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I have an Idea!

I have this really great idea! Okay, the basis for this idea is my personal situation, but here goes: First, a little history. Adolf Hitler was a really, really bad person, but he did a lot before he became that bad person that was good, for instance: Kinder Geld and the Autobahn. I think the US should consider something like Kinder Geld. It pays money to mothers (or fathers, not sure about fathers, though) who choose to stay home and raise their children. If mothers who go to work get a tax return, why not give mothers who stay home (personal opinion: A MUCH harder job) some kind of compensation and maybe a little encouragement. This system works very well in Germany, I think it may work here as well. There are rules that must be followed, but here are some that I think should be used: The spouse that is NOT staying home must have gainful employment, there should be a per child rate. The money would ideally be used for child items, such as shoes, clothes, school supplies, but can be used for other things like bills, afterall, what's the use in having it if you can't use it to pay the electric bill, when the child benefits from electricity as well?! See where I'm going? I think this would do a lot to help the next generation, maybe if a lot more parents were ABLE to stay home, there would be fewer criminals. Just a thought. What do you think?

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Just F.Y.I.

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 9:12am.

The "Autobahn" was designed primarily to allow high speed transport of military supplies throughout the country. Additionally, it was designed to support military aircraft in the event that the military installations were destroyed during a war. You can land and deploy heavy bombers on it.

Our "Interstate" system is based on it.

I find it ironic that you would use that to point out one of the "good" things Hitler did.

Kinder Geld

Submitted by ptcjenn on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 8:38am.

People who work and 'get a tax return' aren't getting free money (well, Earned Income Credit people are, but we're not talking about welfare). They are getting money back that they put in to begin with. Kinder Geld, if it was going only to women who were working to begin with, would have to have an additional tax associated with it. Just taking it out of the already overburdened Social Security/Medicare/etc. money would be more than the system could afford right now. Say you're working, and getting taxes taken out based on no baby. Then you have a baby and stay home. The first year you're home, that tax return would show the credit for having a baby and you'd most likely get a pretty big check back, so there is a credit or money given back to you based on having the baby. It's not welfare, you paid it into the system to begin with. I think if you take that number and divide by 12 months of the year, there's your Kinder Geld. You just get it in one big chunk instead of spread out over the year. It might help to think of it this way: before you have a baby, you have more jobs available and a bigger paycheck than you would have if an additional tax was in place. You're getting more than your German counterpart, you're just getting it in a different way. People over there scrimp and save once they get a job, and if they do well they can afford a condo for the same price that we pay for a house here. You have more buying power with your money here in the USA, especially where food and housing are concerned.

A lot of these programs seem nice and manageable from our side of the ocean, but you have to remember these countries are not much bigger than most of our states.

Also, those countries probably have a much bigger interest in babies from a government standpoint. People over there just don't have kids like they do here - their population is actually shrinking if I remember correctly (not including immigrants). I just looked on Wikipedia (Demographics of Europe) and while I hate to cite it as an authority, it does give a quick overview that the population there is ageing and shrinking. So they want to pay more to moms who will give birth to future taxpayers, that's a huge oversimplification but that's what they're thinking?? Plus the socialistic aspect, which will gain ground here in the USA but for now I think everyone like that will push for socialized medicine before something like kinder geld is addressed.

I know from experience, if you have your kids young it is really hard at first, but it does get easier. I have read some of your blogs and know y'all have not had an easy time of it. And something like Kindergeld seems like a great idea, but the whole economic environment would be very different than it is now, and the changes would be far from positive in most cases, IMHO.

SouthernBelle

Submitted by christi on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 10:15pm.

I think that's a wonderful idea. I stay at home and staying at home is not sitting on my butt, watching soap operas and waiting for the next pregnancy. Being a stay at home mom IS work. It is 24-7 work and much harder than any job that I have ever had. I had never planned to be a stay at home mom. When my daughter was born, I just could not put her in day care. Those that think that stay at home mothers don't deserve a program like this either have no idea what we do every day, are jealous, or just male chauvinists.

Another thing, "not again"

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:17pm.

How can women "get it fixed" when OB/GYN's won't do it! My best friend has "pre-cancer" cells in her cervix and can't get "fixed" as you so delicately put it! Here's something else: I got pregnant on BIRTH CONTROL! Should I have gotten an abortion? Didn't think so. You obviously only half read what I wrote, because the basis of kinder geld is that the parent has a job to begin with, therefore, they have paid taxes. Get it together!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

DO YOUR RESEARCH

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:11pm.

Welfare is something different entirely than KINDER GELD. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU RESPOND!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

SouthernBelle: Grab a flak jacket, and prepare for the attacks

Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 7:55pm.

What you describe is much like maternity/paternity leave. The idea behind which came from liberal unions and the ACLU. Of course, this requires the parent to have a job, but gives the parent paid time at home to build their child's developmental foundation. Kinder Geld is a very very liberal idea that many will attack as pure socialism, but I like the direction you're going with this. The household would need a working parent, but then this becomes very close to welfare to single income homes. I am sure there will be little support for that here in Fayette. Our citizens are pretty particular with their tax dollars (not that there's anything wrong with that Smiling )

Cheers,
Kevin "Hack" King

At least somebody KNOWS

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:13pm.

At least SOMEBODY knows what I'm talking about! The basis is that the parent HAS A JOB TO BEGIN WITH. IT IS NOT WELFARE!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Kinder Geld?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:01pm.

I hate to say I told you so!!!!
South Atlanta has Kinder Geld. It is called welfare.

What is YOUR DEAL?

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:10pm.

What is your damage? I don't WANT WELFARE! I DON'T WANT WELFARE! KINDER GELD IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT! You are a freak of nature, you have pushed me and pushed me and pushed me and I am completely sick of you! If you keep responding to my blogs, you had BETTER COME UP WITH SOMETHING NICE TO SAY! You are a good for nothing, scum of the earth freak of nature. I am completely dumbfounded as to what you find so offensive about me. I am seriously considering putting you on my list of people who disgust me to the point of VOMITING! You are a sick and twisted human being. I have tried to be nice, I have tried to be indifferent, and I have tried to tell you about me to give to no doubt about my intentions or desires. STOP READING MY BLOGS YOU JERK! JUST STOP IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I AM OR WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT! GO AWAY! You hateful mean spirited IT.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Ya See? Ya see????

Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:14pm.

Everyone has an inner Hack just crying to get out! You just need the right button pusher. Didn't that feel reeel reeeel good SouthernBele? Admit it! That felt Guuuuudddd!!!

Kevin "Hack" King

I see! I see!!

Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:23pm.

Personally, I thought I had an inner ArmyMajorRetired just crying to get out, but it turned out to be ordinary run-of-the-mill flatulence. Serves me right for eating stuffed Hungarian peppers for dinner!

In any event, I'm struggling with the concept of Kinder Geld. If I understand this correctly, welfare is what is given to single non-working mothers raising one or more children. Kinder Geld is money given by the government to married non-working mothers raising one or more children. Is this right or am I missing something here?
_______________________________________________
Jiminy "Basmati" Cricket
Official Temporary Conscience for ArmyMajPinnochioRetired

Sort Of...

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:25pm.

That is half right. The mother has to be working at the time of pregnancy, the kinder geld, as was already pointed out, is given for a two to three year time frame from the birth of the child, until it is able to attend a preschool program, like headstart, or the pre-k program. It is NOT permanent, nor is it just handed out. It is designed to get the child off to a very good start with the parent as primary caregiver instead of a daycare worker.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

You Have NO Idea!

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:19pm.

You have NO idea how good that felt. I'm so sick of "dollar" the "it" being so obnoxious to me! What was I supposed to do? I've taken the high road for a while now! Argh, I still hate that "it" got to me like that!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

SouthernBelle dollar is CRAZY

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 11:07pm.

Don't let crazy people make you crazy. I know it is easier said than done. She gets off on making you angry, that is her "high" if you will. Don't make her happy. She is like the satanic kids in my neighborhood who torture frogs and the neighborhood cats, and one neighbor's golden retriever, she is very, very sick. Knowing that she is seriously ill should make it easier to ignore her.

Your blog is correct: before Hitler turned crazy himself, he actually had some good policies. My grandparents and their parents escaped from nazi Germany, and one of our close neighbors also escaped. They all agree that Germany was great for the first couple of years of his rule. He was tough on crime they said. They said you were safe to walk around anytime, day or night. In spite of their ordeal, they had good things to say about his first couple of years.

Then he went crazy........

The nice thing about the high road, Southern....

Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:22pm.

Is that when you finally drop your bomb from on high, it hits with greater velocity!

Kevin "Hack" King

Oh thanks a LOT Hack!

Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:27pm.

Now I have the damned old Gap Band song running through my head!
...you dropped a bomb on me, baby....you dropped a bomb on me
_______________________________________________
Jiminy "Basmati" Cricket
Official Temporary Conscience for ArmyMajPinnochioRetired

Switch to DEVO mode:

Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:32pm.

and Whip it! Whip it good!

Kevin "Hack" King

I JUST

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:34pm.

I JUST laughed out loud, and almost spit my sweet tea out! That was Bill's favorite song (that's my hubby's brother, who passed away) they used to sing it walking around the house together, so funny! That really tickled me.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Too Funny

Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:23pm.

That's a good way to see it! Do you think that was a big enough bomb?

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Absolutely.....

Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:35pm.

And deep down dollar does know you don't desire truly dangerous or dinegrating desserts to develop into dollar's demise... OYE! It's late! I gotta get away from this machine!!!

Kevin "Hack" King

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