Specialist soldier, Pat Tillman. who was killed in the present war, then promoted to corporal, was a former football player who gave up a large football salary to fight in the war.
He was killed by blunders of his own group while patrolling.
This sort of thing happens in war, sometimes. The mistakes should be corrected and the guilty, if any, punished, in order to avoid it happening often.
The real sad part is that many, many army people, including several senior officers, quickly knew what happened but elected to tell his parents, and us, he was killed by the enemy, and in effect covered up the truth.
Now, first why would so many officers do such a thing? Are our officers trained to make the best of a bad situation so as to fool an already sceptical public at home? Why?
Several enlisted men have already been disciplined or discharged for poor performance--not from covering up, but for killing Tillman accidently.
The whole affair was weird from the git go when Tillman turned down money to fight. He was under the impression, I think, that he would be out in six months and could go ahead and play football again, at much larger salaries, plus books, plus John Wayne movies, maybe. It would only be natural these days to think that. It doesn't take away his courage to join and suffer six months,however.
I am concerned about such officers as Abu Ghraib, Tillman fiasco, and the score of generals who have come and gone in this war with no discernable acceptable results. Yet, all but one (Shinseki) have been awarded promotions and medals and recorded in history as successes and role models.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 6:29pm.

dollar you do Tillman and his family a disservice with your comments about him being out in six months and making more money and movies, you have no idea what was in his mind and it is presumptuous of you to say what you think he thought. The man was a patriot and there is no reason for you to besmirch his name.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 6:47pm.

See my reply to trentrivers, please. You don't understand.

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Submitted by trentrivers on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 8:07pm.

American Indians have the largest percentages of any ethnic group in the military. You may want to read about it.

Historically, Native Americans have the highest record of military service per capita when compared to other ethnic groups. Today, there are nearly 190,000 American Indians and Alaska Natives military veterans, according to DoD statistics. Citing that statistic, Hill noted that Native Americans today represent 1 percent of the Navy's total strength, which equals about 4,700 men and women serving on active duty and in the Reserves.

Thank you

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 7:58pm.

I did read it, my post stands

I yam what I yam...Popeye

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 03/24/2007 - 9:02pm.

How about we let Pat Tillman rest in peace. He is one of the most incredible men to ever grace this planet. Why speculate on his motives for going to war in Afghanistan against the forces of Al Qaeida in defense of this country? Please do not go there. But please do focus on those who lied about his death, and those who

1. Tasked American soldiers and agents with torturing other human beings at Abu Ghraib.

2. Allowed a few low ranking soldiers to shoulder almost all of the blame.

3. Allowed a female General who was not in charge of the CIA operators in Abu Ghraib to take all of the commissioned culpability.

4. And, finally, on Donald Rumsfeld who showed absolutely no initiative or leadership in failing to provide guidance on the treatment of these detainees.

But PLEASE, leave Pat Tillman out of this. We can't speak for the departed. We should never try to.

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by trentrivers on Sun, 03/25/2007 - 7:14pm.

Spirits at rest can only be awakened by those who cared for them while in their earthly skin. Others can only bring grief to those who knew them. Let Patrick Tillman rest dollaradayandfound.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 03/25/2007 - 7:23pm.

Spirits? What are you talking about?
The army put the grief into the family by lieing to them, not me.
Covering up sad situations doesn't help posterity.

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Submitted by trentrivers on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 4:11pm.

In my "treepee" as you call it we do not have your preachers. My explaination of what you are trying to do with Pat Tillman would not help you.

You have used racist remarks against me and my people and illed the spirtit of a dead warrior since I have seen you here.

I do no longer wish to converse with you.

Thank you.

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Submitted by DragNet on Thu, 03/29/2007 - 10:59pm.

Your language is amusing, you're really into this alter ego stuff...just like me. I miss Transilvania!

Making you think twice......

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:42pm.

I find your writing style a fascinating and welcomed addition to the posts. I hope you contribute often. new perspectives always serve to paint a more complete picture.


Kevin "Hack" King

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 03/26/2007 - 6:14pm.

What do you mean by "preachers?" If I start talking about killing spirits and dead warriors in public, I'm afraid I'll wind up in a mental hospital, involuntarily.
I have not tried to "do" anything with Pat Tillman! It is common knowledge that special pictures were taken for distribution of him, and that he was awarded a silver star, a very high award, for combat with a non-existant enemy. The army obviously hoped to use anything he did to campaign for more young recruits who are impressed by "gung ho" shennanigins. They even intend to revise the silver star write-up to remove the part about the enemy. His family will keep the silver star since removing that would put the army in a worse light. I'm now seeing some of the consequences of those selected for West Point appointment that were caught cheating on exams years ago, along with other unprincipled acts.
This whole war has been one big farce ever since the "insurgents" tripped up whatever plan they had for Iraq. We either had no intelligence before this war, or the administration ignored what they got.
Now, I hope you understand that I'm wanting the crooks who fabricated this thing punished, not Pat Tillman----he is dead, unfortunately.

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