Political Misguidance

Dear Editor,, I write this to you to express a thought that may have slipped our political candidates locally all the way to the state...
During this past election campaign, I received a total of 48 recorded phone messages over 3 weeks, asking me for their vote. This does not include the solicitation I received in my government owned mailbox.
I understand the need to get the word out and applaud the ambition to do so. HOWEVER.....As a Sales Manager, I teach my reps to pride yourself on what you can offer the customer that makes you stand out from the competition,NOT bash the competition and expect to get the deal..
In today's world of attempting to get back to "FAMILY VALUES" what message are we sending that life seems to be based on how bad the other guy is and saying nothing about how you are better??
We all ask why kids are the way they are???? HEY look at what we teach....Bad mouth the other guy,steal to get ahead, cheat the system to get what you want,,,OH and by the way,don't worry about hard work to attain your goals,some other guy will fall and you will be in the right place if you lie about your past..
I have been a registered voter for 20 years or more,,and yet have only taken that privilege only twice,,both times for a presidential election... I would love to vote for someone her in our great city/county/state...but so far, they all seem to want to gain power by looking at opponents faults and not concentrating on how they are better. Until that changes, I will not vote.....
I had a recent dinner with some neighbors and this subject came up...I will share with the public my response to this conversation....."I am so sick and tired of hearing the negative campaign,..if a candidate running for any office could run a strictly positive plan. I would vote for them out of respect and admiration,even if they had crazy ideas like ..over 45,must leave Fayette county,,,,At least he was honest and upfront about his plans.....Up to this writing, my opinion,,Used car sales people have more truth in their sales than current political candidates... ITS RIDICULOUS !!!!! ( and I am not a car sales rep)..and I don't need flyers and phone calls to tell me to vote for you....If you have a strong platform, then be seen throughout the year working for our city,,,then when you want to become elected,,,you past success's will get you voted without having to bash the competition..

Your truly,
Frustrated concerned community minded Man

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:50am.

I understand your frustration but you’re not handling the problem logically, my friend.

What you need to do is to vote for the least bad candidate. That way, you keep the worst ones from getting to control our society.

You won’t be proud of the result, and you’ll be holding your nose a lot. But not voting allows the worst ones of the lot to get elected, and it’s better to have half a loaf than nothing at all.

By the way, I share your feelings about what selling should be all about. In a market with inferior products, one can often shun them all. But with elections, somebody always gets the job. So you pick the least bad.


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:46am.

Critical Campaigns are Good and Necessary

lang2922--- I agree and disagree. There is way too much telephone contact. The mail I can discard. But when candidates like Harold Logsdon continue the telephone calling intrusion even being asked to stop, its rude and arrogant. He had people making live calls during Sunday supper. That is abusive. As to the mail, you can ignore it. I find it annoying though that people like Congressman Lynn Westmoreland use federal government money to send mailers promoting his admitted "do-nothinger" service.

As to "negative" campaigns, I disagree. It is a necessary evil. The father of negative campaigns was the most overrated President in U.S. history---- Thomas Jefferson, departing from the custom set by Washington and Adams. Negative campaigns allow us to compare. If the incumbent is doing a marginally acceptable job, you should not make a change in most cases.

Let's put this into your sales example context. I sell sanitation services. You are the plant manager. I tell you I do a good job. You say, "I like you but I think we are getting a good service for a good price." Let's assume price is the same, assuming a very tight market. The only comparision is service and results. In order for me to get the contract, I must COMPARE--- this inevitably leads to negative campaigns.

I do agree that people go overboard. Peter Pfeiffer's Letter to the Editor insinuating that Eric Maxwell "might" be one of those lawyers that helps child molesters was way out of bounds. If anything, as a judge, Maxwell did the opposite. It was illogical because the minor premise did not follow the major premise. That might have cost Dunn the 260 votes he lost by. Use Peter's logic as follows: "Peter is a husband; Some husbands beat their wives; We don't know if Peter beats his wife; We hope that isn't the case; We'll just have to wait and see." No Peter doesn't beat his wife but now that the shoe is on the other foot, he probably doesn't like it. So much for the Rick Price School of Campaigning.

Other than the extremes, though, negative campaigning is a necessity. Otherwise you always re-elect incumbents because there is no reason not to. Or, with an open seat, you just votes for whoever waves at the most cars.

Love to hear your perspective.


Submitted by snark on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 11:48am.

I salute your Pfeiffer analogy.

(The whole post was darn good, actually, but that one had the added bonus of making me laugh.)

Submitted by tonto707 on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 9:31am.

most of what you said, but I have to take exception to a couple of points.

Lynn Westmoreland uses his "franking" privileges to tell his constituents what he has or has not done, but all 535 Reps/Sens do that too. I believe Lynn has a nearly 100% voting record, and that is the reason I and most others voted for him, to go to D C and vote. I further believe his voting correctly represents the wishes of his constituents, you can check the record online and verify that. So calling Lynn a do nothinger reflects your subjective view, not fact.

Anyone with only a cursory knowledge of politics on the HILL knows that a junior represenative is not likely to be able to initiate and pass legislation. Usually takes 3 or four 2 year terms to even begin to entertain the idea of passing significant legislation. What the newer reps do is line up with those whose ideology is most similar to their own and work in that venue.

Negatives in campaigns are a fact of life, I don't agree that they are necessary or beneficial, but they are a fact. But what is "negative" is another subjective measurement. Stating facts, such as pointing out a person's voting record, is not negative. If I try to paint a candidate as being something other than what he is, ie, a "developer" as opposed to being a lawyer, that's patently negative.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 12:09pm.

The term "do-nothinger" was in quotes for a reason; it was his quote. This was not subjective but objective. It was a term that Mr. Westmoreland used to compare his record to a Democrat. He is your choice, telling you how he is not that bad because there is a Democrat who is worse ? The rationale of neo-cons like Lynn Westmoreland is that "everyone does it". He takes the free mailings; he votes the pay raise and after the minimum 6 years of do-nothing service he will grab his six figure pension and run for governor. I just wish Mr. Smith would return to Washington.

I would agree with your assertion regarding the use of pejorative terms.

P.S. Snark--- amazing alliteration and diction. I had to pull out the dictionary. The Citizen staff will be proud.


Submitted by tonto707 on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:03pm.

has been an accepted means of communication for congressmen and senators since 1776(?), I believe, but tell us, how would you communicate with your constituents? Telephone, door to door, etc?

Looks like you're being a little silly, perhaps by design, about the franking issue. It makes perfect sense to me.

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:55pm.

In a word---- the internet....Anything you want is there. There are thousands of website; one for each Congressman, one for each agency, etc.

The only purpose of a mail-out is not to give us any real info on the national energy policy but to put a politician's name and face in front of the voters.

If it makes sense to you, Tonto, to waste the postal service resources to share 20 words of platitude with you, you are indeed quite shallow and uninformed.


Submitted by tonto707 on Sun, 07/30/2006 - 5:02am.

with the kind of mail you refer to, taxpayer, "20 words of platitude", the mailings I get from my congressman or senators deal with legislation, policies, etc. They are forbidden to use franking privileges for campaign purposes, and I point that out tongue in cheek. Touting anything they have done in office could be viewed as political campaigning, but I believe most of them walk on the safe side of the line.

Only a fraction of households have internet capability, that doesn't solve the problem.

Inform the public through the media? Gimme a break, I wouldn't trust any part of the media, print, radio or TV, to deliver facts to me. Can you spell "SPIN"?

Looks like you have a jaded view of politics and everything connected to politics, taxpayer.

Submitted by Sailon on Sun, 07/30/2006 - 8:26am.

Have you ever written your congressman complaining about anything? The staff form letters, signed by a machine, are intriguing. Of course, this is after your name has been run through the big contributors list on the computer--then you get a different form letter, if you are on it. Anyway, it goes something like this: God and country, and of course family values--my very first goals, and peace be with you, and thanks for your interest in this stupid thing you believe, but I have to vote my principles. I assure you that I am working day and night, 24/7, and other cliches that I won't bore you with, on your stupid problem. The interest of my voters is always on my mind and if you are ever in Washington and I'm here and available and not on a fact finding mission to Tahitia or Venice, or of course voting, I would be glad for you to speak to one of my staff about your stupid problem. Your congressman, and flag lover, Boor Franks

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:22pm.

Tonto,

How much more "franking" do you think the taxpayers can take? I would be curious to know just when the taxpayers first started getting franked. You say 1776? I thought the newspapers were where their constituents received their information back then. Today we have the news, newspapers, magazines, internet and so on. Lynn's franking of the taxpayers has amounted to no more than a timely fluff piece designed to come out during an election cycle. There was nothing in his last "frank over piece" that we didn't already know. If someone didn't already know the contents of his franked up frank piece then they would probably care less what goes on in Washington anyways. I don't know about you but I'm tired of being franked by these "do nothinger clowns".


Submitted by snark on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 12:16pm.

so you may ditch the dictionary.

Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:04am.

To solve the seniority thing in congress we must go to one term limit of three years for both house and senate. Gets rid of useless freshman congressman, taking bribes, raising money, negative campaigns, and returns lawmaking to citizen congressmen instead of professional politicians. Give them a big bonus every year, and an even larger one at the end of their term providing they stay clean, vote 90% of the time, and are judged efficient by ann independent panel. That would give those who really can't afford to go and incentive to do so. Also, must be re-confirmed every year by the opposite house--senate or representatives.

Submitted by ole sarge on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:15pm.

We have been in the era of the professional politician for far to long. I agree that short term limits offer a resonable solution. Thank them for their service and allow them to return to their former careers. Let them face the community and defend their actions. This would work well at all levels of government, local, state, and federal. Educated and involved citizens can make things happen, in all of their their communities.

Submitted by tonto707 on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 12:54pm.

of 12 years, either branch of Congress, would work quite well. Three years isn't enough to accomplish anything. Max of 3 four year terms for congressmen and 2 six year terms for senators. We don't need hanger ons building seniority and power forever. The senile KKK Byrd should have been gone 30 years ago.

Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 3:44pm.

Doesn't solve the problems. If all of them were there a short time, then they would get more done quicker. No big 40 year people to stop everything. It is not a lifetime thing--not even a job. It is a temporary service, or should be.

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