Tue, 08/22/2006 - 5:03pm
By: The Citizen

Around 2 a.m. Saturday morning, Aug. 12, we had a drive-by shooting in the city of Fayetteville. The shots hit two houses in a very nice subdivision. Thankfully, no one was hurt. This was a random shooting, and you or I could be next. Why wasn’t this reported in the newspapers or TV news? Is there a reason this was not made public? Everyone in Fayette County needs to know about this. Police reports were made. Clayton County is not coming; they are already here.


Now I get it. OK for Andy Young to sound off about Jews and Koreans and for Jesse Jackson to call New York City by a racial slur directed at Jewish people. Not OK for former Atlanta Braves pitcher to make a racial slur or for another golfer to hint at a racial slur about Tiger Woods. Has this finally hit home that “racist” is not only just among the white population of America? The definition is now broadly extended to mean racism is when any member of one race makes a prejudiced remark against a member of any other race. Same can be said for prejudice. Now we can rewrite or redefine the term to mean biased thinking from a member of any race toward a member of any other race.


I was amazed at the comment by the teacher condoning the student that was “bullied,” took weapons on school premises, and was arrested. Does this teacher not know that Georgia laws prevent weapons from being on school grounds? It’s a very alarming thought to know that an actual teacher submitted this comment. Thank you to the local law enforcement and school administrators at Whitewater High School for preventing what could have been a very violent crime against our students and faculty. I hope that the teacher condoning the incident was not a member of the Whitewater High School faculty.


Re: Law enforcement, school officials should have acted earlier to help student. I am writing to express thanks and support to Catherine Sanderson for a well-written letter regarding the handling of the high school student. I am also concerned that law enforcement and school officials ambushed this student for maximum hardship and penalty. They are entrusted to minimize the effects of poor judgment when it comes to the young. I am hoping the judicial determination will recommend a penalty fitting the crime and give advise on how public officials should better handle future similar situations. I remind all citizens that we correct poor judgment by public officials with the use of our vote.


Hey, Mrs. Toney, SMHS is a public school, not a boot camp.


To the person who is complaining about the “pretty police”: Why are you having to be told to mow your lawn? It sounds like you have had to be told before. Here is a thought: Instead of worrying about getting a citation, mow your lawn. Instead of complaining that the code says 48 hours notice, mow your lawn. Instead of whining in the Free Speech, mow your lawn. If your lawn is over 12 inches high, it is gonna be weeds. I wish Code Enforcement would write you the ticket right away and not give you a notice. Mow your lawn.


Mayor Harold Logsdon is a fraud. Logsdon, Fred Brown and Joel Cowan assured everyone that Logsdon was a financial whiz kid who was going to reduce our tax burden. Logsdon spoke out vehemently at a city council meeting in late 2005 and demanded the millage rate to be rolled back. The financial impostor didn’t say “maybe, possibly or perhaps.” He consistently advocated cutting the budget and rolling back taxes. He, in fact, also complained that it was difficult for seniors on a fixed income to pay more taxes, a true statement to be sure, but he went 180 degrees in the opposite direction and raised our taxes anyway. I didn’t enjoy the deliberate statement to the letter writer making him aware you know where he lives. Stop carousing in the local taverns and start caring about the citizens.


Suggestion, once the six-lane interstate through the heart of Peachtree City is complete, let’s rename it the Logsdon Industrial Parkway. This way, we can always remember who to thank.


I thought Steve Brown’s letters were long. We have a new record. Mayor Logsdon can fudge around the issue all he wants, but what he did was lie in the public meetings, as a candidate, about reducing taxes. You can’t find a single leader on the entire city council. However, I do applaud Councilman Boone for having the composure and the gumption to take a stand and actually ask for justification for individual line items in the budget. When they couldn’t give him the answers he wanted, he voted against the budget. What happened to the other members of council?


Poor Mr. Trapaga proved if you write a letter in the newspaper that the mayor will start pulling files on your house to see what he can get on you. Too bad he didn’t work that hard on the budget. Ask the seniors that wanted the Gathering Place expanded if you can trust Harold Logsdon.


A lot of people make mistakes in their 20s, yet people do not hold it against them all of their lives. Where is our compassion? Harold Logsdon, in actual fact, did generate some pledges and later walked out on them, but that’s true of the political process in general. Our congressmen do not keep their promises, and we hear very little anger directed towards them. Mayor Logsdon is taking a progressive approach to leading our city. He is seeking out the development community who were rejected by his predecessor. He is not dismantling our quality of life; instead, he is brewing a new and better vision for us all. Mayor Logsdon is well beyond his 20s, but surely he deserves the same type of empathy.


Mayor Logsdon has turned the city government into the local Gestapo. If you complain like Trapaga, all the forces of the government will be focused against you. Never forget the mayor has the city records and knows where you live. It was alarming that the mayor could not just answer the Trapaga’s claim, but he also had to pull the records on him. We are back to the old days of Fred Brown authoritarian-style government. Logsdon has lied again and again but don’t confront him with it openly or you’ll end up on his hit list.


Mayor Logsdon’s defenses of his failed tax pledges simply underline one facet of a much larger crisis: an unmitigated lack of principled leadership. It appears as though Peachtree City has a full-blown case of using lying and deception to bypass the citizens. The mayor proudly announced that he was using our taxpayer dollars to pay off the illegal deeds of the development authority. Next, the mayor made his Napoleonic sewer march to Coweta County, assuring local officials in Senoia the sewer deal for their expanded growth would happen. He then told a series of lies to scores of senior citizens regarding the expansion of the Gathering Place. The mayor personally negotiated the deal for the TDK extension property which secured an unreasonably high profit for one of his largest campaign contributors at Pathway. Officials with Group VI Corporation also assisted Logsdon with his campaign, and now they are asking for an annexation after clearing the property so they won’t have to abide by the city ordinances on tree buffers. He wholeheartedly supports a high density annexation plan on the Westside that is in total contradiction with the growth principles within the city’s land use plan. This kind of unprincipled leadership will totally erode public trust in the city’s ability to confront our serious issues in a respectable manner.


I have never seen a man work so hard to try to make people believe that he didn’t say what he really said. In his 2005 campaign, Mr. Logsdon demanded a tax roll-back, in public meetings, no less. He also said he would cut the budget and roll taxes back if elected. Instead of offering excuses, he should have just apologized. Taxes are not the only issue where he’s side-stepped the truth.


After reading Harold Logsdon’s excruciatingly long letter, we came to the conclusion it was nothing more than a deplorable attempt to defend dishonesty. Our family was told the city could not help with our flooding problem from runoff. We were told that the storm water utility can’t pay for anything to aid private property owners. Months later, the mayor approved to spend over $100,000 to assist a private homeowner in the Fairfield subdivision. You can’t believe the two-faced mayor. What about the other families suffering from flooding problems?


People are worried about the current tailspin that is afflicting Peachtree City. The bad press, crime, unkempt byways, and the lust for expanding development outside its borders can all be attributed to a moral leadership vacuum. The traditional values that forged Peachtree City have been abandoned by those in charge. The run to please the good ol’ boys has bypassed common Judeo-Christian principles in that community. Even for those of us living in the unincorporated county, the outlook is not bright, as Peachtree City has an influence on us as well. We are all being hustled down the road of marginal returns that ends in a barren cul-de-sac of lies, corruption and the ruin of the lifestyle that we wished for our children. As Peachtree City goes, so does the rest of the county.


I had my concerns when we moved to Georgia, mostly because I am in a interracial marriage. I was worried on how we would be treated and the comments that would be made toward us as well as our children. One of the reasons why we chose Peachtree City, was because of the mix of people that have moved here from all areas. I was hoping that the residents here would be more accepting of us, and not have racist or shallow views. After reading some of the letters in the Free Speech section, the concerns that I had are becoming more and more true. I feel that is so sad that there are still people who judge a person’s character and lifestyle based on their skin color. That there are residents here that blame certain children of committing crimes simply because of where they live. How can some people be so shallow and cruel? Underneath our skin, we are all the same, we all cry tears and we all have feelings. So with that said I ask the residents in Peachtree City to just think for a minute about how you would feel if it you were that were being judged. How you would feel if someone wrote cruel and racist remarks about your race? I also ask that the next time you walk by a person of another race you take a minute to say hello. That you hold a door for someone of another race then yourself, that you simply treat them the way you want to be treated. Everyone deserves that regardless of the color of their skin. We need to stop stereotyping and start accepting one another. We need to stop hating and start understanding and make an effort to know one another. When I met my husband, it was his kindness and his loving heart that made me fall in love with him. He is a good, caring, loving father and husband and I wish that certain people could know that about him before assuming negative things because of the color of his skin. As I look into my baby girl’s eyes and tell her stories and we laugh together, a part of me feels sad as well. She is still so young and innocent and has no idea that one day someone will not like her because of her race. How do I prepare myself for that? She has so much spirit and kindness in her heart and it truly hurts me to know that not everyone will give her a chance to share that with them. I hope this reaches someone’s heart and maybe changes at least one person’s way of thinking. Life is too short to have so much hatred. We are all human and deserve to be treated fairly and with respect.


The unique color and extra sediments in Lake Kedron is not from ”buffer violations.” It is from the clear-cutting and development that was done for the new Target Center and now next to World Airways for a new Peachtree City office complex. I’m no scientist and I didn’t spend thousands of dollars in aerial photographs to figure that one out. One day I drove north on Peachtree Parkway. I just happened to look right and left and noticed all of the extra major development we have had this year on the streams that feed into Lake Kedron. Maybe we should dredge Lake Kedron next.


Being frustrated at the lack of restaurants in this area, my friend and I decided to try the Red Room after reading the opinion of F C. Foodie. We are in desperate need of interesting and new styles of restaurants in Fayette County. However, “good” must be one of the words to describe them. The interior of the restaurant was attractive, granted, but what we ate and the price we paid is another issue. For close to $10, we each had a glass of water and a tiny salad. We ordered the shrimp and mango/papaya salad (I think a couple of papaya chunks were in it). There must have been about five shrimp mingled with the salad of greens, and a couple of strips of cucumber. That was it. The salad was very good, but certainly not substantial enough for even an appetizer. No bread was even served. Overall, I expect to pay for quality, but quantity has to be part of the equation. The prices for all lunch items, in general, were a little high.


I always wanted to vacation in Mexico, but being such good neighbors, they saved me the trip and all came here instead.


Illegal immigration has been shoved down our throats for decades by fat-cats and their pet elites.


When did the construction trades migrate from middle class wages to “work Americans won’t do”?

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Submitted by southernboy on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 8:50pm.

I was stuck in traffic in Tyrone and supposedly there was an attempted bank robbery and shootout. Who knows the story??

Submitted by RT Tugger on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 9:22pm.

Another great job by Fayette County Sheriffs Department. Thank you again!! Another drug deal was stopped, this time in the parking lot of the Publix in Tyrone. I spoke to a SWAT team member shortly after the suspects were taken into custody. FOX5 news has reported that 4 suspects were involved, one of whom fled in a vehicle that later flipped over and caused injury to an innocent person. And yes, gunshots were fired in the parking lot.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 8:38am.

When are criminals going to get it, Fayettenam is a bad place to commit a crime.

Stay in Atlanta so you can blend in with all of the other criminals.

Good job land sharks!!

There was also another shooting in Fayetteville early this morning one officer was hurt, according to the ajc. Be safe out there we need you guys.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 9:41pm.

The shots fired thing is what blows my mind. I think these bad guys have been watching too many Scar Face re-runs and other druggy shows that usually glorify the bad buys while they casually blow away the cops.

Thankfully our guys are not as incompetent as the movies might show law enforcement officers to be. If the thugs were really smart they wouldn't carry. When the law came they would just "throw down", get locked up, make bail and go after it again. Heck, with all the trial lawyers running around with their stinky plea deals and our judges buying into them, why would they want to risk their lives going up against our Rooster Cogburns?

Great job again guys!

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Submitted by RT Tugger on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 9:47pm.

Yeah, the attempted drug deal is bad enough, but the gunfire is really disturbing. It's still too hot outside to go shopping in a bullet-proof vest.

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Submitted by Town-Crier on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 8:48pm.

To further elaborate as to what PTC80 said about needing more police. How about keeping the outstanding force we have as well. Many of the officers are in an uproar over the budget cuts because not only does it affect the department overall, but it is affecting each officer individually because their anual merit increases are being cut, their already sad 2% cost of living increase is out the window and their insurance premiums are going to increase drastically over the next four years. I whole heartedly believe we need more officers, but lets not forget about the ones we already have. Our officers, unlike many departments, are well educated and the majority of them have college degrees, making them highly desirable to other agencies. Don't let our poor decisions drive them away to other departments. Don't discount the trained and experienced! It would be an injustice for this city to be protected by a department of rookies. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!! Don't let your city council punish its employees. I bet the mayor gets his raise/bonus this year. Lets just wait and see.

Submitted by pandora on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 6:09am.

In PTree City, we don't give bonuses. And I don't think the Mayor & Council have had raises to their salaries (something like 10 K/year for Mayor and 7K per year for the rest) in decades.

And the employees are not getting salary CUTS - they can still earn other raises. I wish I worked somewhere that guaranteed me 5-7% raises every year, and charged less than $100/month for insurance. Wonder if I qualify for stormwater manager (KIDDING, PTC Guy).

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 7:04am.

I am sorry that Ambassador Young has felt it necessary to 'resign' as spokesperson for WalMart - he spoke the TRUTH - of yesterday. Many store owners of today have had the opportunity to respond and declare that TODAY in some areas/communities - Mr. Young's comment no longer applies - BUT HE SPOKE THE TRUTH!! I remember when I was working in a school which focused on human and civil rights in Los Angeles - the Jewish parents became upset with a project that pointed out the difference in prices and quality of food in Beverly Hills and Watts. The small store owners in Watts were predominantly Jewish - and the prices were higher and the quality of food was poorer in Watts than in Beverly Hills. THIS WAS THE TRUTH OF THE 80'S! Only after open discussion and eventual boycott of stores that did not supply acceptable goods at reasonable prices, did the practice begin to change. It is too bad that political correctness trumps the truth. It is obvious to all who know the record of Andrew Young - that he did not mean to paint a broad negative picture of all Jews, Koreans, or Arab store owners. But it has been a fairly recent phenomena that small stores in the Black community provide goods and services that are comparable to goods and services that can be found outside the Black community.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 7:37am.

What Young said was: "You see those are the people who have been overcharging us", “and they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they've ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it's Arabs."

First off lets’ compare apples to apples.

How on earth is a small, family owned/operated grocery store going to compete with just about anything? They have little to NO buying power. In most cases have a limited command of the English language. They are locating their business’s in some of the most poverty stricken, crime infested, gang controlled areas of L.A.

Are the “non” Jews, Koreans and Arabs store owners selling anything better? I doubt it. By the way, what other “ethnic” store owners are there?

So now it’s “well I can buy a better quality of bread in Beverly Hills than I can buy in crime central.”

Any store that can afford to operate in Beverly Hills can afford to buy goods that are better and at a discount price way and above what some little mom and pop can.

The price of bread in a Publix ranges from .89 to over $3.00 a loaf and they have 23 different kinds. Do you think mom and pop can compete with that?

It sounds like Andy has been hangin with Cynthia.

Submitted by southernboy on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 5:32am.

I'm sure you're confusing strength of character in this woman with some false assumptions. Having personally worked with her on different projects I have nothing but respect with the way she conducts herself with students and faculty. She is a role model for students. The comment sounds like someone needed some discipline and got it. I wish we had more administrators in Fayette Co. like her. Having had children in this system for 19 years I'd rate her right at the top and be glad for my kids to have her as an administrator again.

Submitted by IMNSHO on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 8:11am.

I've heard nothing but good about her. And, according to the resource officer, 10 kids have already been suspended this year for fighting at school. It sounds like SMHS is off to a good start in dealing with bullies and thugs.

Submitted by PTCMomma on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 7:53am.

Principal Toney is awesome. She deals w/bullying, and believes the victim. I've even seen her do this once when the bully was a staff member!!!! Students need to know that they are there to learn, and cannot disrupt others learning. Toney can't fix Sweat's sweet treatment of athletes and super-parents kids right away but she's working on it, to the benefit of ALL of the students.

Mom to 3, plus a few strays

Submitted by Split Decision on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 10:19am.

She didn't take time to reply to an email request from a Fayette County student (not from SMHS) organizing a service project that would directly benefit her students. A short reply was all that was necessary - I'm not impressed.

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Submitted by PTC80 on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 12:44am.

To all those complaining about Harold's broken promises: Are you actually surprised? This is your American democracy at work people. Politicians make promises and/or statements for one reason: To get elected. You all should know by now that these things are not necessarily going to be held true once they are elected. Is it right? No. Is it going to happen anyway? Yes. What do we do about it? Elect the guy that doesn't get up there and make promises to do anything except what seems best for the community based on the information available at the time that he makes the decision. Finding that guy is a different story, but we'll talk about that later. The problem with campaign promises is that they are frequently made without being educated on the topic. I'm sure Harold did not know that he was going to get elected and then find himself in the midst of a budget nightmare such as this - not that this excuses him from all guilt. The council cut their employees' benefits just to stay at a .25 mill increase. So what do I think?

1. Politicians are going to make promises they can't keep. If you don't like it, then run for office or find that guy I was talking about earlier.
2. Harold made mistakes, and I am not a fan of him at all. However, He did the right thing supporting a tax increase.
3. Politicians: Have the cojones to say (and do) what needs to be done - not what everybody wants to hear. I will vote for you.
4. Peachtree City Residents: Quit complaining - you live in a great city, and like it or not, you have to pay for that (in taxes). If you want your standard of living to stay this way, or improve, then pony up the cash. If you don't care about this, then move.
5. Be careful how you fix your budget woes. Balancing the budget on the backs of your employees is never a good practice. At one council meeting I heard a proposed change in pay scale that referenced a method used by Fulton County (not surprising given the former employment of our planners). Be warned: Fulton County Compensation yields Fulton County Employees. Like it or not, this too impacts our standard of living.
6. Raise taxes. Yep, I said it. Raise taxes, when needed, and keep Peachtree City the beautiful place that it's supposed to be. We are already seeing the signs of deterioration (increased crime, overdevelopment etc...) I went to some of the budget hearings this year, and I would encourage you to do the same. I got to see what the city is spending money on, and how the city's needs necessitate the increase in taxes. Of course we could argue about amounts spent on different items all day, but the only expenditures I really did not agree with were related to some recreation developments that I thought should be lower priority.
7. Think before you speak: One free speech submission read, "I do applaud Councilman Boone for having the composure and the gumption to take a stand and actually ask for justification for individual line items in the budget". That's just absurd. The only thing I heard out of Boone at any of the budget hearings was how much he doesn't want the police to get any money. He seems like he's in outer space during every meeting. You must be thinking of Councilwoman Rutherford - she is quite abrasive, but does certainly demand justification for things, and usually in a reasonable way (something else that can't be said of Boone). The only time I heard of Boone "taking a stand" was in a newspaper article about the 7:00am council meeting that nobody was at. Guess what that "stand" was about. Yep, "No new police officers". If you read about the crime here lately, it seems to me like we do need more police, and an empty 7:00am meeting was the only time that Boone had the guts to really speak out about his odd stance.
-- Ok that's enough for now. This was supposed to be a short post, but the more I read some of these insane posts, the more inspiration I find to reply.

Submitted by dar thompson on Thu, 08/24/2006 - 12:00am.

Yes, there was one who didn't promise to cut taxes, as a matter of fact he said it could'nt be done. On many occasions I heard him ask Harold, "were's your tax plan"?..."just show us your tax plan". Now, now we know there was no tax plan to show. Yes there was a candidate who found a way to increase the city's revenue by over $500,000.00 annually without no additional cost to the tax -payer. This money could have lightened the city's tax load. Yes, there was a candidate who promised not to accept a paycheck from the city without adding improved value to the citizens. Yes, there was a candidate that refused to accept contributions from the developers and power brokers of the city. Yes, there was one candidate, only one candidate, who wrote in black and white his whole political plan for all to review. Yes, there was a candidate who even found a way for the senior citizens of Peachtree City to receive an added tax break. I wonder who he was.

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 1:24am.

Dar, what are you doing on here at 1:00am?

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 6:07pm.

Alright big guy PTC80, you can't have it both ways. You're double dealing. You said that Logsdon had to do what he did on the budget because of public safety (even though there's a lot more than public safety in the budget). You also said he was over spending on recreation and that he shouldn't have cut employee compensation.

Vote Republican

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 1:22am.

Not to be sarcastic, but I didn't really say (hardly) any of that. I really wish you would actually read my post before attacking me.
1. You said that I said, "Logsdon had to do what he did on the budget because of public safety". I did not say that at all. I said that he was uneducated about the city’s needs, despite his campaign for mayor, and made promises that he could not realistically keep. The budget is composed of many items; you are wildly inaccurate in your statement that I blamed this on public safety needs. Read it. I know as well as anybody that there are numerous components to a budget.
1.1 - "...had to do what he did ". I said he had to raise taxes (realistically speaking). I did NOT say he had to do anything else that was agreed to - such as increasing insurance premiums for employees, cutting cost of living increases, and restructuring merit raises to cost the city less. Once again, your review of my statements is incorrect.
2. You also said, "You also said he was overspending on recreation..." Once again, that's not really what I said. I said, "Of course we could argue about amounts spent on different items all day, but the only expenditures I really did not agree with were related to some recreation developments that I thought should be lower priority." I'm not saying that I DON'T think the city overspends on recreation, because I do, but that really is not what I was saying in my previous post. I was saying that our city
management sometimes prioritizes recreation costs too highly, and often at the cost of other (more important) needs. If I was going to argue the point about overspending, I would have pointed out that Peachtree City's recreation budget, comparatively speaking, is approximately 200% over-funded in comparison to other similar cities. If I really wanted to argue the points you bring up, I might also mention that we are roughly 17% under-funded on Fire/EMS services, and nearly 40% on Police services. Yes, I think that is imbalanced, and irresponsible. In the continual struggle to keep Peachtree City the kind of place that it is, I think it's important to spend a lot on recreation in this type of community. However, there has got to be a smaller margin of over-budgeting on it, or that struggle will undoubtedly be lost when the city feels the effects of under-funding other areas of the city’s budget. Who wants to go to the park when you're worried about getting robbed or raped? How about your house burning down while you're sitting in the $100,000 bathroom at your child's soccer game? Maybe more importantly in your eyes; how about your property values dropping because Peachtree City isn't the perfectly safe little city of smiles and hugs that it used to be?
3. "...and that he shouldn't have cut employee compensation." I actually did, more-or-less, say that. I warned of the consequences actually. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that firemen, cops, grass cutters, poop scoopers, librarians, road-kill collectors, recreation coordinators, and other such people make this town the place that it is. And guess what; most of them can't even afford to live here. So no, I don't think that guy cutting grass on Hwy 54 in the 90 degree heat, or that cop dealing with your spoiled brat of a child, should have their pay cut because you're sitting there in your $300,000 house complaining about another $30.00 a year in taxes. I'm an upper-middle class, status-quo white guy, and I personally would not blink an eye at paying another $100 per year in taxes to make sure that the people who take care of me are taken care of themselves. I’m sure the lower-income individuals would not mind either – given that the cost is basically proportionate to one’s lifestyle. In fact, as I understand it, with the County cuts this year PTC could have raised taxes even MORE and we still would have come out cheaper overall on our tax payments.
- Lastly, I'm not bashing Spear Road Guy, but please make sure you understand something before you open your mouth and complain about it. That "recap" of what I said was actually rather comical. It reminded me of the cliché housewife that you see on TV shows, grotesquely distorting what her husband says and turning it around on him in some haphazard attack on his credibility or intelligence. The reply to my post (by Spear Road Guy) stated that I am "double dealing". Maybe that makes sense if you assume the other things he said were true, but I think it's pretty clear that everything in my previous post is perfectly fluid, and not intended to demand anything unrealistic of anybody.
--Actual last thing. I want to make sure there was no misunderstanding about my political alignment because of this. I am not a supporter Harold Logsdon, and I'm not saying he should skate free for any political misdeeds. I was saying that campaign lies such as these should not be a shock when they happen. Honestly, society breeds that by supporting people who promise those things. In reality, I did not like any of our recent mayoral candidates. But let's not forget that he is only a small part of the big picture. Most of the things that actually end up happening are planned by the city manager, and then approved by a five-person council. I’m only talking about Harold because that was the hot topic in Free Speech. If I was going to start griping, it would probably start with Bernie McMullen. Good thing I’m not.
Good night all.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 7:42am.

I didn't really say that: I said this (same thing). Ever hear of geting more out of a police or fire force by intelligence instead of quantity? What other cities waste providing jobs has nothing to do with us. Hire a consultant (by council--not by management) to check it out.

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 10:52am.

Dopplerobserver: Why don't you research the education of our local police/fire force in comparison to national averages. Then, you can report back to us with your staggering figures about how accurate (or inaccurate) your post is.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 11:30am.

What they need is direction and a raise---not more of them. Their education level is only important so far as it takes to learn how to be a cop.

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 3:58pm.

I actually agree with you, to an extent. I only mentioned education because it seemed that you were insulting the intelligence of the police and firemen. That I disagree with, but if you're questioning tactics in leadership then it is certainly your right to do so - and I won't argue with you over your opinion (everybody's entitled to one). "Direction and a raise" is important, but based on the information given by Chief Murray at the council meetings and the council retreat, I personally believe they need more officers as well. A city like this one should not "routinely" have to "hold" calls because there are not enough officers to answer them. That's my two cents worth.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 8:20am.

I would be nice if we could get more out of our weather people by using intelligence. That's almost impossible, isn't it?

We have one fireman per truck right now in PTC. Which probably would be ok until it's my house on fire, and then it will definitely not be ok. I takes one engineer to run the pressure gages and one to actually go into the burning building.

After the summer we have had here, we need more than the 4 new officers we are getting. No matter how creative the scheduling is for our officers, with the number we have this city can't be covered adequately.
It would be interesting to see some research on how effective it is to have cops patrolling. I think it would be a deterent to crime. So far I'm not having any luck on a google search on this topic. Anybody? PTC Guy? You usually are a wealth of information maybe you will have some luck with this.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 7:35am.

PTC80, that was a fascinating explanation of what you actually said. You mentioned, "comparatively speaking,[recreation spending] is approximately 200% over-funded in comparison to other similar cities." If you're comparing us to College Park, sure thing. However, apples to apples, I'd dare say that Alpharetta spends significantly more per capita than Peachtree City on Recreation.

In any event, have a remarkable day big guy!

Vote Republican

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 10:49am.

Is College Park a similar city? No. I am comparing it to other "Class B" cities (I think that's what they called them) - a factor determined by population, per capita income, and other such factors. I don't really have time to look up the article again right now, but if you'll research this before challenging my credibility, you'll find that you're inaccurate in your assumptions again. Go ahead and search for it in the Citizen, it has the exact percentages, and as I recall, we were higher than all of the other cities surveyed. I beleive Alpharetta was one of them, but once again, look it up, I don't have the article in front of me.
By the way, what's with that picture of a girl on your icon Spear Road Guy?

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 11:24am.

A bunch of PHDs wouldn't help a bit, now would it?

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 3:59pm.

Not sure why you posted this twice, but see my previous response.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 10:58am.

PTC80......Where did you get that cartoon picture of Greg Dunn From?

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 4:00pm.

That's funny... Greg Dunn... I just hope you're joking.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 4:13pm.

Ok...I'm joking.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 11:01am.

I know that face from somewhere, I just can’t remember.

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Submitted by PTC80 on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 4:02pm.

It's a cartoon rendition of my own handsome mug.... yea, that's it.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:12pm.

Oh my, people are especially silly this week. Let's have a look:

To the person who is complaining about the “pretty police”: Go get 'em! The time it took the original free speecher to type their initial gripe, they could've had half their lawn cut. Nicely done...

The unique color and extra sediments in Lake Kedron is not from ”buffer violations.” It is from the clear-cutting and development that was done for the new Target Center and now next to World Airways for a new Peachtree City office complex. I’m no scientist and I didn’t spend thousands of dollars in aerial photographs to figure that one out. One day I drove north on Peachtree Parkway. I just happened to look right and left and noticed all of the extra major development we have had this year on the streams that feed into Lake Kedron. Maybe we should dredge Lake Kedron next. Sign this guy up for a City planning job....NOT. I'm guessing that this person didn't go to the meeting. I did. I know the reason behind the "buffer violations" - the County complained to the City that there was too much junk on "their lake".

The 85,356 posts about how horrible Harold Logsdon is:. Hey! Check your neighbor's tax bill today! Here's the link - It ain't a Gestapo tactic, folks. Steve Brown and his fan club (both of them) sure are putting in overtime on the sour grapes.

Guess what, folks! Harold Logsdon is 1)not an idiot, 2)not alone; there are five members of Council that make decisions and 3)not born yesterday. If he "stuck to his promise", Peachtree City would have to make severe severe budget cuts.

Do you want adequate police protection? How about paved streets? Enjoy those recreation programs, or the path system? Well, cut taxes and see what happens.

It's easier to sit on the sidelines and gripe than it is to get in the game. I'm in it, are you?

And now...tonight's poll, since I've got such a fan club from the last poll -

Is Harold Logsdon Bad for PTC?

Wow, people really ARE stupid!

Submitted by johenry on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 9:51pm.

You were a bit wordy. I loved how you tried to defend Logsdon's broken promises. It's funny how the county can roll them back year after year but Logsdon cannot make it happen. It's also funny how everyone uses police, fire and roads (as if they are the only three items in the $30 million budget) as excuses for Logsdon and his council. By the looks of it, he is having problems with more than just taxes.

How do see paying back the bad loans for the development authority like the free speecher mentioned?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 08/23/2006 - 6:14am.

Sorry - let me break it down for those of you who can only read single line responses:

The County gets its money on the backs of the cities.

Wow, people really ARE stupid!

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:23pm.

Where's Jose?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:28pm.

On special assignment. I'm filling in - my boss had to post originally, but he's back in hiding now (had to get out of the rain, his cave was flooded last night).
Wow, people really ARE stupid!

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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 9:57pm.

Say the name out loud and you'll recognize it as the French equivalent of another poster's name here.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 10:05pm.

Where is that clown. Hmmmm.

Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:34pm.

You're becoming more Sybil than Sybil. I mean Janet. Evil

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