I don't get all of this "thank you" stuff every time there is a robbery or something!

Is this done by members as a publicity affair?

I don't recall ever seeing such asking for thanks from any other organization!
Isn't it understood that we all appreciate each other who do their work?

How bout them dawgs? Soldiers, jailers, street cleaners, bankers, developers, other concealed gun toters, road crews, city hall, electrical linemen, gas linemen, water linemen, etc.?

public servants don't see a lot of kudos and when there is a success story, it doesn't do any harm for some to just say "Thanks" or "Good Job". To my knowledge, they don't solicit comments, they just come from appreciative citizens. I don't know anyone who doesn't like to be told they're doing a good job every now and then--it's a human need thing doncha know!

There are about 25 million "public servants" (whatever that means) in the USA!
If you mean just law officers need KUDOS (whatever that is), so be it!

My thinking is that "servants" probably means "tax paid."
Kudos used to be literary acclaim by peers. I'm not sure about shooting!
Our military are told that a job is "well done."

Do you know your an idiot, or has it not dawned on you yet?

Not dawned on me yet!

The taxpayers will that is. And you know I'd be ok with that if once this scum recovered and was put in prison he had to work in some fashion to pay back the debt. The old Atlanta City jail on Key road had a working farm and they grew their own food. But now you can't make a prisoner work. He has to volunteer to do a job such as picking up trash. I say make him work a productive job and pay him minimum wage. Then credit his wages back to the debt of earning his keep and paying back any medical bills incurred by his capture. And that would include any bills incurred by the police officers if injured. And when released if he still owes the state garish his wages until the bill is re-payed. Yes, I know that most of this debt would still go uncollected but whatever is recovered would ease the burden on the taxpayers.

If this robber doesn't have health insurance the hospital will write it off and charge someone who does have insurance their part of his bill! Same for the doctors! That is called socialism!

Who should pay the robber’s hospital bill?

This is a serious question.

Possibly, it should be the robber. We can fairly assume he has no money. Why else would he rob? So let’s think about this.

Should it be the federal taxpayers?

Should it be the state taxpayers?

Should it be the Fayette county taxpayers?

Should it be the city of Fayetteville’s taxpayers? (After all, they collect sales tax from having stores in their city.)

Should it be the cop who shot him? (I definitely vote against that.)

Who should it be? It’s got to be somebody, somewhere.

How about the person from whom he got his gun? That would get my vote. The gun nuts around here know it.

(Note that I am not asking who will end up paying it. I am asking who should pay it. I don't think it should be "the other patients through their insurance or their own inflated hospital bills.")

Yeah that's it, make the kid at Walmart that sold it to him pay. Nobody should have accept resposibility for their actions.

Well, it looks like Mattel is on the hook for those bills. Isn't that who makes pellet guns these days???

Brilliant suggestion maplehead......

Let's see, one scapel used by one intern, one forcepts, and a good sized bandage is all that's required before sending him back into general lockup. Well, maybe since it's Christmas we can prescribe a couple of aspirin a day for the pain.

The person who he got his gun from should pay the bill, that's just BRILLIANT. What if he had used a knife to hold them up? How about an AXE? What about a baseball bat? What if he had driven his vehicle into the store? You're too funny...

That said, obviously, the tax payers will pay to keep this low life up. We both know that.

just had to borrow $20 million to make payroll for December and closed its outpatient dialysis clinic which, according to the AJC, is serving mostly undocumented immigrants that can't get care elsewhere. (Oh, they're being sued to re-open that clinic.)

Grady is the equivalent to a cosmic black hole but instead it's sucking in money rather than star matter. And just think this is not the only black hole in the country sucking in money. But have no fear, the Socialists have a plan……..
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then Walgreens pays.. Since by being a "rich" business and the "poor" socially inept and with the foot of white society firmly on the throat of this poor misguided soul, obviously needed what they had, then Walgreens was at fault here by their very exsistance.

They should have just given it up.. That is what you usally advocate.

"A little matter will move a party

~Thomas Paine"

I don't think you were the only one who automatically thought that this felon was 'black'. (By the way, my spelling checker always makes a capital B when the word black is used - and never a capital W when the word white is used.. . .another attempt at institutional political correctness?) I think you would agree that just maybe this particular felon would not feel or express that the foot of 'white' society was on his throat. He had it all going for him; male, white, etc. My point here is that there are sub-cultures in all races represented in America. The majority of posters here are anti-criminals - and that is the way it should be.

and I didn't "automatically" think they were black..

My comment was what it was.. In the Lib world the average Judeo-Christian European White Male is the oppressor and destroyer of all races including poor white liberals..

So while on the surface one might assume I meant something a little bigoted.. I was actually stereotyping Liberals.

That sin I readily admit to.

"A little matter will move a party

~Thomas Paine"

Well, the county's halfway decent paper (not this one) informs us that Mr. Schumate is a white man and a tattoo artist from Savannah.

Of course, The Citizen only points out a suspect's race when he/she is black.

Also, I wonder what Chief Heaton and company think about a Sheriff's deputy firing shots in their territory. It's my understanding that a single deputy and several F'ville police officers entered the pharmacy together. So how did the deputy end up being the one firing the shots? Maybe out FPD officers realized they were dealing with a pellet gun... just sayin'

OK I’ll venture a guess here. Since the guy is in custody I imagine his race is irrelevant in the need to inform the public. Now on the other hand, your question needs little explanation for its motivation. I'll wait for DM's clarification.

I guess the less than halfway decent paper that depicts actual footage of these hoodlums is at fault by expecting its readership (viewership) to make this determination on their own.

Your statement regarding The Citizen being biased is rank hyperbole.

Other than some loon, who really cares who takes a shot at a confirmed perpetrator with a weapon? Maybe the FPD were not the first to see the individual, or since you obviously have first hand information please enlighten us, just sayin'.

The Citizen puts spin on everything that makes it to print. Half the paper is opinion or 'free speech' and the other half is news stories pushing Beverly's agenda.

Look at all the ridiculous bigoted comments Beverly allows on these comment threads...

If I wanted to give someone a good reason NOT to move to Fayette County, I'd guide them to thecitzen.com and let them witness the hate, bigotry and right-wing-heat-packing nutjobs for themselves.

As for the "some loon" who might care who shot first, my guess would be Chief Heaton, Sheriff Hannah and the GBI (which is investigating the shooting). I don't have any more first hand information than you do. I just read the news stories. The Citizen, Today in PTC and other sources all say that the police and deputy entered the Walgreens together.

If I wanted to give someone a good reason NOT to move to Fayette County, I'd guide them to thecitzen.com and let them witness the hate, bigotry and right-wing-heat-packing nutjobs for themselves.

I think, without question, that I have been the target of the hate, bigotry, etc. more than anyone else who participates in this 'blog'. However I must state that in my almost 6 years of living in the city of Fayetteville, I have not had any racial hatred directed towards me or my family - (with the exception of a certain Waffle House). The citizens that I meet are friendly, courteous, and exude with southern hospitality. This city is far more 'integrated' than Los Angeles, where I grew up. Don't judge all of the citizens of PTC or Fayetteville by some of those who post on this site.

There are many who have the ability to disagree with a position without denigrating the poster. Most just don’t want to be bothered in involving themselves in such discussions. I initially started posting because of the racial hatred that was being expressed here. It has subsided considerably.

Muddle likes this.

"The Citizen puts spin on everything that makes it to print"

So does CNN, Fox News, NBC, CBS, ABC and Every other news paper and news organization in the WORLD. Just pick your political view and and go to the channel (or paper) that best fits.

I only believe 10% of what a news organization reports, the rest is speculation and BS.

Why bring 'race' into this? Do we know who pays for the care of prisoners while they are incarcerated? There are many 'private' prisons in our country. Who is paying for the over $30,000 a year for each prisoner? I don't know the answer. Does anyone?

Of all the bloggers on here, you have the NERVE to call out someone for bringing up race! You are a hoot!

What on earth does "call out" mean?

Could it mean to question their accuracy? Does it have to be in public? Does one literally "call" it out? From the street, maybe?

I saw a western or two where a gunfighter "called out" by yelling, come on out sheriff, the sheriff from the bar to the street then shot him!

. . .and? Didn't call Lindsey out - just asked a question. I do discuss other issues besides 'race'. . .and have had some substantive discussions with Lindsey.

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What if he got it from another broke felon? Can we incarcerate that person as well? Your point would be to go back all the way to the gun manufacturers. The crux of the difference between a strong central state person with the power to crush dissent and one that reveres personal liberty

Now I’m left to believe additional shooting practice is needed for all.

This should serve as a good lesson to all of us that have CCW’s.

In the moment of indecision, shoot to kill.

It would be interesting to learn how many ‘wild’ shots were documented.

If you’re going to carry a gun, be sure of what you aim at and be sure to kill it.

Manhunt for Killers of Salvation Army Major

These 2 worthless, cowardly, pieces of human debris killed an innocent man in front of his children (4,6, and 8 yrs old) the day before Christmas.

Let's all hope that the police find them and pump them full of holes soon. Taxpayers should not have to foot the bill to keep trash like that alive in prison.

"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams

I haven't read any news article that described anything like what you are talking about here? Where are you getting your info on this?

Just how many "wild shots" were there? I did not read in the story that there were any. Additional shooting practice? How do you know that the robber was shot due do poor shooting practices? What if the robber was shot due to exeptional shooting skills? How good of a job would you have done? Maybe, just maybe, the sitation was more complicated than the paper men you shoot at, thanks for the monday morning quarterback. Keep being a hero in your own mind. Jerk.

Law enforment officers are WELL TRAINED, and realize that they are just part of the judicial system, not the judge and jury. Congratulations to the law enforcement officers in Fayette County! Keep apprehending the crooks and keeping the citizens safe!

It’s simply human nature.

See, INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES RELATED TO SHOOTING PERFORMANCE, IN A POLICE NIGHT-TRAINING SHOOTING EXERCISE

As per the Maryland Coalition, Police and Deputy Sheriffs Study

Hit Potential In Gun Fights

The police officer's potential for hitting his adversary during armed
confrontation has increased over the years and stands at slightly over 25% of
the rounds fired. An assailant's skill was 11% in 1979.

In 1990 the overall police hit potential was 19%. Where distances could be
determined, the hit percentages at distances under 15 yards were:

Less than 3 yards ..... 38%
3 yards to 7 yards .. 11.5%
7 yards to 15 yards .. 9.4%

In 1992 the overall police hit potential was 17%. Where distances could be
determined, the hit percentages at distances under 15 yards were:

Less than 3 yards ..... 28%
3 yards to 7 yards .... 11%
7 yards to 15 yards . 4.2%

You can Google, ‘shooting accuracy, under stress’ for additional information.

When faced with such a highly stressful, life and death situation accuracy can and usually does diminish.

Accuracy with target acquisition, determining what is and what is not a target, also declines under highly stressful situations.

What these officers do, besides putting their lives on the line, is train and practice to minimize that effect.

My point being we’ve had a lot of talk of people getting CCW’s over the last year but without the proper and constant training I’m not sure if we’re any safer.

Officers are human - they want to go home at night to their families. But - they also are well trained!! Under stress, they aim for the chest/vital organs. A trained sniper can take an accurate 'head' shot, etc. All officers will use their weapons and training to protect their life and the life of citizens and fellow officers. These statistics are educational - but law enforcement officers are human - and apply their skill according to their training. THEY ARE NOT KILLERS. .and we the public should not expect them to take the law into their own hands and 'kill' at their whim. That is not their job, nor the expectation of the average citizen.