Imker challenges street sweeping contract

Fri, 12/18/2009 - 4:20pm
By: John Munford

$66K in stormwater funds approved on 4-1 vote

Peachtree City’s approval of a $62,782 contract for street sweeping services normally would not be such a noteworthy event.

The item was, in fact, on the city council consent agenda, a list of items that are voted on as a group in large part because they are non-controversial and require little if any explanation from staff beyond the memos provided to council members in advance of the meeting.

But the street sweeping contract drew the attention of new councilman Eric Imker, and so it was pulled off the consent agenda for discussion. Imker suggested the city could benefit from purchasing its own street sweeper and handling the duties with public works employees.

Imker noted that the contract included monthly street sweeping for 16 city parking lots and approximately 73 miles of curbed streets.

Imker said he got an analysis from city staff that indicated the city could almost break even by handling the job in-house. Finance Director Paul Salvatore noted that the calculations he provided to Imker were off because he learned a larger street sweeper would be necessary for the work, and that a dump truck would have to follow behind it to collect the waste.

Also, the resulting waste that is picked up by the sweeper is deemed a hazardous material and has to be disposed of accordingly, staff noted. Due to that issue, any projected cost benefit in staff’s initial analysis would likely be wiped out, Salvatore said.

The funds for the street sweeping are coming from the city’s stormwater program, and stormwater manager Mark Caspar noted that the street sweeping is a requirement of the city’s stormwater permit.

Imker said he had not been told by staff the street sweeping was mandated by the stormwater permit.

The city’s stormwater funds are collected separately from the city’s general fund and must be spent exclusively on stormwater projects.

Caspar said the street sweeping helps the stormwater system by removing debris that otherwise would make its way into the system, thereby increasing maintenance issues.

The street sweeping contract was awarded to the lowest of two bidders, Sweeping Corporation of America Inc. on a 4-1 vote. Imker cast the sole vote against the motion.

In 2006 the city began collecting annual stormwater fees from residential properties and monthly fees for all other properties including commercial, industrial and office development. The average fee for most homes in the city ranges from $2.69 to $6 a month, with homes on private streets paying an additional fee to cover the stormwater runoff from those streets.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 8:34pm.

and the fans are howling. Whatta game, whatta game! Well, in MHO, Mr Imker was just trying to make sure the money was being spent in the most efficient way for all of the denizens of PTC, and he took a trip under the bus for his efforts. I sincerely doubt that it will happen that way again.

It's not easy being the carbonunit


Submitted by PTC Observer on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 2:56pm.

This is not a good sign for PTC, anyone who believes that government can provide services less expensively than competitive private bidding needs to go back to school.

I would love to see an independent audit of the city staff analysis. What the heck does "an analysis from city staff that indicated the city could almost break even" mean?

Looks like we have a problem Houston.

Submitted by ddodge on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 8:51am.

At one time quite a few years ago, PTC owned a sweeper and if I remember correctly, I only saw it once on my street. Where did it go? Was it sold for lack of use? Is it in some city garage where nobody remembers it?

Submitted by flip212 on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 1:57pm.

It’s my opinion that Finance Director Paul Salvatore did a very poor job of advising the Mr. Imker of all the facts prior to the council meeting.

Seems to me a lack of “professional courtesy on the part of Mr. Salvatore. Why did he wait until Mr. Imker brought this up at the Council Meeting before Salvatore informed him of his “being off”? Sure seemed to me as a witness of the event first hand, that Mr. Imker was made to look bad intentionally!
The professional action should have been for Mr. Salvatore to immediately notify the Council member as soon as he realized “that the calculations he provided to Imker were off” and not wait until the meeting.
Mr. Salvatore out of respect for the Councilman position…owes an apology.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 3:53pm.

So glad you bought this up. As another witness, I, too, saw it was a calculated effort by Caspar and Salvatore ( I'm sure there are more involved) to humiliate Imker. Mark Caspar was overly enthusiastic about telling Mr. Imker that he didn't know what he was talking about.
The fact that it is state law is information that was easily available to Mr. Imker. It was clearly stated in the Agenda packet that street sweeping is required on a monthly basis. It also states further from which account the funds come from. It's still there, for anyone to see. Trust me, if I can find it, anyone can. Which, unfortunately, leads me to conclude that Mr. Imker did not read the agenda item details. Let's attribute that to a rookie mistake. I also saw Ms. Plunkett's smirk and rolling of the eyes when this discussion was going on. I also saw her facial expression when the vote went 4-1, she clearly did not care that Mr. Imker voted no.
This is the beginning of the changeover. City staff know the agenda these new members were voted in on. Cut expenses with as little damage as possible to services. City staff, obviously, will attempt to find ways to avoid these cuts. Let's remember these people report to Bernie McMullen, who has had more than a professional friendship with Logsdon. This smugness on the part of city staff will be obvious to all of us if it continues. And to the new council.

All in all, it was, I agree, unprofessional on the part of city staff. Let's see if they can do better come January.

Submitted by Spyglass on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 10:51am.

We messed up.

Submitted by Imker on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 3:02pm.

Thanks for the words Flip, but instead of an apology I'd rather have saved the city $50,000 by doing street sweeping perhaps only twice a year instead of monthly. That was the whole point of my action. I was not looking for a new street sweeper for the city. I was looking for ways to save the city money. $60K pays for an average full time city employee with benefits. And we're looking at having accumulated about 25 net additional heads over the last 4 years without actually lowering expenses elsewhere or raising taxes to pay for them. So the choice by all city staffers should be, save $50K and $50K there or who gets let go? That should be plain talking enough for everyone.

Submitted by winer on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 3:51pm.

Sometimes it just isn't possible to save another dollar on a project or contract. I understand that premise. However, could you make an effort to ensure we are getting what the city paid for those contracts?
For example, the city's website could publish a schedule for street sweeping. Because I can tell you, without a doubt, my street has not been swept on a monthly basis. It used to be city workers, now it's the contract landscaping company but they don't remove leaves. They only blow them off the easements. A little wind later and the leaves are back in the streets. If I don't go out and clean those gutters, rain will back up and divert across the street. If a street cleaner came down my street in the last 6 months, it must have happened just hours after I cleaned the gutters. It sure is not happening on a monthly basis.

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 7:54pm.

It was obvious from anyone who understands government that Salvatore and Casper weren't aware Imker would make a federal case out of a simple contract.

Mr. Imker you'd have scored more points if you'd have researched what other ATL cities are getting in their streetsweeping contracts and showed us whether PTC was getting a good deal or not. 2 bids is not a lot and perhaps it would've been worth Mr. Imker finding out why others didn't bid, etc.

Imker is COMPLETELY RIGHT that if savings aren't found, they will have to cut staff. But for Flip and Goil to insinuate that city employees would rather spend themselves out of a job ... that couldn't be less true.

If you saw the looks on the staff's faces when the public works and building department employees were cut, you would know I'm speaking the truth.


Submitted by PTCGOIL on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 9:05pm.

I don't think Imker made a federal case. I think he had good intentions, wanting to save money, but did not do his homework thoroughly enough, as you point out and as I did in my post.

As far as spend themselves out of a job, I feel that there will naturally be resistance by certain staff to some cuts coming that they might not agree with. Not necessarily in their jobs, but in expense cuts that might affect them doing their jobs in a manner they have been accustomed to. I would assume none of them, like most of us, are in a position to be unemployed right now, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I would like to see staff show patience going forward with this new Council. There will be a real learning curve for the new Council. We all know that other than Mr. Haddix, they all know less than staff right now about how our PTC govt. and budget works. And, there are some (many?) who have never worked with/for another Council prior to this outgoing council. Another learning curve for them, too. There has been no indication thru the election, from Mr. Haddix, that he wants to see any more jobs cuts.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 10:09pm.

to Mr. Sturbaum. I was referring to the NEW council members.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 9:25pm.

I hate to say anything here, but with Public Works moral so low from unsurity I have to say there is no talk of more cuts. Not even mentioned.

Councilman Stuarbaum and I are the only ones with elected position backgrounds.

We are at the beginning of the new Council. There is a learning curve.

Don Haddix
Mayor-Elect


Submitted by PTC Observer on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 8:09pm.

Did you mean unsurety?

Look, we can't avoid the problems with the economy. Public employees like everyone else suffer from insecurity.

The question is what will the new council do to chinch up the budget, drive some savings into the running of the city and save the taxpayers money by demanding more from employees and vendors alike.

We need some strong action and leadership by the new council and city manager. The key word here is "action".

It has nothing to do with "elected position backgrounds". It has a lot to do with plain old common sense.

When the house is burning you don't throw on gasoline to put out the fire. This is exactly what I think when I read stuff like Imker's comments. Almost breakeven, indeed! Come on get with the program Mr. Imker or get out.

The citizens of the city demand that the new council get a grip on this when you take office.

We’re mad as hell and we aren’t going to take this anymore.

Submitted by flip212 on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 5:15pm.

My hope and reason for voting the way I did in this past election is that you new members will fix some of these staff wrongs....it time for an overhaul in our city departments...have at it council....

Submitted by flip212 on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 5:18pm.

Caspar and Salvatore...both of them acted very disrespectful and totally unprofessional in my opinion at this last meeting on Thursday...

Submitted by flip212 on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 5:21pm.

And we won’t even mention the snide comments from our outgoing Mayor during the photo shot with our new mayor elect…real class Harold!!

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Submitted by SPQR on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 9:05am.

Oh, never mind


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