Please state specific example(s) of "developers reap(ing) outrageous profits to the detriment of the residents in the US Constitution" as it applies to development in PTC. General and non-specific charges are cheap and lazy.

By the way, how ironic you are carping about this topic and you close with "Vote Republican". I'm a life long Republican but has there ever been a bigger developer ripping off the citizens of this country than the Republican (Dick Cheney) led Haliburton Corporation in the Middle East? How many contract worth billions of dollars have been awarded to them with no bids?

Borntorun, please go back and read, I said, "I can't find the "right" for developers to reap outragous profits to the detriment of the residents in the US Constitution." Notice the word c-a-n'-t.

Actually, the US Supreme Court ruled in Village of Euclid, Ohio v. Ambler Realty Co., 272 U.S. 365 (1926) that local governments have the right to create zoning to protect the citizens. The local governments have the power, under certain guidelines, to determine development/growth patterns. If Coweta and PTC say "no" then we won't have thousands upon thousands of fellow commuters added to our roads.

However, there are no laws on the books that state the zoning can't be changed any time the government wants to do so. The land use plan is supposed to be a guidance tool for future development and zoning.

The direction Coweta chose for the big TDK development land was 1 - 2 acre residential. The proposed project is a total contradiction. It was stated at a PTC council meeting that the direction in our planning documents given for sites like the westside would call for lower density fanning out toward the borders. Again, a contradiction.

By the way, if you don't like the Republicans, we aren't chaining you to the party. You've got other choices: Democrat, Libertarian, Communist - you pick.

Vote Republican

Ain't no Republican with your Dick Cheney BS. Go sue someone why don't you.

Sorry you feel that way GitReal (and really, name calling is so girly), but what I said in the post is factual whether you like it or not. As for being a Republican, voted my first time in 1972 for Nixon and the streak remains intact.

Sorry, but I don't get the sue someone why don't you comment. Don't think I said anything about a lawsuit.

You don't want to take that vote back? At least Nixon played poker in the South Pacific. He was kinda close to real estate developers...read Beebe. Rayguns was 4-F even w/ all those lifeguard saves.

with the lawsuit comment. Thought you were a lawyer dude I know. I'm not a Republican anymore and am not dumb enough to fall for all the Dick Cheney trash floating around. Hey....At least you got BladderQ on your side....read below.

A lawyer dude?? Hey, man, that hurts!! (lol) Sorry, no I'm no lawyer. As for BladderQ, well, I don't know about the cops being out of control....haven't witnessed that happening yet. Don't know for sure but my guess is he's referring to the Tyrone incident, right?

Apparently he/she got a ticket and so did the son of this person. Therefore the cops are out of control. Unbelievable they would dare to do their jobs. This is based on previous posts by this person.

Not sour grapes
Yes, I was stopped after a 1 mile / 3 stop sign "chase." My crime at 8:30 AM... a brake light out. This lead to another charge which I successfully defended in court after sitting thru. 3 sessions(read 3 mos). A very enlightening experience, one all of you blind cop supporters should observe. Short of it he wasted my time and his but I pay for his. My daughter was stopped, actually a couple of times for different brake lights out. She was also ticketed for speeding (suspecion of drag racing?) in the very under powered automatic, POS, I bought her to drive. Did pay that one because I did not want to put her in the position of retibution by our finest who's motto is "to protect & Harasssses." You don't think they pick on the kids? Again, go to Wed court.

The cops are out of control not because of these singular incidents. We live in one of the smaller counties in GA, we don't need a helicopter and the ensuing expenses of shelter, insurance, cop copter pilot, etc, etc. If a cop copter is needed, I would suggest a multi-county compact. Share the cost. Do we really need to send a squad 50 mi away to a shoot out? For experience? Mutual assistance compact? To share in the loot to pay for the heliCOPter? Who pays the widow and kids? Seized drug money or the taxpayer?

The cops are out of control nationally because (going back to the Nixon voter) this country has been on a mis-guided drug program for over 40 years. It began to target 'Nam war protesters and drug use and has now become a beast of its own. How many billions or trillin have been spent? How many drug cartels eliminated only to have another take its place? How many opium poppies grow in Afganistan? They now make meth in Mexico & import it here. How may AMERICAN lives have been ruined by a minor drug arrest resulting in jail time, probation, probation cost & NO way to get a job with that on your record?? Gee, I guess my destiny was to be a drug dealer.
What would a reasonable drug policy do to solve the problem? Maybe de-crim addiction. Maybe make it afforable so that some crack head "don't" need to hit some lady up side the head with a rock in Fayetteville. Maybe keep a drug SWAT squad from trying to make a bust in a public parking lot in the early evening hours..for pot.

It's a misguide policy. The history of the matter is that Nixon made radar avail. for the average police dept and it didn't stop speeding.

What more can be said about that. Hmmmmm...Al Gore invented the internet and Nixon invented the radar.

Come on BladderQ. We've all been nit picked on a traffic offense from time to time. Let it go. It's not like you got pistol whipped or anything like that. As far as the kids go based on my former life as a teen I'd compare it to the movie The Shawshank Redemption. When Andy asked all of em what they were in prison for they all said nothing and implied they were innocent. At least they've got these kids looking over their shoulders lest they find themselves wrapped up around a tree with their pretty little cars.

He's stoned alot and tends to bump into things alot. Hence his blurry blogs, halucinations and the many knots on his head. But other than that he's really a nice blogger to know. I think deep down inside he would like to be the Sheriff Department's Chopper Pilot.

That's him you see running around his front yard all the time holding that stick, dodging around and chasing those perps.

Thanks for the kind blogger comment....I just wish there was more than you 3 old maids...I git bored.
I didn't mention Gore & the enter-net. Nixon didn't en-vent radar but his highway bill funded the local cops buying it (not its intention).
I can handle my own as could Hunter S Thompson in regards to using.
I don't have a problem with the PTCPD doing their job, except when they are out nit-picking and come back and say they can't patrol the cart paths w/out more officers because we are out nit-picking. You know as well as I do they will be back next year and the next asking for more and more. Nature of the bureaucratic beast. I promise you they bring crappy cases to court and if 1 of our smart kids ever gits thru law school and wants to start a career and hang out a shingle he can do it on Wed court.
There is alot of mis-directed policy and thought and it starts at a national level and as Raygun said (or was wrote for him to say), "It trickles down."

Need to call you a name so you can justify me being girly? I might be a touch squirrely but girly???? Did you see the wonga tongas on that Lion and you're calling him girly?

Git real call him doumb a$$ it suits.

Wow....real intelligent posting, there, good buddy!! Nice to see you want to contribute to the discussion.

Oh borntorun you are crying why do you go to Macon tommorow..

Weeping?? Oh, contrare!! Actually, I'm dying laughing!! And sorry, I won't be in Macon tomorrow but will be in Savannah.

Happy one can laugh at one self. I would be crying if I had to drive to Savannah. I like our Peachtree City much better, why don't you stay awile.

Plus I was waiting for Undercover. She signed on and disappeared. I shouldn't have said anything and just waited for her to go after ole Doc. There's an interesting story in there somewhere. I'm hoping to get the scoop on it. Probably won't be as good as BladderQ's kid getting a ticket though.

Good point....I'll give you that one. My apologies!!(lol)

I didn't think they sued anyone?

Yeah, & don't you dare crit. his war record. He was busy during 'Nam. & remember no one invaded Texas while W was patroling the skys (on coke?). Remember Reagan's Dave Stockton, he was in "divinity" school. Don't you dare either to point out that the police are out of control and people were hurt in a car crash over a very dangerous "marihuana" bust. I gotta stop now and go watch Reefer Madness again. Cop copter 0, Perps 4.

Sorry guys, you cam huff and puff all you want and get your blood pressure in a danger zone but development is coming here regardless of how many anti-development posts you put on this blog. We are fortunate to have had little development for as long as we did. I wish things could remain the same, but they aren't. Actually, it's rather nice being able to shop and eat out here in PTC without driving to Newnan or Fayetteville.

Question - You state we have a land use plan and we have to follow it. Please tell me where developers did not build within the guidelines, in other words illegally. I'm not familiar with any. Maybe there has been instances.

If this new developement wasn't outside the original city plan, it wouldn't be called an ANNEX. It would be called the development finishing the city plan.
Even Wiltshire Estates was an add on after thought, thats why they had to add a new sewer and water system. It was never in the original city plan.
The only time property or a city like ours commands top dollar is when it is unique or special.
Our city used to be unique, and it used to be safe. That used to be the main selling point of our city, that and the cart paths.
Now we are not safe, unique or exclusive. So much for property value holding it's own or rising.

Like the Hoovervilles of the depression era, wielandvilles will be our downfall.

I understand what you are saying but again, nothing illegal occurred and that's what I'm trying to say.....so much stuff flying around on this blog about crooked developers making money illegally off of development. Where??

Sorry, but even with the growth and development, our city is still unique....I travel on my job all over Georgia and there's nothing like PTC anywhere. As for safe, we still have the lowest crime rate in the metro Atlanta area hands down. Will it go up? Probably but due to the socio-economic conditions here, it will probably always be the lowest regardless of a few thugs here and there. Me thinks there's a whole lot of Chicken Littles running around screaming the sky is falling when it's not.

It would be silly and not necessarily a good thing if you couldn't amend original land use plans. Things do change. Some changes had to be made in accordance with court rulings.

Hey, don't forget - we even amend the US Constitution!

I've traveled all over the US. And there is still nothing like PTC. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

I've never been anywhere that is perfect, but this is close. I like being able to go out to eat on a Sunday afternoon, I like going to the library, I like seeing a great fireworks show on the 4th, I enjoy seeing concerts (some of which are pretty good), all of this without thinking of cranking up a car. My son enjoys being able to ride his bike to school without getting on a road busier than the one I live on. I enjoy being able to get to 3 different major grocery stores tooling along on a golf cart. I've left out many great things about PTC, but you get the point.

I'm willing to do what it takes to keep PTC like this, and I believe there are many others willing to do the same.

Glad to see a world traveler say PTC is the greatest I agree, I will do all I can to keep our great City one of the best in the nation. An awesome fire work show I think the best for a small City anywhere. I could not agree with you more McDawg. We love to raise our family here we all need to ban together and never let it go to the drug dealers or anyone else that jepardizes our world.

I would agree. I tell everyone it is Resort Living at Its Finest. I think there are alot of Chicken Littles (or in our case the 3 Old Maids). Stuff happens everywhere and when it does (out of the ordinary) that's why it becomes NEWS.

Georgia is all you travel, say this when you travel all over the country and you can say that then BLOG if not go to Columbus.

HUH??

Just underhanded. Things do change you are right.

Hilton Head was developed by the same developer and commands a strong tourist dollar. How do we stack up with the value of property/homes and crime rate and tourist dollar? Just curious.

Well, see this is where it gets into the gray area....when something is illegal, it's clear cut based on the federal, state or local ordinance governing what ever it is. When you say "underhanded", you start to get into subjective territory. What you may think is underhanded may be something you don't agree with but is perfectly legal.

As for Hilton Head, I'm not sure you can compare PTC and Hilton Head (other than they are both planned communities and we seem to have the same sign ordinaces). Hilton Head is a pure vacation/resort area. PTC is not.

I don't know the crime rate stats in Hilton Head but they are typically higher in vacation/resort areas (usually breakins, misdemeanor drug cases and DUI's).

Hilton Head being on the ocean is going to have a higher land and house value. And as for tourism, well, that's a no-brainer...

A better comparison would be those cities and municipalities in the surrounding area and as stated previously, there ain't no comparison.

I agree with Wakeup. I truly believe that if the voters knew on election day what they know today, Logsdon would have gone down in flames.

Logsdon campaigned as strong supporter of the TDK Extension, true enough, but he underhandedly sold the project as a way to relieve traffic on Highway 54/34. That was a crock of do-do.

Now Logsdon is saying too bad, nothing he can do about it. Too bad is right; too bad we don't have someone in office that is willing to fight for the citizens. The developers take the money and run; they don't care about us; unfortunately, our mayor doesn't care about us either.

What about the heavily populated westside plan? Is there anything the mayor can do about that one? And what's the deal with a gated subdivision in the plan? Since when to we advocate gated subdivisions in Peachtree City?