I am not sure what you were reading? My daughter has been active in politics for years. She has worked on numerous campaigns including National Campaigns. Her uncle is the Mayor of a city in the top ten largest cities in Georgia.
I am sorry you have trouble finding the good side in people. Do you teach your children the glass is half empty?

Cass Poolman

Ms.Poolman, My glass is always overflowing and that is what I teach my kids.I did not see in your first post that your daughter was that active in politics I apologize for misreading that.I have been in this town and running business for 25 years and have never seen it this bad at the mayoral level.It is time for a change,we know what Steve Brown brings to the table(confusion and chaos).Jim

NUK

to carry you to Vote last Tuesday week ain't that right!

Cass Poolman

Whatever the hell that means:)

NUK

Low, idontknow.

Putting down anyone showing pride in their children is low. Whether you agree with them or not.

What blog are you reading? Putting down pride in their children? Whoa....hang on a sec.

You certainly infer a lot of things I'm not implying.

Steve Brown is, above all else, a politician. A showman, with a mastery of the written word and a knack for making everyone feel good. We've watched it for the past four years - he smiles for the camera, he shakes every hand.

And, in the end, who suffers? Well, not everybody, by the accounts here.

But as the politician listens to the people and modifies his opinion, critical issues still loom.

Can you, my online friend (still, and above all, I will support the right for you to say what you will as long as it's substantiated in some basis of fact), tell me in the next two years, what is the projected millage rate for Peachtree City from the ten-year financial model for Peachtree City created by the staff hired by Peachtree City? What will the tax rate increase be?

Can you tell me if it's "right" to openly criticize, to the point of questioning his professional sanity, the opinion of a paid expert in a public forum - the same expert you pay day in and day out to make decisions regarding the land development of this town, simply because his opinion is different than yours?

Is it "right" to take your position of influence and, via a "technicality", champion a cause that is up for a voter referendum, thereby placing yourself into a ethical quandry of Ted Kennedy-ian proportions?

Is it "right" to take a PORTION of a document with an overall analysis that says land the City is building on is safe for building and create a firestorm of controversy, slamming numerous former City staffers and politicians for "not doing their job" when they most certainly did? And to do so on the television news without even the acknowledgement of notifying the City Council?

I don't hate Steve Brown - he has incredible passion. Unfortunately, he believes the rules are designed for him to bend. These are the missteps down the staircase of a virtual dictatorship. Whatever you say about homeowner association rules of order, the City government of Peachtree City is run by a five-member Council. The mayor is head cheerleader, not head coach.

Let's get a team player, a listener, someone who will have an opinion but truly be open to others. Honestly, I've listened to the incumbent, and he is bound and determined to make his point, whatever anyone else is saying.

Thanks so much for your comments, PTC Guy. You can say what you will. Go back to your stormwater concerns, which will be handled through either a utility or a bond issue. The $9.1 million you quote, if that's really what HAS to be fixed, will get fixed if a trained goat is in office. The DAPC loans will be paid off or not paid off. The point of the matter is, in my opinion (and if anyone else would like to chime in, please do), that Steve Brown is not a consensus builder, which is the most important factor in a successful politician.

Kissing hands and shaking babies isn't what the real world is about.

The children issue is based on the blog post being referenced. It seems to imply that whether meant or not.

It is your right to dislike, not vote for and to form your own opinions about Brown. I always support that.

It was not right for Brown to do some of the things he has done. Nor is it right for Logsdon to refuse to let voters know how he stands on key issues.

You don't have a hint of a clue of evidence Logsdon will be a team player. You are hoping he will be.

You don't have a hint of a clue where he actually stands on many issues.

As far as the Stormwater issues goes, you keep talking like it is a temporary thing that once done goes away. It will never go away.

And that is why a Utility is needed.

And yes, it has to be fixed. Plus more than the 9.1. Get use to it.

Yes, being a consensus builder is important. But you don't have a clue of evidence Logsdon can do that.

Has his silence built consensus or division before the election? Division.

Stew on that fact awhile. Because it is true.

Which ever way it goes I will be glad when the election is over. But I do not look forward to what lies after, regardless of who wins.

There is going to be trouble either way.

Here's something to consider on your stormwater issues, and yes, they always will be there as long as there is water. There is already an agency that maintains pipes and structures, works with contractors to make sure items are built to standards and maintained, and work to test and treat discharge from affected areas. It's called WASA. Maybe they could do it, thus reducing duplications of effort and bureaucracy? And it could all be done privately (Sandy Springs is running their entire government through an independent contractor). A separate utility may be the logical answer to you, but it's not the only one. That all said, let the utility come!

Division among the few is a matter of opinion and a constant fact of life. Consensus cannot be compared to division as equals - they are parts of the same pendulum, but at varied degrees.

I know what I've already got. I don't like it. Let's try something else. Remember, if we really don't like it and it's truly wrong, you can always recall. And PLEASE tell me that that's rarely done, so I can reference both California (voter recall) and Alpharetta (council censure and removal from office) as examples.

There's trouble every day in life - it's about risk management. Sometimes we take the risks of things we don't know for the potential benefits.

You and I, while both strong in our opinions, are both right and wrong. It all depends on who agrees with whom about what. Nebulous, ain't it?

On a quick search I see a few things labeled WASA.

Which WASA are you talking about in specific?

The quasi-governmental agency set up to manage sewer and water issues in Peachtree City. Formed in the mid 1980s, its major role today is to run the sanitary sewer system.

They don't have a website, but their offices are on Hwy 74 by the Baseball Soccer Complex.

See also GEORGIA UTILITIES, WHINING AND CRYING ABOUT SALE OF

That ain't stormwater.

There are some very big differences.

Bet ya' lika my gramma here.

Does this mean that during a storm, that runoff does NOT flow through the sewer system?????

Yes.

There are three water related system: potable water, sewage and storm.

From source to destination potable and sewage run through pipe systems only.

Stormwater runs via ditches, pipes, retention and detention ponds linked together into systems.

Final destination is absorption into the ground or entering the natural water system, which is natural, lakes, stream, creeks and rivers.

It is very bad when stormwater enters the sewage system. That results in raw sewage flooding out into human habitat areas.

In my disgusting pursuit of knowledge, I have learned there are TWO different "sewer" systems - sanitary (for what you flush) and storm (for what comes from rain). And yes, some stormwater flows into the sanitary system - in fact too much really screws the sanitary system up (there was an article about that recently).

They flow into two different systems and are handled differently from a treatment perspective. In the end, they all end up in the same downstream flows (I'm sure PTC Guy will tell me I'm wrong).

But they both follow gravity and have, in my opinion, similar conceptual processes that can be reflected in a process already being performed. I think WASA could be expanded, but that's not where the City is going.

Stormwater is not sewage. Nor is it treated before entering natural streams unless it is coming from contaminated areas.

That can be a lot more expensive and can entail skimmers, settling pits, direct chemical additions to wetlands, chemical separators, and so on.

It is a completely different approach and mind set in how executed.

Sewage digs the trench and buries the pipes. Stormwater has to follow surface features and so on and blend with nature to create surface system.

Waste water and sewage run together. Waste comes usually from industrial and commercial usage.

Agree some stormwater gets into faulty sewage lines. But it was never meant to.

And no. Sewage expertise and equipment will not handle stormwater issues. Stormwater is more complex. It includes man-made ditches, ponds, marshes and so on that sewage does it best to stay out of completely.

I'll defer to your Ph.D. - point was there are alternatives.

But, as you say, "no, there aren't". OK. You win.

Is 2 plus 2 always 4? If you say yes, you're wrong.

The only real alternative is in how it is funded.

But even there the Utility is the best was to go. Proven track record.

Or course 2 + 2 does not always equal 4.

But here it does.

But are there similarities? Yes. Can they use the same equipment to clean? Yes. Can they use the same contractors to build structures? Yes. Can they analyze discharge into other water sources? Yes.

So, while not identical, definitely related. In fact, a lot of the organizational structure of the utility can be reflected in the current WASA organization.

Can we not expand WASA to meet this need?

To reflect on another topic, can a PC technician fix a Mac with the tools he has? Probably so, but he'll have to learn a little bit more.

No. They are not similar. Would you want your drinking water and sewage running in open ditches or held in retention or detention ponds?

Do you want to encourage wild life and plants to make homes in and around such water?

Potable water, sewage and waste and stormwater are worked separately for very good reasons.

Each is best dealt with by people trained and dedicated to those systems. Each has unique challenges that being specialized in is smart.

Ok, how did we get from "love of kids" to "stormwater?" Seems that last week the big Brown issue was the non-debate debate. This week his talking point must be "stormwater." Next week his talking point will be how the "developers" have taken over and Mayor (elect) Logsden will sell out and we'll be overrun by porn, gambling, sex shops, drug dealers, and return to the "evil dark dank days of old."

Did get a bit off topic, didn't it?

Blame idontknow. He went astray topic wise.

Gotta have at least three opinions to be a "gold medal blogger" here

JOKE! Everyone's opinion is, well, important, I guess.

Don't steal my campaign signs! No one visits my website! Dazed and confused!
--paraphrased excuses from "our mayor" as to why he didn't get more votes on Election Day

Logsdon shares something with you idontknow. His answer to all real questions seems to be, "I don't know!"

http://ehs.uky.edu/ep/sewer.html

One drain is about like another, right? The sewer is the sewer, right? Anything poured down a drain goes to a wastewater treatment plant, right? WRONG! It's important to understand the difference between sanitary sewers and storm sewers so we can prevent unnecessary environmental damage and help the University comply with its wastewater permits.

The sanitary sewer is a system of underground pipes that carries sewage from bathrooms, sinks, kitchens, and other plumbing components to the wastewater treatment plant. Wastewater from UK leaves the campus through one of ten discharge points that connect to the city sewer system and are monitored by the local sanitary sewer authority.

The storm sewer is a system designed to carry rainfall runoff and other drainage but not sewage. The runoff is carried in underground pipes or open ditches and discharges (untreated) into streams or other surface water bodies. The inlets to this system may be found in curbs and low-lying outdoor areas. Some older buildings have basement floor drains that connect to the storm sewer system

Never said rain water was sewage. Again, infer and imply. You are right on the aggregate, but I have a position as well.

Semantics AGAIN! I can see why so many people think so differently; we use the same words but all speak a different language.

Hmmm. You just said:

Never said rain water was sewage.

But earlier you said:

In my disgusting pursuit of knowledge, I have learned there are TWO different "sewer" systems - sanitary (for what you flush) and storm (for what comes from rain).

Sure looks like you did.

Gee, ptcguy, I bet even "good ole boy developer educated special interests" take pride in their children. I guess it's just too bad Logsdon is the Child napper from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang who will do away with all youth sports, and in fact, all children in PTC. Yep. Harold hates kids. God loves Steve. No real point in even having the run-off.

Don't drag anyones kids in negatively. Let parents have their pride in them.

Does not matter who the parents are.

As far as God goes, I never take him lightly. Neither should you.

Even Caesar belongs to God. And God is in all events, even if he choses to just watch.

God even loves you.

You sure are full of yourself tonight, PTC Guy. Let's get philosophical (and hey, I'm going to contradict myself regarding politics and religion!).

"God is in all events, even if he choses to just watch." Again, I can't stress enough the omnipotent majesty that is spellcheck. But regardless of typographical errors, would this mean God is in sickness, in war, in disease, and even in death? For God is in all things, right? And God is in politics too, I'm sure. God's also quite the businessman - I mean just LOOK at what business his Son did for the moneychangers! Perhaps the point there is everything has its place. And while God can "watch" over all He wants, in the end it comes down to free will. Funny, we get back to a moral argument, the same kinda thing Logsdon's using to justify paying back the DAPC loan. Wow - God's on both sides - DUCK!

OK, we can jump on that bus for years, so I'll quit on that while I'm behind. Remember mercy above all things, but I'm sure that's not Old Testament enough for some.

Do you believe socialism and communism are good things? You'll notice I have no additional opinion to state here - let's start with the question.

And while I'm at it (off topic) - did anyone attend the pesticide workshop last night? Wondering how it went and if there were any political sparks there. Why isn't THIS one a hot button issue?

I just don't play games when it comes to God. But no, I am not into Restorationism, Covenant Theology, Theonomy, Dominionism or any of that thinking.

If you want to discuss that I can give you a good Christian discussion and debate board link.