You wrote: “When I went to school there was something called Corporal Punishment. That meant if you stepped outside the boundries, there was a man (or woman) waiting in the wings with a whip to beat your butt.”

So why didn’t you turn out better?

You wrote: “Your (current) generation can't read or write.”

Actually more children can read and write than ever before. That is not the problem.

You wrote: “Your generation can't add or subtract.”

Actually more children can do math than ever before. That is not the problem.

You wrote: “Your generation respects nothing except self-gratification.”

Yup, the creed of greed and self centeredness is at the heart of American conservatism.

You wrote: “Your generation has to be trained by employers to function in the real world.”

That is not the problem. At one time education was a gift that would be used by people who livesd in a land of great opportunity. Now conservatives would have schools be factories to turn out children as interchangeable part to fit into the dream world of the American Chamber of Commerce.

You wrote: “Your generation has no idea where Washington DC is and has no concept of where Georgia is in relation with the rest of the country or the world.”

Actually kids know as much about distant places as they ever did. However, they have no idea who lives next door.

You wrote: “Your generation believes the individual is the problem and should be destroyed. Your generation believes in the group therapy concept.”

Your generation set up the vacuous Wal-Mart society and should not be surprised by what you go.

You wrote: “Your generation believes a great America is the problem. Your generation believes we should belong to a world order.”

Some of this generation understands that you have really screwed up the America that lived well within the world.

Ethnic diversification is not the problem. You not being able to celebrate the glorious ways the good people can be unique is the problem. This land was filled with all sorts of people from all sorts of places who had all sorts of interesting traditions. Most of us grew up in communities in which several languages were still spoken and all sorts of traditions were respected and celebrated. Our schools here are as good as they are anywhere, and that is in spite of No Child Left Behind.

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Islewood, you blame all on conservatives.

Shows how flawed your historical knowledge is. Who controlled the government for over 40 consecutive years? Good ole liberal Democrats!

Who thought that teaching diversity was more important than the three R's? Democrats!

Who thinks throwing money at everything fixes it? Democrats?

I am an Indendent. I have some big gripes about Repulican pro big businesses stance killing off small businesses and hurting workers.

But I sure am not going to rewrite history to make it sound like conservatives or Republicans have been the big powers over the last 60 or so years. They have not.

Ethnic division IS a big problem. Look at every country where the ethnic groups divide and do not merge into a single society. Nothing but disaster after disaster.

And you would have the US go there as well.

Yea. Liberals got the answers... on how to bury us deeper.

Sad part is the Republican answers, so far, have not been much better. And way too many of them are liberals now.

One world government is not blessing. Yes, I am going to say it because you love it so much. God divided the people at Babel because their one people thinking was a disaster. Prophecy so accurately describes this time, where the world becomes One World under the Anti-Christ and it becomes Hell on earth.

I know you appreciate a religous perspective on this on top of a historical correction.

Oh, yea. And touchy feely political correctness loaded with self-esteem over correction has really helped out a lot of kids. Not.

Later.

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You wrote: “Shows how flawed your historical knowledge is. Who controlled the government for over 40 consecutive years? Good ole liberal Democrats!”

Interesting idea, when were these great times that conservatives would like to return out nation to. And what were the times that the Democrats screwed up?

As for historical knowledge---do I like to read history? Sure. But I do not need to read history to know about the periods of my life that I have lived through. I was around long before you were and likely before your father was. What would be history for you to read was a very real part of my life.

You wrote: “Who thought that teaching diversity was more important than the three R's? Democrats!”

One experiences diversity, and I would suspect that I have live through periods of time that were far more diverse than anything you have. Any school worth much has long taught the 3Rs.

Your wrote: “Who thinks throwing money at everything fixes it? Democrats?”

On George W. Bush’s watch, more money has been run down the drain than in any time in our history. His father ran up a debt larger than the entire debt of the nation up until then (all the wars included). That is nothing compared to W’s.

You wrote: “I have some big gripes about Repulican pro big businesses stance killing off small businesses and hurting workers.”

Nothing new about that, however they have never been able to screw things up as bad as during this Bush’s time (forgetting the mid and late 1920s)

You wrote: “I am not going to rewrite history to make it sound like conservatives or Republicans have been the big powers over the last 60 or so years. They have not.”

They have not been in power very long at all---tell me about the great times when they have been.

You wrote: “Ethnic division IS a big problem. Look at every country where the ethnic groups divide and do not merge into a single society. Nothing but disaster after disaster.”

Up until very recent times, I have lived in a very ethnically diverse culture. We were all Americans but there were very interesting people with interesting ways and they still spoke in various languages (and some of the old folks never did learn very much English). One did not have to go to a foreign land to be treated to interesting ways.
We were a diverse people..

You wrote: “Yea. Liberals got the answers... on how to bury us deeper.”

Tell me when these times were.

You wrote: “One world government is not blessing. Yes, I am going to say it because you love it so much. God divided the people at Babel because their one people thinking was a disaster. Prophecy so accurately describes this time, where the world becomes One World under the Anti-Christ and it becomes Hell on earth.”

I have no idea where you get this crap. God has given us one planet earth to live on. If that scares the hell out of you, poor you. Up until very recent times, this great nation of ours was respected, even by our enemies. W took care of that---however the American people are still respected.

You word: “political correctness loaded with self-esteem over correction has really helped out a lot of kids. Not.”

Your words mean little in terms of how people have lived and gotten along in our culture. I grew up in a family in which my father was a Republican and my mother a Democrat. Of the two of them, I would feel bad if my dad could see what has happened to his political party, and my mother would feel the same way for him. They both believe in the Two Party System. My dad made money but did not believe in the creed of greed, he treated people fairly and expected to be treated the same way by others.

You throw terms around that have had little to do with this great land of ours. You do not sound very brave or confident. As FDR said in times much worse than these, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

But I do not need to read history to know about the periods of my life that I have lived through. I was around long before you were and likely before your father was. What would be history for you to read was a very real part of my life.

Really? Amazing? Are you over 100 years old?

Enlighten us, oh, ancient one. How old are you?

What makes you think I do not remember those 40 years the Dems were in constant control myself? (hint: I do).

One experiences diversity, and I would suspect that I have live through periods of time that were far more diverse than anything you have.

Really!! Diversity such as living near Chicago when the Black Panters formed and were killing whites? When being white meant you could end up dead for driving in Gary, IN? The Hippies throwing cocktails into a baby's bed during the Chicago Democratic convention and stapping razor blades to the ir shoes to fight cops?

Or how about experiencing German, Polish, Lithuanian and other ethnic communities? Or livng overseas?

Or, how about when a black family got there house burned down by the Klan and a whole town of whites rebuilt the home in anger over the incident.

You don't have a clue what I have experienced.

You wrote: “I am not going to rewrite history to make it sound like conservatives or Republicans have been the big powers over the last 60 or so years. They have not.”

They have not been in power very long at all---tell me about the great times when they have been.

Really!! Who controlled Congress up until into Clinton's terms? Democrats! Who controlled Congress under the first Bush, Reagen, Ford, Kennedy and such? Democrats!

I have no idea where you get this crap. God has given us one planet earth to live on.

I got it from the Bible. Books such as Genesis, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Joel, Revelation, Malachi and others.

But then again, you don't read that stuff do you? Does not appeal to you so just skip it.

You throw terms around that have had little to do with this great land of ours. You do not sound very brave or confident. As FDR said in times much worse than these, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

I don't fear any of this. But I am not a blind liberal who sees idealism over reality.

There is another old saying that liberal history rewriters, such as yourself, do not learn from:

'He who does not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.'

Islewood. So many people have told you that you do not talk sense or facts. They are right.

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You wrote:”Enlighten us, oh, ancient one. How old are you?”

I got grandkids older than you chaps. Now for a little history fun, when I was young I thought that the pope had to be named Pius and the president FDR.

As for your years ago, it was just yesterday.

I love Chicago, “my kind of town.” And I never ever remember a lynching. True, in South Chicago, where all me Irish relatives lived, we might have a small donnybrook if the Cubs beat the Sox---as we were wont to say, “our two favorite teams were the Sox and who ever the hell was playin’ the Cubs.”

As for the Democratic convention: “razor blades” you say. My God you skinheads live in a world of your own fright. You really believe all of this silly stuff?

Your wrote, “how about experiencing German, Polish, Lithuanian and other ethnic communities?” And you left out the French, and Mexican and Norwegians etc.; we had and still have ‘em all.” You might try the Milwaukee fests if you want three day make-believe.

As for the Klan, you might know more about that than I do. Years and years ago I did take infantry training at Ft. Jackson and only remember the back of the bus that some troopers had to move to when we got to Columbia.

You wrote, “You don't have a clue what I have experienced.”
Poor you, a lot of fear and suspicion.

Of course Democrats have controlled Congress much of the time. I will take those times over George W. Bush’s disaster and even some Republican times before the Neocons.

As for Reagan and Bush One, aside from big governement debt, I have little trouble with them, and Nixon did a good job with the economy (really good compared to the guy in the White House now.

As for what you get from the Bible, you best not blame God for your sorry view of the great eath and life He has given to us.

You wrote, “I don't fear any of this. But I am not a blind liberal who sees idealism over reality.”

You are an affright-cat and you lack idealism---you are really a poor excuse for a brave and confident American.

Your wrote, “So many people have told you that you do not talk sense or facts. They are right.”

You are not many people nor are the few nuts on this post. Most people never even come into a post room like this---silly us---you really do live in a land of your own words, oh my.

I would not want any of me younger grandkids to see your palpable fear. Get a grip on your fear.

PTC Guy and others who keep responding to Islewood's ramblings . . . ignore him and maybe he'll stop posting. You say he's full of it, yet you keep trying to refute him and argue with him. You will never change his mind, and he won't change yours. I'm getting seriously tired of this nonsense.

Agree his posts are rambling.

But, as one who has posted on forums for years, I can tell you two things:
1. He will not go away. Such love to have an unchallenged platform to post upon.
2. If he is not responded to, at least in a minimal way, others, especially younger and people unclear in their thinking and beliefs, will see the non-reponse as meaning he is right. That his arguments cannot be refuted, thus he gains influence.

Also, I don't keep trying to refute him. Note that after a some intial exchanges when he first came one, I do a response or two, on new topics, and then cease replying to him. Once my key points are made.

Yes, others pursue farther, but I do not.

As here, I am done, having made my points sufficiently.

Experience posters know not all posts are for the person you are replying to. Many are for the Lurkers.

As for you getting tired of it, don't read and don't respond. Ignore people whose posts you don't like reading. No one is forcing you.

Remember, you do not admin this site, nor is this site exclusively for you.

Have a good night and talk to you another day.

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PTC Guy--

I'm inclined to think that, at this point, this is simply good advice.

So, is this what you meant?

All mexicans have to learn English. If the mexicans cannot assimilate and learn our language, then move back to Mexico.

I could not agree more. This is AMERICA, and we speak and write ENGLISH. When in Rome, do as the Romans. We have to wake up and decide whether we will pander to the polically correct and provide spanish as a mandatory second language. If we don't watch it, we will be like Canada. Everything in Canada has to be in french and English. (french is lower case to show my disdain)

I have but a few soap boxes. The illegals and the constant barage of spanish is driving me nuts. Learn the language or get the [[SELF DELETED]] out! I don't even want my kids to learn spanish. They can learn German, Hebrew, Greek, Armenian or Russian. Anything else but SPANISH (or french - I don't like them a whole lot now anyway).

Let's assimilate anyone here legally when they know the language or are actively trying to learn it.

OK, I will take a deep breath and calm down now.

I agree totally. I built my home a couple of years back and when the workers left it was so nice to finally have the official language of my house English. Talks cheap though Yaught. We have to ask ourselves if we're willing to spread our own pine straw. I will.

First, your spanish is suspect. You don't appear to have learned it very well or are relying too much on internet translators.

Second, I guess it's a good thing the native residents of this land didn't force you to abide by the same policy you now advocate. Unless, of course, you're a native American.

Yes, my Spanish is suspect! Yes, I did rely on an internet translator. I was making a point. If the Mexicans want to come here and take advantage of the opportunities that the United States of America present to them then they should assimilate. The fact that I used an internet translator just shows that there are resources available to them to help.
If you went to live in Mexico, would you expect them to put everything in English so you could live there? Maybe YOU would, Secret Squirrel since you don’t seem to grasp the concept that when you move to a country you learn to speak the language, or you don’t complain if you choose not to.

I was looking for what you just posted last night. Well Done!!!!