Seems like the Westside (not yet called a village, for some reason) is not really part of Peachtree City in the minds of many. Perhaps that's why the Westside is covered in litter, mud, and other debris, and lacks decent landscaping.

Look at the cartpath beside and behind the north end of Wal-Mart. Trash EVERYWHERE, and nobody's cleaning it up. I assume people are throwing their cups down as they drive their golfcarts back to Cedarcroft, Centennial, and of course Wynamede. It's disgusting. The pedestrian path to the oversized apartment complex is nasty as well with McDonald's bags and sprite bottles everywhere.

What about storm runoff? The catchment basin (is that what it's called? I'm not sure) next to the Wal-Mart parking lot was recently worked on (the week before last, I think), and it appears they dumped all the weeds and garbage from it right next to the same pedestrian path that leads to the oversized apartments.

The West side (village???) is not going well. It was obviously poorly planned, as evidenced by the traffic, and is not being maintained, as evidenced by the litter. Oh, and the little shopping center with the Mellow Mushroom and new 3-Dollar Cafe has a ton of litter behind the buildings, especially (again) on the cartpath.

If the Westside isn't fully accepted as part of Peachtree City and is not considered a village, come out and say it. Just say it: "You are not really part of the city."

Then I can sell my house and move to the REAL Peachtree City where they actually groom the medians, pick up trash, and where I can expect to get through a green light in less than five tries.

Geesh! I'm done.

First thing that has to be determined is if these areas are PTC, private or commercial property.

That determines who cleans them.

I hate it when folks surmise without reading the facts.

Already the Mayor has made some "Brownie" decisions. From turning on the floodgates of yardsigns (so that every telephone poll will be plastered by "work at home" and "buy Health Insurance Cheap" signs);
WRONG. How many telephone poles are actually in the City of Peachtree City? A few, yes, but I doubt that folks are going to put out brown and white signs with dates on them and go pick them up every two weeks to advertise their get rich quick schemes. And no signs are allowed on poles, anyway.

He tried to Monopolize the trash pick up.
WRONG. A quick check of history shows that the previous mayor and council initiated this one. In fact, Logsdon suggested the "wait and see" free market attitude - one which Allied Waste quickly confirmed was good for trying to regulate by upping their rates.

He was opposed to the smoking ban.
OK, you're right there. But I'm opposed to it too.

Now he's increasing taxes on storm water.
WRONG. Not a tax, a utility that is required to keep Peachtree City from completely falling apart. If the Council DID raise the taxes, you'd be really ticked. Be prepared, they'll have to eventually.

Next thing we will be annexing more of the County to put more Big Box stores into the City.
OK, you're just not right.

I can see why nobody ever cares about these blogs - there are so so many who are so so uninformed (I'm ready for you to blast me on that one).

Carpe, Highgreen, SandySue - thank you for your opinions, but try to get a basis in reality every once in a while. You can now go back to Oprah.

A New Mayor has been elected in PTC and in less than 2 months, two of his fiercest supporters are having second thoughts:

CarpeDiem says: "...the Mayor has made some "Brownie" decisions..."

HHamster says: "...And no they won't be cutting taxes - no one ever does, but sometimes politicians say they will or think they can. Just ignore that talk as it never really happens. Its just temporary insanity when any politician says that. They can't help themselves."

Well, no, no one believed any of Harold Logsdon's nonsense. Cut taxes? Hah. Reduce government? Har, har, har. After all, that campaign banter was nothing more than well paid political consulting platitudes, incapable of defense even before a high school crowd.

Why are you surprised that in two months Logsdon is increasing taxes and increasing government ? CarpeDiem and HHamster are two of the many loyal supplicants being led to the slaughter.

Brown shot himself in the foot. No questions. One point is correct-- the folks in PTC voted against Brown and not for Logsdon. And look what they got--- an inexperienced greenhorn who is in way over his head.

Are you kidding? Logsdon "not much of an improvement yet" over Brown? All Logsdon has done is begin to clean up some of the mess Brown left behind and play catch up on things that Brown ignored - or mismanaged.

The new mayor and councilpeople are wonderful. They don't act out of personal interest or terrorize the citizens. And no they won't be cutting taxes - no one ever does, but sometimes politicians say they will or think they can. Just ignore that talk as it never really happens. Its just temporary insanity when any politician says that. They can't help themselves.

Sure most of the votes in the general election were against Brown, but in the runnoff it was for one or the other and Logsdon won big time. He's not declaring a mandate - he is governing humbly and effectively without the in-your-face stuff we got from Brown, Rapson and Weed. Thank goodness for the new people.

Right here.

I was at the meeting when it was approved.

Was there glowing support? No.

Did it pass? Yes.

Why? They had to do something and this is the best way to go.

Will it be handled correctly over time? Time will tell.

Yes. There were struggles the public did not see. From whom to whom and why? Moot issue now.

Really, trying to stop this would be a grand mistake. Look at places that have tried to go cheap on water, sewage and stormwater. Massive repair bills and miraculously appearing sink holes, among other things.

Folks, it is here to stay simply because it is needed.

As for the mayor, things are not going the way he wanted or expected. And he DID admit he campaigned on freezing or reducing taxes. And admited that has prove a promise that cannot be kept.

So, idontknow, I have to say, "I told you so!"

The Mayor is in a big learning curve. We will see how it all turns out.

PTC Guy, remember that is what was wanted in a Mayor and all new city council members people who knew nothing. Look back at my blogs. I commented on how PTC always seems to elect unexperienced council, well one exception, but they managed to run the experience we did have out. The responces I received were that we PTC did not want experience. Hum... if the elected officials had experience they may not listen to Direct PAC cronies, now would they.
Someday we will all figure it out, by the time these inexperienced guys figure out what they are doing their term is up, but then again some never figure it out.

If we all were paying attention like I know you are, we would have realized you can not freeze taxes!

What I would like to know who is the Mayor learning from? The two experienced council members, yeah right, 2 years, I do not call that experience.
We will all pay and elect new ones in 2 years if all goes right!
Maybe if people are reading these blogs they are figuring it out.
Experience does matter!

People were not paying attention. And they still are not since most have slide back into their security places and are turning a blind eye to government.

They thought corporate and military experience meant elected leadership experience. I warned it did not and was not listened to.

Any one who has been elected to anything on any level knows that.

Who is the Mayor learning from? Not sure there. I mean he is gathering info from multiple sources. But who is he learning from on decision making? Well, I think what I said in the elections stand true. Himself.

A lesson not being learned is good decision making often goes against the grain of the majority who are not there day to day to gain that nasty word experience.

Stormwater is in such bad shape because it is one of the issues experience says past due to deal with but the majority popular screams if you try.

Why don't people get that is one of the reasons it is now mandatory from both the Feds and State? The blind eye was turned too long. Would have been tons cheaper to have started this 15 years ago.

Well, a lot of "I told you so" from me is now coming true.

Freeze or reduce taxes. What a pipe dream.

Maybe it is because over time I have served in a number of association and such elected positions. Oh, sometimes when you do the must and needed thing the wolf packs come out. But always, setting aside need and legalisms and listening to popular demand is a disaster.

Finally, listening to power brokers and players like DirPAC and the old DevAuth is always a mistake. Those people either server themselves or see through rose colored glasses.

Just my thoughts.

Your thoughts are a bit grumpy today. Sometimes rose colored glasses can keep you from having a stroke. I prefer to have 20/20 vision and by seeing things more clearly, I know that it is never a mistake to listen to the power brokers and players like DirPAC and the Old DevAuth. If you listen and really pay attention, you might learn that you were wrong or slightly misinformed. Or, you might very well learn that you were right, but by listening you'll gain a much better advantage when it comes to initiating and negotiating the changes you want to make.

Leoah Whineknott

Not grumpy, really, just a bit stunned at some of the comments.

Rose glasses is a derogatory term meaning not seeing reality. Seeing good where there is bad.

I did listen and pay attention. That is why I so strong oppose DirPAC and the old DevAuth.

We don't need to listen to those who created many issues that were easily seeable as bad from the beginning. I was opposed to the Tennis Center and such from the beginning.

We need the storm water utility. It could have been put in place much sooner if the past administration had not set out to turn everything upside down and undo the previous administration's actions.

As long as PTC continues to have term limits you can expect a learning curve. But the City staff has the experience and the ability to run the City. We pay them top dollar so let them do their job. The Council needs to listen to them to learn exactly where past administrations were headed, where we are now, and what our options are for the future. Then they need to listen to the citizens (including Direct Pac members) to determine which way the wind is blowing before they decide what direction they are going to steer.

We didn't want to elect people who "knew nothing", we just didn't want to reelect a "know it all" who accomplished nothing.

Undo the previous Administrations actions? And beyond meeting the minimum legal demands exactly what did Lenox do that was undone concerning Stormwater?

Nothing. They filed what had to be filed and did the basics and nothing more.

At LEAST Brown pushed and got it moving again.

The idea the Utility could be created overnight is a mistaken one. There was tons of technical and other work that was very time consuming that had to be performed first.

As for listening to the Staff in the Main I agree. But a second look is a good thing. Not every idea is a good one.

Yes. Listening to learn where past administrations is good and proper. And such as the Round About have been properly killed as bad ideas.

And listen to DirPAC? Really? Hmmmm. Nope!

Listen to the citizens. Yes, in part. But as with issues such as Stormwater very bad idea.

Some needful things are just not popular.

And exactly how do you get a good election when the electorate do not really understand the issues? Not saying Brown, but sometimes the person who comes across as knowing it all on an issue does so because they know it all on the issue. Which is not a bad thing.

And accomplishment is such a hard thing to define. Some things that get done should have not. Some that do not should have. And sometimes status quo is a marvelous thing.

Whine, whine, whine--- Can anybody in PTC do anything BUT whine about Brown, or Lenox, or Logsdon, etc., etc.,? You folks complained about Brown and now the same folks are turning on the new mayor. Why would ANYBODY run for office in this town?

Lenox's administration did, absolutely, get the ball rolling on this project. Now, it might not have been Lenox personally, but the Council and staff were working on it. Brown could have pushed it along alot faster if he had not been spending so much time trying to undo the past. But, instead, he went into office with a mission to destroy anything or anyone associated with the Development Authority. He started out the Ethics Ordinance, moved to hotel/motel taxes, then the Development Authority's budget, sports and entertainment authority, etc, etc.

The stormwater utility wasn't even discussed by the Council again until mid 2003. He wasted a year-and-a-half and a LOT of energy. If 1/100th of that energy had been put into planning the stormwater utility, it would have happened much sooner and it would have been a much better plan. Personally, I would have liked to see this be addressed on a County-wide level. I never said the utility could have been created over night. I agree it is very technical, political and time consuming. That is why I am very disappointed that so much time and energy was wasted.

The Council needs to LISTEN to Direct Pac, as well as all citizens. Not take orders from them. No one has all of the answers. In fact, I agree, the citizens do not have any answers most of the time. But, a few of them do, and all of them have concerns that the Council needs to listen to so they can communicate better with them. Many times unpopular decisions can be managed better if citizens are well informed, but they won't listen to the Council or support unpopular decisions if they feel like no one has listened to them in the first place.
Leoah Whineknott

Sorry, but your logic is not holding water to me.

Lenox did Phase I requirements only in 8 years. And did those because of an impossed deadline.

Brown did three phases. Regardless of being able to get farther faster he did more than Lenox in less time.

And County wide? Fayetteville already has a Stormwater in place. So that is a none starter.

I see no need to listen to DirPAC. An extremely politically and so on motivated group.

Not Mid 2003 either. There were meetings in March at least.

And we differ big time on the DevAuth. I don't see a good thing was there and did not like many things they did or how they did them.

Nope. Brown was not the best but don't go putting Lenox and the DevAuth on pedastals.

We disagree on history here. And it is now a pointless issue to relive the Brown administration.

What is the point of doing so now? We need to move forward.