Case against BoE’s Powers defended

Tue, 05/16/2006 - 3:58pm
By: Letters to the ...

I appreciate this newspaper’s desire to allow our public officials the opportunity to attempt to set the record straight.

Recently Mr. Greg Powers was quoted in a local paper suggesting that the Board of Elections had acted improperly, had heard false testimony about his residency and overall was nothing more than a kangaroo court when they ruled him ineligible to be a candidate for school board. I would like to take this opportunity, not necessarily to rebut his many assertions, but to explain more fully what actually occurred during our recent hearing.

The Board of Elections was presented with a challenge to Mr. Powers’ residency status by two citizens residing in his neighborhood.

This challenge required that a hearing be set as soon as practical in order that we could ascertain the truth of his residency.

Since the ballots are being printed, as we speak, we needed to insure that when the election is held in July that only those candidates who are eligible should be on the ballot.

I personally called Mr. Powers and told him that he was being challenged. He responded that his family moved to the Brooks address from his antebellum home but that he maintained a bedroom outfit at his home. He said that he “lived at both homes.” He said it was a matter of convenience that determined where he stayed.

He indicated that when he was to be in Griffin the following morning, he would stay in Brooks, and when he was to be in Fayetteville, he stayed in his antebellum address.

I asked him about what and why he was staying away from home. He merely said he was trying to stay there to “fix it up” to be sold. He even indicated that he hoped to have the home up for sale as early as this summer, but that he hadn’t made up his mind what he exactly wanted to do.

Eight residents from his neighborhood came out and gave statements regarding their firm belief that he was disingenuous in his contentions that he lived there.

The mere fact that so many people came forward to stand up in front of Mr. Powers was in and of itself very impressive. They all consistently attempted to only state what they personally knew, not what they had heard. Although emotions were high, they all were respectful in presenting their case. The evidence was extremely credible and overwhelming in light of the evidence that Mr. Powers chose to present.

Some of the evidence that we heard that night and have learned subsequent to the hearing was

1. He had told them that he was moving to Brooks months ago, long before the qualification for the election was held.

2. He actually told them, weeks later, that he had already moved and that he was hoping to sell this house as soon as he could get it together.

3. He was never seen at the home except on only rare occasions.

4. His swimming pool was slowly turning into a health hazard in that it was drying out and turning green becoming nothing more than a nesting ground for mosquitoes.

5. His yard was unkempt and uncared for. He had not mowed the grass, and dead trees and debris were scattered about.

6. No activity was seen at the home at all for months.

7. His mailbox was sealed, and his mail was being forwarded to the Brooks address.

8. His wife had changed her driver’s license and voter’s registration to the new home.

9. His home never was lighted at night save that of the driveway light left on 24 hours.

10. That only after the challenge was filed, did the neighbors actually start to see activity at the house. He began parking a car there and turning on lights in the house.

11. That the family pets were no longer at the property.

Mr. Powers was given a chance to respond. Georgia law requires the candidate to present evidence of his residency if he is challenged. It is called a show cause hearing.

This was his defense:

1. He stated that his residence was where he said he lived.

2. He said he slept there last night.

3. He said his daughter slept there with him last night as well, but she either would not or did not wish to speak.

4. He said that it was not against the law to own two homes.

5. He said he had not changed his driver’s license, his voter’s registration, nor his homestead exemption. (Although he failed to acknowledge that there would be no impact on his taxes if he were to have moved his exemption, since both homes were in the same county.)

6. Only after the board asked did he present a utility bill from that property. However, again, that evidence did not prove his residency, since, as Mr. Powers acknowledged, one can own more than one home and ergo, can have more than one utility bill in his name.

The board could not understand his reasoning and asked if he could at all appreciate how or why we felt that these other witnesses couldn’t or shouldn’t be believed. He merely responded that he didn’t see or understand why his residency could be questioned.

Unlike the witnesses who openly challenged his statements to the board, Mr. Powers never rebutted any statement made that night. Never did he challenge a single witness and confront them as being liars that he now is so readily willing to direct to the newspaper.

If he was willing to call these witness liars in the newspaper, why not do so when they were present and the time for when we were determining the facts?

At one point, the Democrat appointee to the board said to Mr. Powers if he wanted to “give it up” because “you’ve been busted.” He asked Mr. Powers if he would just make this matter easy for everybody and just withdraw.

Mr. Powers said no he wouldn’t. He then asked him if he planned on living at the antebellum address during the next four years, should he be reelected, and he stated, “Probably not.”

In which I then stated that this would mean his seat on the board would be vacated. He immediately responded that the law did not state that, to which I replied by actually reading the code section which stated that very thing.

He again just scoffed and stated that he had some law that would support his position, although he never volunteered to present it.

Time is of the essence when qualifying and challenging candidates. The ballots need to be printed, and if an ineligible candidate’s name is placed on the ballot then this can confuse the voter should they accidentally vote for an ineligible candidate.

Although the Board of Elections is doing its best in securing a fair and impartial election, we must follow the law in insuring that it is run by the law that we have.

Residency is a requirement that is an absolute to be eligible to be a candidate and to serve on the Board of Education. The board did not present the evidence; the voters of Fayette County made the challenge and they did so with candid and forthright statements that rang true and credible to the board.

Mr. Powers also did not bring an attorney to the hearing and argued that since the board had an attorney representing it, that he should be allowed one as well.

This is only partially true. Ms. Seabolt brought an attorney to represent her against the challenge brought by the board. The issue before the board as to Ms. Seabolt’s case was one of how to interpret the law, and not the facts.

However, after Ms. Seabolt’s hearing was finished, our attorney did not continue his representation of the board. He remained merely as a witness, but did not participate at all in the Powers’ hearing. He did not ask questions nor give advice.

Ms. Seabolt did not find it too difficult to find a very competent lawyer to represent her and Mr. Powers had the opportunity to do so as well and merely chose not to. To delay the hearing, when all eight witnesses had appeared, after the meeting had been going on for approximately an hour, and with a fast approaching election, did not seem either fair, nor practical.

Ms. Seabolt’s case was not one predicated upon the facts, but upon the law. She readily admitted to being an employee of the Board of Education and the law stated that at the time of qualifying that she must swear an oath that she is eligible to HOLD the office. It requires she sign this affidavit and to make this affirmation.

If the law stated that the candidate agrees that she WILL be eligible to hold the office, then we would certainly have not challenged her eligibility at all.

Of interest is the sheriff’s election two years ago in Clayton County, when a county employee ran for sheriff, which was a violation of a local ordinance not a state law.

The Board of Elections was fearful that this local ordinance might be illegal so they failed to rule against the now current sheriff. The federal court has since ruled that the local ordinance was proper which meant Clayton County could and should have ruled that Sheriff Hill was ineligible to run. But instead, they sat on their hands and decided that following the law was less important than finding a way to try and be amicable.

Georgia law determines the rules by which this board must follow. Should the Georgia General Assembly wish to change those rules to allow a candidate to merely assert where his residency is, then Mr. Powers would be safe in his current district.

Should the law change to allow employees of the school board to run for election and then to resign before they serve, then the General Assembly can do that as well.

But until then, we are bound by our oath to follow the plain language of the law. Although Mr. Powers may consider our recent hearing as nothing more than a “kangaroo court,” I can assure the voters of Fayette County that we take our oaths very seriously. Something that would not have been a problem had the candidate himself done so as well.

Richard D. Hobbs
Fayetteville, Ga.

Hobbs is an attorney and member of the Fayette County Board of Elections.

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Submitted by fcteacher on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 11:31am.

What's the big deal? Isn't it only, like, $600 a month? Or is it for other reasons? I don't think anyone has forgotten the "incident" at WMS. I hope they haven't. That was blatent. It was an embarrassment to the entire county.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 9:15am.

While Richard Hobbs presents a convincing case, we all know for a fact that paper ballots are no longer used in Georgia elections, so his statement that "since the ballots are being printed, as we speak" is pure unadulterated baloney. We now use computer screens in our elections, and people put their finger on the space designated for the candidate. Ballots don't get printed. Since we have caught Mr. Hobbs in what seems essentially to be a lie, he has weakened his case considerably. (That does not strengthen Powers' case any. It just makes Hobbs look bad.)


Submitted by CherokeeKid on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 11:14am.

Once again, eyinvest, aka Steve Brown, spews out some more of his ignorant drivel on this blog. Apparently being the house husband he is, he has loads of time on his hands, so he has never had to vote absentee. Since January, his schedule is really wide open, by the way and we still rejoice over that fact. Regardless, if he had ever voted absentee, he would have never made such a silly put down of Hobbs. What do you expect Steve, that they mail you a computer so you can vote absentee while you watch Dr. Phil? Of course, the elections folks still have paper ballots and all this takes time to get proofed, approved and printed. This is just a continuation of your pattern of doing things. You know the facts very well, but you twist and distort them to fit your agenda. What you say is not "essentially" a lie, its outright horse manure. So go back to putting those yard signs together for your boy, Sam Chapman. Let the ones that are actually knowledgeable about the issues debate and discuss them.

Submitted by oldsimon on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 10:52am.

Buddy, you sure do not miss an opportunity to display your utter ignorance. You owe Mr. Hobbs an apology, but I doubt that you are man enough to do that. Calling someone a liar is pretty strong language, especially when you are not informed on the subject. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. Would you be so eager to call him a liar if you used your real name? So you are a coward, too. As for Mr. Hobbs' case being weakened - he has the law on his side of the case. As a matter of fact he is a pretty darn good lawyer from what I have read and heard out of him. By the way, did you think that the names on the touch screen voting machines just magically appear on election day?

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 9:44am.

The law requires that every voter is to be given the "right" to vote. So yes, its true we use touch screens now. However, we still have paper ballots too. In fact, at no cost to the County-Diebold agrees to print them for us, except for the freight costs, we have tens of thousands of ballots ready for every election.

1. Absentee ballots are very popular these days, and now that the law permits the parties to send them out, along with their own paperwork, then BOE's across Georgia have been increasing the need for these paper ballots.
2. Voters that come to the wrong precinct must be given the right to vote under some circumstances. Therefore a paper ballot is provided.
3. Provisional votes are paper ballots.
4. In the event of a power outage-computers do break down- or a hazard of some sort that prevents voters from coming to the precinct, then paper ballots are available then as well.

And finally, the touch screens require programing. With all of the electronic locks that are built into the system, it takes a long time to "change" a ballot electronically. One might not think so, but it does.
As of this date, it appears we may have little if anytime left to make any changes. So assuming that the Appellant Courts uphold our decisions on these ineligible candidates, then you will be seeing us working extremely hard at determining how to insure that the voters are fully and legally informed that a vote for one of these two candidates will not count.

With Warmest Regards,

Richard Hobbs


Submitted by insidelookingout on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:21am.

Richard, don't get yourself into the habit of airing your thoughts in the Citizen like ole Stevey boy did. It was the beginning of the end for him. Leave the letter writing to all the whiners and malcontents.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:30am.

Richard needs to express his thoughts and they are appreciated. If he stops writing how will we become informed so we can come to our on conclusions? Agree or Disagree I appreciate your being sincere in you writings Richard. Soooo.... Please don't hold back...tell us how you really feel about.


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Submitted by mapleleaf on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 2:32pm.

When Mac Barber last ran for the Public Service Commission, the Supreme Court of Georgia ruled he was ineligible because his residence was outside the proper district. The court's decision came way too late for his name to be removed from the ballot, but there were all manners of public notices that a vote for him would not count. Nonetheless, hundreds of Fayette County residents voted for him.

What does that prove?

(1) The courts are very slow. (2) Some people aren't very smart. (3) Voting for an ineligible candidate does not count even if his name appears on the ballot. (4) In the end there is no real harm done in that situation.

For a decision-maker like Hobbs to interview Powers out of the hearing room when Powers had not yet had the opportunity to hire a lawyer to advise him of his rights appears to be a flagrant violation of due process. Powers' lawyer could have ascertained whether the Georgia Administrative Procedure Act's provisions were applicable in this case, and he could have protected Powers' rights. As Hobbs himself has observed, Powers did not cross-examine the witnesses against him, possibly because Powers did not know how and could not prepare.

What is sad is that in the end the case might come out the very same way and Powers, after spending a great deal of time and money, might find himself ineligible. But neither Hobbs nor the Board of Elections cover themselves with glory for their hasty and unprofessional handling of this situation. The professed need to print ballots "as we speak" does not override Powers' constitutional rights, and he was absolutely right to complain of having faced a kangaroo court. Hobbs' actions in this case are reprehensible.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 7:54pm.

Mr. Eyeinvest,

Considering your earlier post in which you quickly called me a liar without you yourself either knowing the facts nor the truth...
Considering your inability to either admit your earlier error, nor to consider even acknowledging the need to make even a minimal and courtesy apology...
Considering your continued ignorance in merely rambling about issues and facts to which you either know little or you care little to investigate to determine the truth. . .

I will leave you sir, to continue your diatribes alone.

Being cloaked in your hidden moniker should have given you room to admit your fault, but even your arogance while in your costume means that you indeed are not worthy of any further debate.

BTW: I don't think you are Steve Brown, he at least quotes an occaisional fact every now and again.


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Submitted by mapleleaf on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 7:44am.

Nearly 100% of the people won't find anything newsworthy about the caption "lawyer caught lying." After all, we get story after story showing what some lawyers are capable of. Just last week, in Fayette county, the lawyer for a woman charged with embezzling funds from her law firm employer had the gall to suggest her employer was giving her bonuses when the digit for the "thousand" figure in her paychecks mysteriously, and repeatedly, changed from a 1 to a higher digit.

A lot of lawyers are in fact honest, but trial lawyers are something else. Here's a breed prone to bombastic exaggeration, self-importance, and outright lies and fabrications. One needs to watch out for that type.

So here we caught a lawyer telling us that election ballots were being printed "as we speak," when in fact the State of Georgia hardly uses printed ballots (using touch screens instead). And he has the gall to ask for an apology because a few printed ballots do get used for absentees who vote by mail. What he said was perceived as "essentially" a lie, and it remains so. There's been no proof that ballots were being printed "as we speak," and I suspect there never will be.

The "ballots being printed as we speak" argument came up as an explanation of why it was extremely urgent for the Board of Elections to hold a hearing to disqualify Powers so his name would not appear on printed ballots. There's the bombastic exaggeration for you. The self-importance comes from all the lengthy explanations announcing their author is an attorney.

Printing ballots with Powers' name on them, and then declaring him ineligible later, is no big deal. Powers' constitutional right to due process is a big deal. Respect for the Constitution is a big deal. Having decision-makers who respect people's rights, and who aren't both prosecutor and judge in the same case, is a big deal.

If Powers had been properly advised of his rights and given enough time, he might have gone to a lawyer who might have advised him, privately, that he was mistaken in his belief he could still run for his current office in the circumstances he was in. Powers could then have gracefully withdrawn, with no fuss, no confrontation, and minimal expense for everyone.

That's what good lawyering is all about, Mr. Hobbs!


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 8:56am.

Actually, a "few printed ballots" equates to almost 30,000.

Actually, Ms. Seabolt had "enough time" to have not only gone to a lawyer but to have him present at the hearing.

Actually, "Due Process" is Notice and an Opportunity to be heard. The eight challengers-which now has increased dramatically since the hearing-all found the time to come and speak the truth. Mr. Powers was given notice of the hearing and he had an opportunity to be heard. I don't know how much more time one needs to say "I live there".

You argue that the profession of lawyers as being ruthless and unethical-perhaps in an attempt to slander me, and then ironically state, that had an attorney actually been involved, then this whole ordeal might not have occurred because he may have convinced Mr. Powers of his mis-understanding. The problem is not of the "mis-understanding" as much as it had to do with a clear understanding of what was being attempted and trying to find a way to get away with it.

Again, I know you are enjoying your anonymity, but that means your ego can be checked at the door. How can you continue to make these outrageous comments after being constantly proven in error?

I suggest we both leave this matter where it lays, since it appears only you and I care to take this debate this far.


Submitted by SoCalMama on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 12:08pm.

From what I have seen and heard from the FCBOE in the 2 years I have lived in Fayette County....shameful. Instead of giving this Mr. Powers the attention he so does not deserve, the BOE should concentrate on the many issues which plague our school system: illegal students, over crowding, etc. The BOE is too busy fighting the little peon's than controlling the real problems in the schools and on the Board.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire Board should be replaced!

Submitted by Jimmy Jazz on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:30am.

The "Unfortunate and very sad" truth is that the culture of today tends to exceed it's level of personal interests upon others, as well as, upon the authorities given jurisdiction over them. If those that choose to drain the resources of our governing bodies by "pushing" their way into avenues of their own aggendas were to actually use their talents to assist in those issues that plague our community, then we would all be singing a better tune.

Unfortunately, often enough, such as in the case of the FCBoE, those in office deal more with the inherited problems of past decisions. While I have no desire to tell someone how to do their job, I have respect for those that either join in the solution or just get out of the way. Replacing the entire Board is simply ignoring ALL the issues and creating new ones that would certainly compound the existing ones. This is what is truly "very sad". Our citizens criticizing instead getting involved for a positive impact.

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