It's a time honored tradition that old people don't like young people's music. Elvis and Hank Jr. were the Dogg in my day. I will have to say rappers have brought alot of grief on themselves by living the life they sing about.

I guess Elvis and Hank Jr. did that too.

I don't even like rap that much. I just think it's funny that some people on these boards always jump on rap music whenever some urban kids do something stupid. Always have to find something to blame.

I happen to like Snoop-Dog. Don't care about what he represents, but I do like his music. Should he be a role model to kids?, no. However, I don't know that I want you as a role model either. Don't get me wrong, this is a senseless crime and the courts need to put these kids away for a long time. I'm certainly not an advocate of rehabilitation or disorder diagnosis. I just don't think the answer lies in getting guns. Who decides who lives and who dies? Hell, if that were the case there would be a mass killing in the Fayette "hood" of professional white men who routinely beat their wives. How about the PTC white kid that robbed another white kid of his money. A weapon was used and the kid was injured. Should we take our guns and go after the bastard. I've got a better idea, lets wear white robes and hoods so that we can't be identified.

What the heck did you Fireup. You are certainly under the influence of something. You happen to like Snoop-Dog but you don't care for what he represents. But you do like his music. HIS MUSIC REPRESENTS WHO HE IS. Are you clueless as to what you wrote. For the record I despise the guy for what he writes, sings (???), and represents.

Snoop Dog represents the Rock Robbers that need to be gunned down in the first place. Which side are you on? Most of us here stand for protecting the innocent.

As for your comment about a mass killing of "professional white men who routinely beat their wives" I have to ask. What would be wrong with that? Are you using their actions to defend the trash thugs that beat the lady with a rock?

What you need Snoop lover is a good life experience. Why don't you put some of your bling on and hang a couple of $100 dollar bills out of your front pockets. Troll around the Kroger parking on foot and wait for some of the Clayton County Debris to start pounding you in the head with a rock. My money says that at that moment you would love to have a Glock S&W 40 loaded down with some rounds of Hydro-Shock at your fingertips.

So Git Real sez (in CAPITAL LETTERS, no less) that a performer's music REPRESENTS WHO HE IS.

By that incredibly vapid line of reasoning, Paul McCartney is a fugitive from justice ("Band on the Run") and a right wing radio commentator ("Live and Let Die": When ya gotta job to do, ya got to do it well...you gotta give the other fellow HELL).

(And don't get me started on Frank Sinatra glorifying gangsters in "Mack the Knife"!!)

That would be Bobby not Frank that made the Mack song popular.

Gee! Paul McCartney wrote a song. Frank Sinatra wrote a song. How much hoe & b*%$h trashin, cop killing, whitey hating music did the fellows you mentioned write? Snoop Thug & Tupac Dead Thug have promoted and perpetuated hate, violence and the degradation of women. Difference is that we're not seeing a bunch of Paul McCartney types taking a rock and bashing in some womans head who is trying to go to work to feed her family. I guess when the [take your racial slurs elsewhere, bud -ed] start blowing themselves up in our stores and public places you'll be the first one to jump out and defend them. But then we consider the source.

Bang bang Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head...
Bang bang Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead..
McCartney had his moments too degrading women and glorifying violence.

Now then, I'd like to know how you KNOW that the rock bashers were under the influence of "Snoop Dog" (sic) music? Were you there, standing idly by? Or did Big Weapons System Jesus give you yet another vision that you are just now sharing with the unwashed masses?

"Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is my analogy for when something goes wrong out of the blue, as it so often does, as I was beginning to find out at that time in my life. I wanted something symbolic of that, so to me it was some fictitious character called Maxwell with a silver hammer. I don't know why it was silver, it just sounded better than Maxwell's hammer. It was needed for scanning. We still use that expression now when something unexpected happens."

I personnally like my SIG-Sauer P245. Police seem to like it as well.

http://www.weathersdesign.com/seth/articles/fightcrime.htm

Firedup -

I'm just trying to offer suggestions to combat the growing crime rate in our town. You can sit there and try to wish it away, or you can take action. Your choice.
I choose to not sit on my duff while a bunch of no good thunks (thug-punks) take over our beautiful city.
Here's a dose of reality for ya..... It's a little article about the town of Kennesaw, just north of here, and how the crime rate dropped after the residents were required by law to start packing heat.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/27/223955.shtml

Happy reading

Hitting someone with a rock? What happened to this county? When I moved here 20 years ago Fayette County had a very distinct reputation for being tough on crime. Even 5 years ago you would still hear criminals say "I never would have done it if I knew it was Fayette County" or "They'll lock you up for littering down there" or "Fayette treats you good in the jailhouse and bad in the courthouse". But no more. Why?

What we need is a strange new phenomenon. We need a string of unexplained dead bodies of young males found face down in the asphalt of the shopping center parking lots, dead of a close range firearm wound. Mount racks on the backs of those fancy Crown Vic's the Marshalls have and they can haul 'em out. The best self defense story I ever heard was the guy who had two punks come up to him on the driver side of his truck holding a shot gun and telling him to get out. The driver shot the gun man through the door with something like a Federal Hydra Shock round and down he went. I guess the door didn't slow the round down too much. A little bondo and a little paint and yer good to go. Once the criminals spread the word that even Grandma is packing in heat in Fayette they will learn and ply their trade elsewhere.

Finally, we need new bumper stickers in Fayette:

" FAYETTE COUNTY: WE DON'T CALL THE SHERIFF
WE CALL THE CORONER "

The time printed in the article was 6:oo AM

If memory serves, the incident occurred around 6 a.m. ish when she was coming in to work.

I will try and find out what happened to these kiddies. It may be a few weeks before they get completely through the system so please be patient.

Lets hope that it takes them "considerably longer" to get completely through the system.

John, could you ask why they’re not being charged with attempted car-jacking? The article says that they demanded her purse and “keys”.

Thanks.

And that's why we left. So long "Clayette" County. I'll fight the traffic up north long before I fight the riff-raff in the south. If I'm going to pay to live in PTC/"Clayette", then I should get something for my money. Those that think it's going to remain safe.....just keep drinking the Kool-aid. You will quickly find yourself surrounded and then the home values will flatten out quickly (already happening in some communities). This area is on the back-side of it's greatness. Too bad. We loved it when we first arrived.

MS, it's just as good that you left. The rest of us are smart enough to know that you don't abandon a good thing like Fayette has.

Our juvenile justice system will dispatch with these cretins, but I can't wait for them to grow up and get slammed by the Fayette adult system, where they'll really be taught a lesson. A lesson, by the way, that should've started at home with what I think the Bible called "the rod."

Someone in the know recently confided in me that our neighbor counties to the south don't have near the problem with juvenile crime. Why? "They're not afraid to beat the (bleep) out of their kids."

If I were ever to run for office, it'd be on a platform of holding parents criminally accountable for their kids actions (when appropriate, which is probably more often than not).

Sorry John, couldn't stomach the coming flood. I'm not one to sit on the beach in amazement and watch the tsunami come ashore. I agree with you on holding parents accountable. I am as accountable for my kids as (I assume) you are yours. Fayette just isn't that nice of a place to live anymore. Sure, if you're from Cleveland, it's pretty damn good. But, if you lived there 10-15 years ago, you know it's not the Fayetteville/PTC that you grew to love. But, stick it out if you must. Someone has to be there to lock the doors when it's over.

Oh. And some of the "rest" of you are my current neighbors. I wasn't the only one who saw the rising waters.

You're using code words like "the coming flood" and "the tsunami" and "the rising waters." Are you afraid to tell us why you really moved from Fayette County?

I'd sincerely like to know the god's honest truth. I have a sneaking suspicion that some folks - not necessarily you - are missing the "good 'ol days" because Fayette Co. is becoming more progressive and, dare I say it, "integrated."

I don't want to jump to that conclusion with you MS, so what's the real deal? Why did you move? Unlike me you can hide behind your screen name, so why not come out and tell us the unvarnished truth?

I am glad you hold your kids accountable as I will mine. I also will insist that their friends' parents hold up their end of the bargain. In my view, that's the only true way we can start to repair what my generation has only just begun to screw up.

John, foregive my metaphors if they lent one to believe that "intergration" is the issue. I lived in a completely integrated neighborhood in Fayette and live in a completely integrated neighborhood now (probably even more so). That's simply not the issue. Unbridled growth, reminiscent of Henry County about 4-6 years ago, and even today to some extent, is what is in store for Fayette and that's what has changed the makeup of the county.

My issue is that most folks live(d) in Fayette County because it has/had a culture of being a county of small to medium-size close knit communities that gave one a sense of security. You obviously still feel that way. I have no problem with that. I simply don't feel that way any longer and didn't want to wait until I was overrun with billboards, stop-lights, fast food restaurants, etc.

There is a place in society for all of that, but it seems that Fayette County has finally given in to the same demons that other counties around Atlanta gave in to a long time ago. It's just a shame. Enjoy your community and fix what you can. You and I are a lot closer on issues than you think. Best of luck.

Thanks for your honest reply. I do agree that Fayette has changed *dramatically* in the past 15 years-ish; not all for the better. And there are 40,000 acres of undeveloped land left in the unincorporated county, according to one of the candidates running for election.

We have been fortunate to not be like Gwinnett, which if I remember correctly is building more than 20 brand new schools this year alone. That's out of control growth!!! You can't hire quality teachers when you're growing that fast.

I do still feel very secure in Fayette's environs, but I live in the more urban environment and not in a more isolated rural area (though I think some, like the Brooks area, are just gorgeous!). My family was also fortunate in that we were able to move into an area of Fayetteville where everything is already built up around us, so there are no surprises to be had in the zoning department.

My subdivision is quite small and so I know most of my closest neighbors by name. Yes, you're right, the days where everybody knew everybody are long gone here in Fayette. It's a shame, but things certainly could have turned out much worse.

Best of luck in your new home, MS. Bring some of those Fayette County values to your new neighborhood and don't forget to come back and visit every once in a while, even if only to remind yourself that you made the right choice to leave when you did! Thanks again. Conversations like this are why I enjoy taking part on this web site, which by the way is not a requirement of my job whatsoever.

Before we moved to Georgia we lived in an integrated community in Illinois. It was NOTHING like Clayton County!! We were not having people carjacked down the street or fearing a home invasion. The folks took care of their homes and we had very little crime or vandalism. It is all about class...It is about some of the folks who idolize a culture that is about violence, lack of respect for others, bling and wanting things without working for them.(The Eminems and Snoop Doggs) It is about the folks who move down here from urban areas up north who think the ATL is about getting the gold. It is about the culture of sex, sex, sex that thinks it is ok for girls to have babies from 3 or 4 different men (again an issue about class not race...I know plenty of white girls in this situation). Peer pressure is a powerful thing and you surround kids with trash and they are gonna get dirty. There are voices out there who are for accountability but until we see some changes you are gonna have pockets of trash, especially in older neighborhoods where the housing stock is dated, apartment complexes and sometimes 300,000 townhomes. I feel very sorry for the folks who lived in my old neighborhood in Clayton and could not sell their homes for enough to move. The problem is that many can't distinguish quality folks...Give me neighbors that give to the community, attend church, have children that attend school to learn and give to others(and give my kids positive peers to hang with), take care of their homes,
and are quite responsible citizens and I am happy as pie..Luckily, my neighbors pretty much are!!! The difference with Clayton is for every 5 of those you get the trash that forces you to put up the for sale sign with the School Board and Sheriffs office helping you to pack the moving boxes:) You look in the Cascade area of South Fulton and you will see the opposite affect...their test scores are going up every year and it is about class. Instead of kids one move out of the projects, the kids that are moving there are the offspring of very educated, high middle class folks, kids who probably have lived mostly in a culture of education on the outskirts of the "bling generation". Middle Class living, Education and quality parenting are not a guarantee that the children will turn out alright but the odds are more in your favor.

One other note for Clayton County and Fayette too..Police need to be more strickly enforcing loitering and curfew violators and not just the ones driving. Usually if kids are driving or walking around at 1 or 2 am they are up to no good!

Integration and assimilation is, and has been, the way of the USA. However, the assimilation part is missing right now. The old third generation Italians, Hungarians, Irish, Asian, and United Kingdom people all assimilated: that is, speak the same language clearly, don't huddle into their own group as often as possible, and don't keep wanting reparations for past misdeeds. It can be done by good behaviour on one side and patience from the other.

Thanks for leaving. Again I say, "If you are not part of the solution; You are part of the prolem." You should have no interest in commenting on what goes on here any further. Good-bye

No Joke. Good-bye. When you get where you are going Pull-up the ladder and keep it a secret. Hope you have as nice a life as you imagine.

Laughin' all the way to the golf course, bladder. It's no secret. It's called Atlanta and you have to know when it's time "git!" And if you live in Clayette, it's time to git (ask any realtor). And when it's time to git from where I am now, I'll be the first one out the door.

Bladder....you ain't that smart now are ya! Atlanta's a big place. You can go many places in the metro area and find a nicer place to live than Fayette (oops....Clayette) County. You should really get out more. It will broaden your horizons.

FYI, I'm a Realtor, and I have folks looking all the time for places in Peachtree City. I dare you to find another community in the South like it. Here's a hint, you can't.

You are going to golf course in Atlanta? Chandler's under reconstruction. I know of no place any safer than here..problems included. Good luck & good-bye

Four mis-uses of you're. (you are (you're) dumb is different from your (your) tie).

Yaught, that was a weak post. I would have thought better of you. I didn't leave because there is no crime. I left Clayette County because the onslaught is only beginning. I've lived too many places and seen it too many times. And when you realize it's happening to you, remember your previous post. Sip the Kool-Aid, don't drink it. That will make it take a year or two. But, it will still happen and there's nothing you can do about it. And you'll be complaining the loudest when it does.

And keep defending the guy that knows 3 of the 10 Commandments! But, I'm not an elected official so I must have my "head up my butt."

Seems to me, you would move on to your "utopia" and be done with it. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying the 4th weekend here in PTC.

Maybe if these scumbags were not coming here from Clayton County every day to attend our schools, they would not get the idea that they can be in our shopping centers either - and rob our people, by the way.

Let's keep them where they belong and enforce our school attendance laws. OK?
meow

Part of the problem is that criminals seem to get off the hook so easily. I mean, what is fair for hitting a woman in the head with a rock? I think these "kids" should be locked up until they are 21, at a minimum. They are the only ones who will benefit if released early. I bet they get probation.

When, as a society, did we get so soft on criminals? Really, who besides the criminal benefits from a soft attitude on crime?

I remember when that kid in Conyers snuck a gun to school and shot several people in the legs, crippling one girl and causing the whole community to grieve for its loss of innocence. The AJC was actually pleading this boy's case. Why? It's not our faults if his family or brain is messed up. It's not our fault. And by letting him out of prison (ever) he is the only one who will benefit, the only one.

Amazing!

By the way, I love PTC. The recent wave of crime hitting the area isn't good (one fatal shooting, smash-and-grab jerk, and now an arrest of a serial child molester). I worry, too, but there is no utopia. All you can do is watch crime statistics, and find areas in the country in which they are low. PTC still has a very low crime rate.

By the way, our police are outstanding. I've never seen truer professionalism. Thank you.

I forgot to add: North of Atlanta isn't any better. Your crime is higher, and your illegal immigration is out of control. Cherokee County WILL eventually look like Gwinnett. Total uncontrolled development.