PTC W. Village: 1,298 homes, 3,700 more people

Tue, 08/15/2006 - 4:53pm
By: John Munford

Two developers seeking to annex more than 779 acres on the northwest boundary of Peachtree City and build 1,298 homes have filed their detailed applications with city officials.

Wieland is also seeking a rezoning of an adjacent 89 acres that’s already in the city limits to build an additional 335 townhomes. That parcel is currently zoned general industrial.

The proposal begins step two of the city’s annexation process. Both developers sought and received step one permission to develop an annexation plan with the city’s staff, following the City Council’s warnings that initial proposals contained too many houses for the acreage.

Included in the annexation documents filed by Levitt and Sons and John Wieland Homes is a plan to build a bridge spanning the CSX railroad track so MacDuff Parkway can be extended to connect with Old Senoia Road, which will provide the link to Ga. Highway 74 at an intersection that currently does not have a traffic signal.

Levitt indicates in its application that it will contribute on a pro-rata basis the funding necessary to extend MacDuff to the northern portion of Kedron Drive, which intersects with Hwy. 74.

The bridge would be built right off the bat, said Dan Fields, vice president of John Wieland Homes.

Both tracts up for annexation are north of the Centennial subdivision that Wieland is building off MacDuff Parkway. If both were to remain in the county, they could only be developed with a maximum density of two acres per lot.

Levitt and Sons wants to build a gated senior housing community with 752 single family detached homes on its 400-acre parcel; only 260 acres of the tract will be developed, with the remainder composed of open space, greenspace, floodplains, wetlands and streams. They are calling the project “Seasons at Peachtree City.”

Wieland wants to build 546 single family detached homes on its 379-acre tract along with a 5.7-acre neighborhood retail center with approximately 15,000 square feet in stores to help serve the Seasons project; Wieland is calling its project “Connector Village.”

Between both of Wieland’s parcels, the company projects the projected build-out population would be approximately 2,600 residents. Levitt anticipates its build-out population will be 1,143 residents.

The applications have been sent for review by the Atlanta Regional Commission and the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority.

The estimated annual property tax revenues for the Wieland tract were calculated by the company to be more than $600,000 a year with another $900,000 in one-time impact fees to pay for specific projects.

The estimated annual tax revenues for the Levitt tract is estimated at $3.4 million, including both property taxes and sales taxes stemming from the development.

Levitt is seeking a limited use residential zoning and will restrict the development to adults ages 55 and up. The homes will range in price from approximately $200,000 to $500,000 with homes between 1,500 and 3,000 square feet.

Also, Levitt’s streets will remain privately owned, with the homeowner’s association and not the city responsible for repairs, maintenance and improvements.

Wieland plans to include on-site amenities such as a clubhouse, lighted tennis courts, a pool and walking trails. If a rezoning is granted for the contiguous 89-acre site that’s currently in the city limits, Wieland has proposed building four multi-purpose recreation fields on that property.

Levitt’s amenities are more extensive in keeping with the company’s vision of creating self-contained communities for “active adults.” Levitt plans to build a 27,000 square-foot clubhouse with indoor and outdoor pools, eight tennis courts, a greenhouse, and multiple rooms for recreation.

The plans are not clear about the design details of the MacDuff Parkway extension, but the city’s consulting traffic engineering firm has recommended that the parkway remain two lanes instead of expanding to four. Traffic calming designs will also be employed to discourage cut-through traffic from diverting off Ga. Highway 54 where MacDuff Parkway now begins.

Wieland has already donated to the city a site for a fire station and a possible elementary school site to the Fayette County School System as part of its current Centennial development.

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Submitted by 30YearResident on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 11:15am.

See what a wonderful job the unholy 3 have done in limiting growth in Fayette County?

Instead all allowing 1 to 3 acre homesites, the developers go for annexation and promise all that tax revenue to the cities. Then they can do 5+ homes per acre, PTC doesn't care because the county has to supply the schools (in this case, probably at least 3 more new ones) to accomodate the increased population explosion.

PTC government will only be looking at the revenue this will give them and start spending it before the project is ever completed.

Don't you just love the way our elected politicians are always looking out for us?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 3:33pm.

5 homes per acre would be around 3900 Homes, more than 3 times what is currently on the table. On this proposal, the final density hasn't been nailed down yet, I would be willing to bet it will be lower than the article states.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 4:24pm.

I know it varies according to soil and terrain, but does anyone know the mimimum acreage set for Fayette Count for a septic tank by the the State and Feds?

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 08/17/2006 - 10:16am.

for a Septic Tank.

I think most everyone agrees, that this property will be annexed. And it will be served by sewer. I like you, think PTC will do a better job than Tyrone would have. And obviously, the developers would rather have a PTC address than most any other.

Our best bet is, if we are concerned, let the PTC Council and Planners know to reduce the density as much as is feasible.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 4:22pm.

I mistakenly used the approx people count instead of the housing count of approx 1300 homes... Thanks for catching that....

The point was that "limiting growth" was always a rue by the now defeated commissioners. They knew darned well that when they turned down developments, the developer could go to the cities and request annexation if their properties were contiguous, and that way get 3 times the density.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 08/17/2006 - 10:19am.

have a say on this property. IF I was the property owner, I would be looking to PTC also.

If you are a resident of the area, let the PTC Council know your thoughts on this....I believe the density could be reduced somewhat.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 4:26pm.

The distinction between well and septic versus line plays a huge impact on what can and cannot be done.

Plus the Issue of Tyrone.

It isn't all that simple.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 7:01pm.

Annexation, mostly seniors, a cut through road to 74 and a BRIDGE !!! How about that?

Win, win, win - all the way.

Who loses in this?
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Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:45pm.

As we return to our story, our hero, idontknow, is furiously scribbling down notes and passing them to his secretary, Jenny Saypah. Ms. Saypah is now providing the information to idontknow's Mexican assistant, No Se Jose. It appears Mr. Jose is now approaching the microphone. Let's listen in...

First of all, don't forget tonight's poll question - Is the Westside Annexation good or bad for PTC?

Click here to make your mouse dance!

Citizens of Peachtree City and surrounding greenspace! I come to you today to bring you a stern warning from our great blog bully. He has read the article about the amount of homes proposed in the West Village annexation proposals. He has taken the time to dutifully peruse each line in the article. And after much deliberation and careful consideration, he has made the following declaration:

Um....don't believe everything you read.

Nowhere in the article does it state that the "detailed applications" have been evaluated by the City Planner who has received direction from Council to cut the density. If you think this plan is going to go through as the Citizen is making it out to be, please line up in the stupid queue and wait for the Thorazine.

This is going to be beaten up quite significantly, and I believe it is WAY premature to believe that this is the "final application" for either group.

As for the onslaught of traffic, crime, vandalism, and general ne'erdowellness, I submit to you that adding 4,000 more people will statistically increase these amounts to an amount while more in line with reality, astronomically for Peachtree City. But that like a 100% increase when you go from 1 to 2. When you don't have a lot to start with, any increase will seem dramatic.

Let's consider the scale. You'll need to know how to click on links for this one, kids.

Peachtree City's population now is roughly 35,000. Crime in Peachtree City is virtually a blip compared to other cities anywhere. But let's compare it to what is called America's safest city, Newton, Massachusetts, population 85,000 or so.

OK, here's a link to compare them.

So you see that Peachtree City and Newton are really pretty close, but PTC's quite bigger in some other types of crime than Newton. But look at the total numbers below the chart, and we're really not that far off from the safest city in America.

Well, Newton's twice as big in population as Peachtree City, idontknow, you can't compare them!

OK, let's pick a city a little closer in population. How about we aim a little closer to home....how's the crime doing in Alpharetta?

Well, you say, that's in "metro Atlanta", so let's not compare that, either! Guess what, folks....we are now a part of metro Atlanta, no matter what you wish or pray otherwise! If you are really looking to get away from it all, you may wish to start looking down Pike County way, as that's where the sprawl is going.

Peachtree City, for all its faults (and it does have many) is still a desirable place to live. People want to be here, and as long as they understand that other people want to be here, too, they'll get along just fine.

I really can't stand the "close the doors" mentality we get here. While the original "plan" for Peachtree City called for over 80,000 in population (you read that right), even the latest population figures will put us around 45,000. If you think these 4,000 are going to radically sway those projections and send the City spirally into an everlasting decay, you can join your friends in the Thorazine line.

Will the property be developed? YES. Will it be developed to Peachtree City's standards? ONLY IF IT'S ANNEXED. Otherwise, I wish Tyrone's newest residents all the best.

Let's let the City staff take a crack at these "submissions" and hear back from Cal and the Citizen gang in about a month or so when some movement has been made. This article should be "front page news". What should ALSO be, though, is the date when it appears before the Council or in any public forum. On that day, pack up the party bus, call your friends and neighbors and crowd City Hall like you've never done before. That way you can actually know what's going on instead of getting your "news" through this amazingly biased medium.

Way to sensationalize it, Cal. No agenda on the part of the "distinguished gentleman from Wynnmeade", now is there (for those of you just tuning in, Cal Beverly, the Citizen publisher, is a resident of Wynnmeade).

OK - I've had my fun, now it's time to hear from the little people. Don't forget to call me names every chance you get.

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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 5:29am.

Thanks for going to the trouble to do some research.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:03pm.

Let the fun begin.

I have no problem with the Seasons being private.

Yea. Right. Retirees don't go out during rush hour. Hah!

Many of my elderly neighbors are in and out all day. Begining before I leave for work.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 5:39pm.

They are very nice, and will be a nice addition to the area. Between them and Wieland, I'm not sure the area could be in better hands. Do I wish it could stay undeveloped? Sure, but that's just not feasible. Either PTC will annex it, or Tyrone will. Sounds like the McDuff access is being considered, which is a good thing for everyone.

I know many will disagree, and if you really think we could stop this area from being developed I would be on board. But in all my thinking, I don't see what will stop PTC or Tyrone one from annexing this property. Tyrone has already annexed all the way to our PTC's northern border if I'm not mistaken.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 8:11pm.

It's kind of funny that the guy, McDonoughDawg, that made a life or death issue out of rezoning the Lutheran Church is now posing a pro-annexation, higher density platform.

I don't know where McDonoughDawg came up with this "if Peachtree City doesn't annex and develop, we're all doomed" mentality. Then there's the second flaw in the rationale, "If not Peachtree City, then Tyrone will do it." How does he know this? For starters, there's a huge quarry operation between Tyrone's infrastructure and the westside property in question. It wouldn't be a smooth transition for Tyrone at all. Tyrone is just an excuse.

Why does it have to be Peachtree City at higher density? Does McDonoughDawg, Mudcat and the others think that leaving it in the county will make it a bad development (at lower density too)? Go take a drive down Redwine and look at the fabulous subdivisions with big homes and ONE and TWO acre lots. Go look at the latest Platinum Ridge subdivision in the county (next to Peachtree City) and tell me why that wouldn't work on the westside? Look at the Wieland subdivision that's next to Wendell Coffee's place on Hwy. 74 and tell me why that wouldn't work with far less homes, cars, school kids?

Can we really afford ANOTHER tax increase to ramp up the infrastructure for that many seniors and young families living in the Wieland and Levitt sites? According to several on this site, we don't have adequate public safety numbers now, what happens when their territory is expaneded?

This bit about we're doomed if Peachtree City doesn't build it at three times the density or more of the county zoning is absolutely ridiculous. Come on.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 08/17/2006 - 10:24am.

already in most areas in that area, correct? They could easily get to this property.

I live in PTC, and I think this is the best thing. The property is going to be developed, and it will be annexed in my opinion. Not all of PTC is on 1 acre lots, and the City seems to be doing fine. I still say the final density hasn't been set, and we can influence that.

I was clear, if someone actually thought it could be defeated, I would be on board. I respect your opinion on this matter, but I don't think it's realistic given the location of this property.

I would totally be against it, if, the change was to a huge commercial development. If you want to keep talking about the Church, that was a total change of character for the corner, and the PTC Citizens let the Council know it. Hence the 4-1 defeat of the proposal.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 5:56pm.

Their senior community will be very classy.

We don't need another centenial. If Wieland would produce another Wood Creek with 5 acer lots and beautiful homes that would be one thing.....but I don't think we need anymore density. Especially not the kind that is populated with out of control families. (ie...can't discipline their kids, can't figure out birthcontrol, work 2 jobs, so no free time to control their kids.) I think most of our police officers thought they would be doing something other than babysitting for a living.

One more thing why are we building more homes when we have water restrictions in place???. We don't even have enough water for the people that are already here!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:04pm.

I guess it will magically appear.

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Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 5:22pm.

Ummmm, whats in it for us???? (besides a lot of crime)? What are these developers doing for us besides adding more density and crime. Do we need another Centential?? Can we afford the ugly architecture/small lot lines(ie no place for their kids to play)? Does this city need more of this?

I know the developers think they need more money, but can't they find another city to ruin?! Sandy Spring might be a good place they just hired 85 police officers they can handle all of the problems that come from density and families out of control.

A fire station and school are not enough. Add a jail/boot camp/juvie, along with full staff to take care of the problem teens, and we may have a deal.

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:15pm.

point, skypie, people who buy $500,000 homes are the posters for crime!

Worst citizens in the world, those rich dudes, always in jail so Murray can set up precinct # 1 right in the middle of this new development. Go for it, pie!!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:38pm.

Most of the crime here has been committed by middle to upper class kids, they have the money from their parents for the drugs, and they have too much free time. God forbid any of them would have a partime job, or chores. Their parents for the most part are up to their eye balls in interest only mortgages, and jumbo loans to live way beyond their means (hence the 2 jobs to pay for it all).

Yeah these kind of people would be a greeeaaat addition. I can hardly wait.

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 1:50am.

Weiland "projects" as I call them, are part of it. Yeah, Wood Creek was nice, and that was the end of it. Since, he has built over crowded, school ruining "projects", that no one is happy with. While I am on a roll, I would also like to mention, some think there is a lot of creative financing going on too. He builds these houses big enough for 3 families and then people rent them. You have to ask yourself what kind of a person can afford to rent a house for $2500.00 a month, but can't qualify for a loan to buy one? That is a large part of the problem. Another is the police and courts here. You hire more police and instead of them going after the gansters, they go for kids and little old ladies. They don't have the balls to go for the real guys. Then we have the courts and the judges. When I first moved here, I couldn't believe it. I went to traffic court and it was a joke. The towns are into preying on the average taxpayer for going 1 mile over the speed limit or whatever and throw the book at them. In other words, they drive the taxpayers crazy and letting the thugs go free. Until you clean up the courts and really look hard at what we are getting for judges and what laws you want the police to really inforce, things are ...not...going to change.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 5:27am.

I agree with most of what you have stated, except the part about kids being targeted by police.

Look back at the summer we have had. All of the crime here was commited by teens who were "bored". They had no other choice but to break the law according to their parents. Except for the armed robber still on the lamb, and the 25 yr old drug dealer, everything else was perpetrated gratuitously by teens. They are being targeted because they are commmiting the lions share of the crime here.

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 1:59am.

If you paid your police more, and really looked hard at what you elect as judges, this would correct some of the problems. For both, you need to look someone with more smarts than both now have. I was in Tyrone court a couple of months ago, and all I can say is the judge looked like she fell face first into vatt of flour and her eyes were as red as a baboon's butt! It really bothered me that this person was gonna judge me. We have some good police, but the bad ones really stand out. Some of these towns need to quit looking for rev in speed traps!

Submitted by momma on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 6:03am.

Why do you care what the judge "looked like"? Was she fair? Did she conduct court in the proper and legal manner? Court is about legal preceedings...not a beauty pageant.

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 10:19am.

Because she looked like someone just ...unearthed....her! I couldn't take my eyes off the ..bloodshot eyes! I don't know how can judge if you look like you have been up for days. Besides...I am talking about speed traps and preying on the taxpayers for more money...you can't have a speed trap if you know the judge isn't going to back you up can you? We the taxpayers need to TELL the taxpaid judges and police to rethink their list of what is important. Drug dealers or speed traps....I vote for getting the police and judges to work on Drug dealers, not speed traps. But speed traps and preying on the ones you know have money, MAKE MONEY for the town. It doesn't do much for crime.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:59pm.

Except, my wife and I work our collective butts off trying to make a better life for our kids.

I have been blessed with two children that have straight “A’s” and are very active in the community sports areas.

I come from a family of several brothers and sisters and a set of parents that instilled a “work ethic” in all of us. I’ve had a full time, 40 hour a week, job since the age of thirteen. I’m close to 50 now and haven’t slowed down yet.

I was raised “if you want it, go out and earn it”. I’m a firm believer of “you get what you negotiate”; no one ever gives you what you deserve.

If you don’t like something, work to change it, don’t sit there and b!t@h about it. Get off you’re a$$ and do something about it.

My kids used to think I was crazy until they tried it, and it worked for them. Unfortunately now I have one of the most outspoken kids in college you’ve ever seen.

Now I understand the expression, “be careful of what you ask for”, you may just get it.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 5:21am.

Thank you for being a good parent. I wish we could put you in charge of teaching a class on "How to be a Good Parent".

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