VietNam again?

I think not. However, we are being honked on the nose again by a devious administration trying to get out of a mess by diversion.
There isn't anyone of knowledge who believes that the Iraqi army can ever handle the terrorists. My goodness, we haven't even been able to get them into similar uniforms yet, supply them their own transportation, train them to use most weapons, get them to kill other Muslims when necessary if they are the wrong ones, get their power companies running, get their water works running, pumping enough oil to pay for most anything, get beyond a hand-full of schools open part-time, run hospitals with some sort of professionalism, operate any factories making any replacements, farm enough food to eat, nor even venture far out of Baghdad into the rest of the country.
I think the plan is to run the terrorists out of Baghdad only, tell the government, "there it is," declare victory and head home as fast as the C-130s and C-5as and private aircraft can fly in and out. Some of our people will move to neighboring countries to advise, but Iraq will be a Theocracy within six months after that. We know these things. If Saudi Arabia or Iran try to capture the oil wells, we will simply bomb the wells.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 7:45pm.

The Bush plan is indeed to secure the core of Bagdad and then be able to leave in a manner much better than the Vietnam discrace. At least we can say there is a new form of government and now it is up to them. Much better than Vietnam.

And sure, there would be big time unrest and civil war in the surrounding areas, but why do we as a country think we can solve that problem? We can't even rid ourselves of Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer and Barney Frank in our own country, so how do think we can rid of the even uglier terrorists?

We got rid of a dictator, we secured the country, now it is time to go. Unless we are holding out for the oil - not a bad idea, by the way- let's go.

Submitted by 1BravesFan on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:02pm.

I can't help but sit here and laugh as I think back on the Bush supporting righties over the past few years. All this time towing their party line like good little soldiers; Standing loyal behind an administration of complete ineptitude, arrogance, and corruption. Anyone who dared voice opposition to Bush or this administration were torn to shreads. Being called "unpatriotic" ... "un-American" .. "terrorist supporters" and "traitors." This group even had the nerve to tell any fellow Americans who weren't like-minded, "If you don't like it here ... leave."

If the actions and demeanor I just described is you ..... then SHAME ON YOU! You absolutetly got what you deserved. I can't tell you how it pleases me to see the vocal Bush supporters now quiet as church mice with embarassment. Still trying to understand the "kick in the teeth" that they got in the November elections. Its quite evident by the number of "W" bumperstickers that have been inadvertantly scraped off of late, that these hardliners went back under their rocks to wipe the egg off of their face and remove the foot they put in their mouth.

This was Bush's war all along ... and if someone wants to lable it the "new Vietnam" .... so be it. The comparison and the embarassment that followed were both well earned.

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Submitted by DragNet on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 10:55pm.

The Cheney plan was to make billions for him and his cronies making Halliburton the main recipient of unchecked contracts in Iraq. In order to do that, we got rid of a dictator, created havoc and never secured the country. This is our era's Vietnam. No win for the US in Iraq, only for the cronies ($$$$$). American soldiers blood? Ask Cheney and Bush.

Making you think twice......

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Submitted by borntorun on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 12:56pm.

The only reason George Junior went into Irag was Saddam threatened Daddy years ago. (George Senior had enough sense and world experience to know better than to invade Iraq.) Add in George Junior's inferior complex to Jeb and you have the makings of a disaster. What a shame, too...3,000 (and counting) brave young men and women losing their life over cowboy mentality.

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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 2:09pm.

That's the sort of theory that would occur to a schoolboy. That and the "we went for their oil" suggestion. The nice thing about such theories, though, is that they don't require you to think very much. The various other alleged motives for the war are written off apriori as rationalizations aimed at justifying such transparently base motives.

Your addition of the social science explanation regarding sibling rivalry helped to make my day. I needed a laugh. Thanks!


My grandson at 22 weeks, via live 3D ultrasound.

Submitted by myword_mark on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 10:02am.

You have articulated why I am having such difficulty with my current political affiliations.

It seems when a substantive argument should be made, I am getting bumper sticker philosophy from my party now, the Democratic Party. I have seen a decrease in character, commitment and sincerity in my party over the last several years.

I have great difficulty with, and anxiety over, how the Republicans have dealt with the Middle East and Iraq in particular, but now that we are there, I cannot see leaving without having a stable Iraqi government or at the very least an Iraqi military that can protect it’s borders and it’s people. The Iraq economy is actually doing fairly well, so I feel like time (but not the body count) is in our favor.

Unless I see a change, or unless Bill Richardson can run for President, I may no longer be able to support a Democrat for our highest national political office.

I cannot see a Republican on the horizon I can support either. Muddle, maybe you should run- maybe.

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 10:42am.

I would run as an Independent. I'll be the founder of the Good Intentions Party.

You see, I would mean well, but I can't even keep my desk straight. People have become lost for weeks at a time in my office in the mazes of stacks of old student papers, etc., requiring search and rescue operations from the National Guard. (They survived only by finding half-eaten donuts or half-full cups of coffee forgotten on the bookshelves, etc.) Students have volunteered to be my assistants to help me to organize. I've turned them down on the grounds that I am far too disorganized to have an assistant. Who but me could figure out my "horizontal filing system"--where documents are buried in the strata on my desk and all other level spaces? ("Let's see, that term paper should be somewhere around the Pre-Cambrian level....") I'm the kind of person who causes people to register great shock and surprise when I actually make it to a (required)faculty meeting.

I've headed for Home Depot for paint but wound up in Publix scratching my head and trying to remember what groceries my wife needed. Once I drove my car to a corner grocery but then walked home. Later, I was shocked that the car was not in the driveway and thought it had been stolen. My hair often gets two washings instead of one because I forget that I just did it.

If I was in the Oval Office, bills would come to my desk for me to sign and I would promptly misplace them. We would run up a huge national debt because I would forget to pay the bills and there would be additional interest and finance charges. If I declared war on a country I would likely get mixed up on just where we were supposed to drop the bombs (was that Bulgaria or Bolivia?). My annual State of the Union address would include a lot of apologies and promises to do better next time.

My Presidential library, which would be along a Florida beach somewhere, would mirror the shambles that my current library is in. And, at my funeral, they would ascribe this epithet on my stone:

50th President of the United States
"At Least He Meant Well"


My grandson at 22 weeks, via live 3D ultrasound.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 8:05pm.

Sadly someone with your quite understandable organizational skills - or perhaps the lack of those skills will probably be elected President in 2008. Sadly, we have gone back to the mid 1970's where Ford pardoned Nixon and the next election was all about "Vote the crooked Republicans out" and of course we did. Yes, we - because I voted for Carter like most others. Hate to admit it it, but I did.

Now we have the anti-Bush thing going on and while Bush is not re-electible (even if there were no term limits) his low poll numbers are going to kill off the chances of any Republican - same as 1976.

So, now we know there is a Democratic President in our future. Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Kerry? Who do you think?

I'd go with Clinton because she would be a bigger failure than even Carter and we as a country would stay away from women and Democrats for the next 20 years. Hard to say since I was both of those things 30 years ago

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 01/17/2007 - 6:49am.

...we as a country would stay away from women and Democrats for the next 20 years. Hard to say since I was both of those things 30 years ago."

I'm curious. Which one of those has changed?

Sorry. I just had to! Smiling

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/17/2007 - 7:02am.

My Democratic period of idealism ended before I turned 30. You know what they say "If you are in your 20's and not a liberal, you have no heart; If you are 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain." Words to live by.

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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 12:00pm.

"At least he meant well" is good, but I'd prefer "A troubled man for troubled times".


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