An open letter to Cal Beverly.

The question is out there. What was Linda Well's involvement in leaking an invoice to Kevin Duffey which contained the name of an undercover officer and his wife? The fact that you endorsed Wells doesn't weigh into the matter. It is a legitimate journalistic question.

Especially, I would think, since the Commission refused to provide your reporters with information from the same audit. Information from that audit appeared in the AJC.

Some have alleged it was even provided without an open records request. In addition detailed dollar amounts and dates have been posted on this web site quoted from invoices on the purchases of televisions and other electronic equipment purchased by the Drug Task Force. Those post came from a blogger many here believe to be Janet Dunn.

How can you accept that sitting Commissioners may have provided invoices to wives and preferred reporters and not your own?

It is, I believe, the Citizen's responsibility to send a reporter to the candidate, Linda Wells, and force her to admit or deny the accusation. If she denies the allegation then the AJC will know if she's telling the truth or not and the ball will be in their court. Sadly you won't know the truth unless Wells tells it.

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Submitted by uh oh on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 10:55am.

Linda Wells has been challenged many times to come forward and either confirm or deny her participation-
She continues to ignore anything to do with the "Invoice"-
I know and She knows to what extent she was involved- That is why she will not comment on this-
She violated her own Ethics Ordinance in the worst way and cannot deny it-

uh oh!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 11:02am.

If you’ve got proof, post it. Otherwise, forget it. There is no shortage of people on this forum that blab the same song.


Submitted by lifeinptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 11:26am.

An earlier poster already stated what he/she believed was proof and it went unanswered lawyer lady. The point is to make the media seek an official answer on the matter.

Submitted by allin on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 2:33pm.

Maybe Cal can send out his staff and reporters to investigate the rumors? Looks like he'll have to increase the staff to cover the interviews at the - AJC - Wells and Dunn's offices and the first person I would interview is the mystery person that goes by " remains confidential" and who knows what other confidentail spokeperson will come into the act by election time.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 12:15pm.

If you’re referring to the blog, “An open letter to Cal Beverly” as your proof, please read it again.

The bloger used phrases such as , “Some have alleged”, “many here believe to be”, “may have”, “I believe”, “If she denies” and finally “Sadly you won't know the truth unless”.

If that’s your idea of proof, please disqualify yourself from any future jury duty summons on the grounds that you have no idea what your doing there.


Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 2:09pm.

Is somebody official investigating this "invoice" or not? A sheriff or a county employee should be held accountable just like anyone else.

Submitted by lifeinptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 12:32pm.

I'm referring to someone's post from last weekend outlining an investigation they did into the matter.

You're way behind and not catching up well so stay on the sidelines.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 12:51pm.

A FEW FACTS ABOUT LINDA WELLS: (AS REQUESTED BY oldsimon)

Fact #1: Kevin Duffy did NOT file a request per the "Open Records Act" to find the Invoice for a uniform allowance. That is a FACT. Check it out if you wish, I DID-

Fact #2: Kevin Duffy received a call from the Commissioners office asking him to "investigate" the Confidential Invoice. Clearly, this is a violation of the B.O.C. Ethics Ordinance and the Open Records Act. Contact Kevin Duffy to confirm this if you wish, I DID-

Fact #3: Kevin Duffy confirmed that the call came from a commissioner, but stated it wasn't Greg Dunn. Contact Kevin Duffy if you wish, I DID-

Fact #4: Linda Wells had personal knowledge of the "Invoice" back in Jan. 2006 and publicly made unethical comments concerning it. Comments overheard by a source I will keep confidential for now.

Fact #5: Greg Dunn was interviewed by Kevin Duffy in June, 2006, as well as Linda Wells. My source has requested to remain confidential. However, you are free to contact Linda Well and Greg Dunn to confirm their meeting and interview with Kevin Duffy.

THESE ARE FACTS AND NOT ACCUSATIONS-
LINDA WELLS KNOWS THAT SHE IS INVOLVED AND CLEARLY VIOLATED THE B.O.C. ETHICS ORDINANCE THAT SHE HELPED PASS.
uh oh!

Again, this in NOT proof of anything other than someone saying they know the truth. I especially liked the part that read, “My source has requested to remain confidential”.

Fact #3: Kevin Duffy confirmed that the call came from a commissioner, but stated it wasn't Greg Dunn.

Just how many women commissioners are there? More than one? Unless Linda Wells has a particularly erogenous voice I would think that Kevin Duffy would be able to tell it was a woman.

When you have “real” proof, please post it.


Submitted by allin on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 2:23pm.

This is not directed at BAD-PTC but the blogger he copied the orginal post from.

Again, this in NOT proof of anything other than someone saying they know the truth. I especially liked the part that read, “My source has requested to remain confidential?

Hey, then remain confidential and stay silent - otherwise let's here the facts. Or maybe Cal can send someone from his office over to intererview the remain confidentail person and we can compare the real facts with the AJC post? Then we will know who's telling what version of this story.

Fact #5: Greg Dunn was interviewed by Kevin Duffy in June, 2006, as well as Linda Wells. My source has requested to remain confidential. However, you are free to contact Linda Well and Greg Dunn to confirm their meeting and interview with Kevin Duffy.

No meeting ever took place between these people - your confidential remains are telling you a story or you and they have another agenda.

When you have “real” proof, please post it.

Can not say it any better - oh by the way we were suppose to get the real info on this issue released soon - remember ? Still waiting ?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:16pm.

When you posted, “No meeting ever took place between these people”, how can you be sure?

Again as with all my requests, please provide proof.

Thank you.


Submitted by uh oh on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 12:40pm.

I told you to contact Duffy or Dunn-
How do YOU know no meeting ever took place? Were you there? - NO you were not, and neither was your "Friend"-
Who is your "friend"? Are you keeping them confidential?
Why didn't you call Kevin Duffy? Do you know how to use the phone book or do I need to give you the phone number?
I suppose you really DID call him and he confirmed what I said-
Give it up or shut it up-

uh oh!

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 8:30pm.

Didn't you recently imply that you are an innocent bytstander in this race and that you do not know the candidates. You also implied that you were not an insider. Haven't you been posing yourself as a "seeking" voter searching for truth.

This is the same old crap with a different name. Thanks for the deceit and lies Peter, Janet, Just Askin, The Natural and on and on and freaking on. Casey you have proved yourself to be another useless campaign hack.


Submitted by allin on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 11:13pm.

Very strong and again incorrect - you or one of your attackers - requested that if I was a Linda supporter to check into the issue with the AJC article?? Is this not So?

I stated very clearly that I was supporting Wells. Not sure of your point here?

You and your friends have called me a Janet - Peter in Drag - Dunn supporter, Janet's husband, relative etc etc.

I pursued what one of the attackers asked - I did not contact Duffy or Wells personally but did ask a friend who would try and get me an answer to the - confidential remains post and all the rumors - so if you and the boys are stating a meeting took place when, where and who? Let us all know -- No more trash,

Where did this information come from - yeap a confidential remain?

So if that's a liar then so be it? Don't ask questions that you already know the answers or do not want to here the truth or prove my friends friend wrong.

Keep publishing the trash.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 8:55pm.

The prey has given itself away.

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Submitted by allin on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 11:21pm.

Very correct - if you are not one of the boys on this website and support their agenda and canidate - look out.

your are PREY - could not state that any better

nice to know there is still free speech in some areas of the world - not on this website

play with the boys otherwise will get you one way or the other - what a wonderful place - I know I can leave anytime - but i'm sticking around for awhile or at least till you cut my login off - again

Submitted by snark on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 11:23am.

nice to know there is still free speech in some areas of the world - not on this website

How does responding to your posts curtail your free speech?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 9:24am.

Point is you cannot claim ignorance on one hand and knowledge of the other.

When it is agaist Wells, you declared ignorance, but then post defenses that say knowledge.

You cannot have it both ways.

If you are ignorant on the issues, you either must learn the facts before you vote, or don't vote.

So far, the only clear reality I see coming from you is that you are voting for Wells because she is a woman.

That is not a reason to vote for anyone, male or female

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 11:33pm.

My alarm just went off and it told me you were posting. No Casey...I'm not going to cut your login off again. Even though you are trying to cover up Linda's involvements in some very unethical shenanigans rest assured "The Boys" will let you have your say. Big of us huh?

Look girl. Repeating Linda's spin lies is not going to change the truth no matter how hard you wish it. Both sides presented their cases and the facts and the courts proved Linda and her mentor wrong. You coming on here with your little snippets of spin are boring the masses who have already learned the truth. You got anything else besides whats-her-name to talk about?


Submitted by allin on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:22am.

Sorry I had to work late last night.

You coming on here with your little snippets of spin are boring the masses who have already learned the truth. You got anything else besides whats-her-name to talk about? unethical shenanigans

The boys are the ones that continue the smear campaign and repeat over and over the same posts. I'll stop boring the masses. If the anti tactics continue - I will continue to voice my opinion. If I have still have permission.
unethical shenanigans? don't look any farther than the ones posting the garbage.

"The Boys" will let you have your say. Big of us huh?

Thanks gentlemen - for your kindness - your time and efforts they are truly appreciated.

I was not going to posted anymore on this subject but The Boys continue the attacks.

I'll be more that happy to talk about the great job the sheriff, fire, public works and all the county employee's do serving this community.

I suggest instead of wasting anymore tax $$$'s on litigations or law suits and counter law suits in progress - the commission and sheriff bite the bullet. We don't care about their egos.

Take the savings from attoney's fees and give each county employee an across the board cost of living (BONUS) say $1000.00 to be distributed this Dec? What would that cost the county? 30,000? I'm not sure?

I can not speak for all the county's divisions but I know the fire service and sheriff's employees are not up to salary scale when comparing surrounding counties. You make it a one time bonus so the county would not be liable for increase salaries year over year. It woul have to be across the board to take away any popularity contest with management.

All the rest of the cities in the county deserve the same bonus - but their budgets are not tied to the county funds.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 12:55pm.

I was not going to posted anymore on this subject but The Boys continue the attacks.

Okay lightweight. If you can't handle the debate then get out of the forum. How come it's attacks and smear campaigns when I blog it and it's voice my opinion when you blog it?

I would appreciate it if you would stow your sanctimonious comments until you are able to prove "The Boys" wrong. This boy is basing all his so called smearing and attacking on Linda's prove and very well documented record.

At least we agree on one thing though. The $500K or more would better have spent handing out thousand dollar bills to the county employees rather than lining the Sixth Commissioners pockets. Wasn't that your Linda's doings?

And go easy on handing out the bonuses please. There are many folks in Fayette County that cannot afford anymore government waste and tax increases.


Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 3:50pm.

You don't have any idea how many county employees there are, do you? Are teachers county employees? Cops, firemen, roadside workers, sheriff's department (a big one), court house, marshals, on and on. Do you work there, or did you ever? I think the budget is about $40,000,000,00.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 6:59pm.

Now hold on a minute. Why would the school systems by considered for any such bonus?

And some others.

Just because something is county does not put it under the commissioners control or budget.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:09pm.

General county expenditures are over $72 million. Not include schools.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 6:23pm.

Oh well. Guess I'm better than some and worser than others. But that don't mean I ain't smart.

No....I don't work for the county and no I don't know how many employees we have nor is it relevant to what I posted. What in the frank are you talking about? Unless you think I'm for giving out a random bonus to each employee. For that I am not.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:12pm.

For someone who knows so little she seems to know so much as to why Wells is the best and is innocent.

Does that spell hypocrite or naive in her support to make lying agreeable?

Really, casey, step back and think this out. You are not doing well and not convincing anyone.

Actually, the money would have been better not spent, rolled back into the budget, and more wisely used, either as a tax cut or in smarter spending.

Meaning the commissioner, for clarity.

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Submitted by allin on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:53am.

math was not my major - not sure how many county employees are currently on staff.

Ok - maybe we better drop it to a $500.00 bonus

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:39am.

This will all end soon enough. The 8th is around the corner.

The wasted lawsuit money could have been put to some actual use, by they commissioners. They wasted it.

The drug money was never theirs, so they could neither use it properly or waste it.

Since you are so adamently pro Wells, get her to come on and define her role in the cop outing. No spinning allowed.

An innocent person has all to gain by speaking out. Silence is not a good response IF innocent.

Now, wasn't that simple?

All can post, obviously. But politco speak is going to get challenged.

Like, not knowing Wells, but voting for Well, because she is the better candidate. Dah!

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Submitted by uh oh on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:00pm.

I obtained Linda Wells' cell phone number from the Admin. at the Fayette Co. Comm. office- as anyone else can do-
I have called several times over the last few weeks- I always get her voice mail- She has not answered.
I cannot leave a message as it would/could get me fired- As I stated before, I have to be very careful since Mr. Dunn signs my paycheck- (But thank God it is only for six more months)
I CHALLENGE anyone else who wants to speak with her on this matter, please call her and speak with her directly since she continues to ignore this subject-
I want Linda Wells to know, so Casey if you have a "direct line" to her please inform her, THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY until she admits her guilt in violating the B.O.C. Ethics Ordinance.
Even AFTER the election- THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET-

uh oh!

Submitted by tonto707 on Sun, 07/30/2006 - 9:20am.

doesn't answer her phone because she is not interested in you, her constituent. She is interested only in herself. She has never returned my calls since she has been in office.

I heard Eric Maxwell announce his intention to run against Greg Dunn. He looked Dunn in the eye and said "Greg, I plan to keep it on the high road and I hope you do the same". We know the outcome, Eric did, Greg didn't.

Neither Linda Wells or Greg Dunn know what the high road is. Lies, inuendos and spin is all they are capable of. If we are lucky we will be rid of Wells in less than 10 days and Pfeifer in 2 years.

Submitted by allin on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 4:46pm.

so Casey if you have a "direct line" to her please inform her,

UH OH

You can join the Republican Women supporting Linda tomorrow afternoon from 1230-2PM - I'll give you more of the details if you need them. I believe they are published on the Fayette County republican site.

This will give you the opportunity to ask her your concerns up from and personal

Hope this helps - I believe they are also accepting donations, feel free to contribute and pick up a sign.

Submitted by uh oh on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:59pm.

Don't be so sure that the women at the meeting are there supporting Linda- She may be somewhat surprised when she is confronted-
Obviously I will NOT be in attendance-
As for a donation, I will contribute once the likes of Linda and Janet are gone-
As for the sign- I will stick with the Jack Smith sign I have in my yard. I would be afraid to put more than one sign in my yard for fear of a citation from the meter maids/AKA Marshals-

uh oh!

p.s. Why is Peter staying so quiet? The THREE AMIGOS were in this together-

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:34pm.

Because Linda told Peter that if he tried to help her she was gonna kick his butt. With supporters like Peter who needs enemies?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:44pm.

My friend, have you never once done the Kool-Aid, brownies or inhaled? Please, with a hair cut like that?

We’ve all done “stupid” things that we hope no one but us remembers.

I have no idea who casey is and I don’t care. I’m certain you are correct that he/she knows more than they’re telling, but alas I have no proof.

If Peter wishes to help Linda I can only hope that they sell tickets to that one. I’ll be the first in line.


Submitted by uh oh on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:46pm.

bad_ptc: I cannot provide absolute proof, only guilt beyond a reasonable doubt-
This principle is sufficient for a jury of twelve to convict someone-
I cannot divulge too much information at the present time.
The evidence will present itself ultimately and I commend you for your tenacity-

uh oh!

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 9:27pm.

I have to admit to many stupid things including drinking massive amounts of GOP Kool-Aid at one time. Please don't tell anyone and Pleeeaase don't ask for examples of the other stuff. It ain't like I'm proud of my stupid stuff. Thank God no one got hurt. At least I got a little wiser with a bit of age and experience even if I can't spell right and I don't use improper sintaxes.

As far as I'm concerned Casey is probably a great lady and after the election is over and if she hangs around we will probably find we have a lot in common. But, as someone who voted for Linda once, let it be known that I have kicked the addiction and now I see the light.

Now Bad Guy. What haircut dude? What Kool-Aid have you been drinking. Don't you know a Lion when you see one.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 9:31pm.

Dude, (Get Real)

I made the mistake of googling, “shaved cat” and found your distant cosines.

Scared the hell out of me. I didn’t do that in high school or collage.

You’ll have to excuse me at the moment, I’ve got Peter Gabrial blasting in my ears.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 07/30/2006 - 7:42am.

Wow! When googling you've gotta be careful what you ask to see. Chances are you will see it. You have to admit that shaving a cat is certainly better than tying the tails of two cats together and throwing them over the clothes line and watching them go at each other.

You do need to remember that my feline is not shaved. IT IS A REAL LION. Ooops....scuse me.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 6:42pm.

Casey is a politcal kool-aid drinker. She attends Marilane's wine and cheese parties while they bask in their own perceived self importance. I can see her now. Bowing at the feet of her Linda and absorbing all that is said and regarding it as gospel.

Tommorrow after the meeting she will come to the forum with fresh talking points from "The Girls". They will have a plan to shame "The Boys".

Oh yeah...I'll bet Uh Oh shows up that one. He would stick out like Cynthia McKinney at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Plus, he would probably get his eyes scratched out.

Casey...why don't you tell Linda to answer her phone while your kissing her.... We know you really don't want Uh Oh there while "The Girls" are preparing for their last valiant charge against superior forces.

Casey the concerned and innocent bystander. You've been franking with us haven't you oh connected insider one?

VOTE JACK SMITH

VOTE JACK SMITH

VOTE JACK SMITH

VOTE JACK SMIT


Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 3:52pm.

Apparently this person is no fool. Sounds good to me!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:17pm.

Stop calling. There are record logs.

Her not taking calls speaks for itself. She is screening.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 8:59pm.

ROAR!

Casey....same ole ((((Edited)))....different name.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 10:03pm.

I didn’t know lions could growl like that.


Submitted by lifeinptc on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 8:26pm.

Can't correct the typo. Don't know how to edit a blog.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 8:33pm.

Above the blog. Not below, like a post.

But, there is a limit to when you can edit. It is either a time limit or a replied to limit.

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Submitted by lifeinptc on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 8:45pm.

What would we do without you?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 8:57pm.

Email Cal?

Honestly, Cal does need to have an active, official Mod or Admin around.

I don't mind helping when I am on. But if I get busy with something else, this will be the first place to go or cut back on.

Just have had more free time than I care to. But am working on changing that.

You are very welcome.

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Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 6:11am.

You have about as much chance as do the Sunnis. Even Hezbollah will do better! These things mean "censorship" and only Cal will do that.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 12:57pm.

They mean helping folk out, adjusting the Admin panel to work more properly, fixing little problems, reporting server and script glitches and the like.

OK. You want me to stop helping and let Cal help those who need help with tags and such.

You are right. It is his job. I am intruding, and should not be.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 9:16pm.

PTC....I know what Cal pays you and you're not going any where. Aren't you still making payments on your Hawg? Smiling


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 9:25pm.

All bacon and ham now.

I love playing with forums and such, tweaking Admin and scripts.

But, sometimes you just have to look at your wallet and set some priorities.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 9:29pm.

You should never have bought that Harley. Eye-wink I do know what you mean.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/27/2006 - 9:45pm.

Those hogs just eat too much.

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Submitted by Flydecajon on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 10:24am.

Guys think of the life you would have without that hog, can't do it. Be free never sell one other than to replace keep the blogs going.
A hog will never eat to much if you treat it right.

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You guys keep it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals. Sorry PTC GUY had to use that one here, but I am done with the plagiarism.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 07/28/2006 - 5:16pm.

No sweat. Use as appropriate.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:13pm.

People, can we get back on the original topic?

This blog has covered so much ground a greyhound couldn’t keep up.

uh oh! are you going to the meeting tomorrow? If so, ask away.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:25pm.

Wells has no desire to answer these issues, Cal is endorsing Wells and I don't see getting any straight answer from her.

Sad, but true.

I personally believe she was a major player in these things. Why else her silence?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 8:04pm.

No I don’t really think that, but I’ve seen stranger things happen.

PTC Guy, et al, your point is well made, and I agree. The fact of the matter is I have no proof either way and I don’t feel comfortable in that position.

As with my working colleges and at home, I demand facts. I also tend to drive people crazy. Go figure.

My family has been in politics and law off and on my entire life and I’ve seen what innuendo can do to someone and I just can’t stomach it. I have no problem crucifying someone if misdeeds can be proven but I won’t do it based simply on someone’s word.


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