Forgot to post this from notes I made last week. Too busy watching clips from The View & 20/20 & Dateline.

I did look at the ABC News site (Politics Playlist) & saw some examples of bias. Here's some of what I saw (just a quick list).

Notice Diane Sawyer's reaction to Larry Elder at the end of the interview. Can't tell if she's really offended or not.

Notice how favorable Edwards on the Campaign Trail (04/12/2007) is when the supposed topic is extreme campaigning, not PR for Edwards.

"Running for office is more than just kissing babies; it's connecting with the common man," i.e., Edwards visiting a nursing home and helping out SEIU (Service Employers International Union) Healthcare workers (who say he's "doing fine"). Shown as warm & caring.

Contrast the POSITIVE coverage of Edwards with Guiliano who doesn’t know the price of milk.

04/09/2007 - Potential Presidential Hopeful in N. Korea - Richardson

04/05/2007 - Fundraising Numbers Raise the Stakes - Obama

04/05/2007 - 2008 Presidential Politics: Rudy Giuliani

"How is the former mayor of New York City doing among conservatives?"

(No questions about how are Dems doing among liberals -- The country needs to fear those wacko conservatives!)

Focuses on Giuliani & abortion – inconsistent statements (True, but where's the same treatment for the Dems?)

Personal life & social issues – a lot of "bluster"

04/04/2007 - Obama Boom (positive sounding)

04/04/2007 - Giuliani Puts Iowa in N.Y. State of Mind

Mentions Obama twice & other Dem candidates in first minute
G's "Brass, big-city style"
G's Pooper Scooper sound bite (Wonder why that one didn't make the cutting room floor?)
Only shown walking around, shaking hands & surrounded by the media

vs. Edwards shaving a man & pushing a woman in a wheelchair & talking with healthcare workers = just average next-door neighbor type

04/03/2007 - Mitt Romney's the Man of the Morning

Money & his religion ($ coming from Mormons)
His religion
His marriage vs. McCain & Guiliani’s divorces
Pressed for troop withdrawal time frame
Personal appearance helps to get votes (didn't mention Edwards) -- implication that he doesn't have much substance?
Why he’s raising so much $

How often are Dems asked the source of their $?

04/03/2007 - Republican Fundraising Numbers Are In

Diane Sawyer with Romney
No mention of Dems’ $
Joke about Romney marrying ALL of the soccer moms who think that he's good looking ("funny" reference to polygamy & Mormonism)
Romney's faith emphasized
$ from Mormons (religion scare tactic)

04/02/2007 - Campaign Money Trail: Who's in First?

"Fundraising totals appear to have Sen. Hillary Clinton in the lead."

Raising $ = Sign of strength
Barbra Streisand & rapper endorsements
Most extraordinary fund raiser
"Negative" -- $$$ does not mean that HC's assured of winning.

03/30/2007 - Obama and Friend Take Different Paths

"Barack Obama's close childhood friend has been homeless and in jail."
Problems of being black in America
Friend shown tearful when talking about Obama
Stresses how Obama’s helping him

03/30/2007 - Exclusive: The Giuliani's With Barbara Walters

Personal life – both on 3rd marriage (2003) & infidelity & RG
estranged from his children

(Compare with the favorable treatment the Edwards get, especially when Elizabeth's cancer reappeared. I am only mentioning this because of the amount of free coverage JE got & the financial boost it gave him. Can't quite see the same sympathy & coverage would be extended to Mrs. Bush or Mrs. Cheney. Also remember some favorable coverage of Obama & his wife. Best to keep silent on this subject with the Clintons!)

03/27/2007 - Elizabeth Edwards Hits the Road

Hugging people -- shown as warm & caring
Part Oprah & part revival –- "my angel," "my idol," "my everything"
"Like Lance Armstrong"
Crusade instead of a campaign –- she's "thriving," "energetic"

03/26/2007 - United Front of Optimism for Team Edwards

03/23/2007 - Edwards Campaign Continues

~ Edwards seems to be getting a lot of positive coverage from ABC during this time period. From my quick (vs. in-depth) analysis, there was nothing negative about him here.

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Almost all news stories on the Playlist in this time period were seemingly negative toward Bush (judging by the titles & a few that I watched).

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CNN et al. Liberal Left Comments
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Robert J. Barro, the Paul M. Warburg Professor of Economics at Harvard University, who discussed the project with the Standard, the professors “use a clever statistical technique to construct an objective measure of conservative or liberal bias in the news coverage of major U.S. television and radio stations, newspapers, magazines and the Internet.” Barro, who is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said the study illustrates “that the liberal inclination of the mainstream media is clear.”
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Dozens of Examples: Black Panther Calls Michelle Malkin a Prostitute – Where’s the outrage?
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Another CNN Example
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More Liberal Slant
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More CNN Bias
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CNN Vs. Fox Bias
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Even CNN recognizes reporter bias is a problem: HOWARD KURTZ, CNN'S "RELIABLE SOURCES": “Let me say first, Paula, that I agree bias is a problem in the news business. I think it's undermined the credibility of the media, and I think that a lot of journalists are in denial. Some of these points Bernie makes in his book.”
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Seems some of the bloggers are in denial too.
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My last word on the Imus case is this: Let's clean up hip-hop and rap now:
”N” word used over 100 times
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Click HERE for a crazy compendium of "unusual" captions...only on Fox!

It goes a long way towards explaining research that shows that people who watch Fox exclusively feel like they are the most informed, but are actually the most mis-informed people around.

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I don't think I have ever witnessed a TV news channel, and ALL of its announcers and producers, who have taken it upon themselves to deliberately scheme propaganda for a Washington administration and Corporations.
I only watch them anymore when CNN has on a re-run and they may have some news.
It wouldn't be so bad provided they EVER saw anything they liked that the Bush Administration didn't. If they have, I haven't seen or heard of it.
It is embarrassing sometimes---the snide remarks, the sour criticism, the total agreement among employees.
It is obvious they will work for money only and don't have any right to evaluate the news for themselves.

I think the tide is finally turning for Fox News. For ten years they've tried to have it both ways, insisting they are "Fair 'n Balanced" while functioning as the unofficial partisan Republican house organ.

I enjoyed watching them howl in outrage when all the major Democratic candidates declined to participate in a Fox-sponsored debate (remember the last time Fox sponsored one? Every candidate got "gotcha" questions except Dino Joe Lieberman, a Fox supporter).

I have been surprised, though, that Fox actually criticized two Republicans in the past two weeks: Newt Gingrich, who was criticizing Nancy Pelosi for meeting with foreign presidents (Didn't you do that as Speaker too? Yeah, but that was DIFFERENT!) and then when evil Senator Mitch McConnell criticized Dems for not giving President Bunnypants his war budget (Didn't you do that to Clinton on Bosnia? Yeah, but I was a new senator then! How does being a new senator make things different? I was a NEW SENATOR then! Oh, okay)
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Ratings
Friday, Apr 13
The Scoreboard: Thursday, April 12
25-54 demographic: (LS)

Total day: FNC: 289 | CNN: 201 | MSNBC: 159 | HLN: 124 | CNBC: 98

Prime: FNC: 490 | CNN: 332 | MSNBC: 310 | HLN: 167 | CNBC: 153
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5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

FNC Gibson: Hume: Shep: O'Reilly: H&C: Greta: O'Reilly:
327 370 367 560 488 421 428

CNN Blitzer: Dobbs: Blitzer: Zahn: King: Cooper: Cooper:
200 318 284 278 343 375 245

I recall seeing many of those banners as Fox is always on in our squadron. i couldn't believe my eyes with the Foley D-FL one or the "Libby not guilty" banner. Absolutely amazing.

Kevin "Hack" King

It seems that Imus has been offensive for a long time.

"How does a crusty, mean-spirited, Kerry-supporting fossil like Don Imus manage to stay on the air?"

See the Radio Equalizer for a little history.

Michelle Malkin has good insight into the wider cultural significance.

media "taste test" -- Interesting challenge

"you'll have a bit of difficulty" -- Ever read Bernie Goldberg's (who considers himself an old-fashioned liberal) book Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News?

It was #1 on the NYT Bestsellers List; so it does have some (or a lot) validity.

You can get it at the library.

Might be more worthwhile than watching any TV news

Also, what do you think of this video Flying Under the Radar?

Tornado pilots have quite a reputation for flying lower than your average pilot with self preservation instincts will. Awesome video. Thanks for sharing. And please, take the informal test next week as you watch CNN and MSNBC news banners. I want to know what you find first hand.

G'Day,

Kevin "Hack" King

Thought that video showed the pilots flying really low, but I don't know how close you can get before ....

I usually watch news clips on the computer so that I can catch some of the news but not have to sit through a whole program.

I read more than watch TV -- too many sound bites & obsession with stories like ANS.

Does this mean that I qualify as one of your friends?

Dig up some good dirt for me

Kevin "Hack" King

For proof positive go to their website. There are more features on the the dregs of Hollywood and other perverted or otherwise demented derelicts than any other news source out there. Plus they are indeed the only Republican mouthpiece of the TV news channels. Their slant is inarguable.

Now as for CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS etc., etc., they are indubitably the mouth piece for the Democrat side of the aisle.

Those facts are as indisputable as saying that Mother Theresa was a good person and Adolph Hitler was evil.

I read more than watch TV -- too many sound bites & obsession with stories like ANS.

Isn't the internet wonderful. Like you I don't have to watch Fox or CNN anymore. I can troll around reading and researching many different news sites enabling me to sort out the facts from the malarkey. Quite honestly I can say that the only time I ever watch CNN is when I'm forced to while eating a tasty burger at Backyard Burgers or when I'm stranded at Hartsfield Airport. Of course it helps when you don't have cable.... but that's a blessing in its self.

Denise...I see you figured out how to post links. Looks great!!! Flying Under The Radar was an awesome show. Makes me think of Hack. Flying out over rural Oklahoma at about 75' over the ground and seeing some Brush Okie lazily riding his tractor while turning last years wheat crop under and then.... With a wicked grin on his face.... and out of nowhere.... KAZOOMY.... buzzing the poor guy while causing him to mess his pants.

You know he's done that. You just know it.

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

We're limited to 500' in AETC. In combat aircraft we train down to 100', and that is plenty low. But these days, Air Force airplanes find the advantage at night under the cover of darkness with NVGs. It often felt like such an unfare advantage... just how we all liked it

Cheers,
Kevin "Hack" King

What's a NVG?

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

night vision glasses

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Sorry about the lingo. They are night vision goggles. Alot of our soldiers on the ground use them as well. They have evolved tremendously and also become incredibly expensive. But they are awesome. Forces fighting us that don't have NVG technology do not have a prayer in conventional fighting. That is why they hide amongst civilians; Our jets and fighting forces can basically be as visible or invisible as we choose. It's cool stuff. you get a good flavor for the newest toys we have from Future Weapons. That's one of my favorite tv programs. Google the Bangalore blade. Ooohhh mamma!

Kevin "Hack" King

They unfortunately can't see roadside bombs and suicide bombs. Invent something and your enemy comes up with a topper!

They haven't come up with an answer for us yet. That's why I would prefer we contain Iraq from about 3,000 to 10,000 feet above and at a speed of 250 knots minimum. And we should use our larger, slower planes to take every last US soldier, Marine, sailor, and Airman out of the civil unrest which our president refuses to acknowledge is a failure. Now. Back to cool weapons.

Kevin "Hack" King

I didn't know what service you were made a difference with facts!
Bombing is useless unless one occupies totally and converts. Like Japan, Like Germany. Would you reallt want to bomb or gun something if you knew there was to be no occupation?

Dollar, consider the outcome of the Bosnian war in 1999. NATO air forces mounted a sustained bombing campaign against Serbian forces, with extremely light NATO casualties, and the result being the Serbians eventually acceded to the UN demands. No occupation was necessary until after the war, and then it was a relatively minor peaceful occupation, nothing like what is going on now in Iraq.

So it definitely IS possible to bring a country to its knees with just air power. What makes the situation different in Iraq was the near total lack of planning of what to do after the fall of Bagdad. There is a long list of incredible blunders that I'm sure you are familiar with.

By the way, talking about awsome firepower, nobody has mentioned the AC-130 gunship. Talk about "reach out and touch someone"!! I had a chance to do a tour with them, but I passed it up for family reasons. That would have been a great assignment.

Our Air Force is certainly the best in the world, but they can't win wars from 40,000 feet or from 200 feet, alone.
To my knowledge there still is NO Yugoslavia yet.

But our capabilities in the AF are quite extensive. We have UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), fighter planes, attack planes, reconnaissance planes, transport, bombers, communication, etc. We have infrared and optical satellites. Being that Iraq has a government, we can support their troops on the ground from above. THEY OCCUPY THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and we serve as the Air Force they don't have (because we wiped it off of the map.) As they contact insurgents, they summon us, we kill them from above. It is not complicated. As movements of insurgents are seen across the borders with Iran or Syria, we ruin their days as well. But we stay out of Iraq's civil war. The beauty is this would cost a fraction of what we are blowing now, and we will not be seen globally as imperialists, but as supporters of a fledgling govt. I hope this isn't too military tech talk. I'm always willing to chat about this subject.

Goodnight,

Kevin "Hack" King

The technology is certainly there for us to aid from above. We control the air- they can occupy the ground.

It is their country after all.

But you can use the Fast Tactical Imagery (FTI) system if you send the pictures down to a CC .

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You Mean This Hack ?????

The Bangalore Blade I

The Bangalore Blade II

This would make an awesome tool for law enforcement in dealing with drug dealers and high speed chases. See Channel 11 for the latest Sky Chopper Video....

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

You can prepack them and carry a backpack full. I saw one rip a van open like a sardine can. It was a real van too. Not one of those mini jobs. Light, powerful, efficient. The perfect "boom" stick.

Kevin "Hack" King

If there is any justice in this world, it was your food that ole Jesse spit in. It is ignorant race baiting fools like you on both sides of the color line that perpetuate this problem between the races. I do service work, meet lots of people of all colors and all I worry about is are they nice people and are they going to pay me. now personally I think if you expended half the energy you spend on hating your fellow man,just because of his color, on something constructive, then Fayette would be a better place and the U.S. as well. Here's a secret you don't know, you and Al Sharpton are more alike then you think. I really hope you take offense at this blog as you offend all the decent folks on this site,

I yam what I yam...Popeye

you could offend me. Your life must evolve around the citizen.com.Come on I'm not as bad as you think. I just hate to see Fayette county go to He77 in a handbasket. Seen north Fayette,and the beloved Pavilon lately.

I think hutch has "evolved" quite well. Now we'll all just wait here for you to evolve as well.

Kevin "Hack" King

you're right about offending you, I can't quite get that far down in the gutter as you, as far as north fayette I'm in several hundred houses there a year, what's your point?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

First, I realize that all the things Imus said all these years on his CBS radio show, and then on MSNBC-TV, is somewhat different in its impact than for Snoop Dog, et al, to publish such trash for our youngsters to see and hear.
What I don't understand though is the near total avoidance of the latter, when blacks are questioned by the media!
It doesn't make what Imus did be a responsible thing, even if 10,000 hip-hop artists were spouting such trash, all at the same time.
I know the difference in the two: Imus attacked a whole group of athletes as being cheap; Hip-hoppers are talking about real people who possess the qualities they describe, and deserve to be called that.
It is a matter of opinion whether one is worse than the other.
They are both trying to make a living shocking people, and appealing to their worst traits.

I wasn't talking about ImusI was talking to and about take back fayette, our local Imus.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

That's telling 'em!

There's that "shovel nose" comment again. Please be a man and tells us all in no uncertain terms what "shovel nose" means. have some stones, why don't you. If you have something you want to share with us all, let it out.

Kevin "Hack" King

If I'm reading Google correctly, a "shovel nose" is a colloquial term for a black African catfish.

As slurs go, it's a tad more imaginative than the usual ones foisted upon us here by the race baiting contingent (norwester aka thebeaver, 30yearresident, enigma, et al). "Thug" was getting a bit worn out as a euphemism.

(et al means "and others", Denise)

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in those taudry rankings. he has convictions based on more than just skin tone or sexual orientation. But this Take Back clown is doing more harm than good to his cause.

Kevin "Hack" King

It's amazing that I have never been called a racist or a race baiter by anyone else. It sounds like defamation and liable to me. Maybe I should quote state law, demand an apology and then jump up and down and shout 'Ban' and then cry like a baby to Cal. Naw, what the heck, I’m a big boy; I'll get by with a little help from my friends.

Wow, I guess I have managed to fly below Radar all these years

I’m not sure how you go about defending a baseless charge like that other than to ignore it and let your life’s work speak for itself. This baseless charge is coming from she who has absolutely no credibility.

Gee, it’s a lot like someone who never lost anyone close to them in combat telling me, a veteran who has, that I “trivialize” the death of a soldier. Sheehan could only be Sheehan in America; banmani could only be banmani in America too I guess.

Anyway, I appreciate that you and I can disagree on occasion without race, socioeconomic or religious affiliation becoming a part of the problem.

It seems that some people on here only want to divide by any means possible, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, political views, race, whatever works to divide and persecute, judge and condemn. For banmani it’s: “Agree with me or be called a (Christianist, homophobe, racist, race baiter, right wing nut job, homophobe, etc.). And, “Cal he called me a name, insert misapplied state law, make him apologize, censor him, CENSOR hiiiiim!!!” Blah blah blah. Ugh.

How do you chat with him Hack?

I actually find that you and I agree much more than we disagree and that our differences are primarily due to where and how we were raised and our life experiences. You remind me of a couple of my other democratic friends – who think I have lost my mind by the way – you are compassionate to a fault – in my opinion of course. As I have said before, you are a good man.

As for Tug, what a peach she is.... some lucky guy gets to squeeze her everyday

By the way, I heard she's been around! Shhhhh! Don’t tell!

Our wedge issues seem to get inflated and exaggerated by both sides. You are a military man through and through. I can tell by the "squeezing Tug" references. She is a peach. It is hard to disagree with Tug on anything, simply out of feelings of genuine respect and admiration. But I've always been a sucker for beautiful and well spoken women. I'd have to argue with Michele Malkin through one way glass. Cheers mate,

Kevin "Hack" King

Wouldn't it be great if we had a reset button like video games and the F-117 do? And we reset the posts to here, or even a bit earlier before we all began trying to rip one anothers' throats out via our prostates? Well, I'm hitting a personal reset button. Basmati, we are at a deeply personal level that has rendered constructive discussion impossible. I urge a cease fire. Pop smoke and indicate your friendly position. At the bottom of my post which sparked the fires of hades, I wrote, "Remember, we are all on the same team." I am asking you to take the initiative and cage the personal attacks. Please, for the sake of constructive debate. We risk ruining a fantastic resource that the Citizen has given us. Mixer and Enigma have holstered their weapons that were aimed at me, and I am grateful. bas, please offer a handshake to our neighbors, and see if we might deescalate.
Hutch: Thank you for staying neutral as tempers flared around you. I appreciate your restraint.

All: I apologize for giving the impression that I felt the warrior spirit on these blogs was a one-way street. As I stitch my wounds of late, I realize that it runs rampant here in the Citizen.

Mixer: You are a good man (a reiteration) to offer me my man card back (you are offering it back, right?) Thanks for the apology.

Enigma: Have you ever seen situations where a couple of aggressive, hot-headed guys get into a friendly tussle that ends up going a bit too far (broken furniture, bones, and/or bruises?) We were headed that way in the blog sense. I'm standing down. Thanks for your gestures to do the same.

Last comment: When I blog to one person saying x and y are funny guys, or brave guys, or witty guys, it does not mean every one else is not. You are just able to listen in on a two way conversation. If Bas and I were on opposite political spectrums, I'm sure I'd have been banned by now. But we aren't. Personally, I'm willing to bet the whole lot of us would make a dang effective unit if we were serving together. We'd just have to leave politics out of it. I beg you guys to let emotions cool a bit and return with a fresh perspective on how discussions between Americans should take place. I hope we can all be the bigger man in this.

Cheers my brothers,

Kevin "Hack" King

Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode, let's see who will be king/queen of the castle and master of their domain by not launching a personal attack.

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I just have to apologize to Basmati. Since I already apologized to Hack and enigma seems to think he is me

Basmati- I'm sorry about the personal comments and taunts - we are just a bunch of rabid politicos! Let's start over.

My reset button is now....hang on- there....pushed!

rabid politicos we are!

In the spirit of these times I apologize for all the snark I have thrown in your direction.

Consider my reset button pushed.

This should be interesting.

The smilies are a nice reminder!

BTW, "misinformation" does not mean uninformed or intentionally misleading.

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Also, I did not "lie"; I was misquoted (unintentionally, I'm sure).

Link to original post, Muddled message

My post, Basmati's Record

I can't find one of your recent responses now, but I seem to remember that you added the additional information that your wife was present much later to your original statement.

Your using that particular example to justify eliminating abstinence education seemed, well, "creepy" (to use your words about Mark).

I know a Fayette Co. abstinence instructor, and she does not deal in misinformation or lies, outright or otherwise.

I welcome future discussions that keep on topic and present accurate facts.

This will be a good thing!

Count me in. We have got to find a way to be able to discuss these issues and still keep our testosterone in check. I appreciate you stepping up and taking a leadership role in this. Hack, I accept you proposal and agree to elevate the civility of our discourse.

I for one would feel 100 times better if I could see ArmyMajor and MAV apologize and start fresh. I can certainly recall more than few times I was ready to bite the head off of a team member in tent city - I was wrong then and I am wrong now.

Mixer, I don't know you...or do I? There truly are not many CCs around here and if you are one- I would love to share a cigar like we talked about. I like your politics and I like your wit. Please, accept Hack’s proposal and agree to elevate the civility of our discourse.

Hack, I respect you as a man and a fellow father, vet, and blogger. You are a worthy opponent and have a good heart. I think our real rift began when we both came to the aid of another – maybe it’s in our training? Regardless, I am sure if we have not met we will and I look forward to it.

MAV , you and I could not be further apart in our political perspective – at least on the topics we have debated/discussed/destroyed but I see you believe in God. I bet you want to be safe, have a good place to raise your family and want America to thrive. You and I simply do not agree on how to achieve that – but we want the same things. I apologize for the insults and I would TRULY like to see you and the ArmyMajorRetired get along. I really think if you and he don’t insult each other- neither of you will breech that slippery slope with another blogger. Please, accept Hack’s proposal and agree to elevate the civility of our discourse.

ArmyMajorRetired, I don’t know you – but we appear to be on the same basic side politically. I must ask you as I have MAV (Basmati), please stop insulting each other so that we can raise the level of discourse to a more civil level. No one is hiding and no one is afraid and no one should be banned. Many of us, including Hack and Jeff came to your aid. I know that you and basmati could not be further apart. I also know that you both have something intelligent to contribute. Please, accept Hack’s proposal and agree to elevate the civility of our discourse.

You fell for my trap! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!

Just kidding. I, in a very strange but manly way, seek you guys out on a daily basis to see what was responded to while I was off line. You can credit the Conservative Denise for changing my ways. I don't know how Mr. Carter did it, except to say he must have more experience at this. I'll also note that Terry Garlock has been a gentleman start to finish with me. He has impressed me. I hope we can keep this ship afloat (Hutch, we'll need your help).
And Tug can be our compass.

Cheers Brother,

Kevin "Hack" King

You said Tug Rules, now I'm a compass! What's with this?

At least you didn't say I have to tow the ship.

(It will be my honor to be the compass)

Tug

Yes, years and years and years. And without putting anybody here down at all, when it comes to pure, vicious, inflammatory, character assassination; y’all are a bunch of amateurs. Which I appreciate.

Thanks for stepping up Basmati. I appreciate it tremendously!!

G'Day mate,

Kevin "Hack" King

AMEN!

Love ya guys!

Tug

I have to be at least semi-neutral as I don't think as or type as fast as you guys.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

You're a good guy. I bet I type slower than you!

Tug

I leave town for a few days and preparing to arrive back to the Citizen I find everyone of you in the back seat making out with each other. Friend and foe. How weird is this? I feel like I've arrived in the "Twilight Zone".

I've gotta have a drink..... wait... I don't even drink.

???????????????

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you! If we lose.... They will follow.

I wrote, "In a manly way," before climbing in that back seat. So, umm, that makes it umm legit.

Kevin "Hack" King

You trying to explain away "In a manly way" and "climbing in the back seat" is..... Well let's just say..... not to becoming of an air warrior. Especially with the crowd being referred to. LOL!

Why do I have a feeling this "Cease Fire Love Fest" will last about as long as a Palestinian / Israeli peace accord?
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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you! If we lose.... They will follow.

It is up to all involved to quickly call out violators. Self enforcement.

Kevin "Hack" King

Need to draft a doc, get a general consensus and post as a blog for future reference.

My biggest concern is that if we get too mushy Cal will lose ad revenues.

I confess that occasionally I may need to be gently nudged into behaving myself. But I refuse to be civil when the subject at hand is about those THOSE FREAKING CHILD PREDATORS AND THE JUDGES AND DA'S THAT GO EASY ON THEM. Oh... sorry about that. Not sure I can control that one. I'm sure Tug will excuse my behavior on that subject.

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you! If we lose.... They will follow.

Your behavior never bothers me Git. You make me laugh 'til I cry sometimes.

Don't get kicked off though!

Tug

I wouldn't argue with Michelle Malkin at all. Heck, I wouldn't even know what she was saying

I have a Navy reunion on september in Tulsa, if you're in the area join me for a beer with a bunch of the greatest guys of all ages you'll ever meet. Even though you're an Air Force puke, they'll welcome you.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Give me a one month out call. I'll be there.

kevin.king@vance.af.mil

Kevin "Hack" King

You and Git are not going to let me forget the "I've been around" comment. I think I was listening to hutch's music site when I posted that. So, it's hutch's fault.
(it should have been "I get around") LOL

I'm a big fan of all kinds of old music. If you like music, check out this site, it's great.

The squeezes I get now, are from my children, grandchildren, family, neighborhood children, and friends. I lost the love of my life almost five years ago.

Take care my friend. Have a great day!
Tug

I'm sorry for your loss Tug. On the other hand, I am glad you are surrounded by a loving family! What a great thing it is to watch your legacy grow and prosper!

So basically the 'lucky guy' that hugs you has short arms and smells funny after he has been playing outside too long - those are some of the best hugs ever

Have a GREAT weekend!

Enigma

Well, I generally trust your judgment, Hack. But I'd point out that Enigma is the one who chimes in with the "reverse racism" talking points when people bring up racism, as if "the other side does it toooooo" is a valid defense and two wrongs make a right. Case in point: Enigma's claim that Black Entertainment TV is "racist and divisive", presumably because it doesn't carry enough programming for white folks. *rolling eyes*

I suppose I could be wrong here, and Enigma should be considered profoundly ignorant as opposed to a true race-baiter. I guess I assume the worst about people who trivialize combat deaths by equating them to car accident deaths.
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banmani’s beloved Europeans, an Army banmani can get behind

banmani – is this the type of censoring you wanted for ArmyMajor?

banmani, is this talking about you and your beloved Al Sharpton, et al.? (that means and others banmani)

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Why you can’t believe banmani

I tend to forgive and forget past comments after about a week. If people held me to account for my torid history on these boards, no one would speak to me. By the way, even though it's a clever jab at Armymajrretired, your ban roll-on gif is hillarious!

Kevin "Hack" King

No one has used more derogatory personal attacks than banmani has - and "it takes one to know one". Ask the rice queen, banmani, the queen of censorship if you aren't sure what a racist slur is. She does after all, claim to be the authority on all things related to gender, sexuality and race.

She even says that "As slurs go, it's a tad more imaginative than the usual ones foisted upon us here by the race baiting contingent (norwester aka thebeaver, 30yearresident, enigma, et al). "Thug" was getting a bit worn out as a euphemism.

(et al means "and others", Denise)"

Let's see, that's 5 personal attacks in two sentences. Gee, that's good even for banmani!

I have NEVER read any "race baiting" comments by you. I thought you were going to ignore "nameless." I still do.

As for the thug comment, my Daddy used to say "a thug is a thug, doesn't matter what color."

Take care
Tug (hopefully not an et al)

I don't know what this means.
Hutch is right, this same person has made disparaging remarks before. Please ignore them.

If it's something that offends you, consider the source.

Love to you, and your family!
Tug

I though you knew. Shovel nose is a term used to describe people with flat wide noses. There nose looks like it got hit by a shovel. Usually a characteristic seen in blacks.That is all.

You slur someone's appearance, features that he's born with, and it's OK?

How childish & indicative of your hate. Can you not express a criticism without attacking something that a person can't change?

Drawing attention to Jackson's behavior is much more beneficial.

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Out! Out! You demons of stupidity!

I should have thought two or three times before ever calling you a winch and meaning "wench." It put me in the "Take back Fayette" ranks, and I should have known better. Thanks for not writing me off. God Bless!

Kevin "Hack" King

We should all think 2 or 3 times, or a lot more, before mindless name-calling, especially about a person's superficial features because such fatuous, callous barbs can produce a lot more than superficial wounds in those less "thick-skinned."

I'm glad that you can take good-natured banter. I'd never write you off; I like to cut & paste too much!

I think that even Basmati's temperament is improving, little by little.

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this is why I'll always have your back, you're a class act my man.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Why are you attempting to deal with this uneducated inbred slime?

With any luck their type will die off before your kids and mine get to be our age.

With any luck, we'll get to help a few along the way.

I consider it our civic duty.

I'll never look a Jesse again without having the term "shovel nose" stuck in mind. I can assure you I will never dine with dude.

Now how about a creative handle for Imus. Is that guy ugly or what. Both inside and out. Me thinks Dragnet and Imus are one in the same.

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

You are most likely the most loved poster in these parts. And for good reason. let's just say, you center me (and many others, I imagine)

Kevin "Hack" King

Wow, you brought tears to my eyes. What a wonderful thing to hear from one of my heroes. I pray that I can "live up to it."

Thank you.

God Bless You, Kevin "Hack" King

Tug

Many times over. Now let's see how much room I have to grow .

Of course we could have used your calming nature here in Oklahoma last night. Our Gym, Hard Knocks, sponsored an MMA (mixed martial arts) tournament in Enid, Ok Friday. There were as many fights out of the ring as in it. I think I'm just as perty today as I was yesterday, though (but that ain't saying much).

Kevin "Hack" King

I don't like what Imus said, but I didn't hear it because I don't listen to Imus. I also don't listen to the hiphop and rappers that call all women much worse than that and make their living doing it. If we are going to have free speech ... lets have it. If not, you have to shut it all down. About the only thing that is politically correct to disrespect these days is Christianity.
Let there be free speech that our Constitution supposedly protects and then let people decide who they will turn off.
If Chris Rock had said what Imus said, there would not even be a discussion. If Rock has free speech then Imus should as well.

Imus is as offensive as Sharpton. Sharpton as offensive as Jackson. Jackson as offensive as... well nobody's as bad as Jackson.

My point was not to suppress free speech but rather hold everyone to the same standards. Right now free speech is graded on the curve. The Al Sharptons and Jessie Jacksons can say whatever the heck they choose with no accountability and somehow they are viewed as revered leaders. Imus or Coulter does the same and the mob mentality is "off with their heads".

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