Crackdown on illegal students ahead?

Tue, 05/02/2006 - 4:02pm
By: John Thompson

After taking public criticism for illegal students from other counties attending Fayette County’s well-regarded school system, the county Board of Education is considering a tougher policy that would force offending parents to pay tuition.

During Monday night’s board meeting, Assistant Superintendent of Operations Sam Sweat pointed out a section of the proposed policy that would allow the board to collect tuition for the time the student is illegally enrolled in the system.

The section is a direct result of state Senate Bill 618, which toughens penalties for out-of-county students.

Additionally, the offending parent or guardian would also have to pay for any court costs or expenses in collecting the tuition.

“We’ve been trying to get help from officials for years, but this should really help us,” said Superintendent John DeCotis.

The policy also makes it clear that merely owning property in Fayette County does not fulfill the eligibility requirements for attending schools in the county.

“A resident is defined as an individual who is a full-time occupant of a dwelling located within Fayette County, and who, on any given school day, is likely to be at their stated address when not at work or school,” the policy reads.

Board member Lee Wright wondered about the clause in the new policy that allows students to qualify for enrollment under the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act.

“We’ve had to deal with that more this year because of Hurricane Katrina,” said Sweat.

Wright asked that the provisions be spelled out, so that no one tried to use that as a way to enroll in the system illegally.

Another provision of the old policy that would be stricken concerns rising seniors and seniors attending Fayette County schools. The old policy allowed those students who moved out of district to complete the school year if they were in commuting distance and a parental relationship was established.

The new policy will be voted on in June.

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Submitted by chippie on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 9:29am.

There is a Fayette county middle school that requires proof of residency at the beginning of each school year. You would not believe the complaints they hear from the parents because they have to send it in each August. I can only imagine how much those same parents would squeal having to provide proof TWICE a year - which I would personally welcome.

When an out-of-county student is verified by this school, it then takes the FCBOE MONTHS to document, and rarely is the student removed from the school. We're talking less than two dozen students have been booted this year. Although the faculty knows of many, many more who are not Fayette residents.

The trickle-down theory applies here. If the FCBOE and school administrators don't enforce and back-up school policies, residency issues, discipline issues, threats of violence and destruction to people and property, etc. there is not going to be improvement for the students in Fayette County schools.

Change is needed, but only if the new blood to the system has a backbone and uses it.


Submitted by ole sarge on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 8:10am.

This new effort will be like most FCBOE policies, all flash and little substance. Any policy is only as good as the enforcement applied. The new policy will languish on the books and be pointed to as an accomplishment as the system returns to the "status quo."

Submitted by did not know on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 8:25am.

We have been so apathetic that we have let people get on the board simply because ..NO ONE RAN AGAINST THEM.. who's fault is that? The person from our district got the post twice because they were the only ones running. One of the others husband is a partner in a development company. Now what do you think this person is gonna say when they want to put another zillion house development in that will overcrowd the schools?

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Submitted by Buckwheat Rules on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 11:59am.

OK - Now that we citizens of Fayette County shed enough light on how bad this issue really is along with the lack of follow-up action that was being taken by Mrs. Law and her boss on all the anonomus tips that were being phoned in, I'm glad to see that at least they're making an attempt to right the ship.

Just so this doesn't become an exercise of futility, kind of like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, how does the FCBOE plan on addressing the one-time-only residency check that it does at the begining of the school year? You bet your bottom dollar that those clever little scoundrels from Clayton County will attempt to "game" the system any way they can.


Submitted by Islewood on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:32pm.

It cost less to buy a few textbook, pay some teachers and share education and values with children, than to spend billions on bombs and bombers, deploy troops to kill and get killed, rebuild some other nation (or blow billions trying) and to also finance it with deficit interest to China.

And in the end all your going to do is to continue to scare the hell out or yourselves and a few folks who live elsewhere in the world. But, if you don’t like to try to do something both smart and noble, then you and your children will pay and pay and pay through the nose.

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Submitted by Get Real on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 8:11am.

Morning SoCalMama. Not being ugly but just trying to get a handle on the illegal student issue. If California is overun with illegal aliens then how do they verify their residency?

I talked to a principal a while back and asked him/her if it was a problem. He/she said that if the student is staying with a relative then an affadavit is required by the homeowner. His/her statment was that if the affadavit was signed that they had no way of knowing what the situation really was. I agree with him/her on that. I don't want the principals at the schools having to camp out at someones door as I don't think that should be their job although maybe it is. It seems the school board must be able to do this. I heard that the school system busts about 70 or 80 illegals students each year. I also see lots of out of county tags every morning and wonder where these folks really live.


Submitted by SoCalMama on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 8:31am.

Nice to see you!

All I know is that in San Diego Unified School District, students/parents were required to submit a proof of residency in the fall and in the spring of each school year.

Now what confuses me, is why, would the FCBOE only require a student/parent to submit one proof of residency upon entering the Fayette school system, then never ask for the proof of residency ever again? That is crazy!

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 6:44pm.

Welcome south, sister. We tolerate laziness and incompetence in business, government and our fast food workers. This has its root in trying so very hard not be racist, but that tolerance extends to everyone regardless of race, gender or national origin.

It takes about 3 years and then you will be just like the rest of us. Spelling and explaining words like "soda pop" and "contract" and "government" will become a daily part of your life and after 3 years you won't even notice you are doing it.

Call the school system HQ tomorrow and listen carefully how the receptionist says the words "Fayette County Department of Education" Priceless.

But onto the point of your question, same answer - we are lazy and more concerned with image and how we are perceived that we are about doing the right and legal thing. Makes us Democrats, don't you think?


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Submitted by Get Real on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 9:42am.

FCBOE requires proof of residency also. Perhaps it's only once a year. I'm not a 100% on this but I think that if you can't provide proof of property ownership then they only require you to submit the affadavit. It's just like the illegal Mexican issue. We don't need more laws we just need to enforce the ones we have. I don't know what the enforcement arm for the school system is.

Perhaps the county could let them use the Marshall's office to verify the affadavits and check out the out of county plates since they have so much time to do the Sheriffs job. I don't know...just thinking out loud. One the other hand the Marshall's Deparment can't even do their job right on enforcing the leash laws and sign ordinances. Guess that would require them to actually move and get out of their vehicle.


Submitted by SoCalMama on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 1:22pm.

Since my children have been enrolled in Fayette County schools, we have only had to provide a proof of residency ONCE and that was when I enrolled them! EVERY student should have to provide proof of Fayette County residency twice every school year. End of story, at least in my opinion.

Submitted by Islewood on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:24pm.

Good God, you folks are afraid of people. I guess I got bad news for you. The whole world is full of people and most of them are not like you.

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Submitted by Get Real on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:53pm.

You claim you are very, very old and have been around longer than Teddy Roosevelt. We're beginning to understand you more and we accept you considering all you've been through and your condition. Quick question buddy. Did you do lotsa, lotsa, lotsa drugs in the 60's. Just wondering? Your bloviating seems a little burnt around the edges.

No one here is afraid of people. News for you. We all live around people. They typically don't bite. The issue here is illegal students who are out of district. But you know that. Why don't you relax, assume your yoga position and go worship yourself.

I love the words of Winston Churchill that seem so appropriate here.

"IF YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL AT THE AGE OF 18 YOU HAVE NO HEART - IF YOU ARE NOT A CONSERVATIVE AT THE AGE OF 40 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN.


Submitted by Islewood on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 3:07pm.

Oh, such kind words from you, but you could save ‘em for someone that really needs them and just send some filthy lucre here---I’ll dispose of it for you. By the way, was Winston one of our founding fathers? And, I did like Teddy R, but the conservatives of the day were not fond of him.

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Submitted by WakeUp on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:45pm.

get what you pay for. Islewood, my taxes are paying for the illegal students. I don't know about you, but from where I stand, these students have broken the law on two counts; 1) they are not residents and 2) they are guilty of theft of services.

What are we teaching our kids? For one thing, they learn by example and this teaches that THEFT is OK if it is convenient. Lying is OK when "warranted" and picking the laws to follow is accepted as long as the actions benefit you.

Not afraid of people except if the liberals get control.


Submitted by Islewood on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:49pm.

More of your taxes are going to rebuild school and educate kids in other places than in your school district. And we keep blowing up other places and you will pay and pay even more.

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Submitted by Get Real on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 3:03pm.

Islewood. I suspected all along it was you. I used to laugh my tail off watching you and Cheech just get blown away together. It's not so funny now though. I see the destructive results of it. It's a shame all that stuff fried your brain like it did. And I thought it was because of your age. But that's Ok. We'll still laugh and chuckle at you when TBS plays your re-runs. Whoooa Man..That's Some Good {{{{Edited}}}}. Did I say that right?


Submitted by Islewood on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 3:11pm.

I know what you said must be funny because you told me it was. I think you only speak "right," maybe the whole place does?

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Submitted by Get Real on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 2:00pm.

Not trying to argue with you. The point I was making is that the illegal students are fudging the papers and no one is verifying the so called proof. Whether it's one, two, or three times a year it won't make a difference if verifications are not made. I'm with you all the way on this one. I'm just axing questions and pontificating so I can get a little edumication on the subject.

Perhaps we can put a bounty of em. Ha!

Respectfully,
The Cat...I mean the LION


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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:30am.

So the "new" policy is to collect tuition for students who are illegally and unethically attending Fayette County Schools? This is absurd. Our schools are designed with regard to current and projected county populations, specifically to support the population in each district for each school.
Collecting tuition merely reimburses the county school system for expenses incurred as a result of those who do not pay taxes in Fayette County sending their children to our schools.

This ignores one major problem we already have to contend with regarding our in-county, legitimate students: overcrowding. Collecting reimbursement in the form of tuition solves half the problem. It does nothing to address the actual, physical increase in student population. Frankly, I'd rather have smaller classes for my children than tuition reimbursements. Frankly, I'd rather not have to deal with this at all.

So instead of expending resources to locate illegal students only to collect a bill, the educated, common sense policy should be to expell these students AND collect back tuition as well as level a criminal charge against the parents with a significantly punitive fine.

Either we are going to take this situation seriously and take the necessary steps to address illegal students or we're going to passively do something weak and only partially effectual as this policy. I personally knew of students from other counties from when I was a student at Peachtree City Elementary in the early 80's through my time at McIntosh and now as a resident and parent in Peachtree City. Nothing has, in those 25+ years, addressed this issue in the serious manner it merits. This "new" policy doesn't either.


Submitted by mcg on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 7:06am.

The BOE is planning to expel students who are here illegally, in addition to charging the parents for tuition. They will also attempt to collect reimbursement for legal expenses. I don't know how effective this will be -- many of the parents will claim that they can't afford the tuition reimbursement, but I hope that the BOE will be able to get some restitution. The BOE will also have to be much better at following up on reports of out-of-county students than they have been in the past, if we are going to get rid of the students who are here illegally.

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Submitted by secret squirrel on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 9:07am.

Is this something the BOE has explicitly stated? I ask because SB 618 does not address expulsion. The most relevant passage of 618:

However, a local school system is authorized to charge nonresident students tuition or fees or a combination thereof; provided, however, that such charges to a student shall not exceed the average locally financed per student cost for the preceding year, excluding the local five mill share funds required pursuant to Code Section 20-2-164

Seems to me that this merely empowers each school system to contract with another to shift tuition money to cover illegal students. But the wording in the bill as well as the write-ups I've seen seem to take the angle that students will continue in those classes as long as tuition is paid.


Submitted by mcg on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 3:04pm.

According to the article in the Fayette section of Thursday's (today's) edition of the AJC: "Students found not to be living in the county will be withdrawn and their parents charged tuition for the time they attended school here. Officials could also seek legal action against the family." The article also states that this policy is expected to be adopted by the school board within 30 days. If this policy is indeed adopted by the school board, then it does seem to be explicitly stated.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 7:14am.

Getting rid of the illegals and keeping them out in the future is the most important thing. Tuition reimbursement is just something you threaten the parents of illegals with. Don't care if we collect a dime as long as the illegal parasites who bring down our test scores are gone.

Bobby's right. Funny they have gotten serious at election time. Good job to all those who helped shine a light on this issue. Wonder if Arlene Law will get her contract renewed.


Submitted by DWP33 on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 7:51am.

along with her boss. It took them 2 weeks to return a phone call.

Submitted by did not know on Fri, 05/05/2006 - 8:05am.

It is your own neigbors who are helping some of these kids get into school. I wonder how much help they would give, [or more likely, asked to be paided under the table], if they upped the fine from 2,000 to 10,000 for Fayette residence doing this.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:36pm.

Well, what a surprise. In June, the month before the July elections, the school board will vote on what to do about students illegally attending our schools. Timed perfectly. The illegal students and their parents will be on vacation and the headlines will enable the voters to reelect the incumbents because they are enforcing the law.

I'm voting against the incompetent incumbents who have ignored the illegal student problem for 4 years.

What about the rest of you?


Submitted by SoCalMama on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:49am.

I'm voting all incumbents O-U-T....they had their chance to fix this problem and have done nothing until election time.

Talk is cheap...give us results!

Submitted by DWP33 on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:36am.

All though it couldnt come any sooner, i'm glad they finally opened there eyes. Like I've said before, there is a student at my son's school who is from Rex Ga. Why is he still there?

Submitted by did not know on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:48pm.

Which ones?

Submitted by did not know on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:31pm.

With our school system becoming more burdened every year, this is good. Another thing people need to know is that if you are caught helping someone get into the school system by using your address or light bill or whatever, there is a fine of several thousand dollars. It is fair. I could move to Cowetta and live in a much nicer house and wiggle my kid into Fayette county schools. It wouldn't be right by the other people who live in Fayette county and pay the high taxes. To live somewhere else and sneak your kid in, is stealing. Stealing from the taxpapers, and their children.

Submitted by SoCalMama on Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:44am.

My kids attend Fayette Intermediate and Fayette Middle. One of the reasons we specifically chose Fayette County when we relocated here from California was the schools and the community. It makes me very angry that the FCBOE can't control the problem of illegal students in this county. In the schools in California, parents had to submit proof of residency twice a year. Since moving to Fayette County, we have only been asked to submit proof of residency once and that is when we enrolled the children in school! The number of cars from Clayton County in the drop off and pick up lines is outrageous!

Current FCBOE, your time has come and gone to do something about this problem. I'm of the opinion that it is time for new leadership and fresh ideas.

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