Student’s arsenal: Sniper rifle, ninja sword, 3 other guns, flex cuffs, 150 bullets

Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:34pm
By: John Munford

Robin Kittrell

A Whitewater High School senior who brought two rifles and two handguns to campus in his car on the first day of school Monday had access to guns at his home with parental approval, according to Lt. Col. Bruce Jordan of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department.

Another deputy remembered the student complained often of being bullied while in middle school.

Did Robin Kittrell, 17, of Carrollwood Drive in south Fayette County intend to take hostages or shoot anyone? “We don’t know if he had it in his gut to do it or not, but he definitely had it in his head,” Jordan said.

Deputies also discovered 25 “flex cuffs” in a utility belt, plastic ties that are normally used by police to bind the hands of suspects when regular handcuffs aren’t available, Jordan said.

“That was what scared me the most,” said the chief detective, alluding to the possibility that the student may have intended to take hostages during an attack on the school.

Kittrell, a member of the high school’s first senior class, was charged with six counts of possession of a weapon on school property and one count of possession of a concealed weapon after deputies found the sniper rifle, another rifle and a revolver inside his 1991 Volvo Monday morning. Officials also found more than 150 rounds of ammunition and a black outfit including a hood and military-style pants.

At his rural home, Kittrell competed with his father on the family’s shooting range, and his father told sheriff’s detectives that the straight-A student planned to go to West Point for a military career, Jordan said. The family lives on a 12-acre parcel in south Fayette County; Kittrell’s father works for the Federal Aviation Administration but was on leave this summer due to a health issue, Jordan said.

Also found in Kittrell’s car was a pair of binoculars, a large “ninja” style sword at least three feet long and a belt that included two “speed loaders,” devices that are used to quickly reload a revolver with six shots, police said.

Kittrell told detectives why he brought the weapons to school, but Jordan declined to divulge that information other than to say Kittrell’s story was “ludicrous.”

Among the offensive gear found in Kittrell’s car was:

• A .22-caliber Colt competition rifle;

• A .30-cal. Carbine rifle;

• A .38-cal. Colt six-inch revolver; and

• A .22-cal. Colt competition semi-automatic handgun.

All the guns had been owned by Kittrell’s grandfather, uncle and father, and they were taken from a gun safe at the family’s home, Jordan said.

School spokesperson Melinda Berry Driesbach said Kittrell did not tell school officials why he had the weapons and other gear in his car.

“To say that he planned an attack on the school would be pure speculation at this point,” Berry-Driesbach said.

A search of the Kittrell home turned up nothing written in terms of any possible plans Kittrell had, but detectives seized his computer and will have it analyzed to see if it contains further evidence, Jordan said.

The investigation began when school principal Greg Stillions got information that Kittrell had brought a weapon on campus, Jordan said. Stillions then called Kittrell to his office and had the student searched, turning up a switchblade knife, Jordan said. Campus officials then searched Kittrell’s vehicle where the weapons cache was found, Jordan added.

“The safety of the students was never in question and never compromised,” Berry-Driesbach said.

Sheriff’s detective Tommy Pope recalled meeting Kittrell when the teen was a student at Whitewater Middle School. Kittrell would often come to the school office to complain that he was being picked on, Pope remembered.

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Submitted by meow-mix on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 3:48pm.

i'm a WHS student in the band as well. also played in the low brass section with him.

so have yall ever met a guy that's sooo protective and sooo polite?

i have! and his name is Robin. He was always on task and making sure everyone was inlign. so what? maybe he had to have things perfect. is that supposed to mean he's weird? maybe. but to use that against him AFTER all this has happend? no. he was the guy that stopped other guys from making fun of me or picking on me. he always said hello and asked what was wrong. He is sooo talented, he plays bassoon, trumpet, trombone, and tuba. he has a great singing voice too! if only yall knew him the way the band knows him. My friend was having a vveerry bad day once at band camp. It was her birthday too. so you know what he did? he brought her a big thing of flowers. he was sneaking out to the consession stand to put them in some water but we were sitting on some stairs and saw him. he just laughed and brought them over to her. and actually he has worn more than just black. and what's wrong with black?

If Robin was hiding something then it must have been hard to hide. This guy is so amazing and this situation upsets me so much. So i wouldn't say anything if you don't know all the details about him, or if you don't know him.

-close friend

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Submitted by Basketball Mom on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 9:04am.

"I am just giving you a hypothesis for your question. I believe if he is not in school it is not un lawful for him to carry those weapons in his car if they are not consider consealed..IF he has them in the trunk it is legal for him to have. I believe Melinda should have said if he was not on school property? Even if school in I do not believe he is in the wrong about having these guns as long as he does not go to or on school property...For instance if he was going hunting or something like that, he would have a gun in his car to go to his stand, nothing wrong legally with that...If he goes to school he is toast.. I hope that helps anyone may correct me if I am way wrong about the law. ..."

It's called ZERO TOLERANCE. A few years ago at FCHS, a young man came to school and had been doing landscape work over the weekend. He had a machete in his truck bed or tool box, I don't remember. But I do remember he was arrested and put through some pretty tough scrutiny because of the ZERO TOLERANCE laws.

Rob is not a hunter. I believe he couldn't even put a suffering animal out of it's misery.

I know of people that go to shooting competitions and the papers (which we KNOW only print the FACTS *cough cough*) even referred to the guns as competition guns (AND Sniper guns.....did an expert in guns give them that info?) And I know people who hunt. If any student were planning on hunting after school, it would be in their best interest to leave their gun at home until after school, go home, put on their camos on (oh, wait, they can wear camos to school!Does that make them possible snipers or terrorists?) and then go to their stand and kill bambi, but of course only with a proper game licence and only during the season.

It irritates me to no end that Col Jordan stated "did he have it in his heart? I don't know but I do know he had it in his head." Let's add mind reader to his long list of talents, right behind "looks great on camera" and profiling.

And MATTED, you better tell your parents what you posted in the blogs. If you were my son, I wouldn't appreciate the FCSD knocking on our front door wanting to question him without sufficient legal advice and/or represetation.


Submitted by Flydecajon on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:48pm.

So what is it that I am wrong about all I gave is an opinion on what the law is I did not say he liked hunting I do not care what he likes or doesn't like...I stated the law in which someone can carry those guns in there trunk and be legal...The point is do not got on school property...Just sounds like you are mad at the world but I still forgive you..

Submitted by WHSstudent88 on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 10:47pm.

I am also a student at WHS and ive gone to school with Robin since elementary school. I'm not close friends with him or anything but after going to school with him for so long and actually living close to him i got to know him. Ill be the first to say Robin wasn't the most normal kid but I know plenty of kids who are 10 times weirder. To everyone who reads what the paper said Robin seems like a phyco stange kid who was going to shoot up our school but the truth is Robin is not the kind of a kid. He is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and I think its unfair how the media is making him out to be a person he isnt. Yes he did something that he should not of but I truley believe he had no intention on hurting anyone at our school. I mean look at all the kids who have come to his defense. The people that truley know him and were the ones that were supposedly in danger are the ones defending him. Robin is a very smart kid and has a bright future in front of him and this one mistake in his life could ruin all of that. Everyone has made a mistake and Robin just happen to make one that has been blown way out of preportion and could potentally ruin his life. I mean the thought of Robin hurting anyone at our school would never enter my mind even after the events that have happened. Take it from the people who actually know Robin... he is not a hurtful kid, maybe misguided and stange but also very brilliant. Anyone who thinks of Robin as someone who is crazy and came to hurt people does not have the slightest clue of what they are talking about. So please everyone dont judge Robin by what the media says because they know nothing about this kind kid who made a mistake. Hopefully Robin will get a fair punishment for his mistake and be able to move on with his life. Also hopefull Robin will be punished for what he did not for what people think he was going to do. Take it from people who knew Robin... he is not a hurtful kid.

Submitted by IMNSHO on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 1:04pm.

WHSStudent88, please go read "The Stranger Beside Me" RIGHT NOW. It is the true story of Ted Bundy, written by one of his friends who worked beside him at a suicide prevention hotline. In case you don't know, Ted Bundy was the nicest serial killer you'd ever meet. I don't know Robin. But neither do you.
You said, "Robin is a very smart kid and has a bright future in front of him and this one mistake in his life could ruin all of that."
He may be a very smart kid. But he is messed up if he thought in any way that it was okay to bring guns onto campus or carry a knife in school, especially if he really did think he was doing it to "help" in case of a Columbine type problem. He does not have a bright future in front of him anymore. And I doubt he would've done well in the military, if he is as messed up enough to have done something like he has.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:06am.

Are you for real? I can not believe your eyes are fully open! I guess your perseption was off with this one!!!!! I bet you there are some people who also thought Jeffery Dahmer wouldn't hurt anyone. If it looks like a fish, smells like a fish and acts like a fish, guess what? It's a fish! Even if you thought it was something else. It's time to take your rose colored glasses off.


Submitted by somesomething on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 7:36pm.

OH, I am so sorry! You're right! Your very limited knowledge of the situation by far outweighs the opinions of handfulls of people who know him, what could we have been thinking?

Submitted by people4u on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 10:30am.

All Smiles, you must be the All Expert! I'm so glad your expert opinion has brought this issue to light, passing judgment before all the facts are known. Stick to the Enquirer; and about the rose colored glasses, please!

P.S. Do you see black helicopters?

Submitted by ztlkel on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:04pm.

It is so easy to rush to judgement when you are not personally involved. Since I have had a similar "bad" situation with my own family, I can only ask that people not be so quick to judge a news story based on only newspaper and media facts. Noone ever knows the "whole story" except the person involved. Parents are not always aware of all of the events that occur in their children's world. I only hope that none of you have to have your life and family scrutinized under a microscope. I haven't met anyone with a perfect family. Have a kind heart for this dear family as they deal with a shocking and difficult situation that no parent ever wants to experience. Rob's life and his entire family have been changed forever. Let our system of justice work as it should. Rob will be punished enough regardless of what the courts and school system do to him. Say a small prayer for his family as they deal with such a heartbreaking situation. It certainly would be more beneficial than debating the whole event online.

Submitted by frosty on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:59pm.

The mandatory prerequisite statement: Yes, he should be punished for bringing weapons to school.

That's about the only thing thats been proven at this point, and nothing else. At least, that's all the public has been given.

Let's suppose just for a minute this kid is telling the truth. Just a huge leap of faith here, but not moreso than the Columbine scenario...at least with the fact that has been given so far. So, he wants to defend his friends from a Columbine type massacre. Thought process: Sure, if I get caught with the weapons, there will be a penalty, but what happens if I get caught without the weapons? A reach, no doubt.

This kid supposedly was picked on for some time.
Perhaps, being the smart kid that he supposedly is, he figured that at some point the "bullies" were going to press the wrong kid just a little too far, and the recipe was ripe for another Columbine(acted on by others, not himself). Being a supposed chivalrous person, he was not going to let this happen to his friends and classmates.

Is it so far out there that a kid could be so concerned with the welfare of his friends, that he actually took extreme precautions in the event of a disaster? Between 9/11, Columbine, and the countless other tragedies in the past 10 years, it's no wonder he may have been concerned.

We can only guess as to what this kids motives were, until proven otherwise. Only he truly knows what they were at this point. Surely, the scariest conclusion, the most dramatic one, is the getting the most run. Very easy to come to that conclusion, even when given only 1 fact. No matter what your conclusion, when basing it on only one fact, it's very easy to be wrong.

Best case for him, is that he's telling the truth. Unfortunately for him, even if he's telling the truth, doing what you believe to be right may come with a heavy penalty.

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:10pm.

The fact that it was the first day of school shows he planned this out. And if, in fact, he really did bring that stuff to help law enforcement, then he is so detached from reality that we should get him psychiatric help.

It's cheaper to get that help in India or China. Send him there.

Can you say "paranoid"?

I was bullied for an entire year in the eight grade. I never even considered doing anything violent. I have this funny way of understanding reality and can actually fathom the consequences of my future actions.

Try thinking. It's actually quite effective.


Submitted by Matted on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 11:24pm.

No, Robin didn't just bring them on the first day of school. He had them in his car for some months, maybe more, in school and out, school and summer. Were he going to use them to kill, he had PLENTY of oppurtunities. And yes, he IS paranoid, and he has a hero complex, but he planned nothing.

At least that's my opinion as a close friend who knows more than just "the facts" released by the police.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:16am.

You might be right, Robing really didn't have a plan. But, one thing is for sure, a thought entered his head and he was acting on that thought!! Are you wearing the same rose colored glasses which WHSstudent88 is wearing? Take them off and call a spade a spade. Even if that spade is wearing a clows outfit, it is still a spade!


Submitted by somesomething on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 8:24pm.

"But, one thing is for sure, a thought entered his head and he was acting on that thought!!"

What thought might that be? Are you sure? How can you BE so sure?

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Submitted by Basmati on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:17am.

I'll bet Batman is peeved when he finds out Robin took his utility belt to school. What a joker. Eye-wink


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 6:01am.

WSB WEB site news article

http://wsbradio.com/news/080806schoolweapons3a.html

Weapons Seized at Fayette Co. School; Student Charged
(WSB Radio) -- A 17-year-old student at Whitewater High in Fayette County faces multiple charges after school officials found a cache of weapons inside his 1991 Volvo in the campus parking lot.

Robin Kittrell allegedly brought two rifles, a revolver, a switchblade, a ninja style sword, binoculars, two speed loaders and 150 rounds of ammunition to school on the first day of classes Monday in Fayette County.

Investigators says the senior told them he brought the weapons to school to protect himself if "a Columbine type thing happened."
School administrators called the suspect an "A" student. Classmates say he dressed in black and acted "strange."

A search of his home turned up no additional weapons. Deputies seized his computer in hopes of gathering more information about his intentions.

the arrest followed a tip to school officials that someone would be bringing weapons to school on the first day. Whitewater principal Gregory Stillons sent a letter home to parents on Monday. In part, it read, "at no time were any students in danger."

Kittrell is being held without bond in the Fayette County jail.
8 August 2006

Classmates say he dressed in black and acted "strange."

I haven’t seen anyone post to this allegation. Anybody have any idea where WSB may have gotten this tidbit?


Submitted by Matted on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 11:26pm.

Yeah. He usually wore a black t-shirt. Other than that, he wore jeans, and brown or black shoes/boots. As for acting "strange", I guess that's what people call polite nowadays.

I've no idea as to where they recieved the information.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:01am.

We should have shot Johnny Cash years before he died, if we only had known!

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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:05am.

Johnny Cash would have been immediately arrested as soon as he set foot in Fayette County. Well, after the Sheriff's dept notified the AJC and WSB-TV so they could have breathless news teams available, that is.

Then LTC Bruce "Roscoe P. Coltrane" Jordan would have speculated on Cash's motives and mental state, and Detective Tommy "Enos" Pope would chime in on how he remembered Cash complaining about the facilities at the PTC Amphitheater (never mind the fact that Cash never played there).


Submitted by johnnycakes on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:06pm.

You are dead on.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:00am.

We should have shot Johnny Cash years before he died, if we only had known!

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Submitted by schnoodle on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 5:44am.

As I read all of Robin's friends writing in saying what a "nice guy" he is and how he would never hurt anyone, I have to wonder, though, do they think this is really normal behavior? And that being said, if he really thought this was normal and acceptable, then who is to say that he might think someone is looking at him in a threatening way? Or that he may witness a little scuffle at school and think it's the beginning of a Columbine incident? Obviously there was some lack of judgement going on here and it could have turned deadly.


Submitted by Bostonian on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 4:45am.

I was amazed at how the friends of this student came to his defense. His character has nothing to do with anything other than he made an obviously bad choice on Monday. The judge is not going to look at the fact that he is a nice student or that he opened the door for others, he is going to see a troubled teen who took weapons to school that could have possibly hurt others. His character has currently landed him in jail for a very long time. Parents, we need to wise up and reteach our children what character is and how to look for it and how to recognize when someone is not representative of the character we want our children to have.

Submitted by somesomething on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 7:45pm.

Okay, maybe it's your syntax that confuses me. I'll read it again.

...no, I'm still confused. Robin's character is irrelevent, but parents need to teach their kids character and make sure they are friends with kids with good character?

Aside from the fact that you contradicted yourself, what does Robin's character have to do with the fact that he brought guns to school? Not very much. What does it have to do with his motivation? Try everything.
Please, please don't make me say it again? WE KNOW ROBIN BROKE THE LAW. OUR POINT WHICH NO ONE SEEMS TO GET IS THAT HE WAS NOT PLANNING A SCHOOL SHOOTING.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Sat, 08/12/2006 - 7:26am.

On liquor, cigarettes, prostitutes, amphitheater viewing (after), local bars, cheating, developing, gambling, wearing lipstick, dancing drunk, or otherwise, tight clothes, flipping hair and rear ends, taunting, just what isit?

Submitted by Interested bystander on Sat, 08/12/2006 - 10:54am.

Using his wife's login. You can usually tell the difference in him and her.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:18pm.

I was a certified NRA instructor in 5 disciplines and a certified National Pistol coach specializing in Olympic style Air Pistol.

And don't laugh. The pistols cost over $1,000 each and could put every shot through the same hole at 10 Meters.

Single hand, no support and aiming at a bulls eye the size of dime at 10 Meters.

It is one of the most disciplined sports there are to shoot. And just about the safest out there.

With that said, I have seen the type you have described here. And upon seeing him I got him thrown out of certification training immediately.

This kind of person has no business having guns. He has problems that need intensive help.

Take it from one who was not an armature at this kind of thing.

I don't kid about guns. And can give you some horror stories of why untrained people should not have guns. And why some should never have guns.

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Submitted by dopplerobserver on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:22am.

You sound like one of those guys who likes to choose more carefully whom to shoot for their ideals, not ones who are a threat to humanity. I have seen your kind also, my friend. So you can shoot a pistol--lots of people can. I'm also glad you are an armature--I suppose that means you can wind people up, also?

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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 2:45am.

And most of those golf carts out there have armatures.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 4:16pm.

Got me on that one.

There are those who use guns for self defense against those who would do them physical harm. There are those who would use a gun to settle any and all conflict with others. And there are those who view themselves as vigilantes, righting wrongs as they see them.

This one sounds like the one I ran into. Set their own rules, wanted to walk around wearing a vest, all the time, be armed every second and saw an enemy with a weapon in very corner wanting to get him.

They are loose cannons not playing by rules of normalcy.

By the way, if you don't understand the difference between simply shooting a pistol and really shooting a pistol, you should not be commenting on that issue.

And no, I do not pick and choose for idealogical reason who should be shot. There is a difference between having a gun for self defense and setting oneself up to go hunting someone.

That was an absurd deduction based on what I said.

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Submitted by ole sarge on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:14am.

I am concerned that your comment “This kind of person has no business having guns,” offers the idea that any single lapse of judgment revokes a person’s right to own a firearm.

As an NRA instructor I am sure that you have observed poor judgment by others and that rather than denying rights sought to teach them correct procedures and behavior.

This young man made a helluva mistake and when the courts and shrinks are done he will be a confused and hopefully wiser adult.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 4:33pm.

This was no lapse or chance mistake. He thought this through a lot.

I know the difference between lapses and skewed logic and thinking, when it comes to guns.

Guns are their own realities. I have broken a lot of bad habits in people and turned several into competitive champions who have taken Internation level trophies.

I know the patterns of distinction between, correctible behavior, and dangerous, illogical behavior.

I said he needs a lot of help. But until he gets it and it changes him, his type should not have guns.

The nut case I got thrown out was trying to achieve a ceritifed level that he interpreted would allow him to take active action in bad situtions he sought out.

This kid is on the same path and must be broken of it before he can be trusted with guns.

I would not train someone, in self defense courses, on point shoot quick fire techniques until I knew they could handle it and would only do it wisely. The vast majority of people do not stand a chance against someone trained for quick shoot.

So, yea, I have a complex view of this issue. For good reason.

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Submitted by johnnycakes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:25pm.

The thing that really grates my nerves about the whole situation is how people are slinging mud on Robin's good name. No, he should not have brought weaponery to school, but that does not mean that he was going to shoot up the school!
Robin is a close friend and is one of if not the nicest and most chivalrous people I know. He would never hurt anyone unless he or others were being endangered by a malicious force. Robin has never and would never display violent behaviors. He is so misunderstood that it sickens me. The law must view it as a black and white case, but the general public must not succumb to the sin of gossip and slander just because he made a mistake.
I don't know where Bruce Jordan guy comes off saying what Robin's intentions were. He is completely out of line. Robin is a wonderful soul that no one has taken the time to know because of a few eccentricities that he has.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:31am.

What in the world is wrong with Whitewater Students? Did the teachers pass out rose colored glasses to everyone? I am floored!!! Bruce Jordan out of line? NO? YOU ARE OUT OF LINE!!! Robing might have never DISPLAYED violent behaviors, but guess what, they were clearly in his head!!! No one takes all of that to a school just to pick flowers. His actions were due to a thought which entered his head at some point and he was acting on that thought. News flash.....the law is very black and white in this case. Take guns, knives to school.......go to jail. PERIOD!!!!


Submitted by johnnycakes on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:36pm.

You obviously are one of those that acts off pure speculation. Apparently you don't know all of the the facts. While he should pay for his crime, this is not in all black and white. The slander that you have so graciously provided against my dear friend frustrates me, and I wish that you would speak only of what you know. I don't know all the facts either, but since I am a close friend that is uninfluenced by the media I belive that I know just a little bit more about this than you.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 3:37pm.

that prior to the Columbine Massacre, one could have spoken glowingly of those two shooters as well. I don't think for a moment he bought those weapons for show-and-tell.

Submitted by healinghands on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:24am.

"he would not hurt anyone unless he or others were being endangered by a malicious force"

That statement in itself is a little scary to me. I have 2 nephews that are students at Whitewater and the fact that this happened is troubling me. Robin's friends that are defending him...do they all believe that there a "malicious forces" happening at WHS that would justify him "packing" armory?

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:25am.

I shutter to think that our sheriff knew since last May about a guy carrying guns and stuff to school and did nothing about it until school started. We seem to want to set up people for cameras and print instead of heading off trouble.

Submitted by snitch on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:28am.

Yep, thats what they are all about.
Amazing what comes out of the woodwork.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:27am.

Go take a trip and enjoy life with your SORE LOSER husband. Your new name comes very close to describing what you've become.


Submitted by snitch on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:29am.

I am not Janet. Lighten up there boy, you sure do get your
panties in a wad.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:42am.

There was a teaser on WSB this AM that said something about “knowing weapons were being brought to school”, but I can’t find it.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:37am.

According to the news media I thought only the school officials knew. I think even the resource officer didn't know about this one.

Our Sheriff is a land shark I think he would have had his people at least interview Robin, even based on a tip. I don't think he would have let that go in his county.

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Submitted by Basmati on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:07am.

Your "Land shark" is somewhat toothless. According to today's AJC LINK
The sheriff's dept and the school were both tipped off to sniperboi last May but decided it was an "unsubstantiated" tip that could wait until school was back in session to investigate.

Good thing sniperboi didn't arrive at school with guns a-blazin' or the Sheriff and the principal would be doing some serious spin control right now.

Put another way, Sheriff Johnson's office rolled the dice with our kids safety at Whitewater and lucked out this time.


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:35pm.

I would tend to agree with Basmati. I think many other posters are agreeing the delay was poor judgment. If you review the several media reports (as several posters have done) it is apparent that the Board of Education, the High School and the Sheriff's department knew about this student and the suspicions that he may be volatile. Was it enough to arrest him or search his home or vehicle ? No, I accept authorities suggestion that there was insufficient probable cause. However, there would have been absolutely no harm in notifying the parents of this tip and perhaps maintaining some form of follow up that law enforcement considered sufficient.

What happened instead ? A first day, high profile arrest with tremendous media coverage. Would that have happened if they notified the parents and simply continued surveillance? Probably not. Basmati is right--- law enforcement jeopardized our community and perhaps other communities to the risk of the very behavior that they thought justified all these press conferences.

Compare this with Chief Murray's recent treatment of the three individuals arrested for the assault behind Harmony Village. Murray knocked on a bunch of doors and let the message out "Whoever did this, we're looking for them." He didn't delay action and he did not violate the constitution. Let me also say that I would guess that Sheriff Johnson would have probably used the proper judgment and called up the parents if he had been personally invovled. That's just the way he has been over the years.


Submitted by fcteacher on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:19pm.

You're right on one count...it was a high profile arrest with tremendous media coverage. And, yes we all noted who was front and center of said coverage. However, I do not believe for a moment that the safety of the community was compromised.

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Submitted by Basketball Mom on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:10am.

Play devil's advocate. What if he really was unstable (I don't believe he is, just go with me for a sec) and something or someone really p*ssed him off THIS PAST SUMMER. Now he drives to WalMart or the movie theater with the weapons and cuts loose. FC Sheriff's department HAD a tip that they didn't feel like following up on. Now we have a really bad situation at the Pavillion or any other place teens frequent! Who would be under the media microscope then?

Had something like that happened, people would be blaming the Sheriff's Department instead of applauding them.

If someone had just a tiny moment in their jammed packed schedules to just take a moment and inform Mr Kittrell about the tip and left it up to them as to how he would deal with his son as a parent, none of this would have happend. I feel 100% certain that Rob's dad would have taken the information seriously and sought help.

I am not condoning what Rob did.....he brought weapons to school and that is wrong, wrong, wrong! BUT, there were "adults" that knew and did nothing until they could get their 15 seconds of fame in the media.

If he was such a "known" threat, WHY was he even allowed into the school and into 1st period?

Come on, officials of our community! Be PROACTIVE, not REACTIVE!


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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:18am.

This whole situation seems like it was predicated for Maximum Favorable Publicity.

The Sheriff's dept could have contacted the parents over the summer, they might have changed the lock on their gun safe and a potential crime would have been PREVENTED. But then the Sheriff's dept would not get the favorable writeup on the front page of the Atlanta papers.

This tip was reported last June (not May as I stated above, sorry for the error), the kid was not a menace to society all summer long, he wasn't a menace to society through two weeks of band camp, but on the first day of school he magically morphs into the second coming of Columbine killer Ryan Klebold.

Either he was a menace to society when the tip was reported and the Sheriff's dept did nothing for two months, or he wasn't a menace to society and the Sheriff's dept was looking to maximize publicity.


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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 8:52am.

Again, Basmati has the correct thought process.

If the Sheriff's department had called the father, he would have immediately inventoried his weapons and as Basmati says, changed the combo ! If not, now it is the family's responsibility. But Basmati is right--- this whole episode represents a great victory for hair spray and television trucks. Randall is not at fault here. If he had been in charge, this would have been handled a lot different.

Run for Congress, Basmati, you will the support of me and Colbert !


Submitted by somesomething on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 7:53pm.

This one puzzles me, too. I know Robin wasn't going to do anything with the guns, but that's because I know Robin. The administration didn't. That's just irresponsible. I agree, I think this is all about publicity.

and this is a response to something I read before not this post:

but, that Robin brought guns the first day of school doesn't mean he was going to do anything. How do you know Robin didn't always have them in his car? How do you know that someone didn't see them in his car during the spring? and if he were going to shoot up the school, why didn't he do it in the spring?
Okay, so then why'd he bring the guns if he wasn't going to shoot up the school in the spring?

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Sat, 08/12/2006 - 7:30am.

Well, I think you must be right. I think all students at Whitewater ought to have their car or bags full of oozies, etc. Just so they haven't used them yet! That is the important thing. I also think the airports right now shouldn't be taking those women's jugs of expensive perfume, they are going to stink on that plane.

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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 2:58am.

Wow - seems to me that as a Fayette County Teacher - if that really is what you are - would be most seriously worried by an armed student.
Several students have expressed similar opinions to yours and I wonder. Maybe you "know" Robin too - apparently you THINK you do but what makes you think that the safety of the community was not jepordized with a '91 Volvo parked in a high school parking lot with enough weapons an ammunition to kill over a hundred people?

Maybe the police are not to blame - I don't know the level of warning they received but I think a danger was present.

Also, read the "One comment here" post by PTC Guy. He puts forward the best analysis of this I've seen so far. Do you think he's wrong too?


Submitted by fcteacher on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:36am.

former county teacher, not Fayette County teacher. Although I was a FC teacher for a long time (ie...before my family got big and costly). I have a job now where I actually make enough money to pay my bills! But that is another blog, right? The principal handled it in an appropriate manner and the kid was caught red-handed. As a parent, that is what I want to hear; that the kid was caught and is gone. If he had been searched earlier and did NOT have the weapons in his car, then imagine what would have happened after that. For starters, the community would have probably never known that the threat even existed. That is scary as well. By the way, your comment to Matted, as an accessory to the crime with the knowledge he had yet did not divulge (weapons at band camp), was very interesting. I hope that Matt contacts a lawyer very soon as he may soon need one.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:10pm.

What could they have done if they had gone to the Boys house and found the weapons? It's not illegal to have said weapons at your own house.

Finding them on his person/in his auto at the school is very incriminating. I'm very sure they were watching him on this past Monday.

Kudos to everyone involved in my opinion.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:52am.

I thought they weren't tipped off until Monday morning?

Submitted by lifeinptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:50am.

An anonymous tip came in to the school board in the spring. Rice boy thinks the Sheriff should have pounced on the family due to that tip. Rice boy would be the first one on here criticizing him if he had.

Do you have any idea how many anonymous tips come into the Sheriff's Office of a county with 100 thousand people. I'd be willing to bet several of them are probably about rice boy himself. They do not all trickle up to the Sheriff. They are handled precisely the way this one was handled. Take it under advisement and react responsibly.

If someone will call in an anonymous tip on riceboy's house I'll call the Sheriff and ask him to roll the SWAT team right away.

P.S. I thought Highgreen was leaving us.

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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:34am.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/0809metfayette.html

"The kids weren't in school, so we couldn't drive out to the house on a tip," said Melinda Berry-Dreisbach, a spokeswoman for the Fayette County school system. "We had to actually wait for the child to come on campus before we could conduct a search."


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 11:54am.

It is called CYA when you screwed up. Either that, or the school officials never did tell the cops about any of it.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 12:17pm.

They cannot drive to someone's house and conduct a search. That is fact, the Police "may" have been able to get a warrant. Who knows? Then the kid may not have shown up on day 1 with his guns, again who knows?

When the kid entered school property, he's fair game, and they got him.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 12:35pm.

Now you beg the question; had law enforcement been notified and dispatched ahead of time so that they could be at the school when the kid arrived?


Submitted by Southside on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 12:57pm.

You want or expect your child to be stopped by police on an anonymous call? Do you know how many anonymous pranks the Sheriff gets in a school with thousands of students? You want them to stop each student based on those calls? Let students taunt their enemies by sending the Sheriff to their homes in the summer?

Walk a mile in those shoes before you step that far out there.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 1:39pm.

Southside, I’m not stepping in anything. It just seems somewhat odd that the information about this kid having guns in his car was going around in June and nobody could do anything about it and then low and behold come the first day of school and an “anonymous call” comes in.

It would be nice to get more information on that “anonymous call”.

As people have been hearing lately, it’s amazing what you can do with phone records these days.


Submitted by pldoolittle on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:33pm.

The FCBoE and the police are conspicuously leaving out one critical point in their claims that they could not investigate until Monday. That being this:

*** Robin Kittrell is/was a member of the marching band and was present on campus every day for two weeks PRIOR to school going back into session. ***

That is not speculation, it is a fact that I observed with my own two eyes.

If they had any credible tip that he was a threat, or carrying weapons, they had an obligation to act weeks earlier when the school population was a fraction of what it was on Monday. Which raises the question, did they have information and fail to act upon it, or are they just blownig smoke to further sensationlize this event?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:09am.

I'd like to know the answer to that as well.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:42am.

Kid sounds like many highschool kids pretending to be Superman or Captain Marvel, as I did (didn't have access to guns) however, it is now obvious that communications broke down in this one. School should have handled it last year.

Submitted by Flydecajon on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 10:37am.

I am just giving you a hypothesis for your question. I believe if he is not in school it is not un lawful for him to carry those weapons in his car if they are not consider consealed..IF he has them in the trunk it is legal for him to have. I believe Melinda should have said if he was not on school property? Even if school in I do not believe he is in the wrong about having these guns as long as he does not go to or on school property...For instance if he was going hunting or something like that, he would have a gun in his car to go to his stand, nothing wrong legally with that...If he goes to school he is toast.. I hope that helps anyone may correct me if I am way wrong about the law. ...

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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 11:04am.

I'm sure will understand more. Remember, we have yet to have a statement from the parents.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:48am.

I would like to know why the school officials didn't have his counselor talk to him with the resource officer. They could have at least given him a warning, and let him know that he would be in trouble if he carried out his plan. An ounce of prevention........

Submitted by lifeinptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:52am.

School was out when the tip came in. It was June not May. Rice boy's putting the spin on things.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:56am.

I went back and read the story again. Thanks. Quit riceboy.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:19am.

Is that enough justification to have Rice Boy investigated and busted? Of course not.

It looks to me like the Principal and the officer handled this situation quite well. Didn't create a scene and caught the kid off guard (on school property). They then neutralized the situation, confronted him and discovered the switchblade (not your every day pocket knife) and pressed him for more info, got the confession, performed a successful search and the world was saved.

What part of the way this was handled is there to fault?

The tip was handled in an appropriate manner. Heck, if they would have busted Robin on his parents property in the middle of the summer Rice Boy would have griped about that too.


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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 2:29am.

Johnnycakes, you are the fourth friend/co-student I've seen posting support for Robin here. Have you not read anything on this from other posters?
Are you, like the three other [apparent] friends/co-students, also so naive as to believe what you said?
Apparently you also believe you weren't on the list that Robin didn't have.

Wake up Johnny and please make this clear to all of your friends - anyone in school or out - anyone that will listen: Anyone that packs an armory to school is dangerous! Especially if it's a smart good grades guy with a promising future.

You see his good grades, pleasant manners, good behavior, protecting the bullied, and you - like most people - call that a great guy.

Certain medical professionals would look at the bigger pictures and call it symptoms.

We don't know Robin? No, but then we don't THINK we know him, either.
You think you really know him?
If he is smart enough to get the grades he did, he is certainly smart enough to convince 98% of the people that are aquainted with him that he is something other than what he is, and it can be very dangerous for ANYONE to think they know him.

No one is smearing mud on his name, they are smearing mud on his actions.

And to all of the students at all of the schools out there; if there are any more arsenals being transported to school by really nice, great students, WARNING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!! REPORT THEM TO 911!!!


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Submitted by tampabayjay on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:55pm.

I suppose Klebold and Harris were "eccentric" also. I'm not slinging mud, I'm calling a spade a spade. No one brings that kind of arsenal to school or any where for that matter without considering the consequences. I do not know Robin at all, however for you to write that "he would not hurt anyone unless he or others were being endangered by a malicious force" and that "Robin has never and would never display violent behaviors" seems a little off base. In my mind, bringing an armory to school is displaying violent behavior. It's commendable that this boys friends are trying to stick up for him here, but they also must realize that this type of behavior cannot be tolerated in a civilized, lawful society regardless of his past achievments and social graces. For whatever reason Robin made the decision to do this. Thank God no body was physically harmed. Hopefully he can get the help that he so obviously needs.


Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:28pm.

...but he was wrong, and he deserves punishment, and he needs professional help.

There is NO reason for us to decide that we can "help" law enforcement with guns, especially without the professional training that law enforcement personnel get.

There is NO reason for a student to bring a weapon to school.

Play by the rules, that's WHY we have a system.

Submitted by johnnycakes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:32pm.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, I'm saying that people need to stop assuming and learn the facts before they ruin his reputation even more!

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:34pm.

...but remember that all we see is guns at a school. Not smart.

His "defense" of helping law enforcement that was given in court - not smart.

He needs help. I wouldn't worry about his reputation anymore; he's got much bigger issues than how some folks think of him.

Guns at school are bad.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 8:45pm.

I think the psycho kids are the ones who bully others. It takes a sick mind to come up with some of the things these kids say and do to each other. What is really sick is that I have seen some of the parents actually encourage their kids to be bullies. These parents are sick and so are the kids. When are we going to deal with this issue as a society?
What would have happened if the teachers had taken this teens claims of being bullied seriously and reacted by getting the bullies counseling and or boot camp?

I 'm not excusing what this young man did, and I can't imagine what he was thinking. It is a shame he wasted his brilliant mind with one bad choice.

The psycho kids are the bullies. How many other kids are out there on the edge because of bullies?? When will we come up with a DSM category for this sickness?? It begs for a label, so it can be treated. Of course back in my day there was a treatment for bullies it was called "belt therapy" and it had 100% cure rate. But that went out of style didn't it? God forbid we would punish or shame a bully!

Submitted by sthrngrl on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 8:00pm.

First of all, I am in no way defending what Robin did, but to those of you who are making accusations who do not know him,here is how he actually is.
I saw him as the guy who always opened the door for me, lent me extra change when I didn't have enough for a coke, always gave me gum before class, every day, and when he was not there he left some the day before for us. If he ever saw anyone being picked on, especially girls, he would politely ask the person to stop. He watched out for people, and he was a polite gentleman for a change. I will admit over the three years I have known him, I have said comments here or there about him, but I appologized. Yes he was wrong, and he should not go unpunished by any means, but many of the comments are so overblown and speculating. And the people who have labeled him as a nerd or anything similar without even knowing him that is wrong and I believe that is what caused him to feel like he was bullied. Comments like that hurt all people.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 8:05pm.

So he goes to jail. That's the story.

There is no "explanation". I don't care about his feelings, or if he was a "nerd" or "spazz" or "psychopathic neurotic unstable little boy". He brought guns and swords and knives to school. He goes to jail. He doesn't get out for a while.

Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

If there is a defense to this other than insanity, I'll consider the apocolypse fully in effect.

Ted Bundy was polite, wasn't he?

Submitted by Matted on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 8:24pm.

It's these sort of baseless comments--predicting the apocalyspe, comoparing someone he's never met to Ted Bundy, referring to Robin as a "psychopathic neurotic unstable little boy"--that really bug me. You don't know him, so your opinions as to his character mean nothing.

Look at the comments here from people who knew Robin, and look for a pattern: we all think he's a great person. Coincidence? Conspiracy? Absolutely not.

But again I'm not saying what he did doesn't diserve punishment. He broke the law and got caught, simple as that. But please, people, comment on what you KNOW, not what you assume.

Submitted by johnnycakes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:28pm.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! Matted knows exactly what he's talking about because I am close friends with Robin too and he is a great individual.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:31pm.

who needs psychiatric treatment.

Be a friend to Robin - get him the help he needs. Guns at school are bad.

Submitted by Bam or Cena on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:28pm.

I am SICK of hearing about all these Phyco comments about Robin. I know Robin and saw him everyday. Bottom line is that he had guns. It was wrong yes but think for a seccond. Any one who knows him in real life knows that he would not harm ANYONE! He had guns because he was interested in the military! He wanted to go to west point. Everyone trusted him and he had NEVER gotten in trouble EVER at school. Yes he brought guns. And again I admit that was wrong. But, they found a knife on him right? Yes. So IF he was planning another Colombine as yall say, then why didn't he bring in a hand gun instead?????? WHY a knife? Wouldn't it make more sense to bring in a gun instead of a knife for a Colombine? Self defence is the awnser, not colombine. Any one who says the knife was wrong in the first place is right, but you tell me someone who hasen't stolen something, snuck out of the house, or gotton into a fight on campus even though you knew it was wrong. Call THEM psycho as well ok. Thank you

Submitted by IMNSHO on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 12:48pm.

***you tell me someone who hasen't stolen something, snuck out of the house, or gotton into a fight on campus even though you knew it was wrong.***

I know this "someone" that you want to hear about. He is a graduate of Fayette County schools, and serving in the military. He has not stolen anything since he was 6 years old, has never snuck out of the house, and never gotten into a fight on campus (or off). AND, he would never have been stupid enough to have taken a weapon to school for ANY reason (especially not the asinine reason given by this kid).

Submitted by somesomething on Fri, 08/11/2006 - 7:59pm.

But he had stolen something before he was six!

Don't worry, I'm just messing with you. His or her point was that we're not all saints.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:06pm.

...go back to it.

Here's what I know. Person brings guns to school. What is there to assume? Person goes to jail.

I don't know, Matthew - what logical reason would you have to bring guns to school?

Let me know how anyone with the IQ of peanut butter would NOT think this person has an issue that needs professional attention?

Submitted by somesomething on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:10pm.

You are really starting to get on my nerves. Have we not admited that it might be beneficial for Robin to see a professional?
For someone who doesn't know the situation first hand or the people involved, don't you think you're spending a lot of time arguing pointlessly? Do you have an inadequacy complex? Do you seek fulfilment through winning arguments with strangers? If so, it also might be beneficial for you to see a professional.

Submitted by pldoolittle on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:46pm.

idontknow:

What logical reason? None. But TEEN = ILLOGICAL. That's why we have juvenile courts and adult courts. Juvenille's brains aren't finished yet, and their judgements are often very flawed.

Judging from your subject I am going to assume that you too are a teen. And as a teen, it can be very difficult to see the forest for the trees.

Submitted by somesomething on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:24pm.

You're illogical! You don't care about the facts, you don't care about the effect this has had on the students at our school. I don't know what you care about, maybe proviong how your fully developed brain makes you as fit to judge a stranger as--I don't know--G-d, who you obviously created, right?

Submitted by pldoolittle on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:44pm.

"you don't care about the effect this has had on the students at our school."

Au contraire. I care quite a bit about how it affects students at your school. I have students/children at your school. They sit in class daily with Robin. They carpool with other students from your school in my car. You probably know them all. I care more than you will know until you have children of you own.

As for the teen comment that set you off, it wasn't a criticism. It is a fact that you will recognize for yourself (and about yourself) in the years to come.

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