After reading the book, he’s still against change to ‘Fair’

Tue, 07/11/2006 - 5:05pm
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After writing a letter to the editor about the Fair Tax two weeks ago, I have received a lot of “feedback” from my Fair-Tax-supporting friends (at least I hope they are still my friends). One even showed up at my door with the Fair Tax book as a gift (thanks, Dave).

I had to admit to my friends that I had not read the book before writing the letter two weeks ago. Now I have read the book. Did it change my mind about the Fair Tax? No. But, it did give me a better idea why so many support the idea.

The claims made by the book would convince anyone that the Fair Tax is a great idea; that is, if you believe them. Unfortunately, many of these claims are not true. Some of the major false claims of the book are:

1. The Fair Tax would solve the problem of the tax gap because tax cheaters would be taxed on their consumption.

2. There is a 22 percent (on average) “embedded tax” in the purchase price of items we purchase under our current tax system, and no such “embedded tax” would be present under the Fair Tax.

3. The price we would pay for taxable items under the Fair Tax system would be the same as we pay today, because the “embedded tax” would be removed, offsetting the Fair Tax imposed.

4. People would be more aware of tax they are paying under the Fair Tax than they are under the income tax.

To understand how the different tax systems might work, it helps to look at the how the flow of currency in circulation is taxed. For example, assume I charged a client $1 for tax consulting services, and then used the dollar to buy a hot dog at a hot dog stand.

Under an income tax system, the hot dog stand owner and I would each have $1 in taxable income. Under the Fair Tax, my client and I would each pay tax on our $1 purchases. In both cases tax is paid on each of the two transactions, only it is shifted from the seller to the buyer with the Fair Tax.

Now, to illustrate how the tax gap might work, assume the hot dog stand owner decides not to report the $1 on his tax return. Under the income tax, I still pay my income tax, but the hot dog stand owner does not.

Now, let’s look at the Fair Tax. Do you think the hot dog stand owner (or a prostitute or a drug dealer) is any more likely to report cash income on a Fair Tax return than on an income tax return? I doubt it. So, the tax would go uncollected on the hot dog purchase.

Again, the tax is paid on one transaction, but not on the other. This does not solve the tax gap.

If I were to use the same type of logic the authors of the book used, I could claim that the Fair Tax would actually cause a tax gap that does not exist now. When an illegal drug user purchases drugs under the Fair Tax, he or she would escape taxation on the purchase, causing a tax gap. Under the income tax, we now tax their income when they earn it, so this tax gap does not exist.

One hint as to why the “embedded tax” argument is flawed comes from the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

The book paints the picture that there is no real economic cost of the Fair Tax to anybody. When a consumer goes to make a purchase, the cost of the item including the Fair Tax would supposedly be the same as pre-Fair Tax prices. So, the tax really costs them nothing. All other taxes are gone, so in effect nobody feels any tax bite. Yet, the government still collects the same amount of tax. This is voodoo economics.

This “embedded tax” does exist in our current tax system; however, there is also “embedded tax” in goods and services under the Fair Tax plan.

When an employee is paid by a proverbial “widget” maker, there are payroll and income taxes paid under our current system. Although these taxes are primarily incurred by the employee, they are reflected in the cost of making the widget because the employee loses buying power.

But, under the Fair Tax, the employee also loses buying power because of the tax that will be imposed when he or she spends the compensation.

I was surprised the authors of the book even tried to argue the fourth point above. I certainly have no idea how much sales tax I paid last year. And that is with an exclusive sales tax that is added to my bill. An inclusive sales tax like the Fair Tax is even more hidden. Do you have any idea how much federal gas tax you paid last year?

There are some real differences between the Fair Tax and our current tax system. On the plus side, the Fair Tax would be simpler to administer than our current system (although not as simple as the authors would have you believe), and the Social Security tax, a tax that is regressive and harmful to start-up businesses, would be replaced.

However, these pluses are far outweighed by the increase in tax burden that the middle class would see under the Fair Tax. Unfortunately, the authors choose not to truthfully analyze these real differences. Instead, they painted a rosy picture of the Fair Tax that does not reflect reality.

Ed Outlaw
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by WakeUp on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 1:04pm.

Your reasoning is not in accordance with my understanding of the Fair Tax. Let me explain:

Under an income tax system, the hot dog stand owner and I would each have $1 in taxable income. Under the Fair Tax, my client and I would each pay tax on our $1 purchases.

The hot dog stand owner would not claim $1, but rather reduce this amount by operating expenses, ie Cost of Goods.

Now, let’s look at the Fair Tax. Do you think the hot dog stand owner (or a prostitute or a drug dealer) is any more likely to report cash income on a Fair Tax return than on an income tax return? I doubt it. So, the tax would go uncollected on the hot dog purchase..

OK, now I am really lost. Is there supposed to be Fair Tax return? My understanding is the tax is collected at time of purchase without the option of non-reporting. Also, the drug dealer / prostitute will not file a tax return under our current system, but will pay a tax at the time the illegal gains are spent.

I was surprised the authors of the book even tried to argue the fourth point above. I certainly have no idea how much sales tax I paid last year. And that is with an exclusive sales tax that is added to my bill. An inclusive sales tax like the Fair Tax is even more hidden. Do you have any idea how much federal gas tax you paid last year?

The fuel tax is embedded and “hidden”. However, the Fair Tax / Sales Tax is added on the time of purchase and therefore would be “seen”. Besides, you only pay tax on what you spend, not what you earn.

If my comments are not in accordance with the proposed legislation, then I guess I don’t understand it. However, you seem to twist the scenarios around with inaccuracies in order to validate your objections to this Fair Tax. Nice long letter, but it doesn’t fly with me. Still in favor of the Fair Tax.


Submitted by nusport on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 12:33pm.

I am not sure where to start.

The one dollar hot dog.
For starters you could not take the $1 your client gave you and spend it the same day….unless he paid you in cash…..I wonder if all of that income would be reported?
Also, you would not actually have the $1 that was paid you, assuming you reported the income, because the income tax would have left you with about $.60, so you would not now be able to afford that $1 hot dog.
How does our current tax system ensure that the vendor will pay the tax on the $1 now? Why would the fair tax make it any more attractive not to declare the income?
When the vendor spends your dollar under the fair tax, he gets to spend the entire dollar.

Since when do prostitutes or drug dealers report income? Please use your melon occasionally! I guess they send in quarterly estimated tax amounts as all good private business owners do and settle up each year on April 15. I wonder how they answer the ‘Employer’ section of the return? Do you think their pimp or possibly higher up gang member pay their social security taxes?

I am getting frustrated with your logic and cannot continue.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 2:46pm.

As a Business owner, now, I collect zero taxes on service work, but 7% on sales.

I receive a form for the Georgia Sales & Use Tax division. Total Sales - Sales Tax Collected is taxable.

It is split out into different kinds of collects, but the net effect is I am liable for 7% to this division on taxable sales.

From that taxable amount I deduct 3% as a fee for acting as the States collector. I keep the 3%.

Quarter I pay estimated income tax to the State and Feds for what is projected I will earn in the year.

Annually my Gross Tax is adjusted by the cost of merchandise, doing business and so on. My annual tax due is calculated from that amount and I either owe more or get a refund.

But, if I am way off, I am subject to a penalty for paying too much or too little, if they choose to charge it.

That is just the corporation tax.

Then, I have to do it all again as personal tax.

It currently is a nightmare. Way too many employees and forms involved.

If my understanding of the Fair Tax is anywhere near correct, I collect the sales tax from my customer and then pay it, hopefully, just to the Georgia Sales & Tax Division. They will distribute it to the Feds, State and County as appropriate.

That takes care of the customers tax.

In turn, when I buy something for personal use, I pay sales tax on it.

As for the business related things I buy, for consumption into what becomes the end product, there would be some kind of Federal or State ID Number, as there is now, that would exempt me from paying tax on business purchases.

But for corporation purchases where the corp consumes or owns the product, for it own use, tax would be paid.

So, by exempting business purchases from sales tax, since only the end user is suppose to pay the tax, I should be left with only personal sales tax to pay.

I am sure I got something wrong in the exact details, but I believe the overall principle is what is going on.

And I believe would be more fair.

Overall, the current system is bloated, overtly expensive in overhead and too complex. A good fair tax system would be more efficient and actually get a better bang for the tax dollars collected.

Because the average consumer does not see all the paperwork and other such nonsense business has to deal with, they sure see it in the end cost of their purchases.

Oh, yea. By using the number system I said on corp. taxes, a red flag system could be set up to catch business trying to do unreceipted work.

Never perfect, but currently a lot of that kind of fraud occurs.

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Submitted by Sailon on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 6:25pm.

First, do away with all other taxes---all. Then have each government function, local, state, and federal, simply bill each one of us for what amount they need to run things. We just write one check, or put it on a credit card, and we are done. Can't be any less simple. No prebates, no deductions, no eliminating groceries and medical fees, just the total bill divided by 300 million people and mailed to each of us---babies and all. We all got a SS number, so they know who we air. Sure would reduce the birth rate also. Let's see: 500,000,000,000 dollars divided by 300,000,000 equal about $1,667 per person, per 500 billion needed. That ought to suit the people making a lot of money well. If for some reason one couldn't pay the $1667 per person, and none of the dudes with a lot of money would help you pay it, then you would be eligible to file for taxrupcy. Makes a lot more sense than the "fair tax" to me. Now taxrupcy is.........never mind.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 6:52pm.

That was about the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 3:24pm.

The National Retail Sales Tax is by no means perfect as you stated. But it sure beats the heck out of what we have now.

I collect and pass on Georgia sales tax revenues on a monthly basis for over a million dollars a month. The money I collect is not mine. I send them an EFT on a monthly basis and can assure you if one of those auditors come through the door they WILL figure out how many hot dogs you bought and you better have the right answers and proof or they'll nail you tooty to the wall. I know. I thought we ran a squeaky clean shop and after two days of not providing the proof they wanted on some exempt sales I got humbled and convinced that things better be done their way. I had to invent $66K in a hurry. Did it and now we are in compliance (I hope).

My point is that it will be the businesses that will bear the responsibility for collecting and reporting correctly the taxes due. No big deal. I'm not concerned about the guvment getting their amounts. Trust me. They will still get it at the point of a gun. It will actually make my job easier and I can spend more time complying with the ridiculous regs in other areas of my biz.

My concern is that if I extend $100K in credit to a customer and they turn out to be a deadbeat and I don't get paid do I still have to pass on the tax. That's the only negative I have found and would like an answer to that one. Other than that....SIGN ME UP FOR THE NRST.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 5:26pm.

I will take the Sales Tax forms any day over the S2, 942 and all the rest.

And the annual book that gets written to figure out a tax amount. Amazing.

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