Boy, if all it took was some comments about a debate then you are easy. Brown's ploy worked. He got you. Well, good. You sure Logsden said what you said he said? I guess, because you certainly must have weighed Brown's performance, slanders, lies, deceit, etc. versus Logsden prior to the Nov.8 election. What "mad impulse" made you support Logsden in the first place? Well, I do think that choosing to not debate in a last minute set up for a runoff election in which you clearly are in the lead is certainly a "valid" reason to put Steve "I love you if you love me" Brown back in office for 4 more years. Maybe after he has alienated us from the rest of Georgia, put two or three more bridges in, embroiled us in a few more lawsuits, uncovered some more corruption, saved us from ourselves, changed the name of the city to "Brownsville," gotten rid of term limits so he can become "mayor for life," he can just hold another debate and validate your vote.
By the way, if Brown was doing so much good with the youth (and I agree he has done well in this respect) then why do you talk about all the "teen problems?" Truthfully, Brown has supported some good youth causes (thought the grafitti wall behind the police station was questionable). What makes you, and Brown for that matter, assume that Logsden wouldn't continue to support those programs? There are a lot of issues out there. Brown has done a good job supporting the youth. Why then would this be an issue? Maybe there really isn't much to disagree with there.

What makes you, and Brown for that matter, assume that Logsden wouldn't continue to support those programs?

A: I want to believe he would do a great job with the youth but he has never even mentioned anything not even a whisper about the teens in our city.

There are alot of issues out there, This for me was the peak of the iceberg....Don't get me wrong Steve is crazy sometimes!!! but I would much rather have that then a GOOD OLE' BOY attitude.... that is what got us all the "curruption".....there are things I agree with Logsdon about (in fact alot) but this issue pushed me to the other side im sorry....

Are you a product of the Fayette County School System?

If so, please go back. PLEASE USE SPELLCHECK!

By the way, the teens in Peachtree City have plenty of things to do after school...they're called JOBS. Otherwise, they should be doing homework or participating in character building extracurricular activities like the Young Democrats and Young Republicans clubs .

Teens that do drugs have parents that don't know what they're doing, and no mayor or council should ever have to try to solve the immense problem of parental stupidity. That should be solved through chemical castration. Plain and simple.

Hey I will begin to read over my comments. Anyway yes, I am a product of Fayette County Schools, there is a problem with drugs, and you are right about extracurricular activities, and in part the city can help there. For example, the Youth Council has put on concerts ect.. and our mayor HELPED create those. Logsdon needs to at least show concern or knowledge about our problems with youth. He acknowledges that the senior citizens have little activities to participate in, but he fails to acknowledge the youth and the near EXTINCT activities they have.

A long time ago, back in the early days, when you actually had to "write" a letter to the editor, and...God forbid...actually SIGN the letter, I began my political interest here. Yes, even before Brown ever existed in this city. And you know who ran the city? That's right, Bob Lenox, et.al. The very same group now known as the "good ol' boys." And you know, they didn't slander me. NOOOO. They didn't insult me. NOOO. They didn't call me names and try to degrade me. NOOOO. They would simply address the issue. So, where did the term "good ol' boy" come from? Well, the same person who dubbed many of us as the "outs," the "government in exile," the "old guard." Thats right, Steve Brown. And you know, I was never insulted until the first time, four years ago, I wrote a letter daring to question one of Browns decisions. Since then I have been slandered to levels that even this blog hasn't quite stooped to yet. But, what of this "good ol'boy" network. Truthfully, they aren't the crooks Brown claims. That's just him being his delusional self. You see, he sees himself as a superhero who has swooped into poor, dark, dank, depressed, crime ridden PTC to banish the evil and deliver us to the light. Problem is that the evil wasn't here. So he creates it. He does so with accusation, slander, innuendo, insult, lawsuits, etc. But truthfully, the evil never existed.
As for the youth, that's exactly why I moved here in 1990. You see, PTC has always been a great place for kids because of our schools, sports programs, scouts, and most of all parents. Our city government has always supported the youth. Brown didn't do this, he inherited it. It will go on without him. So don't worry about Logsden. Our great youth programs will continue. After all (as much as I hate to quote her) Hillary said it best, "it takes a village to raise a child." Brown only inserts himself into this process. He doesn't create it and no one can destroy it.

Sorry, Birdman, just couldn't let that calumny pass unchallenged.

'Twas I, humble I, who first used those terms in print to designate the three-decades-old power structure that was tossed screaming from office in the early 'aughts' of this decade.

But I was using those terms in print in the 80s and 90s as well, long before most of you (including Brown) got here. Took that long to pry their cold, raging fingers from the backroom levers of power.

Just kidding about the "cold, raging fingers." Raging hot fingers, then.

Brown just shamelessly incorporated the terms into his rhetoric and not only claims them for himself but gets primary blame for them as well.

For those terms, I'm your villain. And I haven't stopped using the very descriptive terms yet. Looks like I might get a good shot at unholstering them again in a few months. The "outs" seem poised to get back in. Hide your single-family zoning, mama; the rezoning reconstructors are revving up the bulldozers.

So turn your guns to the correct target: I'm your man, huckleberry. And I'm going to be around for a while.

P.S. Don't lose your humor, guys. Keep it clean and keep on posting.

P.P.S. Doesn't it scare anyone that come January, the most experienced elected officials in PTC will have but two years of service under their helmets and the city manager not much longer than that?

Who will remember how things once were -- Logsdon? Don't make me laugh; I might cry. Logsdon still talks about the "Master Plan" as if he had ever even seen it. I have seen it since 1977, and we're about one annexation or one industrial tract rezoning away from the whole thing getting away from us.

(Obvious corollary: Yes, PTC has been great, well-planned, etc. Check your mortgage payment and your tax bill: we all are paying nicely for that nice plan. Build somebody a statue. But first build some relief for 54-74.)

Leadership? A real leader ought to be able to find his way to McIntosh High School just out of respect for some kids who are looking for some leaders.

Real leaders don't duck and cover. But maybe my standards are too high.

By the way, it is amusing for anonymous posters to rant about other posters being themselves anonymous. Therefore, I and Mr. Hancock encourage all who post anonymously to just shut up about the anonymity of other posters, lest your real signature become "do as I say, not as I do."

Cal Beverly
publisher
The Citizen
Fayetteville, Ga. 30214

Cal - thanks for the history. When one hears terms so often, it can be difficult to remember when they started.

Just a couple of questions though. My understanding is that PTC was originally planned to have about 80k residents and a lot more multi-family. That number was dropped to 40-50K in the 70s, I believe, and since then a lot of neighborhoods were built with fewer homes than planned, so that, even with the annexations, we still won't hit the 40K numer. So the question is, if the numbers balance out in line with the overall plan, why is annexation bad?

Next question: Does the term "Old Guard" really apply if it's been around since the 80s? Over 2/3 of our population has moved here since then, including most of the folks who now get that label. "Old Guard" seems to mean our business community, and it appears that, no matter when one came here, he or she is "old guard" simply by agreeing with any or all of the business community's philosophies. Bottom line, people seem to like what they see when the move to PTC, regardless of when that happens. Many stay, and those seem to be the folks participate in the community (volunteer, donate, run for office) - That speaks volumes about what a special place this is, and that is largely due to those who have cared enough to get involved, no matter which "guard" they are in. If you have been here since 1977, might you not really be the "old guard?" (no sarcasm or disrespect implied - just wondering).

Thanks.

Steve Brown's "count" of the attendance at the non-debate: "we had about 200 people in attendance, probably 40 students too."

Plwindco's "count" of the attendance at the non-debate: "Hundreds appeared, all given the chance to ask questions."

The AJC's count of the attendance at the non-debate: "About 60 people were in the audience."

No wonder Brown and plwindco thought the debate had been sceduled for "Weeks in advance." Let's see...4 days = "Weeks in advance."
60 people = "about 200."

Any more questions regarding Brown's commitment to "honesty?"
Funny thing about liars, they are usually caught. You'd think Brown would try and be more honest if he is going to have the AJC show up.
Hmm...wonder what the high school kids think of Brown now? Maybe he was just demonstrating the "inflate the numbers to acheive your goal" portion of being a politician. Maybe he was just flat out lying. Nice "roll model" for the kids.

What do we believe in----Debate or Big Money Politics ? Last night the high school students of our community hosted a debate. Hundreds appeared, all given the chance to ask questions. Many did. The cowards like Birdman stayed away, afraid of being embarrassed, choosing instead to make silly website posts at midnight. Your candidate Mr. Logsdon won't debate key issues like the Development Authority failures. He concedes (as he must) that there was "bad management and bad judgments" by some of his campaign contributors but he won't debate the issue and he won't tell us the solution.

One of the two candidates appeared: our Mayor Steve Brown. Always a believer in Open Government, always a believer in public discussion, Steve appeared.

The other candidate, Harold Logsdon, refused to appear. Weeks in advance, he refused a debate. Strange, though, his campaign manager and many of his campaign staffers appeared. Why not Mr. Logsdon? He said that we have had “enough forums” and “enough information” is out there. His website? Vacuous. As one writer said, “Logsdon has proposals but no plans.” Like the reader who emailed him with a question, I too got no response when I asked the paid calling to stop at my house. Maybe I will do the same thing--- offer a contribution on his website and then I will get a reply like that woman did. Logsdon will listen to money but not to us. That is shameful.

Afraid to appear but at 7:30 at night he was not “out meeting voters”; his campaign operatives appeared. Instead, he used his big money war chest to pay for automated telephone calling to PTC voters trying to deceive them into believing there was no debate. That’s right--- a PTC candidate that will pay money to quell public discussion.

In a Logsdon administration there will be no need for public debate. In a Logsdon administration there will be no need for public discussion. In a Logsdon administration, all of the decisions affecting our future have already been made.

I still believe in the Constitution. I still believe in Free Speech. I still believe in America. And I still believe in Peachtree City.

I was there was and not even a 100 others. What kind of lie are you trying to pull here or can you simply not count? Someone about halfway through the farce counted 71 people. Hundreds? I guess you meant 100's of eyes were there or 100's of feet were there.

Desperate people say and do desperate things.

NUK

Um, don't read the AJC much, do you?

Mr. Logsdon was invited to the debate on MONDAY. Let's see...Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Three days. He might have actually had something else planned - wow!

Let's remember Mr. Kinser's missive - the mayor is only one of five. Let's find a good team player instead of a superstar mouthpiece.

Vote on December 6, and tell Steve Brown to go away!

Did I ask YOU those questions? NO. I asked Brown. You think it cowardice to NOT waste my time listening to Brown debate himself? You, Brown, and his entire "love for his beloved citizens" begging for votes are pathetic. The vote was held Nov.8. The citizens spoke. Brown's desperate attempts at preventing his inevitable fate is sad. He has brought local politics to a level that is lower than low. He has no substance. He has no integrity. He has no ethics. He has no life. The voters will speak on Dec. 6 and he will be done for. All the fake debates, accusations and insults, false claims, and lies will not help. Eveyone knows him. We have had 4 years to "watch him in action." We've had enough.