In the same Citizen paper I saw Hobbs name giving Maxwell money not Dunn. I would only assume he wanted Maxwell.

Yet, did he not say he voted for Dunn and Wells?

Am I wrong here?

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I really can't believe you are this aggitated at me.

So let me surrender and acknowledge your assumption to the throne of all that is important.

If it weren't for you and Git Real, and a few other anonymous posters telling us what their confidential sources have said, then we would not know how to vote at all.

You really have made a difference. Go pat yourself on your back and ignore my earlier comments. You shouldn't waste your time arguing with me. You should be out there proving how effective you are in winning this next election from behind the computer screen in your office.

You go get'em PTC Guy.

There, does that feel better.

Now see, there I go being condesending. I hate it when I get like that. But being called Dick for the umptenth time by Git Real, just hurt my little old feelings.

Seriously, drop the subject and I will too. Find some facts and post them and forgive my transgressions as I'm sure you will since you are a real Christian.

Guys that one is not right. Lets keep it within the lines.

Gees, PTCGUY.

You are hard to figure out.

As I mentioned repeatedly, I don't believe this forum's constant rantings and ravings had any real measurable differences in the elections. However, as you read my premise, I did say that factual information provided online can be useful. But the slant that the bloggers who are anonymous have little if any effect at all.

I also don't pretend to weld any authority or power visa via my opinions or endorsements. In fact, I believe just the opposite. It does appear that you believe that your contributions have made "the" difference and I find that rather naive.

True, you did provide some factual information that deflected the accusations that Maxwell was a developement company, but you did that by actually providing FACTS. Your rantings alone, along with the numerous other posters, have proven to be nothing more than one man's opinion, if in fact you are a man. For all I know you could be a little school girl from Austrailia.

So again, I just think that we don't need to take ourselves so seriously. If you have an opinion of substance, with measured doses of factual data, then submit it for Cal to run in the newspaper, where it will have the greatest impact. But don't expect this constantly changing community blog to have any real effect. It reminds me of when we had recess in school and the kids would be arguing back and forth on the playground. Sure it was loud, sure it was emotional and pronouced, but at the end of the days, it was forgotten.

Get over myself, ain't nothing to get over. My opinion weighs the same as yours, which I contend is a smidgeon more than nothing.

So hows the weather down under?
(Oh, and as to anonymity, I'd say it cost your some business. I was intrigued by your knowledge of HTML etc., and I was looking for someone to hire to help me with one of my sites. I tried to find out who you were but I finally gave up. You probably didn't need the work but I was honestly gonna give you a buzz.)

Richard, after reading the Citizen's Wednesdays edition before the election, I was convinced I would vote for Greg Dunn...Following this campaign for a few weeks before the election it seemed neither candidate was doing a smear campaign so I would vote for the incumbent. I also thought Greg was doing a decent job.

After reading that specific edition and then reading all the other citizens responses in outrage for these alegations that Maxwell was a Developer. They all proved he was not, and the people he listed were not developers either.

I thought to myself it was the last paper before the election and Greg Dunn had crossed the line into dirty politics, guess he was losing, I do not know. Either way the blogs explaining that Maxwell was not a developer and Greg was smearing this election. Also many points he was not doing a good job with our tax dollars. I went with the slogan "It is time for a change"

What is being missed here is exactly what I actually said.

What I said was that bloggers like Buckhead, made a difference, not by the constant rants and raves that his blog had against Kerry and the left wing media, but from what he did, proving Dan Rather's documents were clear forgeries.

PTC GUY's rants and ravings, along with most on this list from both sides, made no difference in this election, with the very one exception that I stated clearly was the defining factor, that being when bloggers actually list FACTS. PTC Guy's research proved that the last minute attempts at casting doubt on Maxwell was in error. I knew it Eric's actual history, so it didn't change my mind, but I'm glad that the FACTs were brought to your attention.

I specifically and repeatedly stated that FACTS are what make blogs effective, not the harmonious and orchestrated whining and moaning about being against the status quo.

Let me ask you this, prior to this information being brought to your attention, did this constant haranging from both sides help you make up your mind, or did it sound rather juvenile. I felt is was just a constant banter and no real debate save the very few times that someone provided something of real unbiased and objective proof of a fact that might be used by a voter.

Therefore, your change of opinion came about exactly because of what I said, that FACTS led you to change your vote, not the banter of surfers who have too much time on our hands. PTC Guy and Git Real and I can argue back and forth, but the truth is that voters dont' care what I think, they care about the facts. And no matter how witty, or funny, or surreal Git Real and PTC Guy are, they, nor I, effected this election. The facts provided to the reader may have contributed, but the riduculous blogging did not.

Again, thats my opinion for which I expect to be properly horsewhipped for.

Rather said just last week that he still believed the guard letter was real and original. The republicans found a stooge to say it wasn't, you know. Bush cheated while he was a guardsman and should have been court-martialed, as did many others. I suppose Thomas Jefferson and George Washington had no slave children and had no slaves, can't prove it.

See Spin, Spin, Spin, above, for reply.

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Why would someone with your intelligence and position in life stoop so low as to even respond to someone as irrelevant as PTC Guy or myself. Unless you are just as pathetic as you claim us to be. If you have such a problem with us and our postings then why are you compelled to give us so much credibility by taking us on. Unless lowering your self to our level gives you some kind of a superiority rush. Richie....are you by chance dealing with the "little man syndrome" in your life/

As Casey being left behind as she should not living here in the county. We are just having some fun. but the fact is I did read the smear article and changed my mind here on this blog. DUNN IS DONE. if you did not see it on the front page of the paper with the sheriff!!!Nice and yellow isn't it? Casey go home.

Getting that point across to Richard.

But I am tiring of trying.

Bed Time for me.

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Taking it personally aren't we?

Again, my point is and still stands. Its my opinion. If you don't like it, well thats your perogative, but since this blog rarely has any facts and only opinions, then you and PTC guys premise that these Blog's massive opinions helped "change" the election is somewhat at odds with logic.

Because my opinion is being shared and is being dismissed by you, which is okay, in fact, its absolutely normal for you to continue in your own opinions until the FACTS change your mind.

Thats all I've said. You and PTC Guy or any other blogger might feel like your opinions have some merit above mine, and thats fine. But I don't happen to think it does. Sure, you're amusing and so is PTC Guy but its still just rantings and ravings, to be used for entertainment purposes only.

If you find some real facts, and you want to share them, then by all means, I'm listening. PTC Guy did do that to dispute the allegations that Maxwell was a developer, and I'm told he presented some facts about the storm water debate, but other than facts, these posts are nothing more than clanging cymbals.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings. But hey, thats life.

You were given proofs the blog did made a difference in how people voted and thought about issues in Fayette County.

Yet, you still cling to the claim the blog does not, based on your rhetoric and desired outcome.

Our ranting and raving, as you call them, contained facts. Your, so-called, intellectual presentation contained none. And refused to change in the light of facts given to refute you.

You cling to Wells because she is a party member wbo is active and has 'earned' the right to be in office.

Now, who is the one illogically ignoring evidence and clinging to disproven premises? You.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings. But hey, thats life.

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I apologize for interupting such indepth and important debate but I thought some might want to know. We just returned from a long week in Tennessee and what was formally known as the State Champion Fayette Bulldogs are now to be know as the Southeastern Champions of AABC baseball and have advanced to the World Series of AABC (Kiwanis field) baseball. One of the few times that has ever been done in Fayette County baseball.

Go Fayette Bulldogs!!!! An awesome week of good fundemental baseball and 12 good heros with three good coaches. I'm sure Michael Boyland will enlighten us more but for now I'll list the heros and their coaches.

Head Coach; Mike Brooks
Pitching Coach; Mike Ashley
Outfield Coach; Tony Knowles
Score Keeper; Mark Grove.

#1 Joseph Johnson
#3 Jack Grove
#5 Taylor Jenkins
#7 Garrett Knowles
#10 Kyle Dearing
#12 Hayden Jordan
#14 Clay Brooks
#21 Jeffrey Ashley
#22 Justin Torro
#25 Tanner Dingler
#27 Jake Marchman
#30 John Gronka
#25 Tanner Dingler

Way to go Bulldogs!! Good luck in the World Series!!!

Well done boys.

But the Hero line is a bit much. Hero's are firefighters, Law Enforcement Personel, Paramedics, and our Military. Great baseball players OK. But Heroes? Please don't demean the title. Baseball is only a game.

Great job boys and congratulations on your hard work and success.

Yeah Richard. You got me all figured out. This is all about a chip. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Taking it personal? Well...maybe...nah...that's not it. I just consider the source. I am however, waiting for you to counter the facts that have been put forth in the case against your girl Linda. I don't know what kind of lawyer you are but it is obvious you wouldn't make it as a defense lawyer. We've stated our facts and they have been printed in the Citizen and verified by the courts regarding Linda's involvement in misusing her power and initiating several frivolous lawsuits against the sheriffs department.

Come on Rick. Hold Linda to the same standards you would hold Clinton to. If you don't then your verbage is as useless as thatof which you accuse me of.

Hurt feelings? By you? You pride yourself a bit too much. But I guess it comes with the job.

Gees, PTCGUY.

You are hard to figure out.

Not really.

As I mentioned repeatedly, I don't believe this forum's constant rantings and ravings had any real measurable differences in the elections.

Yep, you said it. And you have been told that because you declare what you don't agree with ranting and raving does not make it ranting and raving.

Can you learn some manners and just say you don't agree, instead of having to attach declarations of ranting, raving, people with reputatons and all the other elitist garbage to everything you say?

That is what you do not get. Every time you say something you are saying you are superior.

Just state your case and pretend you are talking to equals for a change. Being whatever you are does not make you superior.

However, as you read my premise, I did say that factual information provided online can be useful. But the slant that the bloggers who are anonymous have little if any effect at all.

But you had to attach the demand the poster had to be of known reputation. Which is false, since any post putting forth a link to facts can be verified, even if the poster is pure scum.

I also don't pretend to weld any authority or power visa via my opinions or endorsements. In fact, I believe just the opposite. It does appear that you believe that your contributions have made "the" difference and I find that rather naive.

Then your perceptive skills are flawed. Or this is an effort to 'kill the messenger.'

I am but one voice. My facts and statements are read with others to help others form an opinion of their own, whether I am viewed as acceptable or not.

On the Stormwater, I was the leading voice with the most knowledge. On Fair Tax, I am not and defer to those with more knowledge. On other topics I don't know enough and ask questions.

True, you did provide some factual information that deflected the accusations that Maxwell was a developement company, but you did that by actually providing FACTS.

And I said my point was made because of the facts. Not because of me.

You are trying too hard here to discredit me. Which reveals ulterior motives are at play.

Your rantings alone, along with the numerous other posters, have proven to be nothing more than one man's opinion, if in fact you are a man. For all I know you could be a little school girl from Austrailia.

My, my. More condenscending remarks. Attached to egotism and arrogance.

So now, I may be a liar. Thus you may be Linda in disquise.

You really want to go down that road?

So again, I just think that we don't need to take ourselves so seriously. If you have an opinion of substance, with measured doses of factual data, then submit it for Cal to run in the newspaper, where it will have the greatest impact. But don't expect this constantly changing community blog to have any real effect.

And again, you post as if it is foregone fact you are correct?

Keep talking. You don't understand the more you say the worse you look to others, since you cannot let your pride just talk without making statements of arrogance.

It reminds me of when we had recess in school and the kids would be arguing back and forth on the playground. Sure it was loud, sure it was emotional and pronouced, but at the end of the days, it was forgotten.

Keep talking. You are making an impression on the readers they will not forget soon.

Get over myself, ain't nothing to get over. My opinion weighs the same as yours, which I contend is a smidgeon more than nothing.

You really are a novice at this. You don't have a clue what you are doing to yourself.

What you interpret as my getting bent out of shape is actually egging you on to show the depths of what you are.

You have so much to learn to be a forum poster or real blogger.

So hows the weather down under?

Getting your kickers in a twist, are we?

(Oh, and as to anonymity, I'd say it cost your some business. I was intrigued by your knowledge of HTML etc., and I was looking for someone to hire to help me with one of my sites. I tried to find out who you were but I finally gave up. You probably didn't need the work but I was honestly gonna give you a buzz.)

I am suppose to believe that?

Want to see some of my work? Then go to the link in my profile. Look around. Check out the charts in the End Times Link.

See what you are missing.

Try just being human and polite. See how people talking to you will change. That was a good piece of advice. Try it.

It is not what you said that got the issues going. It is how you said it. And that means a ton on a site where the person, in totality, are their typed words.

Thinks about it. All people see are you words. No voice tones, no body language or any such thing. Just your words.

Obviously you are smart. Learn to be wise.
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