Enough is enough! We need time tables in the Middle East!

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I believe that events on the ground in the Middle East show clearly that we can not expect activity on the part of the indigenous ones if we don't set dates certain for them. They will simply talk, release statements, and delay, all while the load is born by the coalition.
It is now the time WE SET A DATE CERTAIN! Be it 1 day or 1 week. Iran must know without the shadow of doubt, that if they do not release the 15 British troops to either the Red Cross, the UN, or the British government, they can expect a 100% chance of metal precipitation. This is not war mongoring. This is standing up to idiotic aggression and kidnapping of military forces in an active and ongoing conflict. I never wished to see the Iraq conflict expand (those that know me are aware I never wanted the Iraq adventure in the first place), but Iran has challenged the security of our coalition forces, and our men and women must know that there are no limits to what we will do to secure or force their safe return, and to deter future aggression. Most of us would not walk into the lion's cage at the zoo, because we know that we'll probably end up as lunch. Well, Persian policy-makers should be on the menu, and dinner time should be well publicized!

Cheers,

Hack

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Submitted by Gump on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 2:44pm.

I commented earlier that I thought the current president of Iran was involved in the 1979 hostage crisis. Here is the support, from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
(I'm pasting in an exerpt from his bio at that website):
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Ahmadinejad was politically active as a student during the 1979 Iran hostage crisis, and represented the University of Science and Technology in the Students Movement at the Central Committee for the “Office of Growth of Unity of the Students” where the plan for the embassy takeover was presented. [16] Reportedly, he first opposed the take-over .[17] [18] or supported a larger plan that included the simultaneous take-over of the Soviet Union embassy [19] until the Ayatollah Khomeni gave his approval of the US embassy take-over.[20] Several former hostages and the former President of Iran have identified Ahmadinejad as one of the key individuals holding Americans inside the embassy. [21] In a secret report specifically investigating this issue, the CIA declared this identification "Not proven". [22] [23]---------------------------------------------------------

If you compare the 1979 hostage crisis with the current situation with the British hostages, and consider that President Ahmadinejad was one of the students involved in that earlier event, it becomes clear, at least to me, what his intentions are. I think he is planning a repeat of 1979. Those hostages were held 444 days, humiliated, and forced to make statements against the United States. You see the exact same scenario unfolding today. Even as I write this, the Iranian students are holding demonstrations outside the British embassy in Tehran. The only question is whether we and the Brits will grovel like we did in 1979.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 3:07pm.

We will solve this thing for the Brits with their help. If not then we simply go in and get them as we attempted the first time.
However, you can not compare the taking of military prisoners in the water, in boats, armed, with taking over a whole US embassy. Embassies are pre-approved as American soil until revoked with notice.
If all of OUR oil was passing through a narrow gulf and was our very life-blood, wouldn't you be ticked at armed boats everywhere in the path? That is what it is about.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 4:24pm.

the Brits were there to prevent smugglers from Iran to Iraq, in Iraqi waters when they were taken, no matter how you see it it was wrong and the same thing as when they hit the embassy.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Gump on Sat, 03/31/2007 - 7:25pm.

Hack, I couldn't agree more. If we hadn't squandered our military in the foolish adventure in Iraq, we could be girding our loins for the real enemy--Iran. They are trying to do the same thing with the Brit sailors that they did with the American embassy personnel at the end of the Carter presidency. It worked so well for them back then, and if I remember correctly, their current president was one of the students involved with holding Americans hostage back then. So he thinks he can make the Brits squirm just like we did in 1979.

What we should have done back then is give 2-3 weeks for diplomacy to have a chance to succeed, then when it became obvious that the Iranians were not responding to diplomacy, we should have commenced bombing them. That probably would have meant the death of the hostages, but that would have been better than the national humiliation that we actually endured.

I'm puzzled by Dollar's assertion that we are somehow the bullies in this affair. Good description of how a bully acts, but then Dollar asserts "This is NOT what Iran is doing!" Well I beg to differ. This is exactly what Iran is doing. What alternate universe are you in to assert that the Brits have been taunting the mullahs in the boats for sometime. There is no factual basis for that assertion.

My last military deployment was to the war in Afghanistan. Actually, I pulled strings to get on one of the first groups that went. My daughter was in DC on 9/11. She wasn't harmed in the attack, but I felt that I had some personal payback to do. I'm proud to say that I (we) succeeded in that regard. On the other hand, I was against the war in Iraq, so I retired rather than serve in that war. Now, our military might is weakened to the point of exhaustion, and the real enemy is seeking to capitalize on that weakness.

The lesson to be learned here is that war should always be the last option, and only in defense of our nation. Saddam was a mass murderer and a ruthless dictator, but he posed no serious threat to the United States. We should have left well enough alone. Now, we are facing a serious threat, but we don't have the resources to easily defeat Iran. I hope we learn from this lesson, but history seems to say we won't.

Dollar, it was fanatics who flew those airliners on 9/11. The same sort of Islamic fanatics that now run Iran. They are a real threat to us, unlike the BS that Bush pumped about WMDs. The only language that they understand is the aluminum overcast we can create for them. We should now start getting ready to do that. It's only a matter of time before it becomes necessary.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 4:40am.

If Afghanistan war was "successful" why is the herion crop even bigger? Why is all of the country run by the Taliban, except one city? Winning one battle doesn't win the war. We have "captured" Fallujah several times now.
This is Bush's fault, not the soldiers.

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Submitted by Gump on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 7:35am.

Fallujah is in Iraq.

We DID win the war in Afghanistan, decisively. The current problems in Afghanistan are the result of our forces being diverted to the adventure in Iraq, and the resulting neglect of Afghanistan.

The heroin crop is not the reason we invaded Afghanistan. The war was not about heroin, it was about responding to 9/11.

Dollar, you should slow down and mull things over before you post. That would save you the embarrassment of some of your posts. I currently teach high school, and you sound like a sophomore I teach who pipes up a little too often, even when he doesn't really have anything to say.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 8:06am.

A city, maybe. As long as we sit there with guns drawn. You didn't even scratch the mountains where they are.
I know Fallajah is in Iraq, you aren't following, it was just another example of so called "winning."
We won hundreds, no thouisands, of battles in Viet Nam also, but did we win the war? You answer. Battles only count to soldiers in that particular one.
You sound like Marine boot camp talk.
Narrow minded and nolong term perspective.

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Submitted by Gump on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 9:06am.

If I sound like Marine boot camp talk to you, then you are an even bigger idiot than I thought. "Narrow minded and nolong term perspective"?? I just got through discussing the correlation between the current hostage situation and the one in 1979.

Now buzz off.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 04/01/2007 - 11:17am.

More boot camp talk. "buzz off?"
However you are incapable of discussion, so I'll go.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 03/31/2007 - 9:00pm.

Thanks for the contribution. I hope the aluminum overcast is in the cloud seeding phase.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/31/2007 - 7:57am.

When I was a kid I recall a few bullies who would do various things to get a fight with a kid they thought they could whip if he wouldn't cooperate.
A chip on the shoulder comes to mind--daring the kid to knock it off. A line drawn on the ground and dared not to cross it. Verbal taunts of cowardness might also work.
This is NOT what Iran is doing!
It is the Gulf of Tonkin affair again. The Brits have been taunting the mullahs army in the boats for sometime.
These characters are not part of the regular Iranian army, the are conscripts of the mullahs who do things the regular army isn't allowed to do. Something like our CIA. Or our Halliburton friends.
Remember, the President of Iran must get permission of the top Grand Mullah for doing anything nearly.
It might be wise to get the British captives back before we bomb.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 03/31/2007 - 8:16am.

Your statement is the same kind of bs that we heard from the Arab countries right after 9-11, that it was our fault those twits crashed the planes into the twin towers. The Brits don't taunt anyone, just ask Argentina about the Falkland Islands. Here's a suggestion for you, why don't you and Jesse Jackson go parley with Iran over the Brits release, at the very least you'll make a good human shield when the bombs drop.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 03/31/2007 - 9:52am.

I know you meant it tongue and cheek, but if Iran would capitulate to Jesse as Saddam did, I'm all for it. But I would definetely tell Jesse not to spend too much time on the ground, and to stay away from military facilities which might have short life spans. And for Dollar, if you, as a nation, allow agents of your government to act autonomously, you had best be prepared to take an accounting for their actions. Remember, Dollar, Iran knows the UN's phone number. If Brits were "taunting" them, they had civilized means of seeking redress. This is not the route they took. It is my hope that we ensure, in hindsight, that they wish they had sought diplomacy.

Kevin "Hack" King


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