an unwholesome subject is interjected in a values-neutral or positive way, I will endeavor to present the "other side."

I support the efforts of organizations such as the Parents Television Council (founded "to ensure that children are not constantly assaulted by sex, violence and profanity on television and in other media"), American Family Association, & Focus on the Family because I see the need to counter the prevailing culture. This will often (always?) put me on the opposite side of the discussion from Basmati (who has often been the instigator of sexually related topics). My comments are an effort to combat misinformation and an "anything goes" worldview (vs. the traditional Judeo-Christian worldview).

Thanks for the reminder to be responsible and discreet.

Small wonder that Darvo Denise thinks so highly of the "American Family Association". Like Darvo Denise, the AFA thought the Virginia Tech massacre as a wonderful opportunity to promote their hellish right-wing vision for America. The AFA did Darvo Denise one better: they managed to blame the massacre on, among other things, abortion and free speech.

The company you keep!

Basmati - you are suggesting that Denise is a perpetrator of wrong doing, specifically of a sexual nature (DARVO).

Come on man - that's more than a little over the top.

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I assure you that I in no way shape or form meant to imply that Darvo Denise was any sort of sexual predator. The fact that the unctuous unChristian's most loathesome character flaw (failing to take responsibility for her actions and blaming others instead) is shared by the unsavory likes of say, Paul Wolfowitz and sexual predators is strictly coincidental.

Thank you for the opportunity to set the record straight!

Call me predator.

Surely you can be more original than that.

"smarmy" - "unctuous" -- Consulting your thesaurus and using alliteration, too!

Your oleaginous explanation only reveals your mendacious, truculent nature.

Anakin Skywalker's "character flaw" is his seething anger that eventually consumes him as he submits to the dark side.

Egomaniacal Captain Ahab's "character flaw," one he shares with such legendary characters as Oedipus and Faust, is his tremendous overconfidence, or hubris. His obsession with killing Moby-Dick, the allegorical White Whale, is his fatal flaw. A common misconception is Captain Ahab's being the protagonist of the story; rather, he is the antagonist and is defeated by his nemesis, the whale that he views as the embodiment of evil.

"failing to take responsibility for her actions and blaming others instead" -- ?????

Are you often such a milksop?

Why don't you "set the record straight" & explain.

Any resemblance to the truth will be "strictly coincidental," no doubt!

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Hatred is blind, anger is foolhardy, and he who pours out vengeance risks having to drink a bitter draft.

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Basmati - you are suggesting that Denise is a perpetrator of wrong doing, specifically of a sexual nature (DARVO).

Come on man - that's more than a little over the top.

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You know, the tension breaking moments before furniture begins breaking while buttons are ripped and.... you know the rest. For once, I am enjoying the view from outside the circle of combat. And it's pretty entertaining.

Kevin "Hack" King

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Trying to associate the AFA with the Klan is definitely slander.

Sen. Byrd is the one that you're thinking of.

I can't verify if the video has been altered or if it's presented in its entirety. I've not received any inducement to buy this video from AFA, nor have I ever seen it before. I do know some of the people at AFA and believe that a lot of people here would like them if they met them.

Are you a NARAL NAG?

DARVO -- "a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior"

Bas, you're a sex offender?!?!

Here is your "creepy" recollection of you discussing sex with a 6th-grade girl.

Nice to see that you admire my originality and are using it to your advantage by linking to some less than amusing pictures.

Had better let you get back to MoveOn.org for more talking points.

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Won't you just look up one thing before you call someone wrong?
It is a serious problem!
If you don't think so, or don't want it discussed, it doesn't exist.
I'm through arguing with you on this.

I looked up USS Eisenhower, gulf, got 21,000 hits , don't have time too look that much, be more specific.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

You can also look up this one if you really are interested. I'm not your clerk!

you made the claim, if you can't back it up fine. I'm done with the whole thing, going now to slam that hand in the door again, lots less frustrating.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Was in the New York,several months ago, gee, that narrows it down. with all the {{{EDITED}}} you make up I will always question what you say. Give me something I can read. Look it up tell me where to read it not Lynch, the Navy story. you always make these statements but can never cite anything to prove it. I'm demanding better, give it to me, if you're right I'll admit it, just give me some proof I can see or reference.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Don't get kicked off!

I don't know if I ever told you. One of my nephews in in the Navy. He called me today from the ship. He is back in San Diego!

Tug

On the 15th of May, my daughter's middle school band is giving a concert at the amphitheatre here in Fayetteville, I invite all my friends here to attend and if you don't think this band is amazingly good I'll buy the drinks for all of you. I'll be the one cooking the burgers by the concession stand. Dollar this invitation is extended to you too. Ya'll come see your tax dollars at work, it'll be worth the effort.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I would love to attend the FMS concert. I know they're good, I heard them last year. That's nice of you to invite everyone. I think I have to babysit one of the little squeezers that evening.

What instrument does your daughter play? One of my grandsons plays the guitar. He's doing really well. He played part of Fortunate Son for me. He actually likes old music!

Thanks for the comment re. my nephew that's in the Navy. I'll give him your message. I believe he was at sea for about 4 months this time. He worked at Dwarf House before he joined the Navy. He's a recipient of one of Mr. T. Cathy's scholarships.

Tug

She plays the clarinet, and very well too, 14th in the all state band this year.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I know that you are very proud of her, and rightly so!

Thank you, I don't plan to. John makes it appear I said the s word but I didn't, I used a word that is also a popular dice game in Vegas. Tell your nephew he has my utmost gratitude and respect. With all due respects to the other services the Navy sends their people on deployments of 8-10 months every year so it's a hard way to make a living since they do this whether there is a war or not. I'll buy the beer when he comes to Fayette.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Now see the "popular dice game in Vegas" line is perfectly acceptable!

Nice one. I thought you were borrowing part of Frank's line on Everybody Loves Raymond that starts with the word Holy!

See it's really not that hard to stay clean. Leave the sailor talk elsewhere (sorry, couldn't resist that one, ugh ugh ugh ugh!!!)

Your demands are laughable. You sound like a deer caught in headlights looks, dimbfounded and scared!

Like always yo talk but never prove.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I can't say that this is what $ is referring to or not.

I googled, "pregnant, navy, "New York Times"

Hutch, Lynch testified under oath to Congress last week that her rifle was "jammed" when she was ambushed. Can't speak for the rest of the allegations.

It was announced near the time the incident happened that Lynch couldn't, or wouldn't fire. There were a couple of guys out there in the sand getting killed for her, but no one has said much about them. Hard to bring them back with film, and show off!
If we aren't going to be honest then no war is worth fighting!
When are we finally going to admit that Bush, Wolfowitz (two girfriend scandals in last 6 six years), Rumsfeld, Cheney, and "scared like rabbits" generals, screwed this thing up so as not to be fixable? Tenet has said it: it was decided long before we went into Iraq that we were going, everything (including the pentagon) was rigged and threatened to that end!
Impeachment would be justified but it is not worth it.