if you will read the other blogs, I think you will see more folks tend to agree with these comments, than disagree. I visited your peopleparty.com, and you folks are really out there, but you are entitled to your opinions. Yes we are all human beings, we all inhabit this earth, however, some of us do things legally, others do it illegally.

Stop buying all that Chinese crap and open up your own business and produce something that I can buy so I won't have to go to the big corporations. If your for small business then shut up and buy from them and support them and stop taxing the fire out of em and litigating them out of business. The people party....sheesh.

Sounds good to me.

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Putting aside the fact that America is a melting pot of cultures to begin with. . .let's face it, we can't. Due to that meer fact America is already multi-lingual and multi-cultural there's no way to stop it. There's a reason anyone seeking citizenship absolutely must be able to speak english.

Lamm's second point doesn't even make sense. Has he even been to any schools recently? There's an entire week in most that does nothing but celebrate different cultures with customs and foods.

And while I understand the need to unite, I'm not about to give up my identity-which coincendently many believe they're culture to help define them. That same culture, wherever it's from, also helps to define America-however much you may hate to admit it.

The rest of his speech makes no sense either when you actually look at the laws governing this country-as in it ain't gonna happen.

Honestly, he just sounds like some kind of elitist with no sense of history to me.

1. Melting Pot is not multiculturalism. Mutually exclusive terms.
2. There is difference between a national culture that has sub-cultures and there being national cultures, plural. That distinction use to be understood.
3. Lamm's second point makes perfect sense. That multi-cultural nonsense in schools can be stopped.
4. Your identity is yours. That has nothing to do with the overall nation culture. It use to be that one who wished to be way outside of it could, but found it very difficult to operate within the main.
5. Different cultures do not define the main by being separate. They help define the main by contributing to it. Big difference.
5. Laws can be changed. And there are a bunch that need to be changed.
6. It is not elitism to want to get rid of the destructive multi-culturalism in the country. Any knowledge of multi-cultural nations shows it is destructive and does not work. It breeds conflict.

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Name for me a multicultural nation that is not divided within itself? Even at virtual civil war?

There are none.

Our historical strength was many becoming one. Even when divisive tensions were out there, that goal has been successful.

Now, we have such as you, wanting to promote multicultural divisions, instead of unity.

Lamm is right. In every point he made.

You are wrong.

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The division in Canada you speak of (between the English speaking majority) and the French speaking minority (primarily in Quebec), is not a threat to our national security. If you listen to Gilles Duceppe (the leader of the Bloc Quebecois, the "separatists"), the only reason Quebec cries for independence is because of an inflexible puppet government that seems to bow to the whims of it's oppresive neighbor every time they need something. It has nothing to do with conflicting cultural interests, but rather conflicting CLASS interests. It just so happens that the French in our country are a little more liberal and a little more demanding of just what a democracy ought to be.

And I suppose the the historical strength of America can been seen as many individuals coming together as one - to systematically and completely destroy the indigenous peoples of the land so that they could then occupy the territory as their own. Hear hear for individuals coming together as one!

I am of mixed race, so I have no allegiance to any one culture, any one way of life, any one way of seeing things. I do not wish to create something that does not exist - that's what Dick Lamm does when he riles people like you up - the fact of the matter is that there are numerous ethnic groups and peoples mixed in everywhere all over the world, and that's just the way it is. We can either choose to see the common problems that effect us all, or we can waste time blaming each other for our hardships while the MNC's who cause all of our problems, go on causing them at an exponentially increasing rate.

The choice rests with the people.

The division in Canada is because the minority refuses to intergrate with the majority.

In all counties where there are multiple languages, each with its own culture, there are always conflicts.

And that was true long before any international corporations existed.

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You wrote, “Even at virtual civil war?”

You mean it was never fought, just some computer game?

Ah, for a time when we did not need to promote multicultural divisions, we could just live within it and enjoy the various ways that mankind has come to celebrate life. ‘Taws eat drink and are merry for tomorrow we may die (to paraphrase a bit of Scripture).

In the hometown of my youth we still had several languages being spoken and various ethnic ways being celebrated by us all. The original Welsh founders still had a great quire that sang the old tunes in Welsh. The Germans had their German school where High German was taught (they went there before they came to our High School and got all of the high grades, and good heaven their native tongue had been only Plattdeutsch.) Even today, they still have their German school.

There was a Norwegian community just four miles to the North of town. Their Lutheran services were in Norwegian and they were great and fun people.

In my immediate town there were many Irish and just five miles to the South and East were two Irish communities. These Irish and the Irish of my town could even speak passable English. By then, we only knew some naughty words in Irish (and from our good German friends some in Plattdeutsch too).

Though we were all from different heritages, we were a united people who could appreciated our various roots. I don’t live their now, but it is still a great town and full of great people of various backgrounds.

I've traveled to all the states...I have never seen such a place...what are you smoking? If you are trying to make a point...you didn't

I guess you been too busy living your own nightmare. Such places are all over this great land of ours. But to find them, be not afraid.

There is as little town just down the road from here. In the last ten years it has become largely Mexican. The people are great. Very family oriented.

There are two Catholic parishes within the same church, and they share the a priest that is bilingual. The Anglos frequently go to the Spanish Mass---their quire is so beautiful.

However, some folks like the Mass in English. Probably like me, they would like to see the Mass back in Liturgical Latin. Some of the Mexicans would as well.

I rest my case!

Boston? New York maybe...I think you are full of it. Yes there are ...areas...where groups of the same people have settled but not in small areas away from large towns since the 1800s...Just name your fairy tale town! You can't!

The great town of my birth. My wife grew up in a town that was almost all German. Same kind of people as our Germans. Easy to see why she is such a great person.

As for Boston, I was stationed for a while outside of Boston when I was in the Army (the old Army). I remeber going down to a bar where the Irish Southies lived. The Irish can be so damn clanish, and though I was Irish Catholic, I did not fit in.

However, old South Chicago (my kind of town) was something else. Had relative there and loved going to be with them. As we could say together, our two favorite baseball teams were the Sox and who ever the hell was playing the Cubs.

But what is not being said is that they came here to integrate into American Society. And they did.

As did the Irish and the others.

Legally.

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That’s a good one. You wrote, “they came here to integrate into American Society. And they did.”

Oh, my heavens I wish you had been around to tell me old Irish kin why they came here. I can almost hear 'em from here:

“What in the good name of God are you’s talking about? Inte-what-in'? I did no such thing. I don’t do what I don’t know what in blazes you’re talking about me's doin' in the first place. We came because the damn potatoes died, and do you think we wanted eat grass like a damn simple, slow-minded cow? And don't you suppose the cows had died too? And what in the hell is this “American Society” stuff? You think we were the Astors or some grand thing? John Jacob Astor was dead before we's ever showed up, but now wasn’t it some kin of his who had had a fur tradin’ post over there on Whiskey Point? I don’t know if they were into that inteo-grateo-a-tion kind of thing of not. But those Astors could sure a afforded it if anyone could, don’t you know?”

The old folks sure never heard any of your kind of gobbledygook and I got to tell you, I never did either until very recent times. We might have heard about the American melting pot, but as an old black prof. from Cajun country liked to say, “I think in terms of jambalaya.” And, his words may not make any more sense to you than your words would to folks from back in more practical times. They were just too smart for BS. However, I did have an unc who could really improve on the truth.

It would have been interesting if you could have also spoken to the old folks about "role models," and "grief councilors," and "the free market." They would have said what a body could do with silly soundin’ crap.

What PTC guy is trying to tell you and you don't get, is this county was founded by people of different backgrounds. They put them aside, for the good of all, and united and made something for themselves and of themselves. They didn't all come over here expecting everyone here to change for them, to speak their language, etc. If you know history, they ...voted...to have a common language, English, Italian, German and Spanish were all put in the pot and ...VOTED..on..They wanted to unite for the common good. They were not stupid enough to think they could get ahead waiting for the world they came to, to adopt their customs to suit them. They didn't lose their identity, they knew who they were. Well I admit, as you said, yours didn't, but the world passes by things that don't change, so does evolution.

Forget it. I emailed an Irish cousine and told'em to take a look at this and he said I shouldn't be telling all the family secrets.

"our two favorite baseball teams were the Sox and who ever the hell was playing the Cubs."

Now *that's* good stuff.

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"Every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
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Hubby is a south sider and agrees that WHITE SOX kick. World Champs!!

Browing up I was a Sox fan.

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I've found myself in solid agreement with much of what you've posted.
But here's where we cross swords.

Baltimore fielded the top team in the late 60s and early 70s. Brooks (Hoover) Robinson and his "twin" Frank Robinson, Boog Powell, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNalley, Dave Johnson, Mark Belanger, Don Buford, Paul Blair, Elrod Hendricks....all under Earl Weaver's management.

The 1970 series pitted my two favorite teams against each other: the Orioles and the Reds. As much as I loved to see Johnny Bench send a screaming liner into left for a base hit, I loved it even more when my all-time favorite player, Brooks, made miraculous catches and brought them down.

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And as Irish Catholic as we be, we always suspected that the pope was a Cardinals fan---the red buggers. Oh well, is it best to forgive (even though we sure as hell ain’t about to forget)?

As for when people came to my town: the Welsh established the community c. 1860s. Our Germans came after WWII and a few before. They were German Lutherans. The Irish came from the 1880s to 1920s. I would guess that the Norwegians came in the early 1900s.

To the north of my town is an old German settlement that came in the mid 1850s---spoke High German and were Inspirationalists who left Germany earlier that our Germans (are great people too---as a young man I worked for them).

In a small city to the East of my town, the Germans were Catholic and came in the 1850s. When Bismarck threw the Jesuits out of Germany and the Catholics out of public office---they left and came here. Their German Catholic Church is very old, and in a stained-glass window high in the back is a tribute to Pius IX. They were commiserated with Pius IX because Garibaldi was giving him a bad time in Italy as Bismarck was giving the Catholic in Germany. By the way, that is in large part how we got “papal infallibility” stated in plainer terms. If the pope could not be infallible in his own Papal States, he sure to blazes was going to be in the next world. There is an interesting story about the Irish Catholics and German Catholics, but so be it … I now go to Mass there.

You might want to move to Europe...every area there about the size of a US state has declared itself a country. They all have their own languages and currencies, and once in awhile, because of their diversity, they try to kill each other. Hitler comes to mind...maybe you and he could sit around and swap a few ideas in plattdeutsch. You nitt witt!

We had interesting people right where I live, and we grew up not being afraid of others who had ways a bit different than our own. Not better or worse, just different and interesting.

Some of those Germans went and fought against Hitler's forces and a few never came home again.

But you would not need to be afraid of them---however it sounds like you might be afraid of folks that you think are too different. I guess you might think of my town as Walton's Mountain, on the square and with lots of beer and good sauerkraut and potatoes.

Since I was circumcised does that make me a victim. Any cash anywhere for my suffering? And a couple of you thought I was nuts??? Man...I knew I was a victim. Now I've got something to whine about too. Hmmm...funny...it doesn't make me feel any better.

My cat or the FREAK that wrote the garbage about circumcising little girls? I sure hope he doesn't get near my cat.

"Get Real" is defintely nuts, but that stupid looking shaved cat doesn't have any. I'm thinking that she's a she. I'll e-mail her directly about date time.

Now I'm going to have to get a restraing order against the Hamster for stalking and harassing my precious cat Sonny P. Just because he has a manly lion haircut doesn't make him some earring wearing girly cat. Someone take that varmit to the cat house and get him some relief.

what a long jump from 'destroying the vestiges of the American Dream' to . . . your comments!!! By golly, this is America, just marvel that you are allowed to think, say, and you can feel that way. Ain't we lucky. . .