Bigger box sought for Hwy. 54W.

Tue, 12/15/2009 - 3:18pm
By: John Munford

3 departing council members hold key to PTC vote to up-size anchor store to 65,000 sq. ft. within the 175,000 sq. ft. development

A proposal to up-size a “big box” store for a new shopping center on Ga. Highway 54 West is up for a vote by the Peachtree City Council Thursday night.

Currently, the largest store allowed on the site is capped at 50,000 square feet, up from the city’s current limit of 32,000 square feet.

Now Capital City Development wants the cap raised to 65,000 square feet. CCD is allowed to have three stores of up to 50,000 square feet each, and as a concession the company is willing to give up the two other 50,000-square-foot stores, said CCD’s Doug McMurrain.

In return for the one bigger store, the remaining two big stores would comply with the city’s limit of 32,000 square feet each. The entire site still would be allowed a maximum of 175,000 square feet of retail/commercial space under the proposed revision.

While Kohl’s Department Store remains interested in the space, CCD is also courting Academy Sporting Goods and a movie theater, McMurrain said.

The company has yet to provide a site plan for city approval, and McMurrain has previously said that commercial development is difficult in the current stunted economy.

McMurrain has said the 65,000-square-foot store would be roughly the same size as the largest grocery store in town.

The decision will be among the last for three members of council — Mayor Harold Logsdon and council members Steve Boone and Cyndi Plunkett. They leave office Dec. 31.

Boone and Plunkett were defeated in their bids for reelection, and Logsdon chose not to seek another term on council. Logsdon is an announced candidate for the Republican nomination for state insurance commissioner.

This may be a last gasp effort by CCD, as incoming Peachtree City Mayor Don Haddix has said he wants to eliminate the “special use permit” process that allows big box stores upwards of 32,000 square feet to be approved by council. Based on that stance, and several other new council members’ stated intentions to avoid big box development, it is unlikely a new council would approve upsizing the store for a Kohl’s.

It is also unlikely that the new council will be able to “undo” the current agreement that allows CCD to have its 175,000-square-foot shopping center with the largest store being 50,000 square feet.

The site, which abuts Cardiff Park at the rear, is already zoned for general commercial development. It also will be served by a traffic light on Hwy. 54 West that was approved by the Georgia Department of Transportation after the City Council intervened on CCD’s behalf.

That light will be between the existing lights for Planterra Way and MacDuff Parkway. Prior to the city’s intervention, DOT had turned down CCD’s request for the traffic light on two previous occasions.

The city’s development agreement with CCD for the special use permit stated that the city merely would not oppose the traffic light; there was no requirement for the city to petition DOT for the light. But ultimately a split council voted to formally apply to the DOT with a request for the light, which was later granted.

As part of the special use process, the city negotiated a landscaped buffer between the shopping center and Cardiff Park. Many Cardiff Park residents who were vocal during the development vetting process said they preferred Kohl’s because of the company’s history in which it has not abandoned a store that it created; other big box retailers have well-documented records of abandoning stores for new ones.

CCD also has an existing agreement in which it will buy much of Line Creek Drive and all of Line Creek Court from the city in return for a payment of at least $500,000. Should the streets appraise for a higher value, CCD is to provide the rest of the funds in a swap for an equivalent amount of land on the site that abuts the Line Creek Nature Area.

Without the streets, CCD would not have enough room to put any large stores on the site due to the city’s road setback regulations.

The road sale and traffic light drew a firestorm of complaints from citizens who feared the additional traffic light will further worsen traffic flow on Hwy. 54 West, which is already choked with vehicles during commuting times.

Back in 2007, Capital City was working with Kohl’s for an 89,000-square-foot center for the 14.2-acre site. But that plan ultimately was withdrawn by CCD and replaced with a hand-drawn plan that included references to a Hooter’s restaurant and a QT gas station, though it was never said that CCD had inked agreements with either company.

Prior to that, CCD had lined up a potential Lowe’s Home Improvement store at 135,000 square feet along with the Kohl’s, but the Lowe’s fell off the map soon after it was publicized.

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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 11:02am.

CCD owns the property and has the right to take the risk to build whatever they want on that site – as long as that development meets the zoning standards established by the PTC Comprehensive Plan and the West 54 Overlay guidelines.

What has irritated me regarding this project is the manner in which the departing City Council members have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the developer, often against the recommendations of the PTC Planning Commission. I believe a lot of voters in this last election cycle made their decisions after asking themselves: “Who does the City Council really work for?”

During the campaign one of the candidates implied the city was exposing itself to future lawsuits if we did not “play ball” with developers like McMurrain. I firmly believe the decisions made by this Council over the last four years have made the taxpayers of PTC far more vulnerable to lawsuits by appearing to give preferential treatment to CCD on this project. If I owned a struggling commercial property in PTC and had not received similar special concessions, I would be talking to my attorney to seek damages from the City.

Unfortunately, we can not turn back the clock on the multiple bad decisions made by the departing Council regarding this property, but I’m hoping this Thursday evening the Council will show some spine and say “enough is enough” and reject this request.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 10:55am.

CCD wants the following change to the agreement. As stated in the proposal:

"The new paragraph would read as follows:
No more than three 3 buildings with single tenants or occupants may exceed 32,000 SF of enclosed space, two with a maximum of 50,000 SF for any single tenant or occupant and one with a maximum of 65,000 SF for any single tenant or occupant."

Total footage remains 175,000 sq'.

Kohl's build 80,000 to 110,000 sq'. The original Kohl's proposal was 86,000 sq'.

I have no idea how the present Council will vote but will be there to observe.

Don Haddix
Mayor Elect


Submitted by Howard Beale on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 12:17pm.

Mayor-elect Haddix, I'm hoping that when you take office in January you'll end your unfortunate habit of milling around on these blogs and giving some sort of legitimacy to this tabloid rag.

Beverly and company are so clearly agenda-driven. Take a look at the different approaches the two local papers took on this story in particular. Yet, your presence here as an elected official only serves to give credibility to Beverly, Brown and company.

Please find a new way to keep in touch with your constituents. Whatever happened to PTC Post Exchange?

And before the Cal-worshiping blogging faithful jump down my throat and tell me to go away, I'm just on here to check for advertisers so I know which local businesses to boycott.

Submitted by R. Butler on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 12:59pm.

Howard-

Frankly speaking, I don't believe that the coverage on this issue has been agenda-driven. It has been informative. I have been following this whole CCD development for several years, and Mr. Haddix has been the only elected official to ever bother to keep citizens of the city informed on these issues. Unless you were to attend a Chamber of Commerce meeting, our current mayor didn't feel a compelling need to explain anything to us citizens (let alone actually listen to us).

But I do agree with you on the issue of a better way to keep in touch with citizens of the city. I was planning to wait until next year to raise this, but I would really like to see our city planning commission and council meetings web-cast. Many people like myself are very interested in these types of issues, but our work schedules or travel committments make it impossible to make the meetings. It should not be a costly proposition to make this happen and would go a long way in fostering more open government.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 5:23pm.

Filming equipment is being installed now. The alternatives of streaming, archives and Comcast broadcasting are being ironed out. We hope to do all.

As well a forum/bulletin board is in work for the PTC Website to allow Staff and Council to put out information and answer questions in broader and more efficient manner. Legalities, etc are being worked out so that will take a bit longer. Probably March.

When that happens posting here will become rare. With the other alternatives in place what would be the purpose?

I agree having such information handled in a more 'official' manner is preferred.

As well with the change of Council January 1st a lot of these issues will no longer be of concern and need clarifying.

Don Haddix
Mayor Elect


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 7:05pm.

I applaud you for following through on this idea.

I will be there for the (hopefully) last McMurrain vote with my little video camera and will figure out a way to post it here or somewhere. I would appreciate some input from a helpful techno geek about how to do that.

I assume we will have the last 3-2 vote with the outgoing councilpeople giving the finger to PTC. Sad, but easy to predict.

Nevertheless, being able to see council meetings at home is a huge victory. Accountable government. What a concept.

Thanks, Don.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 7:10am.

Post it on You Tube and then create a link here. If you can't figure out how to link ask one of us we'll pop it in for you. I can send you an explanation on how to do it to your Citizen e-mail address if you want.

CAP AND TRADE Congress in 2010


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 7:33am.

See below, Bonkers disapproves. My immediate reaction is that if he's opposed, I'm for it.

You Tube link Friday AM. Hopefully it will show McMurrain leaving with a frown - for the last time.


Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 4:45am.

Then all we get is "acting" for the camera.. Prior rehearsala and plans will be done before the "filming."
Also, we can judge them by their looks then! Very bad idea.

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 11:12am.

MUNFORD WRITES - "Currently, the largest store allowed on the site is capped at 50,000 sq. ft., up from the city’s normal limit of 32,000 sq. ft. Now Capital City Development wants the cap raised to 65,000 sq. ft. CCD is allowed to have three stores of up to 50,000 square feet each, and as a concession the company is willing to give up the two other 50,000 sq. ft. stores, said CCD’s Doug McMurrain."
So is CCD not going to give up the two 50,000 sq ft store in exchange for a 15,000 sq,. ft increase in the main store?


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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 10:18am.

If I understand this new proposal (based on the above article), CCD wants to add 15,000 sq ft to one store (presumably Kohl's) for a total of 65,000 sq. ft. and they will drop the other two "Medium Box" stores that could have been 50,000 sq ft each? I would assume there would be some smaller support stores to go along with the main store?
Add 15,000 and lose 100,000?
SEEMS TO ME to be an overall, smaller and more manageable development. This should also mean less traffic and less risk for failure that would result in empty store fronts.
I don't care who ultimately votes on this, it could be a good a good compromise .
Folks, something is going to be built there. The zoning has been in place for a long time. Even if you make it impossible for CCD to build there by restricting the store size, they will sell it to the next developer who WILL build something.
I just got some great buys last week at the Kohl's in Fayetteville. I have no objections to Kohl's and a long history of success.


Submitted by R. Butler on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 1:23pm.

yellowjax1212

I might be inclined to agree with you if this wasn't the latest in a long series of plan changes--each with the promise of being the last one.

If there was a way to get a binding committment that was legally enforcible in court, that's one thing. And clearly, CCD is cramming this through in an effort to make it happen before the new City Council takes their seats. Which makes me wonder...if this is such a great deal for the city, why the rush by CCD?

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 10:27am.

the big picture needs to be addressed. It will be developed, that is what some fail to recognize.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 9:34am.

Here is where we see if the "lame ducks" are going to respect the wishes of the voters in the last month's election who supported candidates very opposed to the big boxes.

The Hooter's and QT gas station threats from CCD were designed to make the Cardiff Park residents wee in their pants and beg for mercy.

While in office, I personally met with a QT engineer who stated they did not want to comply with the overlay zoning requirements and would not build.

There is too much in land and development costs for just a gas station or a stand alone restaurant.

I think the new council will stand up to bullies like CCD. Thus the current council should pass this one over to the new council out of respect to the voters' wishes.


Submitted by Arf on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 9:34am.

The mess in this area is exactly why I voted for certain people in the last election and against others. Most of the prior decisions supporting McMurrain make absolutely no sense.

I go past this property several times a day as I live in Wilksmoor. The traffic is already on total overload. I've gotten 3 tickets in my life and 2 were in the past 2 months, just trying to get home through the mess. The congestion and the traffic lights are already a huge problem for PTC residents of the area because it's mainly designed for out of area travelers passing through. You can hardly get through the light coming off of McDuff, and if there is an accident, like Friday night, you're stuck. Even if this center is built, how many vacant stores do we really need? I realize that McMurrain will build, but the city doesn't need to do him any more favors and needs to make it as difficult as they can. Has anyone, anywhere verified that Kohl's or anyone else is really interested in this shopping center? I think McMurrain is full of hot air and other stuff.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 9:15am.

That is what this is about. Personally, a Kohls is not my style. That said, this seems to reduce the big boxes on site from 3 to 1, per our definition.

I will say this, if they don't build here, and the Kohls folks truly want a store in the area, they will build just across the Coweta line at Fisher Road/Hwy 34....

Not an easy decision, in my humble opinion.

Submitted by LawAbidingCitizen on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 12:04am.

I say yes to controlled commercial development! I would rather shop knowing I have the PTC Police Dept protection, rather than traveling afar to spend my hard earned money and then take a chance on being robbed. It only makes sense to spend money locally. Just imagine the economical benefits if we all shopped inside our bubble. Next time you drive an hour, just to find some variety, think about it!

Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 7:39am.

Every time they threaten, cajole.. movie theaters ? that's new..

Kohl's as variety ? from my 30269 driveway there is 1 in Fayetteville 9.2 miles, another in Newnan 9.8 miles. There are 16 more Kohl's stores within 50 miles. or 1 hour drive and all are outside 285 where there are police and it's safe.

We have seen controlled development -- controlled by the developers and their friends..

If you think Capital City Development of Texas has your best interests in mind -- your living in the bubble.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 9:20pm.

Mr.Logsdon, Mrs. Plunkett et al, McMurrain has come back and come back and asked for me and more and each time is supposed to be the last time. Please show Peachtree City citizens that you all can do the right thing and refuse this. We will thank you for that.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 7:53pm.

This is not something you big 3 want on your resume if you are going to run for higher office.

This is a bad, bad, choice for PTC and the best thing to do is act like you care about Peachtree City and vote this down.


Submitted by PTC Observer on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 3:20pm.

Follow Cal's advise and don't do anything.

That's the best thing you can do for the city at this point. There's nothing in it either way for you to vote for or against this proposal.

Or is there?

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 6:12pm.

They won't vote it down.

They will punt it into next year. I don't know what the size of a building has to do with anything anyway if parking and traffic is adequate.

Sure it would hurt the Avenue and others, but that is capitalism!
Socialist Europe doesn't allow such things however. They have the village concept and don't want change. And they haven't!!!

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 1:58pm.

The final game of bluff is on. CCD can't get crap to go in there and is desperate. Foaming at the mouth for ANYTHING it can get out of Logsdon, Plunkett and Boone. One last chance, all or nothing. Who blinks first?

Listen up you three. You wanna end your four years saying yes, yes, yes to everything the voters just told the 3 of you we DON'T want? Do you wish to continue living in PTC with this final vote going against the fabric of what this city wants? Then say yes to CCD one last time.

Or, retain what little reputation you have left to look your neighbors in the eye with and say NO to CCD. Your choice, your decision, who do you FINALLY represent here in Peachtree City? Read back to the Oath of Office you took four years ago.

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Submitted by Mike King on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 2:13pm.

...means anything Mr Imker will join Doug Sturbaum in opposition. Hopefully, Either Mr Boone or Ms Plunkett will realize that following Harold's 'yellow brick road' has caused their political demise and do right by the citizens.

What say you, Cyndi and Steve?


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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 6:53am.

Pretty clear what Logsdon and Boone will do. Sturnbaum and the new guy will vote against.

Cyndi, once again is the swing vote, but she can't win whether she votes yes or no. A yes vote makes her a Logsdon pawn. A no vote makes her a bitter loser taking out her venom against Logsdon and Boone and even Mr. "sell the streets and while you are at it, I need a traffic light" McMurrain - all of whom were probably the reason she lost the election.

Solution? Call in sick and let them stall at 2-2. If it comes up next year - so be it.


Submitted by wdd5885 on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 7:44am.

...CCD wants to make one big box bigger, and the 2 others smaller. How much smaller? It seems from all the gnashing of teeth over this matter, citizens would agree with reducing the number of big boxes from 3 to 1, however, if the other two are still "big boxes" under our definition, then I would agree with saying no as well.

David

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