Schools catching more out-of-county students

Tue, 12/08/2009 - 5:04pm
By: Ben Nelms

Fayette County is still having issues with out-of-county students attending school here. A report heard by school board members Monday night showed that 51 students so far this school year have withdrawn after being found not to have legal residency.

Pupil Personnel Services Director Barbara Serapion told board members that of 94 referrals during the first semester a total of 51 had been determined not to be Fayette residents. The remaining 43 students, Serapion said, were determined to be legal residents after investigations into the matter were conducted.

The 54 percent withdrawal rate for the 2009-2010 school year surpasses the rate for last year when 40 students were withdrawn after 419 cases were investigated by officers, Serapion said.

“We’re being aggressive,” Serapion said. “I think we’re doing a good job so far.”

Serapion said tips pertaining to out of county students have come from both school personnel and the community.

Serapion noted that there is a cost and a cost recovery involved with investigations. The cost this year totals $750 for police investigations and $150 for employee mileage costs. That compared to a cost of $15,000 last year for police investigations, she said.

The school system to date has collected $5,096 in reimbursed tuition costs from the families of withdrawn students and has contracted to receive another $11,153.

Asked if there were particular schools or areas where the incidence of out of county students were occurring with greater frequency, Serapion said that while the situation was occurring across the school system the schools nearer the borders with other counties seemed to have a higher percentage of students without legal residency.

Serapion said that, to date, there have been no prosecutions, though she did not rule out the potential for other cases as the facts are determined. She said those with suspicions should contact either the individual school or central office.

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Submitted by jeep2 on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:18pm.

We have yet to be asked for a utility bill or some other form of identification that proves we are legal residents of the county. It is mid-December and I wonder how many other illegal students would withdraw or be ousted from the school system if this check were in place as it has been for the past several years. Why has this yearly check of residency been done away with? There is no reason that this practice can not be done randomly through out the year.

Submitted by fluffybear on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 3:26pm.

I see no reason that it could not be done at the beginning of each semester (twice a year).
Send a note home informing parents a copy of a "CURRENT" (within 30 days) utility bill must be provided by a given date, Failure to do so will result in the child being removed from school.

Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 5:32pm.

Does that copy of a utility bill (doctored on a computer) have to have the same address as is listed for the, let's say Jones, student? He may live at his Aunt, Uncle, cousins, Grandparents Jones home! Could be his "guardian."
He can live where he wants to live!
He might have been born in New Orleans!
Maybe he was adopted!

Submitted by fluffybear on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 6:51pm.

Maybe you would be the type to doctor up something on your computer but I tend to believe that when someone is confronted to present proof, the majority of cheaters would rather remove their child from school then face serious criminal action.
Also, I do not believe a child has the right to just go and live where ever they want. Maybe you feel they have the right but as usual you're BONKERS. When a child is registered for the first time, proof of residency and custodial rights must be presented. If custodial rights change, the school must be presented with legal documentation as to such. Parents are required to fill out an updated information sheet each August.

Let me add this, I have discovered that there are legal ways which a child (whose parent/guardian is not a FCBOE employee) and who resides in another district/county can attend our schools (or any public school system in the state of Georgia for that matter) but that involves permission from the school and Board of Education and I believe does carry a small cost. My problem is now and will always be with the person who is to lazy to do it by the books and chooses to violate the law. I find it very hard to believe that you would support someone breaking the law..

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 7:40am.

Why, I never would be one to doctor up false papers on a computer!!
You should be able to tell that from my papers on here.

By the way isn't it easy to get "custodial rights" at the court house? Just have to ask.

If we have tooo many empty schools, why not move the district lines and let those from other counties attend for a anominal fee--like pay for the teachers and the bonds? Maybe $50 a month.

Hey, you sound stolen from!

Submitted by fluffybear on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 12:57pm.

No offense but I typically skim over your posts in this forum. You and I tend to be on opposite sides (no matter what it is). That being said, I have never met you or know you from anything other then this forum and have no idea what you are capable of. I have spent nearly 30 years involved with message forums (through Bulletin Boards and Internet) in one form or another and have learned to take people online image with a grain of salt.

According to everything I have been reading, it is not as easy as just walking into the court house and saying I want this kid to be mine. Petitions must be filed and agreed to by all parties, the court must approve it. If it is approved, full custodial rights falls to the guardian and that also happens to include the tax deduction that comes with it. If the parent who has relinquished their custodial rights tries to claim this child in any way on their taxes, they are committing yet another crime and this time it's FEDERAL. Doesn't sound like it is worth all the trouble to me..

Sure, let's move the district lines around and charge $50 a month to someone who lives out of county. You can bet the very next morning, someone will file a lawsuit claiming discrimination because little Joey gets to ride the bus while Mr. Jones has to cart little Mark back and forth all the way from Jonesboro. That $50 won't even be enough to cover the costs of that bus for a single day. I'd say $2,000 a month sounds a little more reasonable.

As I said before, there are "LEGAL" methods for an out of area kid to attend our schools (FYI, I have been told that this is a state law not local policy) and if someone really wants their kid to attend our schools then follow the rules. It is not only illegal and unfair to local taxpayers but it is teaching our children that stealing and lying is OK.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 8:53pm.

"Let me add this, I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE LEGALS WAYS????? which a child (whose parent/guardian is....NOT... a FCBOE employee)AND WHO RESIDES IN ANOTHER DISTRICT/COUNTY CAN ATTEND...OUR????SCHOOLS???? (or any public school system in the state of Georgia for that matter) BUT THAT INVOLVES PERMISSION FROM THE SCHOOL AND BOARD OF EDUCATION AND I BELIEVE IT DOES CARRY A ....SMALL COST???? My problem is now and will always be with the person who is to lazy to do it by the books and chooses to violate the law. I find it very hard to believe that you would support someone breaking the law..."

I WOULD LIKE TO BOE TO EXPLAIN THIS//!!!! IF THEY KNOW THIS...THEN WHY THE F%%%%5 DID WE BUILD ...MORE SCHOOLS?

I WOULD REALLY LIKE MS LOUD MOUTH SMOAL TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US.

WHY ALL THESE TAXES WASTED FOR MORE SCHOOLS THAT ARE FILLED BY OUT OF COUNTY KIDS?


Submitted by mcg on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 7:11pm.

I have a question about the amount of tuition reimbursement that the school system has received. According to this article, there have been 51 students withdrawn from the system. I believe that it costs $7000- $8000 per year to educate 1 student. That means that for 1 semester, each student would owe at least $3500. If you multiply that by 51 students, that amounts to around $178,500. Even if these students only attended for the first 9 weeks, that comes to around $89,000. So why has the school system only collected $5100, and contracted for $11,000 more, for a total of $16,000, which is far less than these students have cost us?

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 8:37am.

Our school board spends roughly $200 million a year to educate 22,000 students. That's an average of $9,000 per student. But roughly half of our school board's income comes from the state and federal governments. So that leaves $4,500 funded by the local Fayette taxpayers. Our school system provides about 40 weeks of education a year. That makes the cost per week to be reimbursed by outsiders unfairly using our system about $112 each.

Let's not forget the state of Georgia pays half of our school system costs. (Of course, BOE member Janet Smola would argue that the other half is being paid by all the outside people who come to Fayette County to shop and pay our local sales tax.)


Submitted by mcg on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 9:22am.

Mapleleaf, I don't know if your figures are correct or not -- I really don't think that the federal and state government pay half of the cost to educate our students, but I could be wrong. However, even using your figure of $112 a week per student, the amount of money to educate those 51 students for 9 weeks would amount to roughly $51,400, or over $100,000 for a full semester. That is far more than the roughly $16,000 we are supposedly going to be reimbursed.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 11:10am.

Is it even worth it? If you assume that the 16k is coming from all 51 students and not just the first 10 or 11, then that only comes down to $300.00 per student. What happens when someone refuses to pay? Does it become a civil matter? How much does it cost to run down the money from someone who isn't willing to pay? In the end it would probably be more cost effective to make examples of these families and to prosecute them as criminals. Because to be honest, the addition of one student does not literally add $8,000 to a schools expense column.


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 9:01pm.

why aren't they collecting those amounts? What a joke on the taxpayers..do you want me to tell you what % of your property taxese are for the schools? 73% ...If that doesn't make you angry knowing that we should have collected closer to $178,000, than $16,000...that someone.. agreed ...to pay? That is insane..

and then fluffy bear writes...you can go to school here no mater where you live if you just follow the rules? WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS FAYETTE COUNTY TAXPAYERS ARE TO PAY THESE KIND OF TAXES TO BUILD HALF FILLED SCHOOLS SO THE BOE CAN GIVE PERMISSION FOR OUT OF COUNTY KIDS TO COME HERE! I'M SO SICK OF THIS DAM PLACE AND THE SLEEZE THAT GOES ON HERE...IT IS BAD ENOUGH TO KNOW ABOUT IT...BUT TO PAY FOR IT?


Submitted by AtHomeGym on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 7:32pm.

Can't resist asking just who this "contract" is with for this $11,000 reimbursement>

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