Financing law with tickets

I don't know how much of this is actually going on.
What I do know is that there are hundreds of young people in this county who have either had their lives ruined at 15-16, or are in the process of doing so by tickets and citations by officers.
From reading the citations, I think about 75% of them could have been warnings with a copy to their parents after verifying the parents address.
A mind of that age almost always changes dramatically at about 20-22 years of age and they regret almost allo of that silly stuff, like scaring people, speeding, having a tail light out, drinking a beer, past curfue, etc.
It also causes the kids to have a lack of respect for the usually young cops who condescend to them. They will never have much respect for them again.
Repeated offenses however of three or more, need to go to court.
Think about how you want your teenager treated.

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 2:57pm.

Fayette County is the safest and best county in Georgia, thanks to the Fayette County Sheriffs Department, Fayetteville Police Department, Peachtree City Police Department, Tyrone Police Department and the Fayette County Marshalls Office. It is all these Deputies and Officers that are out daily on the roads and streets, in our neighborhoods and shopping malls dealing with the general public (the likes of you) and keeping our community safe from the likes of those you are always talking about elsewhere in Georgia.

Without all these agencies working together and enforcing the laws it could be like some of the other places you refer to all so often. (Which sometimes is where I wish you lived?) I for one commend all the Deputies and Officers of Fayette County, THANK YOU ALL. And keep giving out those tickets, only the deserving ones get them. You know it might be a good way to save lives in the future.

I believe you are one of the problems out of the sixties and seventies, one of the love children that did drugs, dodged the draft and hated the establishment.

You reference, and I quote:
“It also causes the kids to have a lack of respect for the usually young cops who condescend to them. They will never have much respect for them again.”

Sounds like you dollaradayandfound, and others like you have failed at children 101.
I believe its call a lack of teaching RESPECT and COURTESY to others and COUNTRY to begin with. Children are an image of their environment, or the lack of (Parents like You).

I have children that volunteered to serve our country, and given their lives to keep our freedom so people like you can trash and bash the freedoms you so well abuse.

Basics dollaradayandfound,
You get out what you put in.
What goes around comes around. (Sooner or later)
Every action has a reaction, be it negative or positive.
Guilty by association


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 3:19pm.

But not the other 20%. I read your comment as to you having lost a son in a war. I'm very sad for you.
I don't recall trashing and bashing freedoms.
Also, I have already written on here that I am a Veteran of the Korean War, we had three kids who are all university graduates and professionals, and who have never had a criminal ticket, and were never beaten as children.
You do seem paranoid!

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:59pm.

dollar you astound me!

I jdon't even know where to begin.

1) teens aren't harmed by getting tickets and being held accountable for their actions(niether are adults, by the way)........it's getting the tickets that is the only thing keeping them alive. Especially if they have careless irresponsible parents.

Do you want your kid to get a ticket, and accept the consequences for their bad behavour, or do you want them dead?????? Well, which is it?????

If you care about your kids you will discipline them. You discipline them to keep them safe. For example:
1) if kids are taught early on the reckless driving and DUI kill, both themselves and other people, maybe, just maybe they will live longer.

2) if kids are taught early on that breaking and entering in most states will get you killed by a homeowner defending themselves(and the law is on their side) maybe, just maybe they will live longer.

3) if they are taught that playing with guns, especially when they are drinking kills.....maybe, just maybe they will live longer.

If a cop had busted up that drug party last summer, maybe, just maybe that kid would be alive........but the parents and there is no question here.......parents ...like you dollar would have been screaming like a raped ape.....God forbid....the cops are "picking on our angel wangel pies" give me a break ......you and parents like you make me sick!!!!!
You and parents like you are careless, worthless idiots! Parents that are careless, are a waste of clean air in my opinion.

Teens should feel picked on when they are doing something wrong. That is how they learn right from wrong, and stay alive.

You are sort of right about one thing....the cops shouldn't have the burden of teaching these lessons.........the parents...if they are good parents(not friends) PARENTS should be teaching their spawn these lessons.

Too many people are having kids as a sort of reflex ...instead of having kids because they want them and love them .....they are doing it because they think they should. Next thing you know they realize these spawns (angel wangels) are a burden and cost alot of money....and they really never wanted them to begin with apparently..........or they would take care of them.

bad_ptc told us of how he has set up his home, (at what sounds like great expense) it sounds like he doesn't want his kids to get killed doing knucklehead things. I'm sure there are plenty of times when he thought it would be easier to not take responsiblity.....but he did anyway because he loves his kids.....he loves them so much he sets up boundaries and then enforces them.

It takes a lot of work dollar .....are you up to the challenge of being a responsible parent? Are you???? Or are you like most parents in PTC???

Do think the cops hand out tickets because it's fun??? No, it's not fun for them to take a lot of verbal abuse for saving someones life.
The cops are the ones who have to clean up the mess of other peoples mistakes.......like the drug party......like every DUI wreck....like every speeding, driving the wrong direction wreck!!!

Do you think it is pleasant to clean up blood and body parts that have been thrown in every direction??? Do think it is fun for a cop to have to walk a half mile to pick up someone decapitated head because of a DUI????? DO YOU!!!!!!!! No it's not.

Thats why they give out tickets and have DUI check points.

Snap out of it!!!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:08am.

You need to know that I have raised four children who are all college gradutes, professionals, and have never been beaten, but their Momma did use the rubber end of a fly swatter occasionally during the terrible 2-3s. Against diapers it scared more than hurt.
Now, who is talking about breaking and entering, guns, drunken driving, 75 in a 25 zone, maiming, or any of that?
I personally know a few kids who are now in serious trouble due to the quantity of citations for things that could have been handled another way. Example: three kids playing army in the woods by building a bridge across a creek, hanging a climb rope in a tree, and shooting paint balls. Guess what, instead of encouraging them, a neighbor called the cops who issued a citation for disturbing the peace, paint ball, and messing up the woods. My Lord, I would have been sentenced to life at that age if the cops came running every time I did something like this! Next, he got a 47 MPH ticket in a 35 MPH zone on GA 85. Who doesn't? This got him 2 years probation due to the first count. Next, he went with a friend to a place behind their home where they could shoot into a bank to practice with a .22 rifle. Again the cops were called and they arrested all of them. Lord knows what now. Jail, I suppose. These are good kids, but no difference is made. The fines have been $3000 so far, which is the reason for the lack of judgement, in my opinion.
Guidance and punishment were required but not what was issued. The woman who drowned five kids got less! The woman who shot her preacher husband in the back with a shotgun will get less. O.J. got less. Money is the reason!
Lets take the time to save our kids, not fill the jails.
Everyone is not a gangster from Clayton who was by the way raised by gangsters and can't really help it, they need two years in the army at 17.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:43pm.

I forgot to respond to your charge of being vicious.........if thinking that the laws should be enforced and that people should be held accountable for what they do.......WHATEVER!!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 03/18/2007 - 5:33am.

Oh, you said the WHATEVER! I'm scared.
I'll bet you chew tobacco or dip snuff? If you do, did you know there is a law on the books about spitting in public? Enforce it, I say.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/18/2007 - 5:44pm.

Is that the best you have got????
You are more entertaining than Desperate Housewives! Keep it coming.

ps: Yes spitting is illegal. Especially if you spit on someone, the cops call it "simple assault", and you can get charged with it.
Some of the ummm.... "angels" in my neighborhood could explain it to you. Also if you, as a liberal, pansey, milktoast, bedwetter, parent try to defend your "angels" by taking a swing at a cop.......you are displaying what cops everywhere refer to as a "negative attitiude" and they don't care for it. You can get charged for that too. FYI!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 03/18/2007 - 8:48am.

don't be afraid of words dollar, words are our friends.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 9:47am.

gee dollar, sounds like that kid doesn't learn very well, he got the punishment but it sounds like it didn't make any difference and I would think that the guidance would be up to his parents. Shooting rifles in a residential area is just plain wrong, sounds like a relative of yours, maybe a grandkid. Maybe if this kid stopped to think he could stay out of trouble.


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:37am.

I'm glad to see that our cops and the laws are working.

It sounds like these kids got exactly what they deserved. There are consequences for bad behavour, sometimes those consequences are more painful than others. If those kids had responsible parents, and had been taught early on about boundaries, rules, laws and consequences, none of that would have happened.

Kids playing with a 22 rifle.......you honestly think thats ok????

You are not an adult, you are teen delinquent.

The only time any kid should be handling a gun is in a gun class under the supervision of a qualified instructor!!!!

Your lack of understanding between right and wrong, makes me think you are a teen with mild retardation.....or what used to be labeled as trainable mental handicap...or TMH. It means you could be trained to bag groceries, or do light janitorial work.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 2:52pm.

It sounds like these kids got exactly what they deserved...

The only time any kid should be handling a gun is in a gun class under the supervision of a qualified instructor!!!!...

You must be one of those pansy, cry-baby bed-wetters who is intimidated by the very sight of a gun. You'd probably leave someone's house if you found out they had a hidden loaded pistol or would ban your kids from playing "shooter" games. You sicken me! I would rather have a kid who could handle a firearm than a weak, spineless one who is fearful of guns and the people that own them. If only you could spread your ignorance around, maybe the government will bans all firearms and we won't have anymore crime; it certainly worked in the UK. You're an idiot!


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:36pm.

I am against retarded kids and their "parents" using guns irresponsibly......that's true.

I personally have several guns in my home for personal protection, and I would encourage every responsible adult to do the same(not crazy fools like dollar, but everyone else)

I'm not against guns, just worthless irresponsible kids using them carelessly in a neighborhood. Those kind of people give responsible gun owners a bad name.

I think most parents are not capable of teaching their kids gun safety. It should be left to a professional to teach the kids gun safety.....if people wanted to be good parents and let their kids shoot guns we have many good options available. One being the 4-H club here, and from what I understand those kids have won some top awards in gun competition.

You can attack me for many things but trying to ban guns isn't one of them. Get a grip, you are starting to sound like dollar when she's off her meds!!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 10:06am.

I killed squirrels and rabbits when I was nine. I was taught early how to handle a low powered gun. Everyone must be 14 to you, including you.
17-18-19 year old soldiers are dying EVERY DAY nearly in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And who said anything about "in a residential area" of course you don't shoot between houses or in the street.
I am not a teen. See my explanation of that with my note to skyspy.
The "law" is NOT working. Kids are being ruined for SOME kids really bad behaviour. We always drop and atomic bomb to kill a mouse!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 10:15am.

I'm sorry, what does Iraq have to do with this subject? Were you with these kids when they were shooting BEHIND their house, if there is a house there it is a residential area, and I'm pretty sure you can join the military at 17, but they won't send you to a war zone till you're 18.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:05pm.

AMEN!


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:13pm.

Ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

I don't know if I can shock dollar into being a good parent.
The story about the decapitated head is true......I know one cop this happened to. He had nighmares for a long time because someone was careless and irresponsible.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:32pm.

Like I told my daughters boyfriend; Just remember, when you try it, I'll be standing there.

If you can get past me, go for it.

Please remember, the odds are against you because I'm the meanest SOB in the valley.

Let nothing but fear and common sense get between us.


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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:08pm.

"Young people" aka "teenagers" don't have their lives ruined by some traffic citations or misdemeanors that are flushed from their records when they reach adulthood unless they are complete losers raised by complete loser parents. OMG! I got a speeding ticket for SPEEDING! Oh yeah, I got probation for drinking at 16 after "curfue!" My life is over! WAAAAAHHHHHH!

NUK


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 7:00pm.

for someones failure to raise their children.

It's my job to raise my children not everyone else's.

Those that can do, those that can't suffer the consequence's.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 7:33pm.

Bad, who suffers the consequences? I'll tell you who: the kids who were raised by these overwhelmed by the world and ignorant parents, that's who!
Does that make you feel good?
Those kind of parents don't suffer from these kids having records to start life, they of course blame the kids too!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 7:36pm.

not the symptom.

It costs me enough to raise my own kids correctly. (spelling excluded)


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:25pm.

The dog is back.....thank you, thank you

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:43pm.

that you agreed with the shaved cat that my previous avatar looked like a failed abortion.


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:01pm.

I couldn't tell what it was, that's why I asked you that one time. This guy is cute, keep him.
Also I used you as an example(a good one) in my reply to dollar. I hope thats ok.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:16pm.

Just be careful, sometimes I go why out in left field head'en for the fence.

Use at your own risk.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 1:26pm.

Not failed abortion! It was a pile of afterbirth.

The dog looks good Bad Dude!!!! Just keep him off my lawn. Eye-wink


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 9:20pm.

It's up above I used you as an example of a good parent.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 6:35pm.

As a kid who had to pay for his own car and car insurance in high school and never getting a hand-out from my parents, I agree that there should be some mercy shown. As an adult, embittered against most of the traffic enforcement policies, I agree that some mercy needs to be shown. There needs to be a paradigm shift in the way we govern our roads away from revenue generation to safety. But then I guess we couldn't spend $600,000 trying to figure out if we're making ethical business deals.


Submitted by The Lawman on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 3:53pm.

As a veteran police officer, I think it is important for you to realize that warnings are basically useless. The only way to reduce any type of crime (and yes, speeding IS a CRIME) is to help people undertand the certainty of punishment for committing a criminal act.

Parents and the police can tell kids about the dangers of speeding, smoking, drugs, drinking, and sex all we want but the harsh reality is that many of them are going to try these things at least once. If they get a ticket for speeding, or get charged with minor in possession of alcohol they will be much less likely to do it again.

I got my fair share of tickets as a kid and I understood why I got each and every one of them.

Most of us do not condescend to your kids when we pull them over. Our job is to enforce the law and educate people. We do care about what kids and our citizens think of us but we don't let it get in the way of doing what we are paid to do. You can't make everyone happy.

I have received phone calls from a lot of parents who have thanked me for stopping their kids and writing them a ticket. It makes them think about it.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 5:05pm.

Someone like you was needed at Duke University to check on the Frat Houses and Sororities for alcohol and sex parties. These are kids just out of high school and they do as they please, plus, they call you pigs, hazard county mounties, Barney Fiffes, and uniform and gun crazies, all of which is NOT true for 80% of the police force.
The kicker here is though, many of those students got that way by the way they were treated by some police while in high school.
They absolutely feel picked on. We have a lot of overwhelmed and ignorant parents. Are we not to help them when we can by advice, and trust? Tickets just get them into serious trouble and they hold it against everyone. It doesn't change the way they were raised.

Submitted by The Lawman on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 6:07am.

...and that is why your kids are going to be idiots. It's the police's fault that the kids drink and have sex parties in College? Because they feel picked on?

Give me a break! I know exactly who you are! I don't know your name, what you look like, or where you live, but I have dealt with you before. You are the parent who believes that I get paid to raise your little brats. You believe that it takes a village to raise a child. And you are the type of parent who is most likely to get a phone call in the middle of the night that your child is dead because he/she was doing something stupid.

Wake up, get a grip on reality, and teach your children some responsibility. Be a part of the solution instead of adding to the problem and the entire world will be better off. Your kids don't drink in college because I gave them a ticket when they were 16. They drink in college because you didn't teach them any better and our society has made him/her believe that it is a right of passage.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:20am.

I told skyspy about my family.
Tell us about yours, please. Or do you have one? Don't lie.

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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 8:17pm.

:Someone like you was needed at Duke University to check on the
:Frat Houses and Sororities for alcohol and sex parties.

You mean there are college campuses where alcohol is consumed and sex occurs? This is truly shocking!

Forget the college days which were pretty fun.....I want to go back to high school! Have you seen all those HOT female teachers who are having "inappropriate relationships" with their male students? It's like every week another ho-teacher gets busted. Where were these teachers when I was in high school?! That's where all the action is these days, not some bogus scandal at Duke.

NUK


Submitted by thebiggun on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 6:08pm.

Hutch 866 you and I agree that this guy is a complete nut case. He stays on this blog all day and night writing dribble that only a shallow minded person like himself could enjoy. He is the perfect PTC parent with bad kids. The teachers are wrong for giving their kids C's rather then A's, even when they did no work at all. The police and wrong for writing them tickets or arresting them for shoplifting, DUI etc. Everyone know that kids in PTC are untouchable. Just ask police officers that work there that have to deal with good old mom and dad. Everyone is wrong that says the word NO to either child or parent. Gee the apple does not fall to far from the tree.

Dollaradayandfound you need to get off the booze. Or you need to go check into a hospital that can deal with the major mental problem you seem to have. I really feel sorry for your family and neighbors as you are a true nut. I would feel sorry for your friends if you had any.

Advise: GET A LIFE

Submitted by thebiggun on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 6:00pm.

Hutch 866 you and I agree that this guy is a complete nut case. He stays on this blog all day and night writing dribble that only a shallow minded person like himself could enjoy. He is the perfect PTC parent with bad kids. The teachers are wrong for giving their kids C's rather then A's, even when they did no work at all. The police and wrong for writing them tickets or arresting them for shoplifting, DUI etc. Everyone know that kids in PTC are untouchable. Just ask police officers that work there that have to deal with good old mom and dad. Everyone is wrong that says the word NO to either child or parent. Gee the apple does not fall to far from the tree.

Dollaradayandfound you need to get off the booze. Or you need to go check into a hospital that can deal with the major mental problem you seem to have. I really feel sorry for your family and neighbors as you are a true nut. I would feel sorry for your friends if you had any.

Advise: GET A LIFE

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:14am.

Just get a bigger gun! You will feel better. You have to be one of those 20% of cops who live for uniforms, guns, and sirens, and tickets, and stopping cars!

Submitted by thebiggun on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 10:42am.

You are wrong again as you are all the time. I am not a cop but know plenty of them and they live to get a chance to jack up a parent like you with a mouth and ideas that make kids the way they are today. You have no conception of the dangers of life and what happens when grown ups like you allow behavior that is anti-social and dangerous. I believe you spent plenty of time in your life on the back side of the 8 ball. The one thing I do know is that you are a complete nut.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 5:23pm.

Let me see if I have this right, it's the police's fault that these kids are that way? If they get a ticket for speeding or running the stop sign,or passing the bus thats loading kids and they feel picked on, they should feel picked on. If they're having sex parties and drinking that's not the cops fault, it's the permissive parents and nuts like you that cause that kind of behavior.


Submitted by 1bighammer on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 3:06pm.

they regret almost allo of that silly stuff, like scaring people, speeding, having a tail light out, drinking a beer, past curfue, etc.

There are laws on the books and the teens need to learn to abide by them. The notion by parents, that kids are just being kids and shouldn't have to face the consequences of their actions, is why we have the problems out of our society that we have.

We've got a whole generation now that don't know how to accept responsibility for their actions and think they shouldn't be held accountable.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/16/2007 - 3:01pm.

so when they are caught doing 75 in a 25 speed zone the cops should slap the wrist firmly and plead ever so nicely: please obey our laws or we'll have to take away your hamburger money. That will surely teach them a lesson. Kids know the laws, they have to pass a test to get that license and they know the penalty's. I got a ticket back in October for speeding, paid the fine. and so should the kids.


Submitted by exresident on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 8:04pm.

Driving down the road in PTC had a cop turn his lights on behind me, thought he was pulling me over, but instead passed me thought he was responding to an emergency, little futher down the road saw the same car and cop at the convience store looking through the drinks as I also stopped there to buy some snacks. Now if I'm not mistaken being thirsty is not an emergency so he should never had his lights turned on like he was pulling me over or responding to an emergency. Resident of PTC for 18 yrs before moving.

Submitted by PTCitizen on Sat, 03/17/2007 - 11:06pm.

Either your making this up completely, or the officer was called off of a call that he was responding to and then decided to stop at the convenience store. Obviously he did not blue light you to go get a drink - no cop is that stupid. They know they could land in a position of severe civil and criminal liability if such misconduct led to an accident or other incident. Best case scenario, they'd probably get fired for doing something like that.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 03/18/2007 - 5:37am.

I have also seen cops turn on the sirens to go get coffee! Also, firemen. Some repeatedly cut you off to immediately make a right turn with no sirens or lights. (just yesterday). SOME, not many.
Speed limits mean nothing to most of them. I know, they are in a hurry to get somewhere there might be a crime happening! Most cops however are straight.

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