When I see comments such as: “You don’t need to take the bus when you can drive.” Or “Now someone is buying a building and wants it to stop. Tell the buyer the school is more important and the parking stays. The purchaser of the property can hit the road.” I see unintelligent people.

Your statement of, "Are you honestly trying to teach them to present an argument, or are you using their lack of experience against them?

Either go with one or the other. The combination comes off as a bit condescending. Let's not patronize or belittle one another.” makes absolutely no sense at all.

What I presented them with was just one possible argument that they will have to verify for themselves.

I'm I going to do their work for them? NO.

Has anyone other than me suggested anything? NO.

I really don’t care if they have a place to park or not.

What have you offered as assistance? What logical course of action would you suggest?

It seems that you are just complaining to complain.

If this is something you believe in why aren’t you helping?

You don’t need to take the bus when you can drive.

You don't need to be concerned about parking when we'll park illegally anyway.

You don't need to take the bus because my mom and dad pay for my car, the insurance and the gas.

You don't need to take the bus because my parents already pay for it with their taxes.

You don't need to take the bus when it's cooler to drive to school.

You don't need to take the bus because my parents like to spoil me.

My parents don't take the bus to work, so why should I take it to school?

Peeeeellllllleeeeeeeaaaaasssssssssseeee!

You didn't read any of the points my fellow students and I made. So be sure to read what people write first before satirically bashing us.

And though I only pay for my own gas, I know of plenty of students who must buy their own Insurance, Gas, AND Car.

Look at the post above mine.

The one that says. “The options”
Submitted by Waka2007 on Sun, 08/20/2006 - 1:07pm.

Now read slowly down to the fourth sentence.

that I missed your critique.

But the face remains that you focused your attack on one aspect without considering the issue as a whole and threw out the other worthwhile points he made

Good, now learn from it!

Your fellow supporter started his argument off with a ridicules premise.

You should have been the one to catch it, not me. You should have responded.

If you want to argue a point, get your team together. Get your facts straight, present an insightful, to the point, stress the benefits argument.

Please go back and discuss this topic with your friends, get input from all sides, not just yours. Structure your argument to address the “down side” argument that will be discussed and then go and request time before the city council.

You’re a citizen of the community, you have a right to be heard.

Have your ducks in a row before you go.

If you want to be treated and heard as adults then “do your homework”.

Anticipate the questions that you will be asked, and have logical answers ready.

That’s how you win.

P.S. I wasn’t commenting on your plight, I was commenting on the style.

City Counsel

http://www.peachtree-city.org/

Click on the "Agendas" link on the left hand side.

The email address for the entire council is:

council@peachtree-city.org

I can only think that you haven't driven Petrol Point when it is full of MHS cars. Without the cars, this street isn't the easiest to navigate (whoever designed it had to have been drunk, when they okayed the last 2 curvers before the light at Hwy. 54). When lined with cars, traffic is almost one-lane, and at near Hwy 54 it is an accident waiting to happen.

Actually, IMNSHO, I have driven it, albeit not since last March. Quite frankly, I don't remember it as being "dangerous". I don't remember it as being anything out of the ordinary, to be honest.

Ironically, I have some business to conduct out there this morning so I'll make a point of looking out for what you've mentioned. I may revise my opinion tonight.

Well, I finally got out there today. It seems I was confusing Prime Pointe with Petrol Pointe. I drove on Prime Pointe and saw no problem whatsoever.

Then I drove by Petrol Pointe and realized I'd gotten the two roads mixed up. Petrol Pointe IS a mess with cars on both sides of the street.

Sooo, you were right and I was wrong, IMNSHO. Something should be done about that congestion there...I did notice there was plenty of parking remaining on Prime Pointe.

I thought it was Prime that ran behind te school, and Petrol that ran between the Dairy Queen and Huddle House. I even looked on a map, and thats what it shows. Am I totally confused?

No, you're right. Petrol pointe is that small road connecting Prime Pointe to hwy 54 near DQ and Huddle House. It's also the shortest distance to the back gate of McIntosh so is a preferred parking location for those without parking stickers.

I believe this whole episode is a result of the laughable Dairy Queen arrest last year. From what I understand, the Dairy Queen now gets its supplies delivered from a tractor trailer. Even though the yellow no parking stripes are correctly placed on Petrol Pointe, tractor trailers have a difficult time negotiating the turn there. Last spring, the DQ manager took it upon himself to move a golf cart he felt was too close to his property (techinically, that's called "golf cart theft" but since he wasn't a teenager, he figured it'd be a *wink* *nudge* sorta thing).

Unfortunately, the manager didn't reset the parking brake on the golf cart he stole/moved onto Prime Pointe, it careened driverless out of control down Prime point, went all the way up on the hood of a sports car and broke the window out.

The PTC police arrested the manager of the DQ. Not sure if it went to court.

And the DQ managers arrest and comments afterwards.

If we only had pictures.

Why doesn’t the school validate a “NEED” for parking as it does for county residents?

If kids are driving to school because it’s “COOL” they get their parking stickers revoked.

Students that have a valid “NEED” to drive to school are the only ones to get parking stickers.

Things such as participation in spots, band, a job, a need to transport others, car pool (3 or more) or church.

I'm not so sure the city council would even take the time to speak with the students. The new mayor does not come over as a warm and fuzzy guy.

Yeah, that's the kind of comment I'd expect to hear in PTC. NONE of the students who park there, or anywhere else that is not the school parking lot, are going to be willing to change -- that's my bet, anyways. And I don't want the city to cater to the spoiled brats who don't want to take the bus. I still stand by my previous suggestions. Driving to school is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT, and student parking should ONLY be on school grounds.

What do you have against us MHS students? I have approximatly 2-3 hours of "free" time after football practice. During this time i have to finish my homework, eat dinner, take a shower, and maybe have some type of social life, while keeping my 4.0 GPA. You adults keep bashing us teens but most of us are really hard working student athletes with barely any time to do much else but school and sports. Am I saying it's a bad life? No, by all means I love all my classes and I LOVE FOOTBALL!!! However it's people like you that try and prohibit me from doing things that make me excell in life. Just because you may have had no life in highschool and unfotunatly ridin the bus all four years gives you no right to take away or even talk about taking away my God given right to park there. Was it illegal? No it wasn't and I'm going to fight to have it back.

and be diplomatic.

One foot on the floor

"even talk about taking away my God given right to park there"

God gave you FEET, your parents gave you a golf cart. To steal your shoes, break your legs and make you crawl to school might be taking away a God given right. To limit parking your golf cart anywhere you want has nothing to do with God.

Just because students would like to drive to school you call them "spoiled brats"? WOW. I grew up with much less than some of the students at MHS, but I drove to school my junior and senior year. I don't recall being labeled a spoiled brat for it though. Throttle back a notch there chief. Hopefully the MHS administration and students as well as the city can come up with an alternative that is win-win for all parties.

The "brat" part may be going too far, but I stand by the "spoiled". And just because you grew up "with less" and drove to school, doesn't mean that all of those kids need to be doing it, too. If we have the parking ON SCHOOL PROPERTY for them, fine. But if there isn't room on school property, then they need to NOT be driving to school, whether it be a car OR a golf cart.

Driving isn't just a privilege for most of us. Driving is a nessecity. I am on the MHS football team and I have to get there at 7:00 and stay there untill about 7:00 PM. From what I know there is no bus that can come pick me up that early and then drop me off that late. Even when i leave school with no football practice, us teens are responsible enough to get out safely. I've never heard of an accident on Petrol point. Unless your blind, and drving a Suburban it really isn't as hard to manuver as you say it is.

I sure can...I conferred the privilege of allowing my teenagers to drive. As such, they are subject to the same driving and parking laws in the state of Georgia as you or I. Their youth does not confer some sort of second-class driving and/or parking status upon them, as you seem to infer. If there is a legal place to park near the high school (i.e. no "No Parking" signs or yellow curbs, etc) then I urge them to utilize them as they see fit.

I'm not going to tell them to ride the bus because it makes YOU happy.

Numerous students have already enumerated the reasons why they prefer to drive to school (5:30 a.m. practices were a big one with me personally). Sports, clubs, study groups, religious instruction (for example, the local Mormon church holds daily 6 a.m. mandatory classes for teens) and work can all impact both a student's and his/her parents' schedules.

If the city council in its collective wisdom bans parking on Petrol Point, I'm okay with that, as long as it is an across-the-board ban on parking and not a student-only ban.

Next topic: what exactly does the $50 per year collected per student parking space actually go for?

We had the same problem at my school. The slots, and it was a slot/lottery system were available for a fee. Way back then it was 20 bucks and you got a parking decal for it. We only had room for the seniors to park. It is a privilege, not a birth right.

I know you people have never tried this before, but try telling your kid no for a change. It is good for them to hear it every once in awhile.

If my car was blocking any street in this city no doubt Chief Murray and his kids would have ticketed and towed me a long time ago. Why has this problem gone on for so long? Why are the police so easy on kids here?

Police are notorious here for cracking down on kids. Some of us even joke around saying they pull us over for driving uner the infulence of being teenage. This is not illegal...or it wasn't illegal so there was no reason why we shouldn't park there. Once again it isn't a privalege it is our right to be able to participate in school sports and activities that the buses can't take us to. No one really knows the situation except for us teens that actually wake up a 5:45 in the morning to be able to get to 0 period or other activities. Is it fair for parentsto have to drive us to and from school every day at early hours? No, I don't think my parents should have to drive me to school. You adults always tell us to grow up and be more responsible. We made commitments to our teammates, coaches, and teachers to be at meetings and practices and it's our responsibility to get to and from them.

You sound really cool. Sounds like you have it together and you are going somewhere in life.
It still seems to me like the police are easy on you guys because you are kids. It just seems like they give you guys a lot of slack on stuff I could never get away with, but...whatever.
Is there any space where they can add an extra parking lot, and have the parking sticker fee pay for it?

Thanks for being one of the good teens we have in our city. Best of luck with everything.

The property owner has not rights or say so regarding the use of his property? He should just "hit the road"? What in the heck are you saying????

I'll stop right now lest I be accused of being confrontational and intolerant to someone who would post such a {{{Insert Your Own Word}}} comment.

So....That means that I can park my double wide on the MHS football field because it's public property. That away I won't have to pay rent down at the ole trailer park anymore which means I won't be ruled by the dollar. With me moving on the football field and you parking on the road this means that foreign countries will no longer be able to buy us up. I like that plan.

???????????????????????

Real Dumb would be me if I bought into your reasoning for the posts you made trying to justify your parking in a perhaps hazardous manner. Not to mention your entitlement attitude and statment that inferred that as long as you tried to do good in school we should overlook all the other inconsiderate actions you guys make.

It's ok though Not Again. I was the same way at your age and I can promise that you will grow up too.

Respectfully,

The Dumb Jack Ass

I have been staying out of this one.

But it is true that area does not have a grandfather clause for legal congested parking. Should have been dealt with a long time ago.

And it is true that too many are driving. Take a bus. Not going to kill anyone.

Also true, although figuratively said, if students can park there why cannot others just stick vehicles there to get them out of the way for awhile.

I don't have a clue where students suddenly think they have such massive rights. Schools and cities, almost everywhere, have always restricted parking around schools.

Take the bus. Get off the ego trips.

Not everyone has a job immediately after school where they need to be driving.

Now, back to Git Real.

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.

But many do need a car to get to their job, or to get to soccer practice, or any other extracurricular activity.

As per the "In my day" argument...that is exactly what it is...in your day. But times change, lifestyles change. Just look at cell phones, internet service, even home computers. Spoiled is no longer an Atari, the standards have risen.

You don't think there were not jobs, practice and such then, as well?

The point being the buses are there, paid for, and those who do not need cars do not need to drive.

NEED. The key word.

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Just disappointed that I don't think these young folks really understand and appreciate what they really have. Guess I'll skip my story about walking barefoot through the snow uphill, both ways to school everyday. I was privileged enough to be able to ride the bus on those muddy dirt roads. Well...guess I'll sit back and wait for BW to attack.

Actually is was quicker for me to walk through the woods to get to and from high school.

It only took about 15 – 20 minuets. The bus had to go all over the place and took close to 30 minuets.

Could you imagine if any of these kids today had to WALK to school?

No. I could not.

School was too far away for me to walk.

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I grew up on a farm in Indiana. Rode the bus all 12 grades.

Path, not driveway, to pick up point was about 400'.

Does not sound like much until it is pouring raining, is covered in snow up to the knees, melting slush and so on.

I survived. And did not walk around jealous of the few who could afford to drive, and were allowed permits for the limited parking available.

Heck, didn't have a car. Could not afford one.

Yep, they don't get it how soft they have it around here. Still plenty of poor folk with kids that do the 12 year stint all over the country.

Spoiled, Really, when they do not see it as a bennie instead of a personal right.

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Someone understands us MHS students that want to excel in life.

parking on a street have to do with wanting to excel in life?

Forgive me.... or humor me one and explain these statements.

Parking on the streets hold responsibility. You start to take care of yourslef. You don't have to rely on others for you. Its the starting of growing up.

I'll keep that in mind next time I'm parking in a controversial manner. When the law man comes to chase me off I'll tell him to but out....I'm trying to grow up here. Never tried that one before.

Bad PTC....What good is public transportation going to do in Fayette County when even our kids are too good to ride the bus?