On illegal immigration, is USA headed in the right direction?

Mon, 05/15/2006 - 4:27pm
By: The Citizen


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:36pm.

America is failing on the issue of immigration because there is absolutely no policy at all. It is political paralysis. But, as Arizona Congressman JD Hayworth points out, this is what BOTH political parties want. Why? Because the Democrats get cheap votes and the Republicans get cheap labor.

America has previously had coherent and effective immigration policies. Ellis Island, from 1896 to 1938, was a tremendous government success. Eisehower's plan in 1954 was a success in compelling illegal aliens to voluntarily depart.

Regardles of your view, the truly disheartening result of not having any real policy on immigration is that it is shaking our roots as a nation of laws. So many of our laws (from immigration to withholding taxes to social security) are being rendered meaningless.


Submitted by reywahp on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 1:28pm.

Most of the people do migrate in United State of America because they believe that the life in USA is much better compared to their life in their own country. They choose to live and adapt the culture and
customs of the Americans in order to live the way they should live on that place. Though it's hard to live on a country that most of the people are stranger but you as an immigrant have to make some adjustment on how they deal life.

janice

Brooklyn, assists clients from the New York metro area and across the United States in all immigration and naturalization matters http://www.e-us-visa.com

Submitted by bda1996 on Mon, 06/05/2006 - 4:07pm.

Do we all agree with the wall in Berlin or China?
Are we going to do the same in the United State of America?
What happen? We are judging every Immigrant as if they were killers.This is not going to save us from anything this something to keep us entertain while the War keeps on.
Don't think is fair for the poor people that are trying to have a better life. Put yourself in their shoes and think how will you feel?
And if your trying to send money to the rest of your family so they could have food in their table?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Mon, 06/05/2006 - 5:06pm.

Do we all agree with the wall in Berlin

Non-equivalent.

That wall was within a single country that had been divided by war. And its function was to keep people in, not keep people out.

or China?

Non-equivalent.

That Great Wall of China was to keep invading armies out. I have never heard it being called an unjust wall.

Are we going to do the same in the United State of America?

I hope so. We need to defend out country against illegals. It is our right. They have no right to just walk in and set up shop.

What happen? We are judging every Immigrant as if they were killers.

They are criminals. Period.

This is not going to save us from anything this something to keep us entertain while the War keeps on.

One World Government. One World Nation. Liberal idealogy.

Don't think is fair for the poor people that are trying to have a better life.

They are destroying America. They do not assimilate. They steal jobs from Americans. They are ILLEGAL.

Let them get together and fix Mexico.

Put yourself in their shoes and think how will you feel?

We cannot allow the whole world in. We cannot assimilate even all from Mexico that want to come in.

Let them fix Mexico.

And if your trying to send money to the rest of your family so they could have food in their table?

Let them fix Mexico. Not come here and destroy our culture and way of life.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:10pm.

Don't think is fair for the poor people that are trying to have a better life.

They are destroying America. They do not assimilate. They steal jobs from Americans. They are ILLEGAL.

Well, if that doesn't sound a lot like what the "Oakies" (American citizens, some with roots to the Revolutionary War) heard from the citizens of California during the dust bowl era. The main difference being that we are treating the current illegal immigrants a lot better now than our own citizens were treated then.


Submitted by robert m on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 12:38pm.

Who know which direction we are headed in? Seems to me both parties are using this issue as a political football, each trying to maximize the benefit to themselves.

Bush proposed a sensible program in 2003, ie, 3 year work visas that would be renewable so long as they worked and could document that. That doesn't amount to amnesty, regardless how the liberals try to spin it. It doesn't result in citizen ship automatically as they might have you believe. Citizenship can be applied for after 8 years are completed and the process is the same as if they were coming from south of the border.

It goes without saying that to attempt to round up 11 million illegals and send them back it would wreck our economy. They are in fact doing work that other Americans do not want to do, elsewise those "other Americans" would be doing it. And they are not working for $5.15/ hr. Most are earning $12 to $15 per hour.

Send them back home and watch the housing economy tailspin for 3 or 4 years and the cost of housing skyrocket. It's pretty simple to figure out the effect on our economy.

Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 2:43pm.

I suppose illegally crossing our border, obtaining false identification, stealing someones SS number (a felony), driving without insurance, not paying into required SS, not paying any taxes by claiming ten or more dependents, and on and on, should be rewarded in some way just for their ingenuity! This is very selfish to allow criminals to do yours and others work, and cheat the system, just to get slave labor. Put ANY employer of these people in jail for thirty days the very first time caught. You will see them go home because they won't be hired. It is a very simple matter---if their SS doesn't match the computer, and show payments, they don't get hired. The legal kids have to go with them back to Mexico and other South American countries, then we could catch the few criminals who do come in including Al Quieda.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 5:13pm.

I'll do that job! Where are they hiring?!

FayetteFlyer

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 8:32pm.

Same here!

I know of a good number of jobs that USE to pay that much. But since hiring illegals they are getting half that amount, or less.

If they paid that much they would be hiring legal Americans.

That is sheer garbage to say that.

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Submitted by robert m on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 9:35pm.

I personally know for a fact that the hispanics working in the construction trades are earning that much and more. Too many goons blog off the cuff here and seldom know what they are talking about.

Check it out for yourself. Ask any local plumbing company or poured foundation operator what they are paying these illegals for their work.

Get back here with the truth after you check it out. Vincente Fox was right when he said they are doing work that no American wants to do.

By the way, the HOPE scholarships have produced a glut of college educated young people who are starting at $45M and higher. I wouldn't work for $15/hr either.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 10:09pm.

When I did an addition the one part that had to be torn out and rebuilt was done by illegals.

He did not want to use the ones, originally, that did it right because the illegals were so much cheaper.

Normally, no one would have caught the problem. But he ran into somone who had experience in those areas.

Then my neighbor had a foundation pour done by illegals. I told them and her they framed the pour wrong and it would not hold. It din't.

And another had them do a 'cheap' reshingle job for cash. Had to be reworked at addtional expense 3 months later.

I know one that does good work. But only ONE.

And fabricators in some busineses I have been servicing for years. They brag about how cheap they get them for.

Obviously I know a lot more people in the trade than you do. And ones that give honest answers.

Wayne Rodgers, from MASH, does stocks and is a developer in Florida.

He will not hire illegals and pays a good wage. American citizen craftsman were lining up trying to get work. Work they had been knocked out of by cheap illegal unskilled workers.

You do not know what you are talking about.

And college workers all starting at $45? What planet are you on. Many cannot find work upon graduation.

One went back and got a second degree and is still looking, and not for a high price job. Another went a tech school and got work from that, not the the degree.

Oh, yea. I do service work for a large local plumber. He has no Hispanic plumbers.

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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 05/20/2006 - 8:00am.

And in my field there has been a "Ph.D glut" for more than twenty years. A podunk college in Alabama will advertise a teaching position and get two hundred applications from freshly-minted Ph.Ds--many from top-notch universities.

When I graduated 15 years ago, at the ceremony I actually sat under a sign that read: "Ph.D Overflow Area."

I know a lot of people who went the distance educationally, but simply could not find work in their field. But for the grace of God there go I.

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"Every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
--Duane Allman


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 05/19/2006 - 2:58pm.

Highgreen. You came off your high. Well done man. See how clearly your thinking now. Your posting makes you sound like a Conservative. You really are....aren't you. You've been bad like me and really your one of the regular guys on here and your impersonating a liberal like Agg Pro was. Either that or you're getting Hannitized here.


Submitted by hurricanefancy65 on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 12:27pm.

We are going to send troops that cost lots of money & time from their families for WHAT so Bush can't say he is doing something. Stop the free benifits, let the people that hire them shut down.If they do not see they are hurting our country by helping illegals and sucking the life out of hard working tax paying people so be it. If DUMB is the right direction I guess it is the right direction.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 1:18pm.

Yep. Heading the wrong direction using Turbo-Charged PC Stupidoes.

Time for a 3rd Party. Not like the Greens or Libertarians. But sane folks that believe hurt feelings are sometimes needed.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 4:17pm.

Neither party is going to do squat. If the Republicrats wanted to something they would create an enforcement arm of the INS that would crack down and enforce the laws that ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. We need to nail the employers of illegals and fine them harshly. Let's abolish the IRS and move to a Fair Tax. To show compassion for all the unemployed IRS jackboot agents let's transfer them over to the INS and let them go after the folks that hire illegals. We need no new laws. Only to enforce the ones we have.

How about our representitive Lynn Westmoreland. With all of his developer and builder friends how much enforcement do you think he will push for? Oh yes...he will give lip service and help pass another law. But what good does passing laws do when you don't enforce the ones we have.

Gee. Maybe if they were enforced it would put a strain on his business. Wonder how many illegals we would find on his job sites?


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 8:28pm.

What a novel idea. Too bad out governments don't believe in it.

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