"Good Germans" in Fayette county

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In my life, I’ve met three people who lived in Nazi Germany during World War II.

Freida, my neighbor, was the daughter of a burgermeister (mayor) of a town in Bavaria. Franz was a violin teacher who ended up working at a forced-labor camp, one step above a concentration camp. Otto was a one-legged former Wehrmacht sergeant who cut GIs’ hair at the Army base in Germany where I served.

All three of them had one thing in common: they considered themselves to be “Good Germans”. All three cheered Hitler’s rise to power in his early days. They willingly ceded their rights to the government because they thought it would make Germany “stronger”. And most importantly, they turned a blind eye to the excesses of the Nazi regime…they simply could not comprehend their government, the government that had made them feel proud of their country, as capable of any wrongdoing.

I’m reminded of the “Good German” mentality when I read the slavish devotion that many Fayette county bloggers here have towards George W. Bush these days. To a man (or woman), they seem incapable of recognizing… much less acknowledging…any excesses and/or wrongdoing of the Republican party.

Compromise a CIA network for political gain? Oh well, these things happen. Sending 130,000 or so troops to occupy a country that military experts said would take 380,000? Sure, we’ll just cross our fingers (and fire the folks who said we needed that many). Breaking two hundred plus years of tradition and not raise taxes to pay for a war? We’ll just wave our flags a little harder. Replace the scientific method with religious dogma? Christ, yes!

Some people have an intense craving to follow a leader. These willfully ignorant chose Adolf Hitler back then, they choose George W. Bush now. Both men wrapped themselves in their respective flags, exuded a virulent strain of nationalism that the masses mistook for patriotism. Hitler eventually led his country into ruin. Thankfully, There is still time to prevent Bush and his supporters from repeating history.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 6:34pm.

Your viewpoint is sick. So is your icon. Please remove it. You need another hobby.
meow


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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 6:44pm.

Nice rebuttal! You disagree with me, so my viewpoint is "sick".

With all that rhetorical firepower you possess, I imagine you must have been captain of the debate team at your home school!


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Submitted by Janetoutofthebox on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 9:26pm.

You tell them Basmati. It's up to people like us to stand up for those who do not have a voice. Bushie is ready for impeachment and we will be in power in 6 months. A cleansing will take place in Washington and the corruption will not go unpunished. Thanks man for being the advocate you are for the people. The rest of you warmongers and corporate elitist will face reality soon when we get the playing field leveled. Looks like it just might be Gore in 08.

*** Bush Lied - People Died ***


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 7:39pm.

When someone must resort to insults, personal attack, cliches, venom and nothing but destructive accusations they have nothing constructive to say, disregard them.

For one to condemn so strongly means one must have better answers to offer.

Basmati has offered none. He claims to know who and what is wrong. He offers no one or nothing that is right.

Disregard him unless he says something of substance. He gets a cheap thrill pushing buttons and making others mad.

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:31pm.

Agreed...

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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:03pm.

You've got it a tad askew, PTC Guy. YOU are the one who continually passes moral judgement between what is "right" and what is "wrong".

I merely point out the difference between "fact" and "fiction".

Surely you know what "fiction" is? Take your post the other day for example, the "Bush's 31%" approval rating post. You didn't like that "fact", so you urged people to disregard it, like all True Believers should. All well and good, but you then you had to add a comment "And as for the next Presidential election, in straw polls Democrats loose." (sic). Typographical errors aside, it was interesting to note that a New York Times nationwide poll this week had (gasp!) Hillary Clinton leading the pack, even beating media darling "maverick" John McCain. Gosh, whoever should we believe, your unsourced claim or the Times? (Side note: for the record, I would not vote for Hillary Clinton. So don't even climb onto your high horse about that!)

In any event, it's worth noting that you're beginning to acquire quite a history here of half-truths, opinions-masquerading-as-facts, and outright falsehoods. In other words, yer quite a boffo Republican!

Now go ahead and pass judgement on me again. I find your situational sanctimony quite amusing.


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Submitted by Get Real on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:14pm.

Who is your candidate Bassomatic? Name him/her? I think your candidate is standing behind Bush. If you had your way there is no doubt in my mind that you would have us silenced Why can't you deal with this fact? That the vast majority of the people here who voted for Bush now resent him for his sharp turn to the left on so many issues. You see...he is really becoming more like you every day. That scares us......should please you. So really what I see is you standing behind Bush saluting him. Who would you have us vote for?


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 7:11pm.

You want rhetoric? You got it.

First of all, you are an immature sadly deprived individual who probably votes Democrat because you are unable to care for yourself and your family and expects government to care for you. If you are a pilot in Stoneybrook, I apologize for being wrong.

Secondly, your choice of an icon (Hilter backing up George Bush) shows an incredible lack of knowledge and history. Hitler rose to power in the 1930's as a socialist (like Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry) in the aftermath of WW I which was lost by Germany. Bush rose to power by a free election in 2000 where he beat Socialist Al Gore and in 2004 when he beat Socialist John Kerry. Along the way he responded to 9/11 in a way that I can't image Gore, Kerry or any other Socialist doing.

I use Socialist a lot because I want you and everyone else to understand who Bush's opposition is and what they stand for, similar to your choice of an icon - Hitler.

9/11 with Gore or Kerry as President? Are you kidding me? What would our lives be like with either of these Socialists in charge?

meow


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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:11pm.

Hitler rose to power as a "socialist", used an opportunistic disaster (the Reichstag fire) to consolidate political power and morphed into a fascist.

Bush rose to power as a "compassionate conservative", used an opportunistic disaster (the WTC attack) to consolidate political power and morphed into something very close to a fascist. Call it "fascist lite", if you will.

You want to play "what if"? What if Gore had been selected President instead of Bush by the Supreme Court? Well, for one thing, the Terrorism action plan would not have been mothballed ("tabled pending review") by Dick Cheney in February 2001. And a policy-wonk like Gore would have definitely read the briefing "Bin Laden sure to attack within U.S." in August 2001.

And most likely, September 11, 2001 would have been just another day.

Thanks for asking!


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Submitted by Get Real on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 9:32pm.

Hey Hitler Boy. You are truly one sick puppy. How many times did they try to recount those votes before the Supreme Court said enough of this {{{Edited}}} Gore lost? You can say what if all you want but rest assured Osama hates your guts as much as he hates mine and there is nothing Sore Loser would have or could have done different. He could care less about which one of is the facist he wants us dead. Grow up dude!


Submitted by flip212 on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 6:56pm.

Who's your answer??? John Kerry, Ted Kennedy or Hillary Rodham? I bet you voted for Al Gore. Wow, you sure can be proud of your canidate pool!

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 7:15pm.

How about Abramoff, Schrenko, Limbaugh, Martha, Cunningham, Newt, any of the torture people, any of the oil execs, any of the Wall street billionaires, etc.?

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 10:53pm.

Facts should always override emotion in politics.

First, I agree that the picture of Bush giving the "Nazi salute" is unjust. Anyone of us, having a camera aimed at us for all of our waking hours, could raise our hand for a brief momment in time in just the right position for that same photo.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bush was really standing right in front of Hitler when that picture was taken, then he'd be about 120 years old right now. Wow! Obviously it was Photoshopped, and that isn't nice either.

Okay, icons aside, I agree that the Bush Administration is doing a horrible job of serving the general public. They did, afterall, fail to stop 911 after hundreds of calls, emails, and briefings. In fact, they specifically told all the intelligence agencies to stuff it.

Plus, they DID plan the Iraq war before January 20th, 2001. 911 was the perfect excuse to FOOL many of YOU into supporting a war against.....Iraq? What did Iraq have to do with 911? Nothing.

And now YOU....ALL OF YOU are having your phone calls monitored by the NSA, and that's just what we know about. What don't we know?

Finally, you mentioned Hillary Clinton. I wouldn't trust her anymore than I'd trust her less-than-honest "husband". She backed the Patriot Act (twice), voted FOR this illegal "war", voted for No Child Left Behind (that became law and then had the funding cut); she voted for the bankruptcy bill, and the tax cuts for the top 2% of income earners. Heck, she's Bush's dream. With friends like her, the Democrats don't need enemies.

And, trust me: If the Democrats regain control of the House and Senate, and even the presidency, you'll see the exact same crap. Durring half of Viet Nam's darkest days the Democrats promoted and encouraged that "war". If Hillary Clinton became president she would continue the "war" because it would make her contributors (global corporations) rich. She is not in control, and neither is Bush.

The Corporations control everything: The war, the Whitehouse, the Congress, the media....everything. THAT is fascism. And it's now.

But, hey, those corporations have been very successful. They have not only divided the country (liberals vs. conservatives), but have brainwashed everyone into voting against their own best interests. Pretty darn smart. While you guys argued over the last five years, you got ripped off (well, only if you are lower, middle, or upper middle class--those of you who own your own Gulfstreams, Italian sportscars, and own several homes are doing great--those of us in the middle class got robbed).

And what about those big oil corporations? They are soaking us now because they all merged, there's no competition, and no Republican (or Democrat) is ever going to honestly challenge that.

So what if Delta goes out of business. If you complain about it, then you must be against the oil companies. And if you are against the oil companies you must be against their supporters (the Republicans), and we're at war, so take it like a good American.

When Delta goes out of business because of fuel prices and those commie/socialist unions that won 40-hour workweeks, healthcare, and weekends for employees several decades ago, you should NOT complain, or that makes YOU a commie/socialist/traitor.

It's a good thing when Delta goes out of business. It's good when they ALL go out of business. The strongest survive. The weaklings die off. That's capitalism at its best, so when your company goes out of business, take it with a smile. It's good.

Hey, Whirlpool and Maytag merged too. 4500 jobs will be cut.

But that's good. It's progress. Don't complain. Don't act like a commie.

Only the strongest survive.


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