To keep county plan, keep the incumbents

Tue, 06/06/2006 - 4:57pm
By: Letters to the ...

The Fayette County Commission had a recent discussion about the state’s required updates to the county’s Comprehensive Growth Management Plan. I commented on the genesis of our current plan. Many of our residents may not be aware of the history.

Our plan began as a true community effort. I counted, on the list I have, 208 people from Fayette County who wrote our original plan in 1990.

These people were from all segments of our community: government, commercial, industrial, development, environmental and “regular” citizens from no faction.

These people came together, argued their various points of view and came up with a plan that represented all. Nobody got all they wanted but everyone compromised to achieve a workable package they could agree on.

Many of the people on the original committee are still very active in our community. Some of them, such as Grace Caldwell, Gary Laggis, Larry Dell, Glen Brewer, Frank Carden, George Wingo and Dan Lakly are currently elected officials.

Bill Bonner is running for the state legislature. Rick Price has served in the state Senate and still lives here and is chair of White Water Creek Homeowner’s Association.

Tom Parker is still here and involved in our community; the same goes for Ted Kemberling, Phillis Aguayo, Kathy Allgood, Huie Bray, Barbara Buckley, M.T. Allen, Rick Fehr, John Grunden, Rick Minter, Cindy Lester, Jim Fulton, Lisa Richardson, Jake Mask, Joe Snowden, Ferroll A. Sams III, Caroline Smith and Bob Truitt. Bob and Alicia Craft recently moved to Florida but still own property here.

Jack Krakeel is our fire chief, Bill McNally is the county attorney, Chris Venice is now the county administrator, and Pete Fresina is now our director of planning and zoning.

George Patten is on the Water Committee. Marilyn Watts is on the Board of Elections and Al Gilbert is on the Planning Commission. I’m sure there are many others as well, I just don’t know them or have lost track of them. If I missed you, I apologize. You should all write in and let us hear what you have to say.

The plan has stood up well over the last decade and a half. There have been some modifications to the plan and there have been some violations but it is pretty much intact.

I think that all this is remarkable. As I’ve said before, I wasn’t on this committee and I don’t necessarily agree with all parts of the plan. It is the product of compromise.

I’ve been elected to a public office, County Commission, which is deeply involved in this plan. I did not campaign for office based on any objections I had to the plan, which would have let the voters decide if they wanted the plan changed.

I believe that I am therefore totally obligated to uphold this plan as it was put together by the citizens and exists at this time. I intend to do so.

I don’t agree with those who say that “We don’t know what we want in that area yet.” Or, who say that a certain area is in transition and is changing so we should allow more intense use than the plan calls for.

We do know. It’s in the plan we’re discussing. And it will only change from that plan if we, the commission, let it. Or, if an area is annexed into a municipality and they change the plan.

I also believe that I am a member of a County Commission that has at least two members who feel as I do, Greg Dunn and Linda Wells. I think that as long as the three of us are on the commission, no violations of the land use plan and the comprehensive plan will happen.

While it is possible that the plan could remain intact without one or both of them, we can have complete confidence that this plan will remain if they remain. So, again, the decision is back in the hands of the citizens where it should be.

That’s the current situation regarding your present County Commission and the comprehensive plan and land use plan. To use a phrase used before: “I report, you decide!”

Peter Pfeifer
Fayette County Commission, Post 3
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by nrse500 on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 12:52pm.

You and Linda Wells as well. You're all so obsessed with the Sheriff that you punish us all. No more merit raises, take our sick leave or lose it, how smart was that, no retirement. We train everyone else's public safety employees.

Do the people know that to come to work in Fayette County you have to hire on with no insurance for 3 months. Wonder why we're not getting good help. Who would sign on to that and have their kids not covered with insurance for 3 months. Only the desperate or those who want us to pay for their training and will then move on.

Will voting out Dunn and Wells teach you a leason? I wonder.

Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 3:10pm.

I have only worked for 1 company that covered from day 1. Most companies have a waiting period (probably your probationary time) before covering. Welcome to the world.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 10:09am.

I think that Dunn is. Not sure about his opponent. Dunn's not perfect, but he has shown backbone. I like that about him.

Submitted by Honestly on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 7:01am.

Is that you Peter? Obviously one of Janet's cronies no matter who you are. Cruel, nasty politics when your oponent is in a wheelchair.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 8:45am.

I've seen him vote along the land use plan on more than a few occasions. I remember Del-Web being told to hit the road, commercial zoning along hwy 85 near Whitewater being turned down. There were others. You asked why I mentioned "backbone" and that is why. If you can point me to a vote where Dunn was advocating major changes to the land use plan, then I will re-consider my options.

After living for 9 years in Henry County and seeing ZERO leadership on development, living here in Fayette has been a change for the better, much better.

Submitted by robert m on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 12:03pm.

more stupidity than he has backbone. Suing the cities and constitutional officers over issues he had no chance of winning are a perfect example of stupidity.

I've never known Johnson to demonstrate the attitude you suggest, and I have been in Fayette County for 27 years. Every sheriff in Georgia has responsibilities and authority under the state constitution and county commissioners are not allowed to usurp those. The courts have just in the last few weeks reiterated that fact, for the umpteenth time.

Too bad the county attorney can't corral the out of control, asinine chairman and vice-chairman, but that won't be a problem in less than 7 months.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 2:32pm.

I didn't know Dunn was running against the current Sheriff. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Submitted by robert m on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 9:00am.

What do I think? I think you will see your socks knocked off when Eric Maxwell cleans Dunn's plow to the tune of 65%!!

And I think your not so well hidden agenda of trying to create a whisper campaign re Eric's health is BS. Pure BS.

No, he didn't miss many court dates because of illness. The minor health problem he had was cleared up in less than a month and he served the court more than adequately.

I am amazed at how bloggers who know virtually nothing of what they are talking about attempt to make meaningful and intelligent posts, all to no avail.

Please don't go committing suicide on the morning of July 19, 2006. The county will be back on the right track and you will have a great 4 years with Eric Maxwell representing you.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 7:42am.

A lot of people seem to dislike Greg Dunn, but I don’t detect a lot of love for Eric Maxwell as a potential commissioner.

In choosing candidates, we’ve always got to be careful not to jump from the frying pan into the fire. Or to go from bad to worse.

I concede that Dunn may not be all that likeable. He seems incapable of seeking, earning or cultivating public support for his views. He could resolve the entire county police controversy immediately by scheduling a county referendum on it. Then he could explain his position to the people on it, as a leader who leads should, and trust the people to follow. He could have done something similar about the new courthouse and jail by scheduling a bond vote. But he didn’t.

Dunn also believes in taxes. In December 2002, he voted to extend the one-percent Local Option Sales Tax (LOST) for another ten years. In 2004, he placed on the ballot and supported the one-percent Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax (SPLOST). Voters supported him there. (These are the two taxes that keep us at 6%, rather than 4%.)

But what about Eric Maxwell?

The first duty of an elected official is to show up for work. I understand Maxwell failed to show up for work for most of 2004 at his municipal court jobs because of a serious health impairment. It is one thing to dislike Dunn, but what would be the point of electing somebody who can’t show up for work? Someone like that can heavily burden our county health insurance plan while contributing nothing but deadlock on the commission. Maxwell owes the public an explanation about his health prospects.

On taxes, it would be interesting to know where Maxwell stood on both the LOST and the SPLOST. If he was against either one, he did not speak out. Did he vote against the SPLOST? What was his reasoning on this vote. The public is entitled to know.

Maxwell is known to have thrown a lot of money around to other politicians in the past. What was his thinking? If he does that with his own money, will he be that generous with the public’s money if he gets into public office?

In newspaper ads, Maxwell claims victory over Dunn, in court, over political signs Maxwell placed on his property. In the end, we’ve got to ask what’s so wonderful about the right to plaster the county with political signs. Wouldn’t we all be better served by polite discussions of the issues, rather than through a battle of signs?

It seems it’s “time for a change” in the way campaigns are conducted, and Maxwell does not seem the guy to do it. What do you think?


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Submitted by nuk on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 9:18am.

Not a big Greg Dunn fan, except for the fact that he had the sac to stand-up to Randall "I run this here town" Johnson.

So Maxwell is in a wheelchair? Who cares? I've met him several times and came away with the impression that he's not only uninformed, but a jackass too. Wow....great choices here!


Submitted by robert m on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 11:57am.

what a crock!! You've never encountered Eric Maxwell at all, you posts betray you. No one that knows Maxwell would characterize him as uninformed or a jackass.

You need to know,nuk,that {{{{{edited}}}}} such as that won't hunt with people in the know in this county, or even the dozen or so bloggers here.

Sorry, you'll have to take that crap somewhere else.

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Submitted by nuk on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 10:43am.

:what a crock!! You've never encountered Eric Maxwell at all, you posts :betray you. No one that knows Maxwell would characterize him as :uninformed or a jackass.

I've "encountered" him numerous times.....think ROTARY, duh!

:you need to know,nuk,that {{{{{edited}}}}} such as that won't hunt :with people in the know in this county, or even the dozen or so :bloggers here.

Who are the "people in the know in the county" these days? The gang at Melear's BBQ? Rotary? North Fayette County? PTC? Tyrone? Where are these people? Who are these people?

:Sorry, you'll have to take that crap somewhere else.

Actually, no, I don't "have" to do anything.

NUK


Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 4:41pm.

I have found some interesting comments here about various subjects, ie, politics, zoning, land use plans and others. Most bloggers, while not thoroughly knowledgeable about every subject, are well intentioned and simply trying to exchange thoughts and ideas through this forum.

Others blog here with an agendas that are not always worthy. Attempting to discredit others, such as candidates, with half-truths and untruths is a good example.

NUK, who claims to have encountered Eric Maxwell many times,offered his own characterizations of Maxwell which were absolutely not accurate. Others have accused Maxwell of being pro-development with the intention of abandoning the county land use plan, with no evidence to support such suggestions.

On the other hand, some have posted that Dunn, Wells and Pfeifer have squandered hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on lawsuits that were not winnable from the word go. And we now know for a fact that the three of them ordered a "forensic" audit of the sheriff's drug money that turned up virtually nothing, save a 42" T V for training purposes and other such crap, and absolutely nothing illegal or even improper. Recently Dunn intervened in the re-imbursement of a legitimate uniform expense of a county undercover detective because it had been purchased on his wife's credit card. He even went to the newspapers and "outed" the innocent spouse, thus exposing both to possible harm from people in the drug sub-culture arena.

With all the facts that are available, it shouldn't pose much of a problem deciding whom to vote for and whom not. Anyone with their eyes open the last 3 years knows the better choices in this primary and general election.

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 5:46pm.

Gotta agree with Nuk...Even though I seem to recall that he is that guy that would wear that goofy tee shirt to PTC council meetings, I gotta agree with Nuk. These are horrible choices. Dunn took on the Sheriff but accomplished nothing. Maxwell is morally challenged and its pretty obvious what he is going to do if elected- he be taking care of business-- his own. Someone pointed that he has been lavishing other politicians with huge contributions so now its payback time. AS for that other clown that was fooled by him in the PTC court, uh duh--- he's been trawling for votes. Funny thing is, we will look back and say "Oh yeah, thats how we ended up like Clayton County."


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Submitted by nuk on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 6:49am.

I am NOT John Dufresne and I do not wear slogans on my shirts:)

NUK


Submitted by lifeinptc on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 6:20pm.

I am hearing good things about Maxwell, I want to know what you're talking about. Why is he morally challenged? What did he do? Why is it obvious what he will do if elected? I want the facts and please don't use the word be as a verb when you tell me if you expect credibility. Nuk certainly doesn't carry any with the picture he uses. If you know something we need to know I wish you would just tell us. What do you know about Maxwell that we need to know? Tell us straight and don't play games about it. Unless you're a democrat trying to misdirect us, there is no reason to be so criptic.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 6:18pm.

Local lawyers with local business have too much temptation being in elected positions. Even worse are those who have a bushel full of official hats. It just doesn't make good sense. You need more indepedence.


Submitted by lifeinptc on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 6:26pm.

I want details. I assume you are talking about Maxwell. What hats does he wear? Why so criptic. You posted your response before I posted the question while I was still in the preview mode. Do you work for the paper?

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Submitted by nuk on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 6:48am.

I haven't said anything about the morals of Eric Maxwell, but I'm guessing that the poster who did is referring to a videotape of a local chiropractor and his then-wife that made the rounds through the hands of some people in Rotray, including Maxwell.


Submitted by lifeinptc on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 7:39am.

First of all if you can't spell Rotary I assume you aren't one.

Some vague video passing thru someones hands is not what I was looking for. That is foolish rumor mongering. You must be associated with his opponent. That's a below-the-belt tactic.

You lost your credibility with that one.

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Submitted by nuk on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 7:51am.

Actually, there IS substance to it and I know for a FACT that it happened. I'm not going to name names of the parties involved-though I suspect several here know exactly what I am talking about-and I don't think it's an issue anyway.

You asked about someone else's comment about Maxwell being *morally-challenged* and I offered the videotape caper as MAYBE what that poster meant. Maybe they didn't mean anything like that, dunno.

I am not "associated" with Greg Dunn, Eric Maxwell or Maxwell House.

Sorry for the typo on Rotary, please forgive me! Next time when you use the term rumor-mongering, remember that's it's hyphenated, lol.


Submitted by fayetteobservers on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 8:00am.

NUK is right about the video and there's some photos for fun too. Frankly who cares. There was nothing illegal, consenting adults, etc. If Rotary gets a kick out of it, great. Probably safer than going to Tinseltown. Lifeinptc--- if your goal is to get Eric nominated for Sainthood, I wouldn't hold my breath. And what do you mean Nuk by the Maxwell House ? The Travis Hous of Trial Lawyers or his house ? Whatever....

It gets back to Nuk's first point. This race is one ugly choice. I agree.

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Submitted by nuk on Wed, 06/14/2006 - 7:57am.

Maxwell House, as in coffee:) Bad joke I guess!


Submitted by Fayetteresident on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 3:39pm.

Not sure what you are trying to portray or what your opinion is. Your posts appear to be written as if you were a juvenile, so I'm not so sure anyone takes you seriously!
Maybe you need to go play on "myspace" or "facebook"... duh~

Submitted by Honestly on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 10:58am.

Are you gonna explain your husbands outing of undercover cops and their families? Or will that go unexplained?

Submitted by Honestly on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 10:21am.

Now that you're out of hiding are you gonna explain to us why your husband is outing the identities of the under cover cops and their families?

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 9:23am.

That's why I'm voting for Donald.


Submitted by doc on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 12:46pm.

Eric Maxwell had a HUGH luncheon catered by the Varsity today. After seeing the number of people who showed up and who showed up, I smell a victory for Maxwell!

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 7:27am.

I loved your comment.

For many many years, when he was Justice of the Peace and later magistrate, Kenny Melear would invite all the county's court personnel, cops, and lawyers to his home for a FREE lunch. (It was catered from his BBQ restaurant, of course). Huge crowds showed up.

Maxwell did something very similar on Friday, inviting court personnel and sheriff's deputies over to his home for a FREE lunch. Of course they showed up! But hey, given the sheriff's feud with Dunn, Maxwell had their vote to start with, so he might simply be out the lunch.

You smell a victory for Maxwell, and I smell doughnuts!


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Submitted by mapleleaf on Tue, 06/13/2006 - 7:52am.

Maxwell's own website (www.erickmaxwell.com) shows the event to have been a Law Enforcement Appreciation Luncheon. The pictures of the event on the website show a great many empty seats. Among the people shown one can recognize the sheriff (of course), and other people who seem to be District Attorney Scott Ballard, State Representative Dan Lakly, State Court Judge Fletcher Sams, and municipal court judge pro tem Stephen Ott. A few deputy sheriffs in uniform can also be seen. If there was a huge crowd there, the photographer failed to capture it.

Maxwell might be poorly served by his supporters if they don't stick to the facts. Maxwell can speak out for himself. Let him do it.


Submitted by nrse500 on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 10:16am.

If all had been invited Maxwell's luncheon it would have been attended by hundreds more. If the Chief hadn't forbidden it hundreds of firemen alone would have been there.

Dunn has spent 8 years stepping on the little guy. Secretaries have told us he does nothing but ridicule rank and file employees behind our backs. He wants a 25% turnover a year to keep salaries down ignoring the fact that Fayette County residents expect a higher quality of service.

Dunn you've ignored the reality that the 600 employees you've stepped on have wives, parents, brothers and sisters, neighbors and friends which will produce 4000 votes on top of whatever Maxwell draws.

No one knows what Maxwell will be except that he won't be you. Your treatment of employees alone will be the swing vote of your demise. Don't go away mad just...never mind, go away mad we don't care.

Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 06/11/2006 - 2:11pm.

I hope the PTC city election and ABB (Anyone But Brown) would teach all a lesson. I don't know what Maxwell stands for or his vision. I do know I spent time in Municipal Court and he seems like a decent fair guy. From what people that know Sam (& family) say, well, I'll let that one go but he won't be getting my vote.

Submitted by Harvey on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 9:21am.

What slime you are.

Dunn is worse. Next time try a harder question.

Janet, your nasty politics is one of the many many reasons we want you and Greg to find a nice cozy place back in New York so Greg can find a place to run for office up there. Your tactics would probably fit right in there.

No one brought up the health problems Greg had last year. How is his health now days? With his immensely unpopular standings around the county it must be terribly stressful on his ego and his heart.

(Note to Greg; You might want to leave Janet out of the next race she doesn't help your cause)

Submitted by ole sarge on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 8:52pm.

The Plan! Nice people from the past. Their service is appreciated. The county is changing and it is time for a change in government. I have notified those I have supported in the past that it time to return to the idea of one-term of community service followed by a return to original endeavors. This is a policy that would serve us well at all levels of government. Serve and then go home. Maybe we could develop a system of statesmen and the end of career politicians.

Submitted by oldsimon on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 10:17pm.

They are the ones that built this community into the special place that we have now. Most of those that served on the plan committees were volunteers and are still involved today. They did not expect anything for themselves except a good place to raise their families and live in peace. We should thank them all. Don't discount their hard work as something from the past. The plan is still good. We need more folks like those involved in the plan.

Submitted by Sailon on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 9:04pm.

You are correct. It was intended that way originally. However it (politics) now has become part of our economy---a job if you will---just as has millions of other service jobs that are not necessary. But if we aren't going to make any products we must have SOMETHING to do, don't we. It will be hard to sell.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 06/07/2006 - 9:09pm.

Agree.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 7:34pm.

The best part of your history lesson is that Bob Craft moved away - Alicia, I like, but Bob -Geez!

To your point, the plan is the plan - just like the U.S. Constitution is the U. S. Constitution - not a "living, breathing document" God save us from liberals/progressives/morons/whatever.

The land use plan needs to be defended as vigorously as I and others defended the Constitution. Give in to a terrorist? No way. Give in to a 14 year-old commie with a grenade? No way. Give in to a property owner who needs some extra money and then moves away? No way!
meow


Submitted by Honestly on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 7:08pm.

Just let it go Louie. The land use plan is 16 years old and Fayette County was an entirely different place back then. There is no way anyone 16 years ago had perfect vision as to the changes that would take place here. Adjustments need to be made. It needs to be looked at by fresh minds not jaded by years of powerstrugles throughout the county.

I should remind you that your friend Greg Dunn did not even know where Fayette County was in 1990. How could a former military prison warden from New York know the best land use plan for a Georgia suburb? You cling to that plan as your last hope to grab the anti-development vote by labeling all the opponents as pro-development

I think there is some truth to the previous post. If the incumbents go you will have no one to say me too to.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 7:03pm.

Are you kidding? Dunn was a helicopter pilot. In the Regan White House. A true hero. What is the basis or proof of you dissing him like that?


Submitted by Honestly on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 7:18pm.

I met him during the Tet Offensive in 1968 while he was saving me in the jungle by holding me in his arms and running me out of harms way. It was just before he single handedly ended the offensive. He told me while he carried me out that he was only doing the one year stint for extra money and that his day job was a Provost Marshal for an Army prison.

Oh yeah Greg, how's that shrimp boat thing working out for ya?

Submitted by Fayetteresident on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 6:20pm.

Peter, you stated the "Comprehensive Growth Management Plan began as a true community effort written by 208 people from Fayette County who were from all segments of our community: government, commercial, industrial, development, environmental and “regular” citizens from no faction." As I recall, Greg Dunn was NOT part of the original effort. Greg Dunn is an embarrassment and a hinderance to our community. You can't possibly believe that in order to "keep the plan, we must keep the incumbents" can you??? It sounds to me like a last ditch effort to save YOUR own skin... because you know once Greg & Linda are gone, YOU'RE NEXT!

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