Flat Rock Middle School in an uproar??

I'd like to hear the whole story. Seems some kids wore Dixie Outfitters clothing to Flat Rock that displayed the Confederate flag. They were given another shirt to wear or the choice of in school suspension for the day. Can someone confirm this? I also heard there was an uproar among parents today and kids were being checked out of school due to some concerns over this. Police were called? Yes? No? Board of Education, you need to involve yourself before this turns into something worse. Is clothing with the confederate flag banned from this school only, all schools in Fayette?

southernboy's blog | login to post comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
masked08's picture
Submitted by masked08 on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:06pm.

How about only allowing our nations colors for clothing. No logos. No advertisements. Nada. Red, white, or blue shirts. Blue or tan pants. That's it. Not a uniform but very strict guidelines. Everyone wears a belt properly. Solid black shoes, again with no logos.


Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:12pm.

Heck, I remember the days when girls could not wear pants to school. Boys had to wear shirts and ties and everybody had to wear hard-soled shoes. Having spent a good bit of my youth in a uniform, your dress code suggestion sounds positively liberal by comparison. So, who do we call to get it implemented?

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 5:52pm.

Mandatory Uniforms.

Yes, I expect that students will protest that idea loudly but, so sad too bad. School (like the office environment) is not the place to "let it all hang out." Students will have to learn to work in an office where they cannot hang inflammatory posters or keep controversial items on display on their desks. These days, people get fired for having the wrong bumper sticker on their car, nevermind t-shirts on their backs. So, this is the perfect opportunity to teach students that lesson.

Parents will save money in the long run. No more having to buy the "in" thing that will be "out" next month. No more having to buy inappropriate fashions for your young ladies that were designed for grown women. And, hey, moms, you can finally buy your sons pants that fit!

Uniform their butts and focus those young minds on the business of the day -- learning.

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by RightOnTheMoney on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 6:29pm.

who protest, complain, want them free, and prevent uniforms - NOT the students- from ever being adopted. Count on it!

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 6:59pm.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious but, has anyone brought up the suggestion? What was the basis for the objection? Maybe this is the "perfect storm" that can change those folks' minds. Just a thought.

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 7:49pm.

just my thoughts, but if you make the kids write essays on all the Blacks, and nothing about their own heritage year after year, you are gonna get this. When my kid was there, it never stopped. I am not saying don't respect the Black's background, but these other kids have a great background to be proud of too. The town Tyrone, is named after a town in Northern Ireland where a lot of these Scot-Irish people came from in the 1850s. A lot were here before that, but the deal is, you are walking all over them with this...no one has a heritage but the Blacks. That is just not true.

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 7:59pm.

I was asking about uniforms. Has anyone brought up the subject before? What was the objection? Is it possible that this situation could convince people to think about it again?

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:05pm.

you can't keep pushing this one sided stuff on them and not get a reaction like this.

Submitted by frms student on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 5:30pm.

i am a senior student at flat rock, and this is the truth:
last year the black kids at flat rock had a day were they all wore black and yelled running down the hall to celebrate their heritage, this was unofficial and seperate from febuarys (black history) one of the students wore a 'real men are black' shirt and got ISS and a warning not to wear it again. this year that student has worn it at least 3 times. he has not gotten ISS or detention or anything! a concerned caucasian male teacher reported the student to the principal, Oatha Mann, and Mr.Mann found nothing wrong with the shirt because it doesnt say anything degrading to whites, mexicans, or any other race specifically (according to him) so when a caucasian female student wore a shirt that said 'if you have a problem with this shirt - you need a history lesson' the administration gave the girl ISS and forced her to change her shirt inside-out. because the black kid got away with the 'real men are black' shirt the white kids thought that they would protest the white kids ISS by wearing dixie shirts. all of the students fot ISS, and racial shirts and confederate flag shirts were banned from the school. one girl wore a confederate shirt with 6 african slaves picking cotton on it. the black kids at the school freaked out and had a BIG problem with it. i happen to know this girl very well and she is and has been a southern activist. 100%! after the day of wearing the confed. flag the black kids threatened the white kids, yeah i said it THREATENED. they threatened to 'end this thing for real' * 'if i see you wearing another confed. flag shirt i'll shoot you up!' * the threats were there. regardless of what ABC says. students did not feel safe walking down the hall because there were 3 S.W.A.T members patrolling with guns and handcuffs. that is the true story

Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 5:29pm.

Thank you for setting everybody on this website straight. My family isn't racist, though we do have a problem with black people threatening us over a shirt. Yes, the shirt was a little offensive, but it's not about slavery. It's about the south. Im sorry if you were offended, but it's dumb. Relax and get your education while you can.

Thanks,
Erin

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 7:14pm.

The only racism we have in the south is the black people hating whites.

Thank you for having the courage to stand up for what is right. I know it isn't easy. I heard a saying a long time ago when I moved here: "as long as the world shall last, there will be wrongs, and if no man objects and no man rebels, those wrongs are going to last forever".

The reverse racism that has been condoned here by a racist pricipal, and superintendent is wrong. Thanks for telling us about the problem.

Now it is up to the adults to get lawyers to react to this horrendous abuse.

Come on Fayette County DA .....where are you????? Let's go this is discrimaination at it's worst..........and it is illegal....lets go...........before we have to replace a pricipal, a superintendent and a DA. (UMmm that goes for the school board members as well).

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 7:40pm.

I want to ask you a few things. The shirt they showed on TV...DID NOT HAVE A CONFEDERATE FLAG ON IT.. not that I saw. All it said was Dixie girls on the front? I went to Dixie outfitters and couldn't find the same shirt, but I did notice that the girl's shirts, unlike the boys, had nothing on the back. The one they showed on TV appeared to have nothing on the back either. Is this right or wrong?
Also, where did anyone get a shirt with Blacks picking cotton? I saw no such thing on the web site. Does the little girl you are talking about not know 'we lost?' Why beat a dead horse? I can understand protesting the other kid with the "black guys are best", or whatever, but why a shirt like that? I will say, I admire the group of girls that wore the shirt they showed on TV, it was ...NOT...racial...but did make their point that things shouldn't be onesided. That showed spunk!

Submitted by auntieemm on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 6:47pm.

I knew it was bad there but I can't believe this!! I confirmed it and the whole story is true. Changes need to be made at this school
right away before this turns into an out of control situation.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:01pm.

They are suppose to redraw the boundaries. I was told it would be according to 1. distance from home (gas is high) 2. racial (to equal out) 3. money (not to have all rich and all poor)

I don't know this to be fact, but if so, SC has people from the extreme other side of the county. Fayette County High is much closer. They have some very strange boundary lines all over the county that doesn't seem to support this idea. People in Highgrove are within spitting distance of Whitewater, but are sent to Starrs Mill. Kids that can see Starrs Mill from their house, are sent to Whitewater. No one is gonna be happy and the present boundaries look like anything but the above. "Lucy, you have some span'in todo!"

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:07pm.

The fact that kids who are closer to a particular school are sent across county is likely to comply with Brown v. Board of Education. No, it isn't convenient but it is the law.

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:16pm.

But, out school is already half black and McIntosh and Starrs Mill and Whitewater, are not even close, so, whatever Brown v. Board of Ed. is...as I stated earlier, the guide lines for redrawing don't merit us getting the kids from the extreme other side. I don't know how it fits, pulling kids across to SC and not down to FCHS, or Whitewater or McIntosh.

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:42pm.

was the 1960's case in which the US Supreme Court determined that segration of schools was unconstitutional. Specifically, the court said that schools that were "separate but equal" were inherently unequal and thus unconstitutional. Since that time, there have been several formulas for evaluating the "make-up" of a school and there have been several formulas employed for manipulating district lines to try to "legally" segregate schools. So, the district lines may not make "common sense" for any number of reasons.

I know nothing about the history of Fayette County schools but, giving the FCBOE the benefit of the doubt, I assume (a dangerous thing, I admit) that the reason for some of the district assignments you described is to comply with the law.

-------------------------------
If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:45pm.

you would know they are anything ....but...take a ride to the south of Fayette. The schools are totally white..

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 9:28pm.

"The schools are totally white"

For the most part, so is the population. Who’s fault is that?

If you want the schools more "racially" balanced why not make it mandatory that a certain percentage of the homeowners have to be from a specific race?

For that matter, add to the above that only a certain percentage of homeowners can have household incomes within a given bracket.

Both ideas are equally stupid.

To keep the “stupid” thing going, why is the dress-code authority left up to the school principal? These are “County” schools.

From what I’ve been able to read there is no requirement that the dress-code be uniformly, (pun intended), applied from school to school. Why not?

If it works in Whitewater HS or Fayette County HS why isn’t it the came in Sandy Creek HS?

No single person should have this authority. Only the FCBoE should have this authority and the residents of the county should tell them what it is. All of the residents.

If the FCBoE attempts to “balance” the student populations based on race, lookout. You better start hiring school resource officers by the bus load, equip the schools with metal detectors, put “panic” buttons, video cameras in the classrooms and hallways.

I went through school race balancing/segregation in the burbs of D.C in 70’s. It was a disaster.

Been there, done that, have the bloody “T” shirt to prove it.


Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 5:31pm.

Wow. I just love your comment.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 9:49pm.

You just had to attract attention to south Fayette didn't you. Now all of their hate monger Malcom X T-shirts will say first north Fayette now south Fayette.

Great.....just great, you gave the hate race something new to destroy.

Next thing you know, you will up the challenge and tell them south Fayette is drug free zone as well. LOL. Ok, I guess everyone knows that's not true.

You just gave them a new goal, somewhere else they can spread their hate and crime.

By the way I am a taxpayer of Fayette county, and the BOE can look forward to a lawsuit for mispending my tax dollars and promoting reverse racism. I may not win, but I can make you miserable for harboring a race baiting hate monger principal!!!

ps: all of you people who like to ruin communities, white flight is taking off for south fulton, palmeto, serenbee, check it out....that's your new challenge for the week something new to destroy. Also Reynolds Plantation, lake oconee area.

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 10:56pm.

As far as bringing a legal action against the FCBoE, I'm with you.

I would include the kid that was wearing the "T" shirt with the confederate flag.

He/she would be my stare witness.

Seriously, I do see a lawsuit coming from of this.

In my opinion, the principal should have to prove that it caused a disruption to the learning environment while other “T” shirts did not.

I would think that would prove to be a tough row to hoe.

P.S. Thank "mine_is_gone".


Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:20pm.

Again, why not the other schools that have less?

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 5:55pm.

When a family moves in to Sandy Creek's district or Starr's Mill's district it is by design - not accident. Now you are going to change the boundries and therefore, the schools that the home buyers chose to send their families to. It is not a coincidence that property values are reflected by the quality of the local school. Changing those boundry lines denies people the opportunity to buy in to the school district of their choice and changes their property values. Remember that during your tax assesments after re-districting. It will be interesting to see what the PTC parents do when their kids are sent to Flat rock and Sandy Creek and what the Whitewater students do who end up at Fayette County High School. By the way, there is no all white school in Fayette. Starr's Mill has Harmony Village and Blamoral which are closer to Booth and McIntosh and have a large minority population. Also, the Starr's Mill principal is a wonderful black woman named Ms. Toney. You better get involved NOW! I sure do love my 40 acres!

Submitted by head_ragg on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 6:26pm.

Have you heard where the boundary lines for SC are gonna be? How far into PTC? If the people in PTC refuse to come to the school...then what? What is the chance of them going back to the old ones? How often do they redraw the lines? Someone was talking about the lines and I looked too, and I agree they are strange. If you go into the PTC area for kids to SC., Mcintosh is closer. Zip 30213 is closer to Fayette High and Starr's Mill is taking kids from an area that I thought, went to McIntosh. Where have you heard the most movement will be? Are they just gonna kind of tweek the lines, or really move them?

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 6:38pm.

... you better find out now from the board of education!

Submitted by head_ragg on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 6:51pm.

You just seem to know all the good gossip, so I thought you might know something about that too. If Mr Mann ever figures out who you are, he is gonna strangel you for telling he is MR Oliver's nephew! Ha Ha
I just keep hearing the lines are suppose to go into PTC, so, someone is leaking something.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:27pm.

everyone would dissapear!

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:33pm.

but why Sandy Creek and not the other high schools? Let me guess...please...the football team...Oh God! this is gross!

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:38pm.

the laws are bent to whatever certain people want...and the rest of the tacpayers can go screw themselves!!!! I AM SOOOOO....OUT...OF HERE...I CAN'T BELIEVE I EVER PAID THIS KIND OF MONEY TO LIVE IN A PLACE LIKE THIS....GOD HELP ME!!!!

Submitted by RightOnTheMoney on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 6:23pm.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck .......

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:06pm.

All four of my kids, along with my wife and myself, are college graduates. We are also black. My Grandaughters are both straight 'A' students and the 10th grader has already scored a 1400 on the SAT (last ear's version). If you have a problem with her - you just have a problem. Not only do my kids bring our test scores up - we bring the tax base up. Maybe you have met them. They teach your kids and one is a local nurse. I am sure you know my son ... and would like his autograph. Try addressing a person without degrading his grandchildren. I own forty acres here in Fayette County that we have had for the last 55 years. We are about to sell it to a developer and move because ignorance is now the rule and not the exception here. We have bigger fish to fry than to live with people who refuse to accept people with traditional American values. You will get what you deserve - life is like that Eye-wink

Submitted by sickandtired on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 8:57am.

our children act the way they do. After reading all of the blogs from the so-called parents on this site, We have to ask ourselves- where do the kids learn their behavior or why are our children acting this way in school. Our children are a product of our enviroment and after reading over half of these blogs, I'm simply determined that they have learned the racist behavior from home. No where else. Wake up parents!!! Aren't we supposed to be good role models and teachers to our children. And I'm speaking about all races. There is good in every race and evil in every race. I teach my children to turn the other cheek. Good always comes out on top. Maybe not in the real world, but when they get to heaven it certainly will!!!!! If we all taught our children to turn the other cheek maybe we would start to see a difference in the bad behaviors. Half the world needs to get down on their rusty knees and pray for ourselves and each other, instead of all the bickering and name calling. It's very simple and don't take a whole lot of time out of your busy day. Try it.....you might actually like it!!!!

Submitted by blabbermouth on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 9:26am.

had more disciplinary problems last year than the other schools in Fayette. If you haven't seen this, you might want to take a look. You'll have to copy and paste, sorry.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0708disciplinechart.html

Submitted by southernboy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:50am.

Out of curiousity I went to this website. Flat Rock had 125.6 incidents per 100 students. Yes, per 100 students. They had more than any other school in the system. Eye opening. That is dusgustingly pathetic!

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 8:11pm.

The demographics have definitly changed...and not for the better. Did people move here because they wanted a better life for their kids?

Did they move here just because they wanted to ruin something that was good?
News flash if you want to live here, assimilate, discipline your kids, show them that learning is a good thing.

Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:19am.

Here is a breakdown of Flat Rock's incidents:

Alcohol: None Reported
Arson: None Reported
Battery: None Reported
Breaking & Entering – Burglary: None Reported
Computer Trespass: None Reported
Disorderly Conduct: 1
Drugs, Except Alcohol or Tobacco: 1
Fighting: 38
Larceny / Theft: 3
Motor Vehicle Theft: None Reported
Robbery: None Reported
Sexual Battery: None Reported.
Sexual Harassment: 1
Sex Offenses: None Reported
Threat / Intimidation: 2
Tobacco: None Reported
Trespassing: None Reported.
Vandalism: None Reported
Weapons Possession - Knife: None Reported
Weapons Possession – Handgun: None Reported.
Weapons Possession – Rifle/Shotgun: None Reported
Weapons Possession – Other: None Reported
Other Discipline Incident: 1,187 Any other discipline incident for which a student is administered corporal punishment, in-school or out-of-school suspension, expelled, suspended from riding the bus, assigned to an alternative school, referred to court or juvenile system authorities, or removed from class at the teacher’s request.

1187 out of the 1233 "incidents" were corporal punishment(s), suspensions and the like. If anything, this shows that the principal is most likely running a very tight ship, which can't be easy if that redneck girl on Channel 2 whining about her purported "heritage" is any indication of the quality of student there.


Submitted by athena on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 3:03pm.

FRMS has the highest number of office referals in the county; but this still only represents a fraction of the discipline problems that occur. Most middle school teams have discipline plans in place that require multiple offenses before an office referal is even written. Student usually have to get in trouble in two or more classes on the same day to even receive a warning, then they receive multiple warnings verbal and written, parent contact, and detentions before a referral is even written. Consider the level of classroom disruption that can occur when teachers are trying to ignore minor incidences and then for every office referral five or six other disruptions have occurred. Teachers are generally discouraged from writing office referrals except for major disruptions in classes. The fact that this level of disruption occurs in classes and the student still succeed speaks volumes about the quality of the teachers at that school. However, make no mistakes: FRMS is not a tight ship.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:47am.

When you described gangs at the school you named "the Hicks" and described them as
"The Hicks -- who are known for wearing the Dixie clothing mentioned and plaid shirts"

This may be some hints on the Southern Cross and the plaid.
“The best-known of all Confederate flags—the battle flag—is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." A large part of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. This flag is the flap popularly associated with Robert E. Lee, and is the flag under which he fought.”
Scottish and Scotch-Irish people also like plaids, or tartans. Different plaids represent different clans. My maiden name was Montgomery, and there is a tartan, or plaid, for that clan.

My feeling is that with the Black history month, and all the forced essays you have these kids write about famous blacks. You are completely ignorant of THEIR history.
A lot of historians credit this very group of people, Scottish and Scotch-Irish, with taming the American frontier and being a main reasons that the US won their independence from Britton. One of the many reasons given was their tenacious determination and ability and fight and survive.
These people still make up a large part of the population in the South. Most didn’t have plantations or slaves, but fought to protect their homes from invaders. There are many famous Scotch-Irish and Scottish, many past presidents of the US.
I am appalled at the ignorance and indifference of these people’s history. Never, was my child asked to do an essay on his, or my roots, Scotch-Irish. It would do the school board well to have some respect for the heritage of others than the Blacks.

Submitted by auntieemm on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:47am.

1233 incidents in about 180 days of school-you do the math. Seems that his brand of discipline isn't working too well.

Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:59pm.

Did you actually see the Channel 2 video?

Particularly the part where the "rhymes-with-'might clash'" (is THAT a better phrase than "redneck"?) girl says "it's our southern heritage! If they don't unnerstand that then they is the ones bein' disruptive! Not us!"

Sure seemed like whining to me!


Submitted by auntieemm on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:06pm.

Kudos to that young lady for having the nerve to say on camera what HUNDREDS would like to say!!
Yes, I saw it twice.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 2:15pm.

The FCBOE should have tried to correct these problems when they were first brought to their attention. By sticking their heads in the sand and telling people there were no problems, they are now watching them on TV with the rest of the county. Nobody in Peachtree City is now going to go along with sending their kids to Flatt Rock or Sandy Creek. I wouldn't. You should have paid attention when people told you their kids were going depresion cause of the enviorment at the schools. You wrote my child and me off as only one, and we didn't matter, now look what you've got to deal with!

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:12pm.

While I think uniforms are long overdue, I appreciate her right to express or embarras herself. If the gutless Superintendant and BOE would act, we could all go to uniforms and be pro-active rather than re-active. Anyone who researches the subject will find positive results particularly in discipline.

Submitted by susieq on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 9:35am.

Go with the uniforms, and there will be parents who expect the BOE to furnish them. Why can't they make one new rule to cover it all: No logos or words on clothing. Wouldn't that cover it all?

Submitted by auntieemm on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:15pm.

It would be a great beginning to solving alot of problems.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:27am.

Nice Basmati - you call young girls rednecks, now she can call you a Towel Headed Camel Jockey and you can call me a monkey again. Do you always make Blacks and Whites angry to make you feel important or are you just a racist? I see you have a tribute to Hitler as an icon so I guess you hate Jews too. I guess if we aren't liberal Muslims like you we are all sick and lost. I'll pray for you.

Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:38am.

I call 'em as I see them, OldSkool. That's why I continually refer to you as a slack jawed mouth-breathing Constitution-hatin' race-baitin' ditto-monkey.

Sorry if I'm not politically correct enough for you. On second thought, no, I'm not sorry.


Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:36pm.

You are a very nasty person and I don't know why you are not banned from this board.
Old school is telling you he is black and he doesn't like the way some of the kids are acting. People like him were who I was talking about being nice blacks with nice kids. The problem is that there is a blind eye turned to the disruptive students because they are afraid of them and a lawsuit. People like you and your race-baitin are part of the problem as well.
You are insulting him cause he is black and no other reason.
What we need is all the good parents, black and white to stick together and ask for respect in the class room and quit pandering to a few.

Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:39pm.

If you'd take some time to review some of the exchanges between OldFoolFootball and me, you might see a different picture.

A couple of weeks ago, OldFool took exception to something I'd said and decided to make it personal, calling me a Muslim and questioning my patriotism, you know, the usual rightwing hatemongering.

Well, one of the lessons life has taught me is you have to stand up to punks or they'll keep on doin' what they're doin', so I got right up in OldFools Then-racially-undetermined face and called him out for what he was: a "slack-jawed mouth-breathing Constitution-hatin' ditto-monkey" (the "race-baitin'" I added later after a number of his posts attempted to recast issues as black vs. white).

Then, AND ONLY THEN, did OldFool trot out his "offended black man" schtick, announcing that by God, he was BLACK, and by God, he was downright OFFENDED that I'd called him a "monkey". (where's that "rolleyes" icon when you need it?)

Please understand that I use the term "Slack jawed Mouth breathing Constitution-hatin' ditto monkey" to describe ignorant people of all walks of life, without regard to race, religion, creed, sexual orientation and/or national origin. And make no mistake, I do consider Old School to be, again in my opinion, one of the most ignorant people to grace these boards.

(I thought about describing him as a carbon-copy of ArmyMAJRetd but figured he'd see the words "carbon copy" and have another racial meltdown)

I noticed, Mind_is_gone, that you singled me out for criticism while ignoring the "muslim" taunts that OldFool has been lobbing at me. May I humbly suggest that you take your situational outrage, shine it up real good, turn it sideways and stick it where the sun don't shine?

Smiling You have a nice day!


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:46pm.

Despite Basmati's defensive rant, if you look at his postings you will se they are all personal and hate filled be they to you, me, or any other American with traditional values. Ignore him - his rants are harmless and he is angry that his country is under attack by the mean old Americans. We should pitty hime and pray for him both while they permit him to bable and after he is gone. Imagine having him in your students class...poor teachers! I think his Lie-con says it all.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:46pm.

No one in this family wants students to misbehave. If mine do, they will have hell to pay and not just from the school. If liberal judges and race baiters have made some school officials affraid of addressing issues that need to be adressed that needs to change or the school board needs to change. All good people want the best for their family - they all want to be safe, secure, and have an opportunity to get an education without the distractions of a few disruptive students - black or white or muslim. I have to agree with the blogger who said if you are having 125 incidents per 100 students you need to get rid of more students and try another approach. Maybe the board and the central office needs to start supporting the Administration (I have heard they do not support Administrators in the county well at all). Sounds like Basmati, who lives just northwest of McIntosh, will be one of those re-districted to Flat Rock and Sandy Creek in two weeks. Welcome Basmati.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:49am.

I think your towel slipped down over your eyes. God's speed Abdul Basmati.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:19pm.

The term derives from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled and spotted by late middle age. Similarly, some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th-Century Virginia, because indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops. While you may not have liked the young lady, I really don't think she qualifies as a hard working, middle aged 'Redneck'; therefor, you must have been referring to the racially charged version.... as previously charged.

Submitted by momto5 on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 9:11am.

The comments by athena are right on! There are so many problems at FRMS right now. How can the Principal or anyone from Fayette County get on the news and say there is no problem. There were many threats made against students that were reported to authorities on Thursday. A member of the faculty was almost pushed to the ground on Thurday trying to protect a student from being pushed in the hallway. The student that PUSHED A TEACHER was sent to the office and then allowed to go back to class and continue to bully other students!! How can the Board of Education or teachers and parents allow things like this to go on at Flat Rock?? I have a student in the 8th grade who has been complaining all year that the teachers spend more time trying to keep the classroom under control than teaching. My child can not ride the bus anymore because of fights and the fact that sometimes police escorts follow the bus home. Why have the disruptive students not been banished from the bus and from school? Another question for the principal! Why is the Board of Education letting this former School of Excellence go down the tubes??

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:11am.

Mine went to FR last year and everything you say is true. My child told of the teachers crying because they couldn't take it anymore. Of kids being picked on till they fought back, only to be kicked off the buss. I tried to tell them there was a problem. The girls acting up in class, the constant jive, that was all disruptive, but nothing was done about them.
Mine is a sad story, because I lost my child over it. My child came in one day and said he couldn't take it anymore. He went into a deep depression n had to have treatment. He almost failed. I wrote a letter asking to transfer him to another school, telling what the problem was. They turned me down. I felt I had a very valid reason. My son said there was no way he was going to Sandy Creek and went to live with his father in another state. This has broke my heart. For all the taxes I have paid in this county, I felt I deserved better. I explained I would move to a different district, but would they help me in the mean time. The answer was no. You can only guess how much I despise the FBOC for this.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:21am.

fair and honest way, but I don't think that is gonna happen. It is not the whites in this area that are at fault, and a lot of the blacks have good kids. It is the blacks that do the jive thing and act up in class, and a blind eye is turned. This is unfair to the teachers and other kids. Untill you stand up to these type kids, who have parents that are no better, this will never be solved. Everyone is afraid of being sued, so they just offer up our kids as a sacrifice. My kid was an average kid and he couldn't learn in that envirement. You expect the kids to take this, and they can't, they are, after all...only kids....
My heart if broken and I will never forgive the FBOE. I am moving, but it will never be to another place in Fayette county.

Submitted by mine_is_gone on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:27am.

sending a letter home saying don't wear shirts to school that have confederate logo on it, and not addressing the Malcum X and whatever else T shirts, is only PANDERING to the parents of the students you need to get rid of! There are good Black and White students at that school. I am talking about the jive heads that neither group likes.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 8:00am.

So....lets see if I got this right.......black students can wear anything they want......any hate slogan T-shirt.....and white students get punished for wearng Dixie outfitters???

Is the principle afraid of the false cries of racism that will surely follow, if he tells the black kids they can't wear their beloved Malcom X hate whitey type T-shirts?

Why is it that when blacks get caught doing something wrong, instead of changing the behaviour, they make false charges of racism in order to get away with outrageous behaviour?

Submitted by southernboy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:35am.

The principal and vice principal at this school are black. The "Real Men are Black" shirts have been worn all year.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:09am.

Are you all clueless? Your school superintendant just received the NAACP award, the Assistant Superintendant is black (Fred Oliver), The Human Resources Directer just hired from Atlanta is a black female, The Principal and Assistant Principal of Flat Rock is black, Starr's Mill has a black Principal, The north end schools are mostly black and have black Principals (North Fayette and East Fayette included). Sandy Creek has a half black population, Flat Rock is half black, Fayette High and Fayette Middle are rapidly growing in minority population (almost half) and my Granddaughter (we are also black) says her school at Rising Starr is turning in to all a bunch of yankee 'wiggers' and trash. Welcome to being the minority in Fayette County - get used to it.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 8:27pm.

This is a clear case of hateful reverse discrimination. Can they sue this priciple personally. Does he have an umbrella policy on his house?

Or is this a mistake the taxpayers are going to have to pay for?

Submitted by star2be499 on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 5:29pm.

You are beyond racist!
black and white schools should remain the same for diversity. You get a little bit of everything. Maybe you should look at some recent arrests. I'll tell you this; do you think all blacks are bad and all whites are good? well that shows you ignorance. There are really good folks in the world and some really bad folks in the world but they are not classified through races. So think about it. "Have a wonderful day!!"

Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:49pm.

You may rest assured, President Bush is doing everything within his power to return the United States to the halycon days of "Separate But Equal". President Bush, together with the Republican party, are both actively working to overturn 50-years of precedent that Brown vs. Board of Education foisted upon an unsuspecting America. Like you, President Bush seeks a return to a kindler gentler time when a Black man took a White man's orders, not his wallet. His "No Child Left Behind" act was a vital first step in this direction, sadly, the dsylexic Republican Congress read that as "No Child's Behind Left" and that's why we have the current pedophilia scandal.

For the sarcasm impaired, please note: the above is intended as sarcasm.


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:09pm.

... to let the person your sacasm is intended for know who they are.... somehow I don't think they are the most intelligent person you will argue with today. Since Hitler was a segregationist who despised Jews, I am surprised you don't agree with him.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:31pm.

Would I still be able to drink from your water fountain masser? Okay Not Again, when was the last school shooting from a black man or a black kid? I really don't go down this road in life (it's just excuses and they are for losers) so I won't go down it with you. How about we just ability group instead of racially group like they do in Japan. Better yet, how about we have that alternative school over there in Fayette with about five hundred students or more instead of 93 they currently have so we can take the trash out of the schools be they black, white, or other?

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:39pm.

Smiling


Submitted by athena on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 7:48am.

The t-shirt issue is just a symptom of growing tensions in the schools in northern Fayette County. The current re-zoning plans will continue to exacerbate the tension. A 7th grade student wore a shirt to Flat Rock last year with a Confederate flag that with text that said if it offended you, you did not understand history. This should have served as a warning to the principal and school council that an even bigger event would happen.

However, the t-shirt issue is merely a symptom of the frustrations students feel in the Flat Rock classrooms where behavior, respect for teachers, and attention to learning has all diminished in recent years. Tbe problems have coincided with changing demographics at the school.

Are the problems the result of an increasing black population? Most of the black students in the school district come from upper middle class, professional families with involved parents, yet many of students choose as their role models individuals who defy authority. In fact, many of the well-behaved black students are often ostracized for "acting white" as if concern for education and decorum were only a cultural trait attributed to whites.

Unfortunately, it took the t-shirt problem to draw attention to what is happening in the schools around Tyrone. If anyone had really been paying attention, they would have realized that families of good students were finding other options for their children, good teachers were leaving, and the principal of Flat Rock had been handling problems in this manner for several years. I just hope the school board does not use school attendance zones as a bandage for the problems.

Submitted by head_ragg on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 9:33am.

The reason the black population has increased at these schools is every time a white kid leaves it creates an opening. These schools have a reputation as macho with the blacks. Blacks in the county ask for permission to go there and get it because there is now an opening. This is one of the big downfalls. And you are so right about the way the kids act there. The black girls wear the teachers out. They think it is really cool to act up in class. I don't blame the white girls. The kids took matters into their own hands the only way they knew how. The letter that went home did not mention the Malcom X, etc shirts, it unfairly only mentioned the Confederate flag. The lines for attendance are drawn unfairly, we have kids from the far side of North Fayette county drug past Fayette county high, to us. I think a lot of white kids resent this deeply.

Submitted by head_ragg on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 9:38am.

by parents that the school board is not going to fix this boundary problem because of the football team at Sandy Creek and Flatt Rock. It sounds crazy to me too, but they all swear the board of education rather have a good football team than a bunch of happy parents in Tyrone.

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 11:32pm.

Can someone please tell me where it is written that the school principal is the ONLY deciding vote on this issue?

I read in someone’s blog that this is the case.


Submitted by RT Tugger on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:02am.

He's not. The blogger said she "heard" that the principal does not entertain dissenting opinions. The BOE's website describes the Board's primary functions as follows: "to develop and adopt policies by which the schools are administered, to continually evaluate the effectiveness of these policies and to make certain that they are being administered as the board intended." Seems pretty clear that the BOE and the superintendent would have a say in this matter. Question is, will they say anything?

Submitted by auntieemm on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 11:51pm.

I read that too, can someone answer that please?
For light reading might I suggest:
dixieoutfitters.com, click on Heritage
Publicity like this makes their sales go sky high.

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:01am.

Student Dress Code
Fayette County School System students are expected to dress and be groomed in such a way as to reflect neatness, cleanliness, and good taste. Student dress should not distract or cause disruption in the educational program or orderly operation of the school. School administrators will be responsible for determining dress code violations. The principal reserves the right to interpret or add to these provisions as the principal deems to be in the best interest of the school, student or the educational process.
The following outlines inappropriate school dress:
1. Shirts and/or dresses that do not cover the waist, shoulders and back
(Sleeveless shirts must cover the entire width of the shoulders.)
2. Tank tops/muscle shirts
3. Pants, shorts, slacks, shirts and skirts of inappropriate size and fit or which have holes
(Pants and slacks must not touch the floor.)
4. Skirts, dresses or shorts with hems above the fingertips
5. Exposed undergarments
6. Not wearing proper undergarments
7. Clothing containing inappropriate language; advertisement of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or sex; suggestive lettering or pictures advocating/glorifying death and/or violence
8. Transparent or mesh clothing without appropriate clothing underneath
9. Trench coats
10. Apparel that is too revealing
11. Clothing that is excessively form fitting (i.e. spandex)
12. Cut-off jeans
13. Sleepwear and/or bedroom footwear
14. Sunglasses (May not be worn inside the buildings.)
15. Wallet chains or other type chains that may be dangerous or disruptive
16. Hats, caps or hoods
(Hats or caps must be stored in a locker and retrieved at dismissal.)
17. Headbands or bandannas
18. Gang related clothing, signs and symbols
19. Body piercing that is disruptive or dangerous – (See note below)
Note: Middle school students are allowed ear piercing only, and high school students are allowed body piercing that is not disruptive or dangerous.


Submitted by RT Tugger on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:19am.

The principal has authority to interpret the dress code, but inasmuch as the dress code is a county-wide document issued by the BOE, it seems it would be up to the BOE to determine whether the dress code is being administered as the Board intended, i.e. whether this was handled properly by the principal.

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:28am.

If the principal determined that it disrupts the educational process, he’ll need to be able to prove it.

Additionally, the BoE will have to write it into the dress code that the confederate flag is disruptive to the learning process.

I can’t wait for that debate.


Submitted by southernboy on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:37am.

How about printing the letter Citizen?

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:04am.

Could someone please post the letter that was sent home with the kids?


Submitted by star2be499 on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 8:32pm.

Your southern heritage was being cruel and unusual to blacks you lynched them even if you thought they did something wrong.because the looked different you believed we were nothing more than trash and punished us for being born. you wanna know why people are so offended? that's why. according to flat rock, the boy who was first suspended was wearing a shirt of a black man picking cotton. so don't tell me it's just your "southern heritage".

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 11:21am.

You didn't pick cotton, I didn't pick cotton - what's your problem. Get the chip off your shoulder. I have four children, two teachers, a nurse, and a pro-athlete. I reccommend you read Jesse Peterson's book "Scam".

Young blood, you have a lot more to concern yourself with than what some white boy's shirt says. If your parents are teaching you that then shame on them!

http://www.bondinfo.org/

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 2:13pm.

I've been following your postings for a while trying to figure out if you are for real. Indeed you are. I appreciate your common sense and practical solutions to the race issues we all face. I admire you for not carrying the "race chip" on your shoulder. I could imagine that is not always easy to do. That chip is carried by many on both sides and sometimes by myself.

Just want you to know that I'm proud that you're my neighbor and I'm sure it would be an honor to know you and your family. My thoughts are that if more folks thought like you then common ground could be established by all of us Americans. Hey! Who does your son play for?

Respectfully,

A Fellow Slack Jawed Mouth-Breathing Constitution-Lovin' Racist-Haitin' Ditto-Monkey.


tampabayjay's picture
Submitted by tampabayjay on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 12:15am.

I feel compelled to ditto Git Reals' appreciation of Old Schools rational thinking and well versed posts. I, too, admire your not playing the race card. In doing so you present a much more persuasive and defendable argument.

I agree with the assesment that the majority of black students in Fayette County are more than likely from middle class families who are trying to attain the best education for their children. It's unfortunate that the actions of a few, both black and white, overshadow the day to day achievements of the many.

The wearing of the Confederate battle flag on t-shirts may be a source of pride for some whites who still cling to their heritage, just as wearing a Malcom X t-shirt or an article with the African continent and colours on it is to some blacks. The problem lies in those who wear these items soley to irritate and upset the other. Being raised in Florida I grew up with black and white icons as well as those of the Cubans and Puerto Ricans who are also extremely proud of the heritage. I personally don't find anything offensive with any ethnicitys' desire to show their pride in their background. Our family lineage includes two soldiers who fought in the Civil War for the South. I feel I should be able to wear proudly an article of clothing with the Confederate battle flag on it without being dismissed as a racist. That having been said, I think anyone who would wear a shirt depicting a black person picking cotton is only doing so to be rebelious and to stir up controversy. That student should have been dealt with as wearing inappropriate clothing and be done with it. If the students at any school cannot appreciate and respect each others individuality and diversity in heritage, and desire to express such in their dress, then maybe it is time for uniforms. It's a sad day when the government has to tell our children how to dress.

Education is the pathway to success. Rather than allowing or forcing this issue to an explosive situation, diffuse it by having the kids learn about each other. The United States is the most diverse country on the planet, learn from each other. Instead of disciplining these students, have them give an oral report to the class on why the icon they choose to display is important to them. Maybe they might learn something from one another, that wouldn't be horrible, would it?


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 2:57pm.

Since I have a lot family still here I will choose to remain (somewhat) annonymous. My daughters would kill me if I didn't since they view me as a bored and ranting old man from the 'Old School'....thus the nick Eye-wink I will tell you that my son plays football and has two years left (we think) before he retires from the game. Although all of my daughters have since changed names, they are all working within 35 miles of the homestead. We are very fortunate that we were blessed to live here before things started downhill racially. I have never allowed my family to use race as an issue. In America a person has opportunities that are not available anywhere else. If there is a better country, I would like to know what it is, where it is, and why it is. If young people would stop worrying about what everyone else does they could actually have a life of their own choosing. I digress - I just like to rant and that's why I get on here from time to time. Thanks again.

Submitted by auntieemm on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 11:00pm.

If the principal had punished the person wearing the one truly offensive shirt and left the other ones alone this HUGE blowup probably would have been avoided. Now he has alienated a HUGE number of folks who would have backed him up if he had done the right thing. Also, now there is a HUGE audience since Channel 2 aired this story. I hear kids are scared to go back to this school for fear of retaliation and some kids didn't show up to school today for fear of what would happen. Now a HUGE number of parents will be screaming down the BOEs neck if they try to put their kids in Flat Rock when they announce the new lines this month. FCBOE-Ban all shirts with references to ANY race at this school and you may be able to avoid more trauma to our students- black, white, hispanic and otherwise. After all, this should be about the students welfare. Let's try to remember that.

Submitted by blabbermouth on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 8:41pm.

for your brothers blowing each other away as quick as they can. Is that another Suthen thang?

Submitted by star2be499 on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 9:20pm.

your celebrating thru your tshirts

Submitted by star2be499 on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 8:45pm.

like you all aren't killing each other either yeah right..everybody does something wrong black or white but celebrating it's not the way to go. oh yeah Blabbermouth you got a smart mouth. and good try trying to make a comebak but it didn't work

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 9:44pm.

You can't spell. You can't write. You can't punctuate. You can't even start a sentence with a capital letter. Dude....You're the dumbest white boy I've ever met. Where did you graduate from Brooks High School?

StarWannaBe you're nothing but racist redneck.

Evil


Submitted by blabbermouth on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 8:53pm.

Not me. Are you?

Submitted by muchtodo on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 5:26pm.

Yes, there is an uproar about the clothing being worn by students who are white. The Dixie Outfitters shirts with the confederate flag. Apparently, the principal told the students these were not allowed, but didn't make rules concerning the FUBU or "Malcom X" shirts. Parents are upset because of this. I do know a student wore a Dixie shirt with a picture on the back of "people" picking cotton. This was tacky. A confederate flag is one thing, but the slavery issue is another. That's not a part of the south I want to be associated with. It's not been a great week at FRMS.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.