Editor Cal Beverly was right and Idontknow (aka: Reality Bytes, or stolen post name) was wrong. The good old developer boys, the Chamber of Commerce and the local elected puppets have brought us into the era of "rampant growth" and massive shopping traffic.

Your Direct PAC has been wrong on TDK and nearly everything else you decided to open your mouth on.

Vote Republican

Stop selling your land off,and the growth will slow down.

A new newspaper for Fayette County? OK with me if it is a real newspaper that actually reports the news and keeps the editorial pontificating down to a murmur.

Cal running for public office? That would certainly humble him. Having to actually have opinions and principles and have to answer questions in real time without a week behind closed door to formulate his answers or opinions would be impossible for him.

In fact the new newspaper would also humble Cal. He's have to compete for the advertising business instead of being the only game in town. He would then have to put up with big business (aka good ole boys) telling him to modify his editorial opinions or they pull their ads. Can't wait to see that one. I like the thought of that so much, I'm going to start a new newspaper. I sure have the time and some of the money. Anyone else want to participate?
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The other local newspaper (which I won't name out of respect for our host) is pretty good, too. It doesn't come reliably, but it's good when it gets here.

I think you are way off base.
We get dozens of copies during the week at my place of employment, so I read it pretty much every day.
Their sports page is pretty good - it has more individual game stories, but it's a four page paper (front, one inside, opinion and sports) and their news is often late - considering The Citizen comes out, for all intents and purposes, twice a week. When you factor in the web updates here, it's no contest.
Somedays I grab my trusty red pen and play find the mistakes on the front page too - when I've finished the sudoku in the AJC (I have some free time every day) - you'd be amazed at how many headlines are spelled wrong. They've done better recently (must actually read it occasionally before printing) but I think they are a joke.

The other paper has an incredible amount of spelling errors in each edition. It would make a great teaching tool for fourth grade spelling teachers. Surprisingly, most of the spelling errors occur under the byline of a single reporter (who just happens to be married to the publisher).

Single Best Line from the other paper:
Delta Pilots Cancal Talks with Mangement

I understond some peple can't spell, ner do they took the time to prof read or have someones else do it, but the "sin" is in that it is a newspaper! (not an ad sheet). Of all places that no missedpelling should occuur, this is it. I,( or is it me?) as a reader, are allowed to do suchas but they are not. Do you agggree?

That's a funny post about the newspaper. You must be really smart to pick up on all of their mistakes. What do you do for a living?

I am hardly ever interested, nor do I read most of them, in replys to my comments. If you will re-read your latest you should be able to see why! You are apparently one of those people who just simply stay offended or agree with nothing said that might be progressive or helpful. Mistakes are mistakes. Continued mistakes are idiotic. Just how can one justify newspaper mistakes of the last 30 years with no interest in correction?

Nothing right now -
maybe I'll go into selling paper wholesale to companies.

Can't say I've caught all of their mistakes, but the ones in banner headlines above the fold are fairly obvious.

Unless your highreen, I wasn't responding to you I was responding to high.

Please educate me! I really don't know what other paper you are referring to.

I was referring to Fayette Daily News. (Sorry Mr. Beverly. Fancypants made me do it.)

They aren't online, though.

To my knowledge, these are the newspapers in Fayette County: (1) The Citizen (weekly), (2) the Fayette Neighbor (weekly), (3) the Fayette Daily News (published with minor variations as Today in Peachtree City in that city), and (4) the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which has a special Thursday section for news of Fayette and Coweta counties.

The Citizen newspaper, published on Wednesdays, seems to have a sister publication for Peachtree City and East Coweta on the weekends. The Citizen is distributed free to Fayette households not located on dirt roads.

The Fayette Neighbor is published weekly by the Marietta Daily Journal. It is distributed free to some Fayette households not located on dirt roads.

The Fayette Daily News (and its sister Today in Peachtree City) is special in many ways. It is offered by subscription and received in the mail. One issue a week is distributed free (for the benefit of advertisers). When you subscribe, it does not show up daily. But you could say it shows up "more or less" daily. Sometimes, the editor forgets to change the date on it, so you may get two papers in a row with the same date but different stories. Some stories are undated, referring to something that happened "Tuesday," and it's your job to decide which Tuesday in the past might be the right date. The spelling is kind of fun too. A May 26 article showed "Deportation or sealing the boarder, which will it be?" (A boarder is a person who lives in your home; a border is the line that separates two countries. Sealing the boarder makes some sense to me, but it's a bit weird as it reminds me of what Betty Applewhite did in Desperate Housewives.) By vote of the sheriff, probate judge and clerk of the superior court, this newspaper is the county's legal organ. This paper offers more opinions than news, but it never criticizes the sheriff, probate judge or clerk of superior court.

The AJC special section offers little by way of local news, but this section helps sop up some local advertising revenue. It offers a Vent, but few people bother with it. The main daily paper does, of course, offer occasional stories about events in Fayette County.

So far as I know, that's about it!

One has to pay a fee to see the Fayette Daily News (I haven't for years). They sell so few ads now that they can't aford to criticize anyone much in the country, especially the government. They still back Nixon. At least the citizen, which does not criticize the feds--ever--will allow "most" citizens to use "free speech."

Glad I was not taking a drink when I read the nonsense, idontknow.

The whole electiion cycle you were taking pot shots all the time at the then mayor.

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...I did my part, though. It's just extremely tiring to hear this same stuff over and over again.

Everybody wants to look for blame. Let's stop that and start moving forward.

Pundits are idiots, and yes, I'll lump myself into that category. But then again, so are many here.

Move forward?

How? We stupid peasants have no input. We are informed of the decisions.

So, don't you mean let Harold do the Good Ole Boy routine and move forward as he sees fit?

No. I don't want to talk about Brown. But when I hear people trying to blame this morning's curdled milk on him having been mayor, that is absurd.

We agreed to Logsdon show what he is. Then speak out if not good.

It is not good. And we are going to pay out the nose for it.

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Brown was not the right person at the right time he was the only person other than Bob Lenox. We took that choice and it proved to be too far out there, even for you.

Lenox ended his 10 years because of term limits. There is absolutely no doubt that in a Lenox - Brown race, then or now, Lenox would win.

Nevertheless, what actually happened was that Brown and some forgettable others ran for mayor. No one in the race had any experience and there was certainly no incumbent. It is important to remember, this was before 8/11 and Delta was flying high and their pilots were the highest paid in the industry. That's important because in the runoff election for mayor it was Brown and Gary Rower, a Delta pilot. Brown beat a Delta pilot in a runoff with less than a 10% turnout by a slim margin. He got as many anti-Delta pilot votes as he got pro-Brown votes.

And of course, let's ignore Bob Craft - he has moved away I hope.
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Brown thrashed Rower by a two-to-one margin in the primary (2851-1412) and a three-to-two margin in the runoff (3171-1946). Winning by over a thousand votes in a five thousand vote race wouldn't be considered a "slim margin" by most folks.

But then most people aren't as intellectually dishonest as "mudcat".

(I suspect "mudcat" is a former girlfriend of Steve Brown's. I can't fathom any other reason why she spews so much vitriol at Brown. Anything and everything is always Steve Brown's fault. Global Warming? Brown's fault. Cat had kittens? Brown's fault. Nuclear proliferation? Brown's fault. And of course any one who disagrees with her is a "Brown alias" by definition.)

Sounds Islamic to me, but looks like you are a Brown supporter - maybe Rothley. Who else would have the actual vote count at their elbow? Loser, Loser, Loser.

There's this website called Google. You can find lots of neat stuff on it. You should get your grandchildren or your visiting nurse to show you how it works sometimes.

It's a great tool for debunking factually-challenged posters like Mudcat and PTC Lie, errr, PTC Guy.

Okay mudcat, my bad (memory that is.) Good stuff to know.

Also if Bob Craft has moved away I wish he would redirect his inebriated attention to whatever comunity he is now polluting.

to a Dunn-Wells endorsement.

Now there hammie...You were a big Brown enemy ! You got what you asked for.

What I asked for was no more Brown.

What I got was no more Brown and a mayor who is least a grown-up person who listens and then decides.

What I hoped for was a mayor and council who would make the correct decisions without a personal agenda or a special interest. The jury is still out on this one.

Not for me.

Logsdon opens new issues telling us peasants his already decided position from the Ivory Tower. Which is EXACTLY what I predicted.

No. A grown up absorbs input, analysis it and then decides. Logdson has not been doing that. And it is telling in the results.

Brown did a lot of errors. But not listening was not one of them.

You wanted the Good Ole Boy days. You got'em.

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Harold does seem decided before the debate starts. And he certainly talks to the old guard. Nevertheless, 4 more years of Brown would have killed our city, don't you think?

Which is worse? Or better?

Oh, man. What a question.

Neither are dream boat mayors. Let me make that real clear real fast.

But, no, I do not think 4 more years of Brown would have killed the city.

I fear Logsdon is going to bury us. He wants to assume the Tennis Center (illegal) debt. In backing Seasons without FIRST insuring the infrastructure will be there at THEIR expense we are looking at a vehicular nightmare in that area. Especially if it remains a single entry/exit.

And remember. Seasons are gated communities. So 400 acres are going to be restricted access to 700 homes only. Meaning all other traffic has to go around those 400 acres wedged between Line Creek and the RR.

Sewer tap ones is another issue he backs.

What will he do if Fairburn does their proposal again, to become part of Fayette County? They are doing the annex moves and such to set it up. My source from that area says they already have State level backing for the action to happen.

Add in the other issues, such as Stormwater and so on.

We don't have a clue what his ultimate agenda is. But it sure looks Good Ole Boy to the max to me.

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I remember what got Brown into office. I voted for him because he was the least evil of the candidates that ran.

That was a lousy lot to choose from.

Or, have you forgotten their platforms?

From all I have seen so far, I wish Brown were back.

You are right. Many didn't think of what they would get would stand for. I remember the reactions I got to my Ivory Tower, Good Ole Boys, tell the peasants after the decisions were made, drive to assume the Tennis Center debt and so on.

By the way. Remember I said a stall would be put on the Stormwater Utility? Where does it stand as of now?

And another little gem for you. So (posters who know who I mean) bring on the accusations of again not having any clue to what I am talking about.

Fairburn is setting up to annex some of areas named Palmetto. Plus down to the Tyrone line.

Why? Because there is a movement, again, seeking to leave Fulton County and become part of Fayette County.

Think about it.

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Long time, no see, PTC Guy. I've been hoping I didn't ever have to do this again, but I guess my blood sugar's low.

What "stall" is there? Oh, wise one, what conspiracy is there now that is dooming the City to failure? Please elaborate.

Or is it hit and run, again and again.

You got your stormwater bill, right? You paid it, right? You read the article about Huddleston Pond, right?

Where's the holdup? Should the city have a person on the roof of City Hall with a bulldozer telling you every little thing it's doing at the top of his/her lungs? Do you even CONSIDER going to Council meetings?

I just look at a statement like "By the way. Remember I said a stall would be put on the Stormwater Utility? Where does it stand as of now?" and shake my head. You don't care much for solving problems, do you?

Why don't YOU run for office? You and Mr. Beverly can make a fantastic team.

Keep that real, would ya?

Where is the Stormwater, you ask?

They have posted ONE job position and have not filled it. And yes, there have been applications filed.

By schedule 5 positions were to have been bid, filled and in training as of May. Equipment purchases should be in work.

The top job seems to have silently gotten merged to the old Asst. City Manager who took over another vacancy.

Not suppose to happen. The Stormwater Utility is not suppose to have merged with any job funded out of the General Fund.

If Huddleston Pond is being funded by Stormwater using Public Works or other employees they are breaking the law.

Do you understand that? Utility funds must be used on Utility employees and equipment. ONLY. Not other departments.

Deal with that reality.

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You really need to do a better job at explaing yourself in your first posts. I honestly read it like the stormwater utility was not coming along and not as no employees and no equipment have been put in place yet.

You read correctly, then.

No Utility personnel have been hired. One job has been posted for months but left unfilled.

Yep. The clerk to collect money has been hired. But no personnel for getting the work done.

My info is it is 'under review' for a year.

But they have our money for it. And will collect a second year's, minimum, before it gets going, per what I am seeing.

A Stormwater Utility, by Federal Law, must have workers hired for and performing only Stormwater Utility work. It cannot be comingled with other departments.

So, there is no progress on putting it into operation.

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So if this is true, what can we do about it?

Someone will have to ask in the 2 minutes allowed before a Meeting. See what the response is.

I got a feeling it will be a vague, escapist, response.

Since I have things going on, in a different direction, I will not ask.

I asked one thing, before, a simple thing. Other Council members smiled and replied. Lodgsdon snarled and got mad.

But it is true.

Look at peachtree-city.org. There is ONE job posted. And has been posted since February. The next 3 jobs that should have been posted on its heels have not been.

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