Story misstates plight of Village Park seniors

Tue, 04/04/2006 - 4:28pm
By: The Citizen

Your article of “PTC getting busy with cart path repaving” in the Friday, March 31, 2006, edition of The Peachtree Citizen contains a misleading moral equivalency statement about the Village Park elderly victims of criminal activity which is terribly wrong and victimizes the victims again.
Specifically, your statement, “Police Chief James Murray said there was a vandalism problem that ‘comes and goes’ at Village Park. He added that residents there, who are mostly white, may have been a little too confrontational when dealing with cut-through pedestrians, most of whom were minority youths who live in the nearby Harmony Village and Balmoral Village apartment complexes” was highly misleading concerning the realty of the Village Park elderly victims plight.
You did not report the entire discussion concerning this issue, which occurred during the PTC retreat meeting. Instead, you merely took one statement, out of context, by James Murray for your article. I was in attendance at the PTC retreat meeting when this discussion occurred.
First of all, Police Chief James Murray stated that the Village Park community is comprised of “elderly white residents.” In fact, it was stated that some of the Village Park elderly residents have to use motorized wheel chairs to get around. This is the Village Park demographic.
The “minority youths” are the ones instigating this trouble in the first place. They are breaking the law by trespassing on the elderly white residents’ property.
The elderly white residents have every right to confront these trespassers and tell them not to trespass on their property. The elderly white residents are in their homes, minding their own business, not instigating anything, unless you consider it wrong for these residents to be in their homes in the first place.
When confronted by the elderly white residents about trespassing across their property, did the minority youths become confrontational to the elderly white residents? Do you know all the facts?
What happened to the elderly white residents after they confronted these minority youth trespassers about not trespassing across their property?
Their houses and properties were vandalized and attacked at night with spray paint, a brick was thrown through a window, a Molotov cocktail was thrown on a house, etc.
This was discussed during this PTC retreat meeting that you chose not to report on. Why didn’t you report this to accurately detail the plight of these elderly residents? How much did it cost the elderly resident’s to repair the damage done to their property because of the vandalism? What if one of these residents was hit and seriously injured by a brick that was thrown through their window and/or the shattered glass of the broken window?
In addition to property destruction this criminal act would be assault and battery on the elderly resident. Do you know what a Molotov cocktail is? It is a crude flammable grenade that is meant to set fire to and, burn down whatever it is thrown at; in this case a house with people living in it. If the house had caught on fire and burned down with people in it, in addition to arson, this criminal act would be manslaughter/murder.
These criminal acts of vandalism define the type people who perpetrate them; these are individuals who prey on the elderly and are dangerous to the community as a whole. How would you like living in an environment like this, especially if you were an elderly person? How would you like to try and go to sleep at night knowing that your house and property may be vandalized, bricks may be thrown through your windows, a Molotov cocktail might be thrown at your house and have it catch on fire?
You would be under intense stress from worrying about if you are going to be attacked, as well as worrying about the cost you would have to bear to repair the damage from these attacks. This stress would have a very negative affect on your life and I don’t think you would sleep very well if at all.
This criminal activity is very hateful and needs to be stopped. These criminals need to be arrested so these elderly residents can be protected and live in peace. In addition, these criminals need to be sued for the damages that they have done and, for the pain and suffering that they caused to these elderly victims. This hateful criminal activity needs to aggressively condemned by the media.
Mayor Logdson, during this discussion at the PTC retreat meeting, stated that during the election campaign he had met with some of these elderly residents of Village Park who were frightened and angry because of these attacks. Wouldn’t most people feel the same way if they were being victimized like this?
The elderly residents wanted to know what would be done to protect them from these criminal attacks and trespassing. Since this topic was considered very important and would require a much greater in-depth analysis and resolution recommendations, the PTC council agreed that this issue of how to protect the elderly residents of Village Park from these criminal attacks and trespassing would be discussed at a future meeting.
Your out of context statement framing that the victims “may have been a little too confrontational” implies that the victims are somehow responsible for their being victims in the first place, which is very wrong. These criminals are 100 percent responsible for victimizing these elderly people, period.
Finally, these criminal attacks have all the appearances of a hate crime against these elderly residents and you should be unequivocally condemning these criminals and defending these victims instead of framing the victims’ plight as the victims themselves being somehow responsible for it.
I believe these elderly victims deserve an apology from you for not reporting the complete PTC retreat meeting discussion on this issue which would have accurately described their plight. These elderly victims deserve our help and support.
Stephen Allen
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Tue, 04/04/2006 - 7:27pm.

Mr. Allen, I am happy you are here. Those skits with Louie Nye, Don Knotts and Tom Poston were some of the best TV ever! You are a comedic legend. But when it comes to real estate - apparently not.

Check out the neighborhood first before you buy. The thugs at Harmony Village and whatever its previous name was were actually there with their single "minority" parent to use your word -- long before you. You asked for it when you moved in there.

The chief of police warned the previous mayor or maybe the one previous to him that this would happen before they okayed the zoning for "Harmony Village" Listen to these people! They are professionals.

A gated community is the only solution to your problem.

But seriously, the police should escalate their patrols in your neighborhood and others like it because the predator teenagers are easy to catch and usually guilty of something else when caught, so jail time for them is actually possible.


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/04/2006 - 8:54pm.

We all have to get involved in stopping the crime. If we all actually would file charges with the police everytime our property was damaged, we could hold the parents as well as the kids responsble for their horrible behavior. For expample one parent in our neighborhood actually tells people that this ( the current incident of the week) is "this is the first time he has ever been in trouble" ah yeah, you mean in the last half hour??? oh come on!! Start to read those tag numbers and turn them in. If you don't recognise the kids go to the police station and look at the year books or go to myspace.com where they usually brag about what they are doing. They brag there because they know that their parents are too stupid to look into, or care about what they are up to.

Submitted by edwards on Tue, 04/04/2006 - 9:35pm.

I have complained to police about the many comments on MYSPACE by these teenagers and how there parents like to party with them, and supply the alcohol. The police say that the teens deny making the comments. It is pretty bad when that is all the teens have to do is say "I did'nt do it". The police act as though anybody could have made the comments, but you must have a user name and password to access the site.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 04/05/2006 - 7:19pm.

Mr. Allen, your letter is sincere and it is obvious that neither you or your neighbors need to deal with this scum that unfortunately lives near you.
3 step program
----put out Neighborhood watch signs and actually be part of neighborhood watch.
---- put up video cameras on poles and tape the predators coming through your community.
----- get an off-duty police officer to do a stake-out. Yes, you or the homeowners association has to pay them, but so what? Do it!

After the first 3 or 4 arrests, word will get around and the thugs will go to Evian or Morallion Hills instead.

This has worked in other communities.


Submitted by Joe Swanson on Wed, 04/05/2006 - 7:46pm.

Robert Morgan-Lenox's Neighborhood Watch solution was infantile. The best way to have stopped this was in the first place; have that type of housing in a more appropriate place and not adjacent to retirees. PTC was deceived by Lenox, Fred Brown and the earlier council who promised it would be condominiums when in fact it ended up as Section 8 apartments. Just part of that "controlled growth" that Bob says Tyrone lacks. Go figure...Betcha Tyrone wants no part of your Harmony Village/Big Boxes/54&74 "planning".

Submitted by Joe Swanson on Wed, 04/05/2006 - 7:45pm.

Robert Morgan-Lenox's Neighborhood Watch solution was infantile. The best way to have stopped this was in the first place; have that type of housing in a more appropriate place and not adjacent to retirees. PTC was deceived by Lenox, Fred Brown and the earlier council who promised it would be condominiums when in fact it ended up as Section 8 apartments. Just part of that "controlled growth" that Bob says Tyrone lacks. Go figure...Betcha Tyrone wants no part of your Harmony Village/Big Boxes/54&74 "planning".

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 04/06/2006 - 6:06am.

Got your point - twice. Maybe I should add the preamble "Since we obviously can't tear down Harmony Village and start over ..." Then keep reading. As far as a more appropriate place - how about the indutrial park? We could fence them in, have guard towers and searchlights. Like that Joe?

Yes, it would better if that project had not been built, but it was, by Alex Thompson - currently, condo king of Fayetteville, who slipped it past Steve Black at PCDC. This when either Brown (Fred) or Lenox was mayor, but the city's zoning did not make any distinction between rental property and condo, so all they did is approve a site plan for what they thought were condos. It was up to PCDC to put a use restriction in the deed of conveyance which they usually did with similar properties. Thompson took advantage of Black who was asleep at the switch or so busy negotiating the sewer deal to notice what was going on.


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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 04/10/2006 - 4:28am.

Good point as well. You used to be able to rely upon the developer when they were under the thumb of Equitable, but when they broke out they showed their true colors - green for the money.

I do believe something like Harmony Village could not happen again since the City seems to be monitoring use of property as well as size, color and everything else. My question is has the law actually been changed so the city can legally prevent another Harmony from coming in or would be vulnerable to a legal challange by some hot-shot lawyer.
meow


Submitted by Joe Swanson on Mon, 04/10/2006 - 8:09am.

"You used to be able to rely upon the developer"... Whoa, Mudcat, you are quite the kidder !

Bobby and Fred didn't make the developer do what the developer promised because they were too tight with the developer. Brown ended up taking a job with the developer after he left City Hall.

No--- you can't rely on the developer. All you can rely on is good planning and the ability to say "NO", like the County Commission does. Logsdon is a problem too extending the sewer to anybody who wants it. Watch for the apartments to come in and watch for a repeat of the Bobby and Fred Show.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 04/11/2006 - 7:27pm.

Yes Steve Brown is back using one of his old names - Joe Swanson. Does anybody get the significance of that name? Let's see who gets it - think literature.

Anyway, his rant is right there above for all to see. Recognize the stupidity?

And, to his point, I agree. You can not and should not rely upon any developer anymore - those days are long gone.
meow


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/06/2006 - 7:50am.

Why can't we just tear it down??? We could run them out of town and put in a nice park. Why can't we put a big fence around it??? Why can we not as a community protect our senior citizens??? This should be our responsibility "as a morally upright christian community" The problem is most people here talk a good game but, when it comes to living it, we fall hopelessly short.

I have to say I was surprised and appalled when I read about what is going on in that neighborhood. Finally someone who has a worse neighborhood than me. I thought I would never see the day.

I think there are some very realistic steps that we could take to help stop some of the crime.

security guards are a good one and actually would not have to be as expensive as you might think. There are plenty of off duty deputy sheriffs from other counties and our own that would love to make extra money. it would be ideal if there were any ex-new york city cops we could find for the job(they have a special way of communicating with young law breakers)

in this county if you are caught speeding more than five times the judge makes you put a sticker on your car stating that you are a repeat offender to embarrass you....very effective why can we not do that to the parents here, when there brata$$ satanic kid is involved in crime more than twice...make those parents put a sticker on their car and a sign in front of their homes so that everyone in the neighborhood can be warned about them.

When you see kids picking on a senior citizen don't just drive by help them. It is not just Harmony and Balmmoral thugs that are causing problems. The brata$$ worthless [[[[[[[EDITED}}}}}}}}bag scum and their scum parents are white(white worthless trash, but white) in my
neighborhood. Which by the way, Harold happens to be one subdivision away from you, and two subdivisions away from Jim. Something for you two boys to think about. There is one very important lesson I have learned in business managment "it is not a problem, until it is a problem for you and them it is a BIG problem" If the problem continues in our neighborhood I will start posting maps on my fence so the little satanic worthless waste of the clean air the rest of us need to breath brats... can find their way to your homes.!! I will explain to them how funny you think their criminal antics are. Have a nice crime free day.

Skyspy, watch your language or you will be booted from the site.

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Submitted by H. Hamster on Thu, 04/06/2006 - 6:58pm.

Hidden in the middle of whatever that was you wrote, was a very good idea.

That being hiring off-duty or retired police offcers to patrol both neighborhoods. Who pays is an issue, but to me it is very simple ---

Seniors in Village Park want protection, so they pay.

Harmony Village (my God, what a name!) hoodlums are the real problem, so of course they pay. Oh, wait - they can't because they don't have jobs. Well, maybe their parents, well no, that won't work since the parents don't think this is their fault that they raised a hoodlum. The landlord who rents to these people? Maybe, but he'll say, it is not his fault. Ok, let's move on.

The city? Yes, let's get them involved. $120,000 from the city from taxpayers per year is a drop in the bucket for private security. After all it is OPM. You could probably get $500 per house out of the seniors and that would make it about $180,000 - assuming they don't complain about being taxed twice. Spend it and protect the seniors.

And Harold living nearby? Irrelevant I think, but maybe he'll see the wisdom of containing the problem.


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 04/08/2006 - 7:56am.

I don't live near Harmony Villiage either, but I do live about 4 doors down from Harold.(via the cart path) The point I was trying to make is the kids in our neighborhood may be white but they still are satanic waste of clean air brats. I like your idea of bird shot, now all I need is drop piece and I will be ready to defend my property.(yeah I know a drop piece is illeagal too, effective but illegal)

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