You are correct in all you say. Tyrone's two councilmen just can't get over the defeat they suffered when the county commissioners prevented them from using Shamrock Park as the construction site of their grand library/police station/administrative complex. The Town allowed Shamrock Park, which is used daily by citizens of all ages, to become run down in the hopes of building there. When that plan was stymied by the county commission (at the request of citizens who wanted to keep the park), they hurriedly started bulldozing the site of Triangle Park. "The people want a park? We'll give 'em a park, by golly! THIS will be our town park!!" Once the ground in Triangle Park nearly was laid bare, save for a few trees, all action stopped for weeks until it was evident that three large trees had died. All of a sudden, those trees got cut down in a hurry, as they only advertised how careless the Town had been. We now have a patch of red dirt in the middle of town. But then, as you say, Handley Park was built on wetlands, so Triangle Park is just another hack job by the "Erosion is Us" gang. Why was development of the small Triangle Park, which could be nice green space but is ridiculous as a location for the children's playground they have planned for that site, given priority over Shamrock Park? Because Letourneau, Smola, and the mayor have a point to prove. Like little children, they're letting it be known that "We don't wanna do it and you can't make us." Don't expect that $18,000 to be spent on Shamrock Park. They'll fabricate a recreation need (like the pressing need to plow up Triangle Park) before they spend it on Shamrock Park. I, too, am tired of the arrogant attitudes on display and of watching a certain councilman lean back in his chair with his arms crossed at council meetings, rolling his eyes and harrumphing as if the remarks made by the two newer council members and the "little people" are just downright insufferable. Come next election, he (and his buddy) won't have to suffer those meetings any longer.

I have tried my best not to comment, Some of my outspokenness and going door to door stumping for the new councilwomen may be part of the reason I and my child seem to draw the ire of the Tyrone police, but here goes. Some time ago, after my first encounter with Tyrone government and the questionable things I saw, I tried to dig deeper to see what made them tick and how they had gotten away with so much, so long. I became curious at the frosty relation between Tyrone and the county. After much reading of Fayette county's old minutes of their commisoners meetings,(they, unlike Tyrone, keep them for years on line, for any and all to read)and archives of the Citizen, it became quite clear.
Fayette county commiss has always tried to run this county the way the people who pay taxes wanted. That is what they are suppose to do right? Fayette county people have always wanted to control development and have a say in what happens to their county. One way of controlling the growth and developers, was to keep sewer out of unencorporated Fayette county. Enter Tyrone, Weiland, and the sewer line across unincorporated Fayette county. What Tyrone did to Fayette county and the way they did it, I feel, was shamefull. By blundering along at Wieland behest, they almost set up the entire county for public sewer, and along with it 1 or even 1/2 acre lots. And, quite a bit of land that Fayette county said no to small lots, became part fo Tyrone. Letourneau said some ugly things about Fayette commissoners in the Citizen. Tyrone and the county went to court to settle their battles. It is a wonder Fayette county ..ever...gave us another dollar. Then the wildest thing I ever saw was Smola getting up before the people at a town council meeting bubling about how great it was that the County was gonna hand over Shamrock park for them to put a library on. Not only did it put the Commiss in a bad place, they were not at all sure that was what the people of Tyrone wanted. Quite a few of us went over to one of their meetings to tell them this was contrary to our desires. Unlike people on the Tyrone Town council, they held the wants of the majority above the wants of a few. Smola didn't get his library on Shamrock park. I feel if L and Smol had any class, they would have thanked the commiss for giving them anything after the show they have put on through the years, but they didn't, to no ones surprise.

Just an observation from someone who does not really have a dog in this hunt other than the commissioners are mine too. But didn't you just arrive on the scene portraying an innocent citizen who's children were victimized by the Tyrone police. This nice little lady who under ordinary circumstances would not have bothered to post here except for the treatment her innocent children received at the hands of the the tobbacco drueling cop. I'm not saying that didn't happen but now it appears as the whole story was used or put in motion to further a political agenda you have. I'm sure I'll get blasted for this one but that's what I get paid to do here. I hope I'm wrong on this but your agenda looks mighty suspicious.

I'm sure I'll get blasted for this

If you do, I've got your back. I thought the same when I read it.

It wasn't just me then.

But I may be getting pretty cynical. I was looking for it before this last post went up.

I'm looking to meet several new posters and hear more stories before July 18.

So you see? Cynical.

Something felt wrong on the cop story to me as well. As if there was an already existing anger before the incident.

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Have you ever thought the underling thing is just plain a seithing anger overbeing treated this way? Yes, I have checked out the past problems Tyrone has had with the county. I couldn't understand the ongoing feud between county and town. Rather than take someone else's word for what was going on, I looked for myself. The reason I said I didn't want to make a comment on this, is I have washed my hands of the whole town and am going to move. I shouldn't get involved and a don't care at this point if the powers that be in Tyrone kill each other. It just bothered me that the attitude here is not something I think much of. The way the council treated the gift from the county is sort of how I feel the citizens are treated.
Like Muddle, I have the lawyer bills to prove it. I was very upset over the way my child was done. The deal with me was just the iceing on the cake. No one runs around their car daily to see if they have a light out for God's sake. Telling me the light was out and writing a warning would have been enough. The same officer that chased my kid in the swamp was the same one that pulled me over.
I still have to go to court for this, and I have the tickets to prove it. It was an awfull thing to do. The Town of Tyrone is responsible for the people they hire and the only thing that happened is they made money at my expense. But we are moving, this is just about the most outlandish thing I have ever had happen and my tax money will not pay another cent toward the salary of anyone with this kind of behavior.

I could not find the police issue again.

But did you not say there was an issue of outstanding ticket(s)?

That makes it more than just a tail light out.

No. I an not going to defend towns using tickets as a revenue source.

But, as things in the economy get worse, I see it more and more. And am on the road through several counties more often than I care to be.

Many things out there are unfair. And until voters start telling elected officials to clean it up or you are out of office, it will not change.

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were paid! The DMV said when I was there, that the police could see the same records they had, and that on May 24, they were PAID. What he charged me for was that now after I paid the tickets, I was suppose to go to Conyers, or downtown Atlanta and pay a reinstatemnt fee of $35.00. The judge didn't say anything about it. What the DMV said, and it was, again, 3 different ones, saying the same thing. This happens all the time, people don't realise they have todo this last step. Police pull them over for something else, notice this, and give them a WARNING! Then they come over to Conyers and pay the $35.00. That legally, they can arrest you, but that no one ever does.The point is, he could have given me a warning n told me this, but it wouldn't have made any money for Tyrone. That is the whole point. It is not about the welfare of the citizens here, it is about the almighty buck and how much more they can squeeze out of us. Tyrone has higher taxes than Peachtree city, did you know that? And we have nothing nearly as nice here. It is just not worth it, and I won't be treated like that. There is no respect for citizens here. This was the same guy that chased my kid in the swamp.

I see what you are saying.

This is too complex for me to make a comment on.

So, I will cease with Tyrone and tickets have often been thought to be synonymous terms. But it still seems like many other things have become mixed in your issues with Tyrone.

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This is too funny for words and I swear I didn't mess with this web site! I think you would agree after looking at this, word has gotten around that Tyrone is indeed known as a speed trapp and tickets to the citizens as a way of helping their budget out! This is a sad thing to be known for in an encyclopedia! I agree with you PTC Guy and like to read what you say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone%2C_Georgia Should I take this to court?

A very good judge informed us, on Jury Duty, once, that the function of a court is not to just, but to enforce the Law.

You have an uphill battle. To win a case you would have to prove that even with what the did being legal, it intent was to raise money and not enforce the Law.

That is one hard battle to win.

You need legal advice beyond my scope of expertise. Even with good proof, you and Tyrone could end up both loosing.

You loose because they did nothing illegal. They loose on being malfeascent or misfeascent.

Or, they could sympathize and say it was legal. Period.

Or, you could win if the scales tip your way.

But ONLY if it is a civil and not a criminal case.

Good luck. What a mess.

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I wouldn't take that to court. I know they will stick it to me, but they were going to anyway. I just fell over laughing when I saw that ..and couldn't resist putting it on here. I will be the bad guy somehow, but that's ok...it will be the ..last dime I spend here.

And wise decision.

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statement I had made, I said I had said at a council meeting when discussing the budget, that the police needed a raise, as they are suppose to protect us and that I now felt you could find my picture in the dictionary next to the word -sucker!
Like I said, I shouldn't have commented because I don't care what they do from this point on. It will be no reflecton on be, as I won't be living here.

Have a nice life somewhere else and please don't tell us how to vote on your way out.

my comment was .not. about who to vote for, but about something else. It was .not. negative about PTC, it was about something else.

Those are issues Tyrone needs to look into concerning their own elected officials.

It in no way changes the fact Dunn, Wells and Peter were grandstanding because two are up for election. And are in trouble with the voters.

The rush to change the budget, all three going, all three appearing high and visible at a meeting and so on is the issue that concerns voters in the County Council elections.

We don't vote for Tyrone officials. So we are looking at what it means in the 3 county officials doing it.

With sincerity, if what you say is all true in the way you say it is true, you need to examine your own next election.

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I understand and believe me, Tyrone elected officials will be booted out of office in the next election. There is no way this town can take another 4 years of Smola and Letourneau.

And with them, let's also get rid of the corrupt cops that have brought such suffering on old ladies and kids. Let them find jobs in Alabama.

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Legal, but very unethical. And disgusting.

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Kind of like Greg getting in the picture at Memorial Day event for the Veterans and then plastering it on his campaign mailer. Reminds me of the Pharisees in the temple making sure they're seen while praying. You gotta love the cheap campaign stunts.

Sounds a lot like Kerry jumping into Nam with a camera and body guard, for a few short months (normal tour of that kind was 2 years) and then leaving. Convenietly picking up a Purple Heart as well.

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...while Bush and Cheney evaded serving on ludicrous excuses and kept pumping booze and dope.

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I was in uniform dealing with Nam while Kerry was flapping his gums, before Congress, telling his lies about Vets in Nam.

Do not expect me to ever let that jerk off the hook.

But then again, you would have to be a Vet from then to understand.

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That at least sets you apart from Bush and Cheney. Now, that means you saw first hand the genocide of the Communists and the stupidity of the US role there. You most probably, as the majority os soldiers didn't have a clue what you were doing there. The very first conflict and war we lost, Iraq soon to follow.

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My security clearance was too high to be in combat.

I am MORE than aware of what came directly out of DC, Nam, China and Russia. Not government propoganda or protestor garbage. The raw facts without any political spin on it.

It was not pretty.

People lived and died per how well I did my job.

You are the one who does not have a clue of what the realities were then. There was more going on than you will ever know.

If we followed your kind of thinking then, we would be in really big hurt now.

Yes, the blasted liberals in Congress screwed up Nam big time. They got thousands of our guys killed in a war we could have won.

That is why you will never see me supportive of liberal politics. I know too much.

Kerry went there with a self serving agenda. I consider him a traitor.

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You just probably found a way to skip the action, like a good Senator's son.

The same atrocities that elements of the US Army performed in Nam, have been performed in other conflicts, either by our own or by our surrogates. Just look at what's been happening in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the rape and murder of civilians, etc. We trained those that killed American nuns and Jesuit priests in Central America.
It looks like you didn't do your job very well (or did it to well, judging by the results). We are in big hurt already, Bush messed up after 9-11 and now we are seen as immoral bullies by the rest of the world. Travel abroad my PeeTeeCee Guy friend, and you will understand what I mean.

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PTC-Guy

The rest of us are very thankful for you and all the troops that have served and are serving this country today.

It allows lower forms of human behavior to exist and sit behind a computer screen to tell us what we are doing wrong, and have no clues on how to resolve - part of the problem not part of the solution.

PTC-GUY we are honored to have your presents. Wish I could say the same for others.

Thanks.

I am always amazed that such as Dragnet have all the understanding and knowledge about what happened where they never were.

Kerry lied. Kerry played the system for political reasons with political backing to not serve a full term in Nam, but just enough to use up the film and such he brought with him,

If others cannot see what he did as a planned action, they are blind.

There were problems. But they came from the liberals in DC, not the guys in Nam.

The Cong did not play nice. Strapping gernades under dresses of little girls and forcing them to run at soldiers shows what the enemy was capable of.

Printing the pics and stories of those girls getting shot neither included those facts or the reality of the gernade going off afterwards.

It is all so frustrating to many of us who have been there in different ways and different places.

I feel for the Iraq Vets who get attacked by liberals when they come home. It has been over 30 years, for me, and other Nam and Nam Era Vets. But many of us can still hear 'Baby Killer' welcoming us home.

I want no one to think I was a combat soldier. I would never try to place myself with those men and what they went through.

What I went through was very rough. But it was rough for different reasons.

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I see Jesus ooozing out of your witness. Share your faith with me please. I want to be like you.

PTC Guy.... Don't respond to that goofball. Thanks for your service sir. Wonder what Dragqueen has ever done for his country? If he were in Nam spouting off his picture would be a true representation of his condition. Because of folks like you he can say that crap and live to tell about it.

Dragboy, give us some more of that good stuff you've got stashed in your fertile mind. Please tell me more about Bush and Cheney oh wise one.

To be distracted from by the Council of Three.

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