Has anyone ever noticed this?

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I was in Fayetteville yesterday driving through the parking lot at the Pavillion. An african-american lady walked out in front of me looked at me then started deliberately walking very slow across the lane. This has happened more times than I can count. Look into my windshield and see that I'm white, walk so slow in front of my car like they have another ass at home in case this one gets run over! Am I the only one that has this happen to them all the time?

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 4:24pm.

(I won't make anyone happy with this post: neither local rednecks nor some blacks. But please read me carefully before you reply.)

I think I know what you are talking about. There are, I think, elements of the African American community where a smoldering resentment lingers from days gone by. What I've seen that was similar to what you seem to be describing, was likely an attempt at expressing defiance and, no, I'm not sure it's simply a matter of lawfully yielding to pedestrians.

Further, if you are describing what I think you are describing, then it is ugly behavior, and it would be ugly regardless of the ethnicity of the person displaying it. Noticing ugly behavior and saying something about it does not make you a racist (though the spirit of the age might say different).

But assuming that this is all true, what we are observing is, *I think* at least in part, one of the long-term consequences of past racism. Oppression breeds resentment. People who have *been* oppressed may well have a tendency to push back when finally afforded the opportunity. Read Christian author Philip Yancey's various accounts of growing up in this area and the sort of treatment that blacks received in those years. (His book, WHAT'S SO AMAZING ABOUT GRACE? is a good example.) Where I work, a very dear Christian black lady in her late 70s shared with me her family's experiences in the Atlanta area through the 40s and 50s and later. *She* harbored no resentment at all, as gracious as she was, but her stories were heartbreaking and made me want to break some red necks (as *ungracious* as I am).

*Human* nature--not just *black* human nature--is such that there is a propensity to harbor resentments given such treatment, and it is not terribly surprising to me that it is passed on among generations for some time. Many who endured the worst are still around. Their children and grandchildren know the stories. Some people, like my friend, are gracious, rise above it, and move on (and teach us all moral lessons in the process). Then there are lesser persons who won't let it go. Some of those lesser persons have current positions of leadership, and they pull the race card at every opportunity. None of that helps, that's for sure.

But, as much as I hate it, some of the old redneck racism is still alive and well. Here's a very recent anecdote that I have already thought about sharing on here.

A few weeks ago I pulled into a local gas station here in N. Fayette (one of those on Hwy 92). As I was pumping gas, I noticed that on the other side of the pump was a horse trailer, pulled by a nice truck. In the back of the truck was a saddle. The owner, a white male with a military haircut, stepped around the pump and said, "Would you mind watching my saddle for a minute while I step inside to get a Coke? I don't trust the company here." I agreed to help.

I expected that "the company" would be, perhaps, some "gangsta" types. Instead, the *only* other person there was a black man, probably in his 30s, filling his late model Accord with gas and paying absolutely no attention to me, the man, or the man's saddle.
The way he was dressed--casual but presentable--he could have been anything from a financial consultant to a minister to a car salesman to an attorney on his way to the golf course. He looked like he was no more capable of stealing the saddle--or anything else, for that matter--than I was.

No, that's not quite right. One might have expected that *I* looked like the more likely suspect as a bearded, long-haired, sandaled hippy-type by appearance. (That's just a disguise. I'm to the right of you on most issues, I'll bet you.)

I was the correct color and so could be trusted. The "n-i-#-#-e-r" filling up his Accord, on the other hand, was a potential horse thief because "they're all that way."

Damn, I wish I would have stolen the saddle myself while this guy was getting his Coke.

Perhaps the person defiantly crossing in front of you had recently encountered horse man or someone of his ilk, and, like him, lacked the discernment to know that there are good and bad people of all races.
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"Every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
--Duane Allman


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 12:33pm.

how did "yield to the right-of-way/pedestrian" turn into all of this racist babble! I don't think walking across the parking lot has anything to do with race. Folks, calm down. Is anyone in such a hurry that letting someone walk across the lot is really this big of a deal?


Submitted by Gcat on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 11:48am.

I have noticed that often blacks park in handicapped spots, and they are in great shape. I'm sure that whites do this too. I've just noticed that blacks are doing this all the time around here. Most are not from Fayette.
I once was waiting for a 'new moms' spot only to have it taken by a black teen who was alone. Since it was a male, I doubt he was expecting.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 6:11pm.

She is entitled. You must give way. Her other ass at home may be a husband, but is probably a lay-around boy friend.

Woman can shop though, can't she?


Submitted by grendlemom on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 1:11pm.

were you hauling a** and it may have appeared to the lady that you were not going to give the pedestrian the right of way? I know this is more often the case, it appears as if the car is not going to stop, at which point even I will purposely walk slower just to make certain the driver gets the message the pedestrian has the right of way. I don't believe it is a race issue at all, it is probably a traffic law and/or manners issue.

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Submitted by christi on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 3:33pm.

I was not hauling a**. I had just let someone pass in front of her. I was almost at a complete stop. And you're right, it is DEFINITELY a manners issue.


Submitted by kshpr on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 12:57pm.

Happens all the time......

Submitted by ttownconcerned on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 4:35pm.

It's racism, plain and simple. It's the race card. And yes, it happens all the time in Fayette. You would think that African-American families moving to Fayette would want to assimilate into the community. Not change personality or heritage or preferences. Just fit it. But no. I get treated the same way in the supermarket.

Submitted by Hey on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 12:18am.

It is racism, and I have noticed the very same things for years and not only in Fayette County. They look at you like they hate you and they ALWAYS step out in front of the car and walk like the own the road. I know that pedestrians have the right-of -way, but this is ridiculous.

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Submitted by sam0917 on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 9:50am.

Okay folks, let's remember that most of the people you see in the Pavilion are not from Fayette. Walk through the parking lot and pay attention to the tags on the cars. Most of them are from the counties surrounding us and that is where most of the crime in Fayette is coming from. I know this first hand because I work in the court system in Fayette and I see most of the people that are arrested in the Pavilion are not from here. Let's also remember that not all of the black people in Fayette are that way. My husband is black and is a police officer here and he does not and never has acted that way towards anyone unless they've done it to him first and he refuses to allow our children to have that attitude as well. So, just be careful and remember they're not all from here and haven't been taught properly and are not all like that.


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Submitted by CarpeDieminPTC on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 10:30am.

Bigotry is most likely the word that better describes this. Bigots are everywhere. I'm a bigot. I don't like being around people that are different than me. I don't like criminals, wife beaters, drunks, and left wing wackos. Racism is where you believe one race is superior than another. I guess I'm a racist too, because I believe some races have qualities that are superior to other races. Whether its mathematics, arts, athletics, etc., all races have better and lesser qualities than others. Same for the Sexes. Some women can bench press 300 pounds, but as a rule, men are physically stronger, while women have other qualities generally that make them "superior" to men.

What I really think is the difficulty in this and other situations is something dealing with Culture. I care not if your skin reflects light differently than mine. I do care that you do not care that your children do not get a good education or place importance on family, on their country and their coummunity.

I want to hang around people that don't throw trash out on the street after leaving McDonalds. Who don't raise their voices and laugh everytime a cuss word is said at the movie theatre, all the while they are talking on their cell phones. Who want to come to Fayette and enjoy our lifestyle but copying what we do, not by changing everything here that has made us so popular.

There is a cultural difference between Fayette and Clayton. That Culture can often follow the races, but it doesn't have to. I know many that I've described above in both categories that reflect light differently.

So if you want and like the current Fayette Culture, then come, participate and enjoy. But if you want to bring Riverdale or Jonesboro or any other culture here, then please, please take it somewhere else.

The Culture of respect, of kindness, of courtesy, of family and country is more important than if you speak another language or reflect light differently. The culture of indiscriminate sex, of fatherless children, of drugs, alcohol, and victimization is not what we need nor want in Fayette.

Seize the Day in Peachtree City


Submitted by Sui generis on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 3:50pm.

It is also a term often used in the Navy as an expression of goodwill, however, it seems that the acerbity in your rhetoric is to the contrary. You start off your comments by stating that "I don't like being around people that are different than me (I can hear those words being stated with a Gov. Wallace-type patois)", then go on to state that "I care not if your skin reflects light differently than mine". Newsflash, you are contradicting yourself. I was waiting for you to state the proverbial "I'm not a racist, some of my best friends live in Clayton…" but at least you admitted to being both a bigot and racist up front which is more than I can say about others here in Fayette County. Oh you attempt to hide your true "racist" thoughts behind a thinly veiled statement like cultural differences, but the truth is, it's people like you that sets us, as a society, back 25 years. I too have no tolerance for people with no apparent redeeming qualities or what I call all purpose idiots, but I do not pigeon-hole an entire race for the actions of a few and I do realize that I do not live in a bubble.

Realize that some of the offensive cultural characteristics you state are that of teenagers (throwing trash, indiscriminate sex, drugs, alcohol, talking during a movie, alcohol, on cell phone, etc.). I believe the correct terminology is generational difference. I’d like to proffer some other offensive characteristics: how about golf cart jacking (see the “4 PTC kids arrested for golf cart theft” article on this website) or the myopic view of city planners when it came to expansion. How are you going to exclude them out of Fayette County?

To All - Instead of concerning yourselves about what county tags are on the vehicles in a public, open place like the Pavilion or God forbid parked at the Avenue, maybe you all should start a blog addressing the issue of why the highly vaulted Fayette County schools are not as top ranked as you may have come to believe. In case you do not know what I am referring to: Only One Fayette County Schools made the Top 1,000 Public High Schools in U.S. according to Newsweek Magazine (Congrats to Starrs Mill at # 868). If you’d like more info, go to the following website link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7723397/site/newsweek/. The state of Georgia had a total of 24 schools listed. Most of the other 23 Georgia schools listed were prevalent in the North Metro Atlanta areas like Atlanta, Marietta, DeKalb, Duluth, Alpharetta, and Chamblee and all but 5 were ranked higher that Fayette County.

Also, in the 2005 Edition of the Georgia Public Policy Foundation Report Card for Parents, Georgia’s Highest-Ranking Schools included only one Fayette County elementary (Peebles), one middle (Rising Starr), and two high (Starrs Mill & Fayette County) in the top 15.

I bring all of this up to say that I chose to live in Fayette County based on a myriad of factors with the school system being number one. I’m just flummoxed by this and other information I’ve see that goes against all I’ve ever heard about Fayette County Schools. Someone please elucidate me on this perplexing issue so we can seize the day.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 7:55am.

"the number of Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate tests taken by all students at a school in 2004 divided by the number of graduating seniors."

I ask, because I don't know. I realize it's ONE way to do it.

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 4:00am.

I saw that same report. I thought I remembered seeing McIntosh on there at something like #888.

But you are right. When we moved here nine years ago, the excellence of the Fayette schools was all that I heard.

Given the fact that Georgia schools in general have consistently been in a dead heat for last place, ranking high *within* the state is important.

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"Every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
--Duane Allman


Submitted by Miss Dixie on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 4:49pm.

Do you suppose that all the illegal students could have brought our schools down from what they once were? We have an opportunity to elect two new school board members this year. They us elect two that will get the job done and not just sit on their hands.

Submitted by DWP33 on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 7:21am.

illegal students have brought Fayette co schools down. Most Illegal students are black, go figure,just the facts.
Back to the pedestrians, what in the worlds were 4 black kids doing walking in front of apple b's and eckerds at 12:30 at night this past sat night, and why was the cop across the street not doing anything about it. Hey buddy ever heard of a curfew. Thats how kids get into trouble, walking around town at 1 in the morning. Fayette, once a great place to live.

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