How could I have been so naive as to think that maybe my opinion could be correct. You certainly must be the correct one here.

Besides, I love paying my taxes for others to use them. Why not open up all Fayette County recreational resources to Clayton County residents? After all, they are a part of our state community whether they pay taxes for the use of the facility or not.

Again, you have missed another point that was made earlier. Peachtree City could still put a buffer along the two cities boundaries so that the cart path does not tie into Tyrone. Simple enough.

But I have expressed another opinion, which surely must be wrong. Why didn't you run for office since you have all the answers, or is it that you just have all the problems and no solutions. Hmmmm....

Dana Kinser

I did not say that your opinion was completely incorrect. And you are right PTC could put up a buffer...or better yet... a wall, with gates and a secret password that only PTC residents use. That will show all those tacky undesirables from Tyrone and the county.
That response is as silly as your reference to letting Clayton County residents use our facilities. I never said that, nor would I advocate such a position. I think that many people bristle at the suggestion that, because you live in PTC you have all the answers and whatever is good for you, is good for everybody else. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. This is all about money, developer greed, and an attitude from some (certainly not the majority) of PTC residents that they are the "cultural compass" of this community. Mr. Logsdon can fill the air with all the "smoke and rhetoric" he wishes. But from all he has said and done in the last 90 days his intent is clear...annex...annex..annex..that is the only way PTC and pay for everything now that the developer cash cow is dead.

And as you will recall, Mr. Logsdon ran on a pro-annexation platform.

70% of the voters supported him. Welcome to the minority.

Dana Kinser

Actually you got the percentages wrong. The reality is that it was 30% for Brown, 30% Logsdon and 40% for ABB (Anybody But Brown).
I am hard pressed to think that the majority of the people in PTC are in favor of wholesale annexations without any consideration to the consequences.

Actually I got the percentages very right. It is you making the assumptions on what or who people voted for. I know in my ballot box in the runoff there were two choices and not one for anyone but Brown.

Hard pressed or not, they voted for Mayor Logsdon and he was very candid about his stance on this property. Why you suddenly seemed surprised about this means you apprently did not pay good enough attention to the candidates and their respective positions.

Now this dialogue between us has grown old. You offer no suggestions, but many complaints. I suggest you either provide constuctive input, or save the rest of us the reading time.

As for your name "The Natural" I have come to the conclusion that you are a natural pessimist that only sees negative in anything anyone else does. Get out and lead for a change.

Dana Kinser

Ok ok, so I made light of the election results. The percentages of the election results are what they are. If you choose not to acknowledge that a measurable percentage of Harold's vote total was anti - Brown that is certainly your choice. We disagree and that is the end of that.

I am very much aware of Mr. Logsdon's attitude toward annexation.
He and I had face to face discussions about it on more than one occasion. What suprises me is the speed with which he has pursued his agenda.

I guess since I did not preface my comments by "I suggest" you were unable discern that I was presenting solutions to this problem.
In my view there is nothing wrong with adopting, at least currently, the "do nothing scenario" in regards to the property. Why does it have to be developed now? Would it not be better for the development to take place at some point after sufficient improvements have been made to HWY 74 to handle the traffic before the land is developed?

What sparked our original exchange was my reaction to your assertion that only PTC had the best solution for this property. I simply suggest that having it developed under the county land use plan (which would result in lower density, less traffic etc.) or even annexed by Tyrone would be two alternatives. I also suggested that there was no compelling need to develop it now...except for the "thar's gold in them thar hills" urgency that seems to so involve this area. Since you do not know me at all you are being very judgemental in your assertion that I am pessimistic or not a leader. I guess that is your reaction to my implying that you were naive to the motives of the parties involved. Obviously you are not.

If you have read any of my other comments here you would see that I am an advocate for lower density, less development and full accountablity by ALL public officials to their constituents.

Insofar as saving you reading time....you did not have to read this at all..oops....guess you did.

Dana,

Good for you! Thank you for putting TN in her/his place. We can only hope that they will take your advice for constructive input. They are a big supporter for Commissioner Dunn, another pessimist. I guess "birds of a feather flock together".

FR

FR...where you been? Missed you.

You can see my response to Dana. I have been put in my place?
Gee...I feel so humbled...you and Dana both ganging up on me.
How can I withstand this onslaught?

If you are going to engage in these kinds of debates you have to have thick skin and a sense of humor. I have plenty of both.

Why do you always bring Dunn into our discussions? You are so pre-occupied with him you should be worried. You you have trouble seeing any side of any issue other than against him. Amazing. Try just once to look at an issue with an open mind.

As to his being a pessimist, on those infrequent occasions when I have had the opportunity to observe him, I have seen none of this pessimistic attitude you talk about. Have you ever seen him or talked to him or met him? Or do you let others dictate your opinions and attitudes and you just right about them here?

We agree Major. Mr. Logsdon has taken no time in complying with the will of those developers who put him in office. If area in question stays outside of PTC it would likely be developed under the county land use plan...2 acre lots on septic and only when it is profitable to do so...that could be years. Why the rush to develop? Harold's support base is calling in their markers.

Harold would like people to believe that PTC would provide services, but that is simply not true. If a PTC resident has a heart attack at the Publix on 54 the county would respond first. If the victim waits for PTC EMS to respond they will be shaking hands with St. Peter before they show up.

The same scenario would play out on this land if things remain as they are (and should remain). Mr. Logsdon is either blowing smoke or smoking something if he thinks anyone believes this shakey rationale.

One minor issue that you may have overlooked is that smaller city to our north, Tyrone; has been growing too. They have eyeballed that property too, and if Peachtree City doesn't annex it then there is a high likelyhood that Tyrone may.

Not speaking for Mr. Logsdon, but that may be what he was implying when he said that land would be developed.

By Peachtree City annexing the land, the alternate extension of MacDuff Parkway can then be implemented and a bridge built over the railroad tracks.

Should the property be developed in the county, it is very likely that Peachtree City's EMS would indeed be the first responders in the majority of cases. Between the Leach Road and Crabapple Lane Fire Stations, they could always respond before the County trucks from Tyrone could even cross the railroad tracks.

As for the assertion that you would be meeting St. Peter, both EMS services have an excellent response time. That is one fact that neither the City nor the County have disputed.

Dana Kinser

Dana,

So what if Tyrone annexes it and develops it down the road? Mr. Logsdon and CO. want it to happen now? Why now? The implication is that Tyrone or the county would not develop this land in a way that the citizens of PTC feel is befitting an area that butts up against their city limits. Why do the people in Peachtree City believe that they are the final arbiters of what is good and right for the county? Is there some unwritten rule somewhere that entitles PTC to that privilege? Gee I must have missed it.

Secondly, your statement regarding EMS response is thoughtful but dead wrong (no pun intended). Are you aware that Peachtree City has no mutual agreement with the county to automatically respond in the situation and locations I described ? They will not venture outside the city limits unless specifically requested to do so by the county (or Tyrone for that matter) and only if the county resources are in use elsewhere. All the other municipalities in the county have an mutual aid agreement that says whoever is closest responds first. But not PTC...they have to be asked. When seconds could count in a life and death situation, it is sad that PTC chooses not to protect the lives of all our citizens equally because they do not want to spend the extra money that MAY be spent to respond to such a situation.

Natural,

I think what you missed this time was your original comment stated the property would likely be developed in the county with the 2 acre lot size. My point is that is likely not the case. If PTC controls that property's development, they can still require buffer zones between Tyrone and PTC. Otherwise, your going to have Tyrone residents shooting down our golf cart trails while paying nothing to maintain.

But I agree with Mr. Logsdon's comments that the property to the north will in fact develop. With the rash of developments going on in Tyrone, who doesn't have the sewer capacity to support the growth; I would rather have PTC control that area.

As for the mutual response, I agree that seconds can mean life and death. But is it the cities fault that the county has kept its public safety sector short staffed and such long distances apart? Should the city consistently send it's resources out when in fact they may be needed in the city? Who would respond to the cities needs?

There is no perfect solution to this short of massive amounts of manpower and equipment which would escalate our taxes even more.

Dana Kinser

Extend the sewer here, annex over there. Logsdon in office 3 months. I am so excited to see what happens after the 3 year mark. 70 / 30 is this really what PTC wanted? Oh hold on, it is too late, we got it. No turning back now. Experience Experience who needs it?

First, why all the dirt? Isn't grass supposed to be planted? Does the code gal ever make a run other than by complaint? Second, If the construction plans aren't being followed why are we allowing it? Group Vl has resold and resold this place a dozen times and is now sitting on it for inflation. Developers strike again!

Probably just an error in the article. Doesn't make any sense otherwise.

The comments about Wynnmeade are right. It is coming back. Houses are being bought and fixed up. The area is looking better. Probably not a better long term investment than houses in that subdivision. Especially the homes with the lake lots.

Hmmm...if I were a senior, I would rather live closer to Wynnmead than to you. You have a lot of audacity to cast the whole of the subdivision as "the hood". It's people with your "better than you" attitude that make me want to leave. I have to say that Peachtree City a worse place to live with people like you living here. No, I do not live in Wynnmead, but I know people that do --- and they are very nice people. Rather than disparage the people living there why don't you do something constructive and find out who the negligent landlords are?!! Lawdawga

I’m really let down by how many narrow minded people live around here. You’re so busy being stuck up and better than everyone else that you forget about the needs of everyone else around you. Hard as it is to believe, the world does not revolve around any of us. We must learn to share.

First off, All Smiles and the like, whether or not you would choose to live near Wynnmeade is really a moot point. The fact of the matter is, some of us DO live there. We do not want an extension to Hwy 74 - we NEED it. It would not impact you or any of the other MacDuff Parkway haters in any manner. In fact, it could only serve to help, as I’m sure you would use it as a cut-through when necessary.

Secondly, I have lived in the Chadsworth subdivision for two years now. I have not had ANY complaints with the residents of Wynnmeade. They don’t bother anyone. They come and go just like we do. Their neighborhood has not impacted the value of my house at all. In fact, in the short two years I have been there, I have already gained over $50,000 in equity. It is an absolute absurdity that you think our seniors would be in danger by living in that area. I am thoroughly insulted that you feel that way.

So, please, all of you that do not live on the west side, please keep your comments to yourself. The annexation of this land does not affect you. The houses are already there, and families already live in them. Please allow us to have an alternate route out of our neighborhoods!

Please notice that when I post a a response I have the courage to use my real name rather than hide my bigotry and character weakness behind a pseudonym.
I have lived in Wynnmeade for over 32 years and as such, I can say for a certainty that the problems people trumpet about my neighborhood are 99% pure prejudice, bigotry and arrogance on the part of people who do not now nor ever have lived here. My last check with our police Chief Murray disclosed there were around 12 neighborhoods with a higher crime rate than Wynnmeade. We've had problems with rentals due entirely to profiteering landlords - some of whom are your neighbors - who do nothing to screen their tennants so long as they can hand the rental bill to the taxpayers. We have an active Homeowners Association that is quite aggressive at dealing with neighborhood problems and has had much success. If many people in this town lived where they could truly afford to live rather than being literally house poor, there would be standing room only in Wynnmeade. If we had ever felt unsafe or threatened, we would have moved years ago. The fact is, I don't. My home is paid for and as as result, we can live in exactly the same area, walk the same cart paths etc. for a fraction of the monthly cost as many of my Centennial or Cedarcroft neighbors.

I was and am aware of where I chose to live. I happen to be one of those that according to you, made a POOR investment when I purchased in Centennial.

For the record, my house's value has increased over 38% in just over 3 years. What has yours increased? The houses are starting in the low to mid 300's and many are being built that sell in the 600's. The townhomes are selling for the mid-upper 200's and higher.

As for leveling Wynnmeade, don't kid yourself, developers are already buying up more and more property in the area. Wynn's Pond is a very pretty lake/pond and the lot sizes are fairly large. This will likely be an area where in-fill will begin in the near future.

And unless you live in this area and are impacted by the dead end of MacDuff Parkway, I suggest you keep your vote to yourself. While Wynnmeade has and still does have some legal issues, their HOA has been working very hard to change that. With the help of City Council members, they have had ordinances put into place to help improve the quality of life in that section.

Dana Kinser

And again, how many years has Wynnmead been there with their problems??? You really don't know because you recently moved here. Oh yes, my property value has also increased, probally more than yours as to it's location, as I too have live in PTC, as I have for 30 years. Talk about kidding yourself and living on fantasy island, you need to look for a boat and get off of that island. Wynnmead has been a big problem ever since I moved here in 1976. The City Council members knew it then and they know it now. Do you really think things are going to change that much. (I hope you have an engine on that boat).
As far as keeping my vote to myself, no way!!!! Why in the world would I want to make Wynnmead more accessible to my home and family? I am sorry you live over there, but I will not keep my mouth shut just to help you out!

I have been here for 32 years. Wynnemeade did not start out like it is today. It has declined over the years. However, the people that have lived there for years are attempting to clean up the neighborhood.

I did buy in Centennial. I knew Wynnemeade was there. My house has increased in value substantially over the past year inspite of being down the road from a lower income neighborhood.

If someone from Wynnemeade wanted to get to your neighborhood, they would have already done so.

All Smiles you are an IGNORANT human being.

Far from ignorant! Many people that have been in PTC for along time, myself included who grew up here (moved here in 1976 as I was 12 years old) feel this way. Just ask around.....find someone who has live in Peachtree City for 20 years or more and I think you will find yourself surprised. I guess we will all be ignorant.

Well Smiley, I have to agree with you. Arrogance, bigotry, and pure old fashioned prejudice knows no boundaries in this town. ..starting with you.
People looked down their noses at Wynnmeade even when the homes were new simply because they cost less than those on the other side of highway 74. This lower cost ($10K) was due to not having the cost of neighborhood swimming pools and tennis courts factored into the house price. Based on actual sales on my street in the past two years, my home has still appreciated about 4 times over what I paid for it. I could have moved years ago, but I really don't care to pay good money to live next door to someone like yourself.

Just so you know I am white, with a white husband and two white children. We do not own or brandish weapons. We actually make over 100K per year. Are you scared of me? I live in Wynnemeade. There isn't anything wrong with Wynnemeade. Occasionally, just like in the "superior class'" neighborhoods we get a bad seed. I am so sorry that you can't see past the end of your nose. And, it is so true about profiteering landlords, or should I say slumlords having a hand in how some properties appear. Maybe a look in the mirror regarding morals and quality of life would be at hand in their cases. Wonder which church they attend? Wonder where they live? Oh, but yourself and them are so much better than us.....

Hey All smiles,

Just wait till Weiland is allowed to annex and build his low income tract housing. Then we'll see how much the property values go up on the west end. Those people are dreaming. Apparently those people in Cenntenial haven't been shopping at the Walmart at 10:00 pm. That's a real treat.

Wow, don't know about anyone else, but I have never heard of John Wieland Homes ever being associated with a low income tract housing project. That is unless you consider houses that sell for over $250,000.00 low income housing candidate homes.

As for your comment on shopping at Walmart at 10:00pm, unless your the one out there mugging people, I haven't seen any reports of crime emanating from Walmart. In fact, I am more afraid of visiting the Avenues that late due to the reckless teens than I am of visiting Walmart.

But that's right, let's give the teens a teen center then they won't have to hang out at the Avenue's. Yeah, right.

Dana Kinser

Centennial residents would sell their soul to the devil for direct access to Hwy 74.

Well then, I guess you don't know that he does build homes from the low 60's. Those homes are on on less than 1/4 acre, with a zero lot line, being called "affordable housing". By the way, if John Weiland Homes are so great, then why isn't Centennial sold out yet? Weiland already knew what the zoneing was when he purchased the land he wants to annex. He has already contested the zoneing with the county and lost. If he wants to build homes on 2 acres as zoned then great. I'm all for that. Weiland is like a child who got the answer he didn't want from one parent, so now he is running to the other.

When Centennial and McDuff are finished, the West Village will be very desirable. We're close to everything, have TWENTY year warrantees on our homes, and have the most social neighborhood in PTC. Check it out. There are kids and families everywhere playing and socializing together anytime the temperature tops 50. We celebrate every holiday and often get hundreds of attendees to our neighborhood parties.

The "mess" you're talking about at Wal-Mart, I assume, is the large amount of Hispanics. They don't cause any trouble. Granted, they might be the ones throwing the trash on the ground. I don't know. Someone is doing it on the cartpath.

I think the problem of litter IS, in fact, coming fron Wynemede. I've witnessed people throwing their trash out of beatup golfcarts as they come and go from that neighborhood. Not cool.

Wynemede has Section Eight housing, and that's never a good thing for anyone, including the people who rent them. It's a handout and doesn't encourage self-reliance. The Welfare system is broken, and parts of Wynemede are a perfect example.

That said, Wynemede owners are in a good position. They houses are valued very low right now, but once the entire West Village is complete, most of the people renting the Section Eight housing will move on to other construction projects in Georgia, and Wynemede will see a revival.

The residents of Wynemede need to find a way to crack down on their trashy neighbors. There's no excuse for a yard full of weeds and trash other than alcohol, drugs, or just plain laziness.

You have to have vision. The West Village will look great in a few years.

Weiland hasn't sold out because he's only allowed to sell a certain number of houses at a time. Also, the real estate boom is over. You didn't notice? But the new houses are still selling quickly. And they are a great value.

Let the senior citizens come. Senior citizens are always an asset to any community. They vote, keep their yards clean, drive safely, and bake great cookies. Plus, they won't impact the schools but will pay taxes, another plus.

But for God's sake, build the roads first this time before any houses go in. When you go to parts of Florida you'll see four and six lane highways in the middle of nowhere and wonder why. It's simple: Some people plan AHEAD instead of waiting until there is a traffic mess. Personally, I'd like PTC to say "Not one more house until the traffic mess is cleaned up."

Wishful thinking.

But for God's sake, build the roads first this time before any houses go in. When you go to parts of Florida you'll see four and six lane highways in the middle of nowhere and wonder why. It's simple: Some people plan AHEAD instead of waiting until there is a traffic mess. Personally, I'd like PTC to say "Not one more house until the traffic mess is cleaned up.

Man, that would be the day! PTC City Council actually putting the comfort of their residents before making a buck or two!

And you show me where in PTC or Fayette Co in general (or the entire ATL metro area), he could buy land and build homes like these and not lose a fortune. Pretty simple, it can't be done.