Chief Murray should apologize to senior residents of Village Park

Tue, 04/11/2006 - 4:16pm
By: Letters to the ...

I was about to write a letter in answer to Police Chief James Murray’s casual dismissal of our problems in Village Park in John Munford’s article in the March 31 Citizen and before I could get started the April 5 Citizen arrived and there was this wonderful passionate letter from Stephen Allen who really summed things up far better than I could.

I am an 8-year resident of Village Park, was on the board for four years and like most of my neighbors do not anticipate moving anymore and I think I speak for most of my neighbors. We are of a certain age, as the saying goes.

With Chief Murray’s statement of “vandalism that comes and goes” and we being too “confrontational,” I now understand why our complaints were not acted upon. The interest was not there to do anything. It’s a good thing that the chief does not have an elective office.

Fifty years ago I lived in suburban southwestern Miami and we didn’t have any police protection so I and my neighbors took care of things ourselves. We didn’t have repeat incidents like we do now. Physically and legally we cannot do this anymore so we have to depend on our police to protect us.

I will now add to Mr. Allen’s list of incidents.

The only confrontational person that I know of was a man who stopped a bicyclist and was pushed to the ground for his trouble.

Another resident shouted at a group trespassing on his property and they came back later and did a number on his house with paint ball guns. Even after multiple house pressure washings you can see still stains.

The fire that Mr. Allen referred to was on the first house on entering our subdivision. At midnight two young men in a golf cart threw a Molotov cocktail at the corner of the house and then made their getaway.

We know this because a remarkable young lady, granddaughter of a resident, was just entering the subdivision and saw the whole thing. She called the fire department on her cell phone and then pounded on the front door until the resident, a woman, was roused out of a sound sleep and came to the door.

The damage was extensive. I don’t know the repair cost but even if you have insurance, it could cost $500 depending on your deductible. It was almost a year before the repair was finished.

At this point I would like to commend the Fire Department. Their quick action kept the damage down. Every time that they have been called to Village Park they come quickly and with lots of equipment and take care of the problem. It really sets a good example for other departments.

Another resident was fire-bombed in his back yard while tending to his barbecue. Scared him out a year’s growth. At our ages we cannot afford to lose a year.

Another resident had a big chunk of asphalt thrown through his back window so hard that it traveled 30 feet into the interior, barely missing his wife’s head. This pitch was good enough to do credit to a big league pitcher.

Then we have the misguided artist who used the back wall of a house to paint a six-foot penis with matching gonads. The owner painted the artwork over so the artist repainted the masterpiece. I believe that he was caught.

My next-door neighbor had windows in the rear of her house shattered twice by large rocks. Fearing for her safety, she had acrylic installed on all the windows and doors on the rear of her house. Cost: $2,000 to $3,000.

My own introduction to larger scale vandalism happened about six years ago. My property is very close to the path and at 4 a.m. I was awakened by blazing lights in my bedroom window. A golf car full of people came crashing through the underbrush leveling small trees and heading straight for the window where I was standing. I was stunned and half asleep and was rooted to the spot. Luckily the cart veered to the side and went between the houses. This is the stuff that causes heart attacks.

We don’t like the chief or anybody putting labels on us. All we want is protection and help in stopping the trespassers through our properties.

An apology by the chief is in order for the remarks and for neglecting Village Park.

We have been so focused on personal and property protection that for a number of years we pay to have an off-duty policeman to patrol Village Park on Halloween evening. This should not even be necessary.

I read with much regret that the proposed path on Peachtree Parkway in front of Village Park and extending to Harmony Village was scrapped.

We offered a proposal a couple of years ago and in it we suggested that a path should built along the parkway that would start at Braelinn Road, continue west to Crosstown Drive, go south to the tunnel and provide a better way to the shopping center.

The people from Harmony Village and Balmoral Village could use this and would not have to trespass through Village Park.

This new path would provide a solution to a good portion of our problems in Village Park and best of all would not be difficult to build. Mostly a straight shot, no trees to cut down, minimum root problems.

How about it, Mayor Logsdon, Mr. Rast, Mr. McMullen and Mr. Corbett?

Curtiss F. Ross
Village Park
Peachtree City, Ga.

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John Munford's picture
Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 9:01pm.

When I initially wrote the cart path construction story, I thought long and hard about whether or not to even touch the Village Park issue.

Yes, it was newsworthy. So I had to write something.

I could have written a guns-blazing article about race relations and possibly fan the flames of a few ill-intentioned people (young or old). Instead, I decided to briefly refer to a PART of the conversation in the context of which it occurred: about cart path improvements, and particularly the council's direction not to build the new path for Village Park.

I only touched on just a smidgeon of the police chief's comments. The chief talked on for about five minutes, mentioning among other things that he told the developer of Village Park that putting a senior subdivision in between the two apartment complexes was a bad idea.

The chief also said that even if he had an officer staking out Village Park all the time, police would have a hard time controlling the problem. He was apparently quite sensitive to the issue, as was Mayor Logsdon.

If you want the blow-by-blow of the discussion from the city retreat, wait until the City Council minutes come out. They'll be online at the city's web site, www.peachtree-city.org. Maybe when the minutes are ready I'll get an excerpt and put it here online.

Though I've apparently rankled a few folks, I stand by my story.

There is a bigger picture here though. Because of the way the juvenile justice system is structured, there's little way to find out what happens to kiddie hooligans after they're taken into custody.

That's about to change to a certain degree. I can't say more now but suffice it to say we'll get a little more data on some juvenile offenders including names in some cases.


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Submitted by H. Hamster on Thu, 04/13/2006 - 7:18pm.

You did indeed exhibit taste and restraint in your article, but next time it would certainly be appropriate to confirm Murray's warning to the developer not to build there (with the developer, of course) and then to publicize/scare/intimidate the hoodlums by telling them in the paper what Murray says will happen to them if they continue.

I guess I'm still stupid from being a former liberal, but at times I actually believe that getting the parents involved with the consequences of their children's actions could change their behavior and improve our little corner of the planet.

If, as a teenager I decided to throw a firebomb at a senior citizen - or anyone else, I would still be grounded 30 years later if I had not been beaten to death by either one of my parents. Let's look at the parents as the cause of the problem.


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 7:59am.

I think you are on to something little buddy. It is the parents who are at fault. Why can we not have an ordinace that commands parents to control their unruly teeagers? We command people to control their pets and their lawn for gosh sakes, or face a big fine.
In my neighborhood their is a group of boys 13-14yrs old. Their parents buy them fireworks and let them play with guns, while we are held hostage and have to listen to this. If we could create an ordinace to go after these parents one of two things would happen:

1 Fine the parents until they realize it would just be cheaper to be parents and discipline their kids

2 They would just move

Either way Peachtree City wins.

Submitted by dkinser on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 8:20am.

We had something.

It was known as corporal punishment. What was it the Bible said, "spare the rod, lose the child". Sounds fitting of today's children.

They have no respect for adults, peers, or even themselves. Teachers have little control over the trouble makers that disrupt the learning environment for those that want to learn. Principles have to deal with parents that don't recognize that their precious little child actually can do wrong, and instead go to the Board of Education to complain about the teacher, principal, or anybody besides themselves.

I'm not advocating "beating" children, but when all else fails, a good spanking can be a great deterrent. But now some child psychologist is going to go into a rant over how that demeans the child so I'll have to read all about that.

Anyway, I do know that when children were taught discipline and respect, our society had far less problems.

Dana Kinser

Submitted by SandySue on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 12:43am.

Mr. Ross,
I hate to hear about these type of thugs taking advantage. I have had experience with these folks you speak of also. Stolen identity.
Our police force know who it is however they are waiting for more information, so my guess is they will not arrest even though they know darn well who it was, they ordered merchandise and had it delivered to their house with a stolen credit card. da... what more do you need? In my case I canceled the credit card that took care of it, however in your case it is not that easy.
One neighborhood I lived in in Henry county we hired a security patrol to patrol though the evening. It was a small fee we paid from our home owners assiciation. I know you feel the local police should take care of it. However, you need to do what you need to do, personally I can not put a price on peace of mind, so if it were me I would hire a security patrol. Or another option is get a dog, most of the thugs are afraid of dogs.
Good luck!

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 04/11/2006 - 7:19pm.

Better yet he needs to do something. If even half of what you say is true a resourse officer and stakeouts are a bare minimum. These scum vandals need to be taken off our streets and soon.

The new cart path idea is complicated, but should be pursued with safety and security in mind. Who thought it was a good idea to build subsidized housing next to a retirement community anyway?
meow


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/11/2006 - 10:06pm.

Can you say VIGILANCE COMMITTEE!!!!!!

First of all folks you need to meet fire with fire. A molotove cocktail is a deadly weapon and needs to be returned with same. There is not a jury in the land that would convict a law abiding citizen of a crime, when they are defending themselves against a bunch of local brats with lethal weapons. In accordance with GA state law and Federal law you have the right to defend yourself when you fear for your life. Peachtree City ordinance be d#$%^.(happy Cal?) When your life is threatened defend it.

These local thugs are the most despicable form of low life scum. Our community needs to be rid of them one way or another.

Yes, it can work if we work together. (do you honestly think the police like chasing down our worthless kids???really do you???!!!) Accidents happen to everyone..... even criminals.!!!!

Jim the cat is right you need to apologize

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Submitted by Joey Jamokes on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 7:30am.

Hope you meant Vigilance and not Vigilante on the Harmony Village thing, skyspy.

You're right though. People will start to stand up. Even though crime is going down nationally, more and more states are adopting the NRA "Stand your ground" law. I don't know what that means for Harmony Village--- a napalm flyover ???? They jury is still out on Jim Murray. Usually he's right so I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hey, and congratulations for getting your "word selection" in line with the Editorial board.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 11:10am.

Vigilance is what I said and what I meant. If they work together and take down golfcart numbers and turn them in, these kids can be caught and brought to justice. They have to watch out for each other,if they see a thug vandalize their neighbors property help your neighbor out call the police.(even if you don't like that person) It's time for a new topic I have been "hating on" these horrible parents and their thug kids for two weeks.

Submitted by thenatural on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 7:07am.

This kind of inflamatory rhetoric is irresponsible.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 04/12/2006 - 7:20pm.

The Village Park problem is real and it is simply a preview of things to come for other neighborhoods in Peachtree City ---unless we take charge of our city. The Chief is a good person who will do the right thing, but he (like all of us) needs support and encouragement. This is not easy, but let's get on with it!

And that would be: security cameras at every entry point, taking photos of everyone walking through the community, volunteer nightime patrols (I, for one, would love that stuff - sort of like hunting VC) and most of all pressure on the police to do stakeouts.

If you want to get imaginative - set up a sting like the police do for child predators, except this would be cops posing as old people and cuffing them in the act of throwing the fire bomb.
meow


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Submitted by Michael Boylan on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 8:39am.

Do we honestly think that Village Park is being fire-bombed on a nightly basis? I'm sure it happened once and certainly once is enough, but before we hunt down teens like VC (!), maybe we should take a step back and realize that PTC isn't the 8 Mile or Compton and as much as some would like to generalize about the people who live in Harmony and Balmoral Village, lots of people who live there are law-abiding citizens of all ages, colors and creeds.
I think I end up saying this a lot, but take a chill pill.


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Submitted by H. Hamster on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 7:31pm.

Obviously not everyone who lives in a particular neighborhood or housing project is a firebomber, but the ones that show up in someone else's neighborhood with a firebomb in their hands clearly are.

Most of the VC I killed had a bomb or some other weapon in their hand and sadly almost all were teenagers. So what. If teenagers or any other age person is committing a crime - have them do the time or take whatever other punishment is available. That includes a senior citizen protecting his property with the use of deadly force - read the new law. Then go get your own weapon or two like I did.

You look young enough to volunteer - do it! Go to Irag. Come back. Rewrite your posting.


Submitted by snark on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 10:08pm.

What is this new law people keep referring to?

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 04/15/2006 - 5:55am.

The Georgia State Legislature had a couple of bright spots during their 40-day slumber party. One of which was enacting a new law that made it legal to use deadly force to defend yourself (and possibly your property - I'm not sure) if you feel your life is in danger. This means you no longer have to worry about shooting an intruder - as long as you can state and prove you felt your life was in danger. Probably shooting to kill is the best policy so the perp can't offer an opposing point of view, After all if he has broken into your house, he is probably guilty of something. Capital punishment and cleansing of the gene pool accomplished in one easy step.


Submitted by snark on Sat, 04/15/2006 - 7:25am.

Thank you for reponse.

I thought that was the law already (if you say you thought your life was in danger). Lucky I didn't have to use it, obviously.

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Submitted by Get Real on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 8:02pm.

Hamster, Sir. Thank you for serving our country. I tip my hat to you and your service. You are a true hero. Not like they try to make some kid who gets to sing on TV one.

"Don't pee on my foot and try to tell me it's raining"


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 8:52am.

Unless you can buy a golf cart with food stamps I don't think that fire bomb was thrown by the Harmony Villiage kids. I guess they could have stolen a golf cart, but I bet it was thrown by the kids from one of our"good neighborhoods". You know the ones with the parents that have their heads in the sand and, think that their kids can do no wrong. The ones that repeatdly tell the police that "this is the first time he has ever been in trouble"(that's a good one) or"he is a good student". I think we do need to hunt down the bad kids. Use pepper spray on them and call the police

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