Why Troop Surge in Iraq is Destined to Fail:

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If "success" in Iraq is measured by the end of sectarian violence and a stable, central Iraqi government, the introduction of 20,000 plus additional US combat troops into Baghdad has virtually no chance of achieving success. Many surge supporters and Iraqi occupation proponents reference WWII, Vietnam, and even Korea as examples of military perseverence obtaining national goals. Many are trying to re fight Vietnam, and "win" this time. But there are stark contrasts to where we have been in the past, and where we are today, that make military perseverence an ineffective tool in solving the current Iraqi problem.

In WWII, the US, Britain, and Russia focused military might on German and Italian forces and infrastructure in Europe. This broke the will of the Italian and German people, and forced the conspicous leaders, Hitler and Mussolini, to capitulate.

In Japan, massive incidniary bombing of Japanese industry and population centers brought Emperor Hirohito to his knees. These were distinct countries with conspicuos leaders and populations to attack.

In Vietnam, President Nixon authorized Linebacker II, a massive bombing campaign which brought the North Vietnamese govt to the bargaining table.

In Iraq there is no Mussolini, Hitler, or Hirohito. There are no Berlins, Tokyos, Hanois, or Hiroshimas. There is no industry or economy specifically fueling and sustaining a singular enemy.

If we destroy sunni and shiite industries and populations, we will have just destroyed what our troops are fighting to save. We are in the middle of a civil war, and only the will of its participants will stop it. In the mean time we are training targets for insurgents, resident sunni and shiite militia, and anyone else who has a reason, real or perceived, to hate Americans.

So, as Britain, Norway, Denmark, Japan, Italy, and Germany pack up to scale down their presence in the Iraqi civil war, our leadership tells us this is a "good thing." A sign of progress. And then we are told to support troops by placing 20 thousand more of them into civil unrest.

We are lacking the straight-talking, inspirational leadership of a Churchill or FDR. Our leadership is deaf to the will of the people. If leadership ignores poles and the national will, citizens have no choice but to vote for people who will listen the subsequent election cycle. In the mean time our soldiers patrol the streets of civil warfare with an undefined, open-ended committment. And the US population helplessly watches while the deciders decide to ignore us, history, special commissions, and reality on the ground. How many more years of deaths and 0 progress must pass before we decide to let Iraq determine it's own future? And how many of OUR Representatives will we have to vote out so that WE are represented?

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by bladderq on Tue, 02/27/2007 - 7:17pm.

Well, after having "Something better to..." than 'Nam, the War finally came home. I am glad they didn't git him so his gradchild has some sorta a Grandpa, but I do hope he saw the carnage finally. I am sure that much like the cofins @ Dover and the rat motel @ W.Reed, he saw anything. La-de-da / la-de-da...tomorrow is another day. Maybe Scrub will finally git to see some real action.

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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 02/27/2007 - 2:19pm.

Hack, I agree with you that a paltry 20,000 troops is the political equivalent of a band aid on a brain tumor. Like others have said, it's basically a political solution to a military problem.

The silver lining in this dark cloud, in my opinion, is that General Petraeus will be the new on-the-ground commanding general (the title used to be called "CINC Centcom", but President Wartime Deserter's insecurity prompted an order than no one but the Dauphin himself could use "CINC" any longer).

I think Petraeus is an inspired choice for a number of reasons. I realize that President Shortattentionspan picked Petraeus because Petraeus was virtually the only General who said that this ill-advised surge might work. Petraeus though has an exemplary record in Iraq, he led the 101st Airborne masterfully in his first tour of duty there and got rave reviews from both the conservative and liberal press. He appears to be one of a vanishing breed: a General officer who understands counter-insurgency and remembers the hard lessons of guerrilla warfare taught in Southeast Asia decades ago. I am convinced that if anyone can pull President Lameduck's fat out of the fire it will be Petraeus....conversely, if Petraeus can't do the job, President Bunnypants' goose is cooked.

Petraeus is replacing George Casey, who is being kicked upstairs to Army Chief of Staff for having the temerity to state for the record that he didn't think this surge business was gonna work. It will be good to have a realist as Army COS. Casey is replacing General Shoomaker, who is retiring again (he was brought out of retirement, you'll recall, to serve as Army COS). Shoomaker was a disappointment...I had high hopes from him but he seemed to go out of his way to avoid any appearance of conflict with his boss, the incompetent Donald Rumsfeld, and I think that hampered his (Shoomaker's) effectiveness. It seems to me that Shoomaker spent his entire tour of duty apologizing for Rumsfeld.

I'm very worried about President Weaknstupid's decision to replace the Arabic speaking ground commanding general Abaizaid (sp?) with a Navy admiral. I cannot think of a reason for this sort of maneuver unless the ultimate plan for President Chimpy McFlightsuit is to use Navy resources to further his adventurism in Iran while the Army is locked into a bone-grinding war of attrition in Iraq.

I sincerely hope it doesn't come to this. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I have no wish to see a "perpetual war".

-Bas

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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Upson Sinclair, 1906


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/27/2007 - 9:18pm.

At times it seemed like you and I were in a strange Starsky and Hutch episode where we were fighting back to back, surrounded by Army, Rightonthe money, Oldschool, and a host of other pugilists. Slowly, and unfortunately, the reality that is the lives of our in theater and in hospital troops has shed the light of truth on our current direction. After five years of equating supporting the troops with keeping them in endless combat, I believe people have started listening to themselves, and they've realized what nonsense that is.
I honestly have no idea what fuels this president. I don't know why he ignored each Chief on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and went with the one guy who said, "Surge? Ummmm, suuurreee. It could possibly work." I don't know what happened to "stand up as they stand down." The one liner catch phrases have seemed so trite to me; well beneath a President. No one hates us for our freedom. They hate our presence in the Middle East, right or wrong. The fact that our President doesn't understand this enemy is tragic. By the way, how do the terms (President Chimpy McFlightsuit) roll off of your brain? My wit has been numbed as of late.
Here is a God's honest truth: I wish the Republican party and this President had off the scale popularity right now, because that would mean they were making sound decisions that clearly worked for the good of our nation and her citizens. I wish we had the old Clinton international appeal, or the JFK inspiration, or the FDR call to unity. But we don't. True, this presidency will forever be stained by the blood and "inaccurate" predictions/misleadings of Iraq, but I truly wish this administration had put as much effort in preserving the post 9/11 national unity as they put into selling Iraq and winning in '04.

Cheers to you, Bas
Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 02/27/2007 - 4:17pm.

I don't agree with your opinion of the new Commanding ground General. He has already said he can't do the job in Iraq after only two weeks.
I'm beginning to wonder how many more will take such a job to get another star!
We have a serious problem with our armed forces especially in the leadership category.
Of the 130,000 in Iraq, only about 40% of them are combatants. Even with Halliburton doing all the copoking and cleaning, etc., they still have huge staffs to run such an army as we have.
See if there are't a few Colonels somewhere who could rebuild what we need. The Navy guy you mentioned as the Commander of the Southern Command now is perfectly qualified to oversee army and air force personnel. He did it in the whole pacific theater. At that rank they all go to the same war colleges and leadership schools.

Submitted by people4u on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 6:53pm.

It is very difficult to understand where we will be 6 months, a year, 5 years, 10 years from now in Iraq. Obviously, the lack off leadership from the Commander in Chief all the way to both political parties continues to be the problem. Dems are trying to pass legislation to undermine the President; Reps have no fresh ideas. At this point, how can we be worse off we any candidate just to have a fresh start and a fresh face in the Oval Office!

My father served in the Army for 22 years, proudly retired after serving in Vietnam, Korea and being part of the occupation forces in Germany at the ripe age of 18. I served in the Air Force myself for four years, and was raised to support and respect our superiors regardless of what our beliefs were. But the war in Iraq is one issue that I’m at a loss, the sectarian violence and divisiveness is so entrenched that the mightiest military force in the world cannot do anything about it.

What could be so wrong about gradually bringing our troops back home? I honestly don’t see how we will salvage this one; the Iraqi people need to sort this one out; not us, not the Brits, nor anyone else for that matter. Our borders are porous in this country; intelligence data speculates about Middle Eastern terrorists entering through Mexico, why not station our troops there to complement the border patrol? Wouldn’t you hate to be in the position that the Brits are in now where they suspect having upwards of 2000 home grown terrorists plotting against England?

AF-10 and Army Maj, hack, thanks for serving our country and for always “keeping it real” in your posts.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/27/2007 - 12:35am.

That we can find unity after this very rough patch in the road. God bless you and your family for your collective service, and please continue to contribute here, where we are free to float ideas!

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 2:36pm.

This is a fight unlike any other we have engaged in. When it comes down to it, it is a holy war (from our enemy's view). The reason they want us dead is that we do not worship their god. We are the great satan. You really can't negotiate with people with that mentality. What were the people in the twin towers doing to attack Islam?

Tell me what is wrong with an open-ended committment? Wasn't the American Revolution open ended? Hasn't our committment to NATO and the cold War been open ended? Wasn't every war we have ever fought open ended?

About the only non-open ended interventions have been Grenada, Panama, Hati and Kosovo (which I think we finally got all of our troops that were supposed to be out in one year finally out).

America has got to stop abandoning allies when the going gets tough. I truly hope you are wrong Hack.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 7:58pm.

The people who worked in the twin towers were not much different than many Americans who work in the capitalist system. They are lawful citizens of the USA.
The terrorists see all such people as "money changers" and consider them as guilty of stealing Arab and Persian treasures just as much as Standard Oil.
Of course they aren't correct--they were just bad negotiators.
They don't kill us however just because we don't believe in their religion--many already here in the USA don't believe in the Christian religion, but they don't kill us for that.
It is the old story of economics, follow the money! A very rich Arab for instance doesn't care if the recent manager of Wall Street is also rich, not even Anna Nicole Smith's heirs.
As to abandoning allies, we made them allies in most cases: they really didn't want to be. Who will ever be our allies in Iraq, for instance?
You are correct about not being able to negotiate with the terrorists, or even the non-terorists there. Their heritage of 5000 years puts a different value and understanding on agreements. They have ben screwed for 4000 of those years by first one country and then another, so they don't trust.
The reasons why we were stupid to go in there except to run them off, and occupy and fortify forever, as we did in almost two-thirds of the USA.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 5:08pm.

I respect you and your opinion. Please tell me, with respect to Iraq, how you, as a military professional, see us focusing military power to bring about an end to sectarian violence. Who do we hit, and with what? I've racked my brain, small as it maybe, and I got nothing but a prevent defense for our boys. G'Day, and thanks again ArmyMaj

Kevin "Hack" King


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