Rex, Lenox and Schlosser

The main problem with the Direct PAC's Rex Green and Rick Schlosser is that their motives are extremely transparent. Rex works for Group VI and they are suing the city over a tennis building that floods. Rick is a land developer who used to be a top gun for old PCDC. Their backing Harold Logsdon is like breathing on someone when you have the plague. Logsdon is so tied into the bad guys that it should be tattooed on to his forehead. Bob Lenox has done nothing but prove Steve Brown and Steve Rapson right on the need for open government. If he was any more obnoxious we could convict him of terrorism. The sad part is that Logsdon is actually bragging about having the support of Green, Schlosser and Lenox as if that helps him in the eyes of the public. That's the way I feel.

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Submitted by cmc865 on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 3:41pm.

People are always complaining of certain membership in the directpac, however there are many members like myself who have no ties to DAPC, or Group VI, or any other organization. We just want repectable people who will represent the city in a professional manner. We also want to be able to voice an alternative point of view or a different perspective and not be disrespected by certain elected officals. We are not always going to agree on everything however we can be professional and tactful when having a discussion.

Submitted by secretindirectpac on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 7:55am.

The PROBLEM with DIRECTPAC is the lack of leadership. How can you say you are unbiased and are going to recommend the best candidate for an election and then not interview or speak with the two incumbents? That’s not fair or unbiased. I can understand Mayor Brown’s recommendation but picking Steve Boone over Steve Rapson loses all your credibility. You say, "We just want repectable people who will represent the city in a professional manner... and tactful when having a discussion." I think Mr. Rapson reflects that position perfectly. Your leadership makes you look like Brown haters, silly and certainly biased. If you want to be a valid organization then you need to stop the Brown bashing and start recommending the best candidate for the position.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 10:34am.

Hey Cal, here's a multiple user for you to zap. Its good ole Steve Brown - I hope that doesn't influence your enforcement policies. Joe Swanson, Tate Christian and idontknow - all Brown, all the time.

I'll say this for you Steve, you can be funny. Your choice of the name Tate Christian is clever.

Unfortunately, we don'tneed a funny mayor, we need a mature one. That ain't you.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 12:33pm.

Don't vote for Steve Brown. Please.

Please vote for Harold or Dar, preferably Dar.

I am extremely confused as to why people seem to believe that I am Steve Brown. I thought what I stated was AGAINST Steve Brown, but perhaps I am misunderstood. Can someone explain why they think that???

Seriously, not Steve Brown.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 1:22pm.

Ok, I'm sorry - you are not Brown, although it sure looked that way early this morning. My apology. Calling someone Brown is a real insult.

He has however assumed multiple identities on here and that is simply another indicator of mental illness.

Maybe we can all play a new game - Spot the wacko!

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 12:45pm.

Just read his last comment. "Please vote for Harold or Dar, preferably Dar". If he wasn't Brown, he would have reversed the order in that staement because he knows Harold poses a huge threat to his re-election bid. People KNOW you are Brown because of your writing style and the "facts" you employ in your blogs.

I know it hurts, Steve, but give it a rest. You are identified. Go make up another fake name and vote for yourself, you need a few votes 'cause third place ain't gonna cut it next Tuesday.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 12:57pm., I'll do something Brown won't do. I won't say "we'll just have to agree to disagree".

I PROMISE I'm not Brown, and the "facts" I employ? I stated that the GBI DIDN'T FIND CRIMINAL WRONGDOING (gee, did Brown say that?). I stated that WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE CART PATHS (I'm guessing that one is obvious). I stated that A MAJOR EMPLOYER LEFT PTC; an employer, by the way, that Brown strongly opposed at every turn.

I don't read bits and pieces and surmise the whole, as the current mayor appeared to do with his "waste dump". Heck, probably 40% of us live on some developers' trash piles. I believe in the facts, and while I may use a similar writing style (and after proofreading some of my posts, I should definitely stop drinking all the NyQuil at once), I HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS!!!!!!!

Ugh - I wish I understood. Vote for Dar (my choice). Vote for Harold (many others). Vote for the Kelpies of Peachtree City (5 points if you know what that reference is from), for all I care, as long as it's NOT BROWN. And remember, only about 30% of the registered voters of PTC will vote, so that should scare you. Tell your friends, BEG THEM, to vote on Tuesday. Remember the runoff four years ago...let's make sure that the final two aren't Brown.

OK - now have I made my point??????????????

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 1:28pm.

Kelpies! Wow! Ok, you are defintely not Brown - I even know who you are and where you live. Kelpies, the fairly-like creatures that starred in a children's story set in PTC written by M.J. Sutherland. Right?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:57pm.

Hamster dear, can you give me a clue to let me know that you know who I am?????

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 11:14am.

Sorry for the delay, i was banished for 2 days, apologized and I'm back.

Your clue is a song Bobby Day performed in 1957.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 6:44pm.

You win a free weekend getaway at the Drake Motel, followed by an all expenses paid day of fun at the Dixie Frozen Foods plant, a shopping spree at Hudson's, capped off by a rousing lunch at Frank n' Fries.

OK, kids...can you name the locations of these places (seriously, I'd love to see how many people remember those out there - please reply!)? I'm sure half the candidates can't. PTC has always been a wonderful town, be it with one traffic light or twenty. We've always been a little different, but we've always been a big family. It's a shame it can't stay that way, given the divisive political, what's-in-it-for-me crowd we have today.

Remember, we all moved to PTC for a reason - we plan well, and let the worker bees work. I don't think of good planning when I think of the current mayor, but that's just my opinion. Good ideas should be well thought out, considered, tested and debated BEFORE they're every brought up to a vote.

I like Dar's concepts of Town Hall meetings....bring the government to the people. Give as many chances as possible to hear what EVERYONE has to say, not just the few with a personal problem...but be proactive in it, not reactive, negative or inflammatory.

For example, if there was a problem with the Development Authority, it should have been identified and attempted to be fixed BEFORE it ever got on the front page of the paper. Same thing with the "waste dump" issue...the "leader" of a government may not wish to use the media as his primary sounding board without first allowing the people hired to solve the problems do their work. Yes, the media is an important part of the political and governing process, but there is such a thing as discretion. You can still have "open government" without "open season", revealing all your issues to the world.

Anywho, I'm babbling....I gladly await everyone's criticism, but more directly, the ANSWERS TO MY TRIVIA!

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:40pm.

Sure, why not.
1. Dixie Frozen Foods was located on the site that has now become The Avenues, up near where the Prudential office is.
2. Hudson's, later A&T was located where World Gym is now. Vote Dar!sorry , my wife typed that last part and thinks it is funny. I think Dar is funny.
3. Frank n' Fries was on 54 west near just past the entrance to Wal Mart and Home Depot.

Are there rewards for the correct answers?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:45pm.

And the motel?

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 10:24am.

Is that the building that was a combo library, city hall, church on the top of the hill where the current library is now?

What fun! Sorry I missed this last night. I would have gotten the other 3 for sure.

How about these?
1. What was the name of the owner of Frank n' Fries and what was his other job?
2. Who was the first baby born in PTC?
3. Where was the first church in PTC and who was the pastor?


Submitted by Reality Bytes on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 12:50pm.

OK, here goes:

1. I know one of the owners was a Mr. Rogin, as I went to school with his son (I could be wrong, my somewhat young mind is fuzzy). I don't know his other occupation.

2. Gonna have to pass on this one - I thought I had an idea - it was a girl, wasn't it?

3. Don Smith - Presbyterian?

Sorry I don't have the info - maybe I should review my old This Week in Peachtree City's or call Jimmy Booth...anybody know the name of the room where they're kept at the library (the newspapers, not Mr. Booth)? And, have you SEEN the new library? Quite a gem, in my opinion.

More questions! This is more fun than Brown-bashing! Just don't vote for him!

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 2:49pm.

Not bad - except for the girl


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 2:46pm.

1. Don Rogin and he was a builder.
2. Joel Cowan Jr. is a boy
3. Don Smith is right, although the services were multi-demoninational and I think the church was located in that same building that you are calling the Drake motel.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 2:50pm.

A+ Robert, maybe you should writing the questions.

Submitted by G-bug on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:52pm.

Please extend the entry time. Robert W. Morgan doesn't know about hotels. He and his girlfriend would just steam up the car windows in the employee parking lot. Pretty economical though. Maybe he's googling his fanny off trying to find it now. Give him a few minutes.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:56pm.

I'm not too sure I want to watch Robert googling his fanny off. It just doesn't sound natural...

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:56pm.

bizzare attacks by g-bug notwithstanding, here's the next bit of trivia...can you name all the PTC mayors IN ORDER? First one to do so wins tickets to the Hardee's at Highway 54 by Big Star!

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:59pm.

Robert thinks he's gonna get this one, but my answer is faster and correct. The question being, "Can you name all the PTC mayors in order?"

My answer is "No." That is a correct response.

Supersize that for me will you?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 9:04pm.

WatchDog catches me on a technicality! Are you SURE you're not the mayor??? Smiling Now, for those of you who can, please list PTC's mayors in order for a Del Taco gift certificate - located across the street from Famous Pizza (where is this one).

Yeah, this is going nowhere, I know, but let's have some fun here.

But would a supersize work when you can just eat more chick'n? (Hardee's is the Chick-Fil-A now).

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Submitted by oodlesOpoodles on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 9:28pm.

Sorry I Don't Know, but my answer about the mayors would come closer to Watchdogs then the one you want. I've got Joel, Chip, Fred, Bob and Steve, but can't remember the one between Joel and Chip. But I am dissapointed that you went to neo with the Famous Pizza. After all, Steve only left there a couple years ago when Doc Johnsons' business got better than those of us who enjoyed a good Godfather Sub would have liked. Of course, I go to Doc Johnson, so I guess I am part of my own demise.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Thu, 11/03/2005 - 12:54pm.

Joel Cowan
Chip Conner
Ralph Jones
Herb Frady
Howard Morgan (God rest his soul)
Fred Brown
Bob Lenox
and that other guy...I forget his name...

do I have them in the right order???

And don't forget, ALL of them still living opposed the current guy on SPLOST. I would guess ALL of them would oppose his re-election, too. And they're not all "old guard" development guys...

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 11:21am.

Correct, but it was pretty easy after the ads in last weeks paper.

Where else would you ever find an incumbent mayor opposed by 4 regular citizens (the ex-councilman is not that unusual) and the same incumbent mayor getting a very strong non-endorsement by all the previous mayors?

More proof as to what a loser we have as mayor. Words of wisdom Steve, when it begins to look like everyone else is wrong, maybe the problem is you.

Submitted by Joe Swanson on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 1:24pm.

OK, Carol "Hamster" , "Birdman" we accept that you and the former Mayors do not like/are jealous of Steve Brown. Any more skirt hiking and you'll need to give out numbers. I'm with you so far.

What's hilarious is that you don't see it ---- the average voter is laughing. Why would these former politicians unite to oppose Brown? And at the same time why would the local newspaper endorse Brown ? For the same reason: Brown (unlike you Carol) is able to "Just say No" to the Developer crowd.

BTW Carol, it was Murray Weed who pounded you at the polls and not Steve Rapson. Why make those babbling comments about his new job?

Submitted by Gene Fritz on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 2:22pm.

I have to admit, that as a former Resident of PTC, I enjoy reading the Political rantings and hashings of election season. But whoever Joe Swanson is, you Sir are crossing the line with the skirt hiking comments. No one needs to be subjected to sexual innuendo in the blogs, and certainly not Carol.

Carol isn't Hamster, not Birdman, not a regular reader, and has never made a Post, nor have I. She never responded to unfair attacks during her candidacy or term as Councilman, but did her job. She suffered personal private attacks and insults from our Mayor and his troup without comment, but now you are attacking me and my family as private citizens. Please cease and desist from this type of comment.

Do some research on the issues and vote for your choice of Candidate, and kindly leave my family out of it.

Gene Fritz

Submitted by dkinser on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 5:04pm.

To my knowledge, I have never met Ms. Fritz, but nobody should be subjected to this type of behaviour. This is exactly why I have been repeatedly stating, "Stick to the issues and not the personalities".

Mr. Swanson, I would hope that whomever you are that you have enough dignity to apologize to Ms. Fritz and her family. Regardless of what you may think of a person, your insults go beyond reasonable expectations.

Should you not find it in yourself, then I wish to apologize to the Fritz family on his behalf.

Once again, let's stick to the issues people. Personal attacks by readers and bloggers are not the issue.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by nikki on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 4:55pm.

I agree with you. These comments have crossed the line.
Where is Cal? Isn't he supposed to monitoring these remarks?

Joe Swanson, please keep in mind that many young people are viewing
these remarks as part of their civic/political science classes in
school. They do not need to be subjected to your lewd comments.
What kind of example are you teaching these kids? Grow up!

Submitted by Joe Swanson on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 5:03pm.

Oh, Nikki/XFactor/Greg Madison, what would you do with these young, impressionable young people? Enroll them in your Hitler youth ? Your example to young people is as useful as Kim Il Jong in a debate about arms control.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 5:56pm.

Hey Joe Steve Brown Swanson, the best defense is a good offense right? I concur with the others, you have gone way over the line and have embarassed and humiliated yourself into a complete and total disreagard of interest of anything you have to say. Do us all a favor and go away. In only three more days, you can at long last spend your time on instead of here.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 5:07pm.

..."young, impressionable young people". I think that's a bit for the department of redundancy department Smiling

Can we get back to the CURRENT candidates and CURRENT issues, not what may have happened 5 years ago???

Maybe, just maybe, the threads here could stop being a front for ridiculous ethnic-baiting and personal attacks on those who aren't in the election and start being a somewhat coherent debate about why we think so-and-so is the best candidate and why so-and-so is not? I am SO TIRED of DAPC, old guard, illegal, corrupt, blah blah blah. Unsubstantiated attacks, petty name calling...ok, is this 6th grade?

What have you done for me lately, folks? What will you do for me tomorrow? Have there been problems - you betcha! Will there be problems in the future - you can count on it, regardless of who wins. How about this for a contest for you bloggers - who of you out there can answer this question - WHO DO YOU SUPPORT FOR EACH OFFICE AND WHY IS THAT PERSON THE BEST FOR THE JOB? Otherwise, how about everybody else just shut up with the Hitler/Satan/Kennedy/liberal/conservative CRUD!

Submitted by dkinser on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 5:14pm.

Here, Here on the getting back to current candidates.

The irony that I find here is that so many of these people attack Mayor Brown for his attacks, yet they also attack others with just as much venom and hatred.

These people should take a good look in the mirror before slinging anymore insults and accusations.

Consider this, Mayor Brown may have insulted them due to the insults they have slung too.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by birdman on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 6:53pm.

Actually, Dana, you have it backwards. Brown is the master of accusation and innuendo. Much of the nastiness has been by people who are tired of being bashed by him. However if you read most of the Free Speech or the blog, you will find that most of the bad stuff comes from Brown supporters against the "old guard." But as for issues, (since you asked) I am not voting for Brown because he has failed to address any issue that the next council will have to deal with. Not finances, not annexation, not rebuilding relations with the surrounding communities, not the dismal shape of the golf cart paths. The other candidates have all addressed these issues, check their websites. Only Brown has failed to address these. So if you want an issue oriented debate, look to those who will discuss the issues. Brown isn't one of them.

Submitted by dkinser on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 7:26pm.

Birdman, you missed one important part of my last comment. It was a question and not a statement. I didn't say that Brown detractors started the fiasco and nor did I say that Brown started it.

But somewhere along the way, the lines were crossed and we ended up with alot of bitterness and absolute hatred. The latter bothers me more so.

Quite frankly put, the speakers of DirectPAC tend to be involved in commercial real estate development programs, therefore; they give the slant that it is indeed the developers against Brown. As you stated in an earlier post, not all developers are bad, but when you lose control over the developer, it is indeed bad, for the only one that gains in that environment is the developer.

I do not, and never will; endorse rampant development of any community. So in the end, someone who is not in bed with the development community may be ultimately in the best interest of our city. Read the first letter from the following and you'll get my take on DirectPAC.


I cannot support Dan Tennant because his "Absolutely No" to annexation is no better than the stance that Murray Weed took. Annexation doesn't have to be bad, but it does need control and the candidates that I intend to vote for have indicated that they feel the same.

In the end, I anxiously await the outcome of Tuesday night and again the outcome of December 6th. Should my candidates win, I'll be happy but will still monitor their actions. Should they lose, I'll support the duly elected officials, but again; will monitor their actions.

Good luck to all candidates and thanks for your interest in this wonderful city.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by birdman on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 10:09pm.

Dana, you need to get out and talk to people. Have you ever contacted anyone in DirectPac? Ever asked why the Pac exists? Ever wonder why Brown is so vengeful against them or anyone else? Why not research it more and find out what caused such a group to form. Has it ever occurred to anyone that the city is essentially at buildout,and the benefit to a developer is very limited? Have you ever wondered why Brown, who was so against annexation, negotiated in private with Weiland Homes to annex the West Village, during an annexation moratorium that he fully supported? Did you know that it was DirectPac that brought the issue to light during a City Council meeting? I know, I was there (yes I actually do attend meetings) and it surprised a number of people when they got up and asked that the city council allow the professionals on the city staff to be allowed to work on the annexation versus Brown doing it himself. Does this sound like who Brown characterises this group to be? Go on their website and read their position papers. Then talk to some of the members, you may be surprised. You may not change your mind, but at least you will be informed instead of simply being dupped by Brown. That's what I do, I actually research for myself. Then I know the truth. I suggest you do the same.

Submitted by dkinser on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 10:40pm.

First off Birdman, I shouldn't have to "meet" anyone from this committee. I have visited their website, and it is such rantings as "The Lily Pad" that spooked me about them.

If the organization supports that type of literature, and I use that term VERY loosely, then it is not an organization that I can support. I have read nearly every letter to the editor they have published. I have watched John Dufresne wearing his asinine T-Shirt in public. I have friends that are involved with the organization.

So, based upon my collection of information, it is an organization that I do not want to affiliate myself with. It is an organization that is in denial. Brown won 4 years ago, now it is time to move on. Your hatred and bitterness may well win him another 4 years. People get very tired of the rantings and all good is lost in the redundant message, "Brown is evil, Brown is evil".

That being said, I have said numerous times that I believe that Steve Brown and the current council have done wonderful things to Peachtree City. I do not agree with the attacks (and attacks work two ways) and the manner in which they have occured, but that does not detract from the fact that the council has always worked for what they felt was best for the city, AND THAT IS WHY THEY WERE ELECTED.

I cannot say the same about DirectPAC. You can disagree with someone, as you and I do, without having to trash that person and all that is important to them; such as their families.

Now as much as I feel that Steve Brown and the current council have done for this city, there is one unsurmountable fact; and that is that Mayor Brown has a target attached to him. He may or may not have attached it, but it is there just the same.

As a result, I will not likely be voting for him because I don't want to see this city go through another 4 years of attacks as we have all witnessed. Likewise, I will not be voting for your candidate Harold Logsdon. While I believe that he means well, he simply doesn't have a plan. In fact, I won't be voting for another candidate of yours Stephen Boone. Again, a good man but no substance underneath.

And before you go there, I have personally interviewew both. They formed my opinion on them and not DirectPAC, nor The Citizen News, and nor Mayor Brown. Both left me feeling as though they do not have what I feel it takes to lead this city.

What I would like to see of DirectPAC, is leadership. Leadership cannot occur if you are simply firing shots at another. Form a plan that does not tie itself to special interest (commercial development in this case) and become good stewards of the community. Don't show up at a Senior Council meeting wearing BUM shirts. For those of you that aren't aware, John Dufresne was wearing a T-Shirt that stated Brown Unfit Mayor at the Seniour Council's Candidate Forum. Again, not what I envision as a good leadership program.

Basically, everything that I have seen from DirectPAC tells me that it is not for the good of the city. It is an organization that is full of bitterness and hatred and cannot see beyond that.

And in closing. You represent everything that I despise about DirectPAC. I have not been duped by Brown. Your assumption, and theirs is simply this; I am either for you or against you. I am neither, I am for a progressive Peachtree City and feel sorry for you.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by birdman on Sun, 11/06/2005 - 7:12am.

First I agree about the BUM T-shirts. But that is a single individual doing something Steve Brown always claims to do, exercise his right to free speech. I am also happy you are voting for someone based on your own research. That is all one can ask. Unfortunately most people don't do that. So I applaud you on your dedication to the seriousness of this election. Believe it or not I am doing the same thing. The reason I even engage in this blog is, like you, I am tired of the fighting. But I disagree with your last paragraph about me representing everything that you despise about DirectPac. I never said you were either with me or against me. That, in fact is Browns view. I just said that your blogs were, in my humble opinion, incorrect and I was trying to show you a different view. In fact my whole point was that you were indicating that the nastiness is all directed toward Brown when, historically speaking, it has really been the other way. Simply research how he has used the State of The City address, city council meetings, newspaper letters, newspaper articles (read the one about his signs being stolen) etc. to accuse and attack so many people (yes he has even attacked me and I'm a private citizen). This began a few years before he ran for mayor and has continued. It has fragmented the city and distracted us from a considerable amount of city business. That is my opposition to Brown. He has spent his entire four years trying to put Lenox in jail. Truth is, I don't care about Lenox, he hasn't been in office for four years. He doesn't effect my life. But even if you claim not to, others on this forum have tried to insist that I am someone I am not. Simply put, what I say can be taken at face value, they are only my opinions and represent no one else. Just as Harod Logsdon and the rest represent themselves. The silly assumption that they are "puppets" is aburd. I know, I have researched and talked to most of them. But, Brown seems to think Logsdon is his greatest threat so he has labled him a "puppet" of developers. Old arguement, but even you have bitten into it. According to DirectPac they are supporting more than one mayoral candidate. Not sure I'm seeing the "conspiracy" here, unless you think DirectPac are a bunch of "liars." As for developers, development is last elections hot item. The city has little left to develop. This election's hot item should be finances. But Brown is still trying to beat Lenox not address his financial problems. Bottom line, vote your consience, but, as you appear to have done, research the candidates and vote for whom you feel best represents you. Now I know I am going to be "labled" for this. So could someone please tell me what I get out of big developers "owning" the city? For that matter what does Logsdon, Thompson, Tennant, etc. gain from this "evil pact" they are all accused of "signing?"

Submitted by iluvthebubble on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 11:05pm.

What a breath of reason, calm and sanity! We many Peachtree Citians who are deeply interested but without an axe to grind appreciate you. Thank you!

Submitted by Investq on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 10:20pm.

The Mission of DIRECTPAC is to prolong buildout and to promote land use profit. All of the initiatives of DIRECTPAC have been with respect to Land Use Regulation. That is because its benefactors are all developers who want to make money. Legal, yes. Altruistic, no. Why hasn't DIRECTPAC ever done the first thing about any one of the many other issues involving ethical standards in government? Dana Kinser is right. DIRECTPAC stands for Developers In Real Estate Commercial Tracts Political Action Committee. Don't try fool people for a moment that it is anything other than money. Again, DIRECTPAC has a desperate need to attack Mayor Brown because, as Cal Beverly pointed out, Brown is the first Mayor we've had that is not a developer "Yes Man".

Submitted by Investq on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 7:00pm.

Dana Kinser is right. Does it matter who started it? Fritz and Tennant both love to bash Brown. Both are losers. Both can't cope. There has been much mudlingsing. Mr. Fritz is indeed upset. But why then did he and councilmember wife continue (even now through this Birdman name) continue the attacks. Fritz betrayed the voters long before Brown came along. Only later did the voters give her the retribution she deserved for treason, her newly acquired passion for the Development Auth crowd. As for Tennant, he is obviously Watchdog/Ghetto/Nikki/XFactor and how many other names he manipulated. He, like Carol, was not and is not a factor.

Mr. Fritz, might I suggest you keep your wife off the keyboard for just a few weeks.

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Submitted by ghetto on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 11:27pm.

All I can say is you stink at guessing who's who on this message board. I live in Unincorporated Fayette county, and I have the daunting task of voting for our Fayette County Candidates. PTC politics are humorous to me because of all the press they have been getting in the past two years...It's pretty interesting, and it's taken much time out of your day just for you to share your opinion...So I do indeed find it very entertaining...I would give you 1000 guesses and you still wouldn't know who I was...I don't have an agenda or an angle, it just really bothers me that this crazy man "Paul" wrote such lies about Dan Tennant. I've met that guy Paul and he's a man with a very short fuse, so before you jump to conclusions get the facts straight...Ghetto is Ghetto....Straight from the Ghetto, so keep it real...

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Submitted by birdman on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 9:59pm.

Look, I am only going to say this one more time. Please listen up and try... really try to understand. I am NOT Carol Fritz!!! I don't know why you won't believe that. And the only reason that I am being so adament is that I have emailed Carol to let her know what is going on. I asked if she even knew about this and she stated no. She is not writing nor reading any of this. She certainly deserves more respect, in fact we all deserve more respect, than what you are giving. But I am not her! Just accept it. The comments from her husband Gene are accurate. Let it go.

Submitted by Gene Fritz on Sat, 11/05/2005 - 8:57pm.

You're missing my point if you read it. My wife and I are not posting blogs,,,,other than my two today telling you it isn't us. She isn't Birdman either. Perhaps someone else is pushing your buttons, but it isn't her or I. I am upset because of the cheap shots and sexual innuendo which have no place. Other than that, if it's a political issue and you know what you're talking about, fire away,,,, you have the right.

I enjoy reading the comments, but if you think it's us doing the posting, you're missing by hundreds of miles. Bashing is not coming from here against anyone, including you.

Good luck to all of your Candidates. Treason, huh? That might be a stretch, I'll check my dictionary.

Gene Fritz

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:45pm.

Robert, you are in fact the grand prize winner! I have consulted with Mudcat, Hamster, Tiger Tale and Secret Squirrel and you have won an all expense paid trip to Zoo Atlanta. Congratulations! The only catch is you have to take Brown with you on January 2---he's applying for the position of Elephand Dung Remover (EDR in zoo parlance).

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 7:02pm.

What Dar doesn't tell you is that the Town Hall meetings will be held at World Gym, where there will be a hot body to sign you up for three months free with an annual membership! I've got Dunlap Disease (my belly dunlapped over my belt) so I just might be up for those meetings after all. Just please God don't let Dar go with the "my vision is your vision" nonsense. I might just have to heave my guts, which may not be bad if I need to lose a little weight, come to think of it...

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 7:09pm.

...but as long as he's not making sure his opinion is the only one that matters, I believe there will be an improvement.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 1:04pm.

Could you at least tell us what it is abour Dar that you think makes him the best choice?

Man, you are getting a bit testy. Dana knows I'd offer you a bloody mary, but I don't want to start in on that again...

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 6:26pm.

....businessman...let's his staff run the day-to-day operations...doesn't try to be the point man on so many the only candidate who has stated any concrete proposals for increasing revenue.

That's about it, in a nutshell. Sorry if I appeared testy - I was trying to insure I was not confused for someone I am not.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 6:55pm.

So you are plugging Dar for "being the only candidate to increase revenue"??? I hate to break it to you there blankforbrains but revenue equals taxes in governmentese. Are you nuts? Catch the next flight to Boston and commisserate with your tax and spend buddy Ted Kennedy. Be careful crossing small bridges, however.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 7:08pm.

How do you pay for more firefighters?
How do you pay for more police?
How do you pay for maintaining the cart paths?
How do you pay for fixing broken infrastructure?

You assess taxes. For years, the City didn't have to worry about that - impact fees were assessed for new construction and development. So the tax rates are "low", comparatively. Then we stopped new construction and development...that "revenue" goes away. But we've got nearly 40,000 people who want manicured soccer fields (or at least playable), smooth cart paths and working drainage systems. The developers paid for all that to start with. At some point, however, the developers go away. Who pays now?

So...we must increase the tax base to pay for increased and improved services. Gas costs more, steel costs more, things cost more. If you keep the tax rate the same or lower it, you get less money.

Expenses go up, revenue goes down. In my checkbook, that's bad. I don't think a bake sale will help. I don't think people will just willingly cut a check to the City. do you get the money? Please tell me!

Tax isn't a bad word....sorry everyone thinks so.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 7:15pm.

You seem very nice and well intentioned, but trust me, tax IS a bad word. I have yet to meet a tax that I like. I don't mind paying my fair share for a military and roads and a court system, etc., but I have seen a zillion ways that my hard earned money is wasted by some idiotic beauracrat at every level of government You don't keep taxing people to death, you find more ways of becoming efficient, you don't alienate potential suitors to our industrial park (revenue source) and you don't have wasted functions and efforts in your organization. This is a Republican city, let's start acting like it at City Hall.

By the way, if we do have a bake sale, Brown can get a new job by selling "Brownies".

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Submitted by oodlesOpoodles on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 9:20pm.

As a fiscal conservative, I do believe that I truly am a republican at heart. So hear is the deal. The national republican platform promotes smaller federal government and more control at the state and local level. With control comes responsibility. I do not believe that I Don't Know is saying to tax and spend, what I believe he is saying is that we must be prepared to be responsible for what has been created.

Show me one person in the last ten years that wasn't promised by their real estate agent that "their home was the last house to be built, welcome to utopia." Well, we are still building. Oh, and the building/developing in the last ten years has not been dominated by the most hated Equitable/PCDC/Pathways. They are making big bucks elsewhere.

What we need is someone who is not going to come in to office and say cut this and cut that. Cutting taxes now will just lead to a very pour future. That has been pointed out whole heartedly by the professionals after all the debate about rolling back the millage rate. If we cut the budget, where is the pork? What will you cut? Everytime any item is mentioned, most people look at that item as a reason they moved here. Public Safety, Recreation, Planning, Public Works? Where is the pork?

Annexation will probably happen. Get ready for it, no matter who is mayor. Remeber that mayor is only one vote on a council of five. If we do not take some responsibility for the development of the area in the West Village, our intergovernement agreements will have us patrolling, and serving the area, but not reaping any of the benefits. Let's go ahead and take in the impact fees, the building fees, and increase the tax base. Oh, and let's have some control of what happens over there. We can't in one breath say we oppose annexation, and then a few breaths later say we have to extend McDuff. If we want McDuff extended, we need to get control of the land.

Local control, responsibility, and fiscal conservative values. Those are the values of a "local republican." And I belive that those are the values of Mr. Thompson

Submitted by dkinser on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 10:22pm.

Very well said. Very well said. Not one legitimate candidate can factually argue your points. They can and do give the pat political responses, "I'll work to reduce taxes" and "I worked as an auditor(has he ever said actually how many of those years were in the audit department and not on the line?)", but we have all heard that before.

Peachtree City IS about quality of life. When you begin cutting into the budget that quality may be gone forever. Likewise, if you tax too high, then we lose the quality of life again.

I want a candidate that does bring fresh ideas on generating revenue. I want a candidate that does listen and doesn't simply give lip service.

I simply cannot support Dan Tennant as everything on his platform is contra to these points.

Harold Logsdon has had 10 months to study the budget, yet has not produced one item that could have been cut without impacting our quality of life. Why? He can't, and I don't mean this as an insult to the man. It simply can't be done. As for the years as an auditor, well Enron had some senior auditors too, didn't help the stockholder one bit.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:01pm.

I was thrown out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 7:53pm.

I agree with what you say. Unfortunately, I can still foresee a tax increase coming.....sad as it may be. I hope they can find wasted functions, but I'm afraid there may not be too many.

Submitted by Rex Kaigler on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 10:46am.

Someone call the exterminator, we’ve got a paranoid hamster on the loose. Some think that just because they are rodents that they demand a certain level of respect. To do two things at once is to do neither! Chao.

Submitted by G-bug on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 5:45am.

Who do they think they're fooling? I think those guys are way out of touch. That's the problem. They think to heck with the homeowners and the common taxpayer. That's how Lenox was the whole time. He arrogant. And he was almost wrong on how to run the city. You don't build a police department on a envrio trash site and then take over the cleanup for your developer buddy. They want to go back to helping themselves and their buddies. They should just move on to their huge cheap development in Sharpsburg and stay out of PTC.

Submitted by anthony t on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 8:36am.

So,we were right, well at least most of us were. Suprise! "DPAC endorses Logsdon". Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming. Logsdon has no ideas and no plan, other than what he is told. It seems the incumbent and the other mayoral candidates have a mind of their own and refuse to be influenced by those who are in, or think they are in power. After reviewing their (DPAC's) "letter to the editor" and visiting their website for the responses of the candidates it becomes self evident as to why their support for Logsdon and Bosewll.

Steve Brown did not respond. Dan Tennant did not respond. And, Dar Thompson apparently has a mind of his own, as he wants to dismantle the Developement Authority and find a solution to the tennis center that will not require a burden to the taxpayer.

Any of these three candidates would be better than a puppet on a string.

Submitted by Rex Kaigler on Wed, 11/02/2005 - 10:38am.

Why do we insist on paying attention to a trivial number of selfish people with nothing on their minds but greed, greed and greed? The news media ought to be “horse whipped” (that’s a Bob Lenox phrase) for even mentioning the opinions of the group of 30 publicly challenged people. If this election doesn't go their way, they may find themselves having to go rape and pillage elsewhere. How do you describe Direct PAC in three words: petty, frivolous and insignificant. Harold Logsdon's true colors have come out and he's married to the corrupt good old boys. Crash and burn Harold.

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