Solution sought to stop cut-through traffic in Planterra

Thu, 05/04/2006 - 4:18pm
By: John Munford

In a meeting with residents of the Planterra Ridge subdivision Wednesday night, Peachtree City officials committed to working on solutions to help alleviate cut-through traffic in the subdivision.

In two directions, westbound on Kelly and northbound on Planterra Way, the subdivision’s traffic has roughly doubled between August 2001 and February of this year, according to traffic counts performed by the city’s police and engineering departments.

No commitments were made to any given solution, but Mayor Harold Logsdon said use of a gate would be a last resort as far as he was concerned. City Manager Bernie McMullen said that the city attorney has said gates cannot be used to close off both entrances of the subdivision, but he would check and see if it could be acceptable for one gate to be used.

The problem with the gate concept is it would deny other city taxpayers the ability to use the streets, which are owned and maintained by the city, McMullen said. For the same reason, the current signs banning “no thru traffic” are also likely illegal, although the city does have the right to keep heavy trucks off the roads, McMullen added.

“We understand you have a problem,” Logsdon said to the group of about 40 homeowners. “We want to look at everything we can do to help.”

One staff member would be assigned to communicate with the subdivision about the issue, he added.

City Engineer David Borkowski said the city needs to look at traffic calming measures to help slow down traffic. That’s one of the main issues, said resident Rob Rothley: the safety of children who walk and ride their bikes on Planterra streets.

“It is very much a safety issue,” Rothley said. “We want our community back.”

Paul Van’t Hof noted that on much of the road, there is no cart path or sidewalks for children to use, forcing them onto the street when they want to go to the pool or to a friend’s house.

Planterra residents would be happy to fund the speed bumps, Rothley said, suggesting that temporary speed bumps could be installed and then taken up after motorists decide to avoid the subdivision because of the hassle.

“We could do some of the easy ones ... and we might find out we have solved the problem,” Logsdon said.

Manny Guerrero, president of the Planterra Homeowners Association, suggested that the intersection of Planterra Way could be made so vehicles on Planterra could only turn right. That would keep local residents from continuing straight to get to the Wal-Mart and Home Depot stores, and it would keep others from turning left to get in the westbound lanes of Ga. Highway 54 towards Coweta County.

In addition to cut-through traffic for customers of those stores, the subdivision has also seen a number of delivery trucks using Planterra Way and Terrane Ridge as a shortcut, residents said.

The city may also consider speed tables, which cause vehicles to rise off the road grade to a flat “table” area before descending again. They have been used with some success in other areas of the city, officials noted.

Another resident suggested using the shorter, more jarring speed bumps to force vehicles to slow down. Another more radical change suggested by residents would involve creating a cul-de-sac on Planterra Way near the southern tip of the tennis center, designed so emergency vehicles could traverse it to reach the area from Ga. Highway 54.

Planterra residents must also realize that any solution will cause them some hardship also, Guerrero said.

“We are going to have to suffer a little bit too,” he said.

Borkowski said the city could wait until a while after the Highway 54 widening is complete to judge if cut-through traffic is still a problem in Planterra. But Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett said council could still consider some quicker ways to handle the matter, such as lowering the speed limit to 25 mph.

Currently, the speed limit is 30 mph, and because of Georgia law, speeding tickets can’t be written until a given vehicle is clocked at 41 mph, said Capt. Terry Ernst of the Peachtree City Police Department.

Another traffic calming device, called a chicane, may also help, Borkowski said. Chicanes are basically s-curves in the road causing the motorist to slow down so they can negotiate the curve.

Some residents worried that the widening project for Ga. Highway 74 would also force cut-through traffic to use Planterra Ridge, but McMullen said he thinks such vehicles would use Kelly Drive and Huddleston Road as a more direct route.

Rothley said he hoped to arrive at a solution for the problem that had high impact, but “avoids becoming a political firestorm.”

“I think we’re all here on the same page,” said resident Eileen Shaw. “Let’s see what we can do to make it right.”

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Submitted by bmxer on Wed, 05/24/2006 - 11:49pm.

just to let you guys know...when i drive my golf cart around i drive on the raod even if there is a golfcart path next to it..its bad for the golfcart to hit bumps fast..cars can go around...so if you see a red golf cart with a bike or two on the sides of it wave cuase that'll most likely be me....

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 5:49pm.

You are an idiot, and you are breaking the law. Let me spell it out for you when I hit you.. I WILL STILL BE ALIVE AND THE LAW WILL BE ON MY SIDE. That means I can sue your estate for mental anguish and anything else my pony-tail lawyer comes up with. I WIN and no I won't feel guilty.

Submitted by bmxer on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 10:45pm.

Go for it hit me and sue me...thats what its all about

Submitted by did not know on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 7:07am.

when someone drives around the corner after working 8 hours and nails your stupid a77@@? there won't be anything left but a grease spot! and it will be your own fault for feeling the world has to look out for ...YOU...it don't work that way dummie!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 7:39am.

It is also against the law to drive you cart on the road with a path nearby.

Like people who insist on walking in the street when the sidewalk is right there. Then they get mad when you get mad because they are blocking the road or you come too close to them.

Get where you are suppose to be!

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Submitted by Sailon on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 8:39am.

As long as you and others keep responding to such crap (it doesn't happen, they make it up) this place will continue to be cluttered with simpletons. Ignore them.

Submitted by Don C on Sat, 05/06/2006 - 3:12pm.

This would create a wonderful precident for any neighborhood in Peachtree City to do the same things for essentially the same reasons. Many of us would like to stop the speeding on our streets where we live as well.

All residents would have to understand this can impact the response time from Police and Fire Departments...also the city could be exposed to suits for several reasons.

Your teenager is likely to damage your car....

Also remember that these humps can possibly bounce a child (not properly restrained) right off a golf cart....

Real Estate agents might avoid the streets involved because of shock abuse to their cars...this would cause sales and home values to drop in a neighborhood already seemingly having a large number of homes for sale. (Yes I have driven through there...many times)

Seriously though I think that the Plantera residents need to be respected but remain realistic that while there is a huge problem at 54 and 74 they are helping to relieve that. Traffic through their neighborhood acts as a relief valve...with fewer cars going through that already crowded intersection there is reduced chance for serious accidents to occur there. I understand the concerns of safety to the children but this was created with the subdivision...the only difference now is with greater traffic does come greater concerns for bikers, walkers etc...

Speeders should be prosecuted in all neighborhodds as best the Police can do. The law may need to be changed.

I just hope when my house goes up for sale something artificially happens to get hundreds of people additionally to drive by my house daily...as long as they be careful that's a GOOD thing.

Just my opinion I could be wrong.

Submitted by stillhere on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 6:27pm.

I use to live in Planterra and still have friends there. So I will come and go as I please. Don't blame the rest of the world because your kids don't have a front yard to play in. Or the fact you may have a crappy backyard. Keep them out of the streets. You have cart paths through out Planterra. Use them! The section of Terrane Ridge along the curve that many carts ride, get off the road and on the cart path that goes behind the houses. There is a cart path that goes from Kelly all the up to Pallette and yet another to the pool. Use them! But wait, they may not be as accessible as riding along the road. Funny how it is ok for you guys to take the easy way. Many times I have visited friends and carts riders are in the road along Terrane when the cart path is 5 feet over. How about using the paths you have and if need be, install sidewalks. By the way, unless things have changed, your property ends at the power lines just before the tennis center. So you have no business deciding what happens at Hwy 54 and Planterra Way. And you want to dictate which way people can turn that leave the tennis center and the restaurant there. Get a life….

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 7:38pm.

Laws says if there is a path then carts are illegal on the road.

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Submitted by roger turner on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 11:15am.

Maybe, after the new road is complete, the traffic theough Planterra Ridge will drop off a lot. As long as there is an entrance off Hwy 54, people will still use it as a shortcut when there is an accident or anything else slowing traffic. In my opinion, the best way to stop people cutting through Planterra, would be to close off the Hwy 54 entrance completely. This would immediatly help the Hwy 54 flow of traffic and the people in Planterra would be able to keep the "riff raff " from driving past their nice homes. That the mayor would even consider gates indicates that we voted the wrong man into office. He doesn't understand that even rich people have to share public roads. The problem at all the intersections is people blocking them when the lights change. The police "occasionally" enfoce this law and it helps for a few days. The people living in Planterra Ridge are among the worst at 1. Not using turn signals. 2. Forcing their way onto Hwy 54 and blocking other traffic while doing so. 3. Attempting to manuver their SUV's through this intersection while talking on their cell phones.How about if our new mayor just orders the police to chauffer the Planterra residents to and from their homes ?

Submitted by bladderq on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 10:17am.

I wonder how many Planterra residents go up Kelly, cross Hwy 74 & scoot down Hippocket? Or do make the turn north, find traffic backing up and go right down Willow Rd? I hope I haven't given them any ideas.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 1:33pm.

all the way through to the Parkway, then North as needed?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 7:23pm.

Might be a very good route, Dawg.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 8:19am.

I'm sorry, that's irresponsible and folks know it.

Submitted by brewsjam on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 8:01am.

I live on Planterra Way and I'm thrilled that the city is looking seriously at ways to reduce non-neighborhood residents from using the neighborhood as a cut through. We're hopeful that completion of construction on 54 will resolve most of the problems, but I suspect it won't because people are creatures of habit and if they've become accustomed to cutting through over the last few years, they're probably inclined to continue. I see it as a good citizen issue. If you're a good citizen, and you don't live in Planterra, you will have no excuse to drive through our neighborhood when 54 construction is done. The "I paid for those roads and therefore I'm entitled to them" argument is one we should expect from a teenager, not a grown adult. And no, this is not a commercial area. It is a family neighborhood. Many of us have children who play out front and teens who drive golf carts as impatient drivers race around them -- give us a break and take a few more minutes and use the arterials.

On a final note, I've only lived here a year and I was informed about the cut through issue and was told it would dissipate when construction was over. That said, I have no regrets about buying in this neighborhood; absolutely none. It's one of the best in the city and a great place to live despite the current commotion.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 10:40pm.

I doubt it will reduce any traffic. Slow it down, yes, but not reduce it.

The reasons they are cutting through are still there. Being they cannot get out of the shopping center on the left turn and/or cannot clear the intersections in a reasonable time.

In addition, those complaining about their golf carts on the road are also going to have to go over those animals. Not to mention they will have to drive over them and, brrrrr, their teenager drivers as well.

Add another Big Box or two and some more homes and it sure isn't going to keep them out.

The solution is not in what can be done to the road(s) in Planterra. People are really going to have to wake up to that reality.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 6:57pm.

Living there a year and being told the traffic problem would end is naive at best and negligent at worst. Your family will forever be in danger because the traffic will never end. And as you can tell from some of the posters here, the shortcutters will continue.

You need to list your house with a responsible real estate agent like mcdonoughdawg or sandysues's Martha - whoever that is. Then sell and get out. You may do ok and be able to move to a place in Sharpsburg with a nice fenced yard and a shortcut to --wait there isn't one there either. Maybe Newnan and you can get out thru ----no that won't work. Moreland has some nice subdivisions and no traffic yet.

Good luck.

meow


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 10:57am.

It will reduce it for a time but it will grow again as development continues.

As for 'responsible' adults not driving through, it is not childish.

Planterra residents contribute to the traffic congestion on 54. You do not own the road. Therefore, when the left turn out of the shopping is backed way up because there isn't any alternative way out, I am going to drive through Planterra.

I don't want to. I do not enjoy riding through Planterra. But I have every right to. Which does not make me a bad citizen.

On the golf cart path issue. That was just down right stupid to not have them. Or sidewalks.

Road coutesy is a must. Nutty drivers are nutty drivers there or elsewhere.

But tell me, who instructed teenagers on golf carts to drive down the middle of the road, piling traffic up behind them? I hope the police ticket them for obstructing traffic, which is against the law.

You guys try to go vigilanty and you will come out of the worst end of the stick. There are those who make it game with you.

Work to resolve this the right way on a larger scale than just focusing on your immediate road. Extra entry/exit to the shopping area and a by-pass to bleed away a lot of traffic from those intersections.

Also, a ton of the yards there have no real room for kids to play out front. Take away the city right of way, which should be about 5' inside of the curb and you really have small front lawns on a lot of homes.
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Submitted by SandySue on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 10:31pm.

Gosh, I am so glad our agent was considering our future when we moved to PTC in 2000. I feel for those of you who were not warned. Martha warned us what it was going to be like because of the future development of th big boxes. I am so thankful we listened to her! We were seriously considering Planterra. Thank you thank you Martha!
See there is a good part to this store, our family did not move into Planterra! So H.H.I guess you were mistaking when you said SandySue was Steve Brown. It must be the catnip or your spinning wheel making you dizzy again.

Submitted by dkinser on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 9:48pm.

First off I am not a law enforcement officer nor an attorney, but I believe that if I understand the O.C.G.A. 40-14-8 correctly, then Officer Ernst interpretation may indeed be incorrect. He states that in a residential area, such as Planterra Ridge, that they cannot cite a vehicle unless it is clocked at 41 mph. On non-residential roads a vehicle must be more than ten (10) mph over the posted speed limit before they may be cited. That limit appears to be waived by the statute for residential roads.

O.C.G.A. 40-14-8 states:
40-14-8.
(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.
(b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term 'historic district' means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.

Of note is section (b) which states that limitation shall not apply in properly posted residential areas.

So, Planterra HOA, ask Police Chief Murray if this is indeed the case, then have them post an officer with 500 foot of clear visibility shooting speed detection devices along your roads.

This will certainly deter the pass through and will most likely make many of your own homeowners irate, but you will have reduced the number of pass through cars significantly.

By getting the Peachtree City Police Department involved can reduce the costs and burden of traffic calming devices while raising revenue at the same time.

Just a thought and I could be completely wrong, but it is worth a call to the Chief's office to clarify.

Dana Kinser

Submitted by Ken Bas on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 8:29pm.

Planterra residents should look into getting permanent radar speed awareness signs. I have seen them in a sub-division in Marietta and the really work. I found the website www.radarsign.com.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 6:16pm.

And by the way, dump that funny-looking Rothley guy.

Let's just all try to be good neighbors and get along. Drive through my neighborhood when you have to (like after you visit the new Target) and I'll drive through your's when I have to - like often.

Sorry you picked a home in a commercial area, but don't make the rest of us suffer. They are our streets as well. By the way, why are the houses on the main road so close to the road? Was that done on purpose?

And I can live with 41 mph. Thanks for the info.


Submitted by frogger on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 12:10pm.

When are they going to widen planterra ridge to four lanes? It was a nice short-cut around 74/54 traffic, but it's starting to back up too.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 7:00pm.

meow


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