20,000 (approx.) more troops

General Casey said today that the 20,000 new troops probably could come home by early summer. I think he meant 2007.
Will they get to come back before the ones already there? Maybe just any 20,000?
I'm having trouble figuring this out. Troops sent before now have taken up to several months to re-train, equip, attach, and put on patrol. We don't need to do that anymore, or were we going to do this before the Texas- Hamilton report and all of the consultations for the last month? Which were all ignored.
A very famous person once said if you are going to tell a lie, tell a big one--if it works you will get a lot more for it.

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Submitted by DragNet on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 1:31pm.

The whole Iraq experience is the BIGGEST lie ever told to the American people:

-"Weapons of mass destruction"...nonexistant, could have found aout without sacrificing American blood

-"We will be geeted as liberators" (Dick Cheney)...can anybody really believe this joke? maybe somebody should have told the Iraqis about their expected role in the script!

-"We're rebuilding Iraq infrastructure".... no need for these billion of $$$ if we hadn't destroyed it in the first place.

-"We're building a democracy in the Middle East"...are you kidding? The current "elected" government is handling the country over to Iran and laughing all the way right on our face.

-"We are investing in the welfare of the Iraqi people"....Mmmmm, have Halliburton executives naturalized as Iraqis? $$$$$$$

-"We care for ther troops".....yeah, right. The only real heroes have been used as instruments for enrichment of a very few people in the Bush administartion and its supporters (Halliburton et.al again) while our boys and girls in the military pay the ultimate price.

-"The coalition of the willing"... ajoke. America has never been so isolated before. Our credibility is in shambles. Years of effective diplomacy have been thrown to the drain. Condoleeza's trips are ineffective to solve anything.

-"We will leave until Iraq is rebuilt"---Iraq had institutions before the war. Now we are turning to Arabs and Europeans to help us out of this mess.

-"Stay the course"---The course to what? WE ARE BEING SLOWLY DEFEATED IN IRAQ, BRING OUR BOYS AND GIRLS BACK NOW!
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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:34pm.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


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Submitted by DragNet on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:57pm.

We should never forget the incalculable cost of the war -- the lives and the limbs of U.S. soldiers. As of this month, more than 3,000 U.S. soldiers have died and 22,800 been wounded in this war. An estimated 35,000 Iraqi civilian lives were lost last year.

-In addition, this country pays very steep economic costs -- what economists call "opportunity costs" -- the costs of what is not done with the scarce financial resources we are devoting to war in Iraq. The price is particularly apparent as Bush & Co. prepare to introduce a budget calling for cuts in child care, in education, in health care, and more.

The war costs nearly $9 billion a month, or $120 billion a year -- not counting the interest costs, the costs of veterans' health care and pensions, etc.

Bush & Co. (Republicans) cut Medicare and Medicaid in his FY 2007 budget: $5 billion will be cut over five years from Medicaid -- money that the country will spend in 2½ weeks in Iraq; $36 billion is slated for cuts in Medicare -- or about what the president will spend in a little more than 4½ months in Iraq.

The cost of six hours in Iraq would pay for the cuts in the National Institutes of Health research budget, cuts that are occurring even as scientists are starting to leave the field because of funding shortages.

For the cost of every 1½ months in Iraq -- about $15 billion -- we could provide health insurance for one year for 9 million children who now go without. Children who go without adequate health care when they are young find it more difficult to learn, and are more likely to develop chronic illnesses. We are not only stealing from their promise, we are adding to our own future health care bills.

At the price of 12 hours in Iraq, the president's budget cuts off food packages for 400,000 elderly poor people from the supplemental food program.

For the cost of 2½ days in Iraq, we could help 463,000 low-income students attend college, by paying to reverse the Perkins Loan program reductions in Bush's FY '07 budget. Thirteen days would enable us to reverse the cuts in funding for over 40 education programs, ranging from support for drug-free schools, to federal support for technology centers.

Or think about major national imperatives. The Apollo Alliance has detailed a program for energy independence -- $30 billion a year for 10 years would free us from our dependence on Persian Gulf oil, begin to address catastrophic climate change and generate 3 million jobs here at home.

We could pay for the whole agenda with what we've spent over the last two years in Iraq.

To make us more secure, five days in Iraq would pay for radiation detectors needed at all U.S. ports, rejected thus far due to cost. Two days would pay for detectors to scan 100 percent of all cargo on passenger planes. Two more days would pay to make emergency radio systems interoperable -- which still hasn't happened five years after Sept. 11. Five days would allow us to double federal spending for police on our streets.

So when Bush calls for an escalation in Iraq, remember the price tag that he won't mention -- in the lives and limbs of young men and women, in children without nutrition and health care, the elderly without food and heating aid, and security in our own neighborhoods. We are a wealthy nation, but we cannot squander what economists estimate may total up to $2 trillion on a misbegotten war abroad without paying the price here at home.

LET'S GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW!!!!

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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:50pm.

Using your logic, the men, materials and wealth would be incalcuable!

The war on drugs is a quagmire, let's redeploy!

The war on poverty is stalled, time to stop our efforts.

Imagine how many people could be helped if:

We did away with Government support of the arts.

Here is some more:

"$13,500,000 for the International Fund for Ireland, which helped finance the World Toilet Summit; $6,435,000 for wood utilization research; $1,000,000 for the Waterfree Urinal Conservation Initiative; and $500,000 for the Sparta Teapot Museum in Sparta, N.C.

Congress porked out at record dollar levels with $29 billion in pork for 2006, or 6.2 percent more than last year’s total of $27.3 billion. In fact, the total cost of pork has increased by 29 percent since fiscal 2003."

Want the whole report, go to the Citizens against government waste web site at: http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2006


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 2:50pm.

It was the thing to do. No doubt about it. Also some people even gave Bush permission to disarm Saddam if necessary, as you quoted.
However we FAILED to do the job, didn't we? That part is inexcusable.
Now tell me what Secretaries and Generals should pay the price for failure? They were Bush's advisors, or at least he said so. Or, was it Cheney only?
Shinseki was skedaddled with his stupid ideas.
Apparently most of the other Generals are being promoted for loyalty.
Not to me---to Bush.

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