Fayette schools: What are costs of being ‘special’?

Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:48pm
By: Ben Nelms

Answers: $16.2 million in 300 locally funded positions; 100 extra bus drivers, lots of non-state-paid parapros; 5th-grade band at every elementary school

What, specifically, is it that makes the Fayette County School System “special,” a description used many times during painful budget-cutting deliberations at the Board of Education during the past year?

The board has taken a firm position that the last thing they would want to cut are the things that have for years set Fayette apart from so many other school systems.

What sets Fayette apart is largely based in more than 300 classroom positions along with supplemental program staff and even a large percentage of bus drivers for which the state provides no funding, according to interviews with and documents provided by Superintendent John DeCotis and his administrative staff.

The increased staffing in various programs comes with a cost — more than $16 million this budget year.

DeCotis said last week that it is largely the additional staffing provided in numerous capacities across the school system that accounts for much of the academic excellence that makes Fayette different from many other school systems in Georgia. And it is this staffing that is not covered by state Quality Basic Education (QBE), he said.

Human Resources Director Reanee Ellis provided a long list of the things that set Fayette apart from the average school system in Georgia.

Those include the following:

• Fifth-grade band at each elementary school

• Orchestra

• Full-time parapros in each first-grade class

• Full-time parapros in each kindergarten class

• At least two students fewer than the state maximum class size average

• Full-time counselors in each elementary school

• A full-time nurse in each school

• A technology/computer teacher in each elementary school

• A full range of connections classes

• High school writing lab and high school foreign language lab parapros

• In-school suspension teachers at each elementary school

• Music and art teachers at each elementary school

• Smaller music, choral, physical education and vocational classes at all schools

• Additional remedial classes

• Additional advanced placement classes

• Textbook adoption each year

• A large range of academic and extra-curricular programs.

Some of the academic and extra-curricular programs that require locally-funded supplemental staff include debate, newspaper, science olympiad, fine arts, academic bowl, grade chairpersons, science, math, health, gifted, team leaders, language, Local Education Agency representatives, arts, social studies, Saturday school, video production, drama, chorus, detention, strings, STEP team, dance, flag corps, drama, annual staff, teacher leaders and numerous athletic endeavors such as assistant and head coaches for basketball, track, football, lacrosse, wrestling, baseball, soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball, cheerleading and swimming.

The combined, non-QBE-funded cost of supplemental staff at $1,352,731, along with the non-funded teachers and parapros at $12,631,000 and the non QBE-funded portion of bus drivers pay totaling $2,300,000 adds up to $16,283,731.

Board members and school system administrators often cite the approximately 300 classroom positions that include no funding whatsoever by the state Department of Education.

While some positions are funded totally or partly through various federal programs, the large majority of non-QBE positions in Fayette are funded only through local sources such as property tax revenue.

In all, Fayette local revenue pays $12,631,000 for a total of 304 classroom positions.

Of the 1,538 classroom teachers employed by the Fayette school system, nearly 171 of those are non-QBE funded, according to Comptroller Laura Brock.

And of those, almost 38 are funded through other state or federal sources, leaving a little more than 133 teaching positions that are paid only through local revenue sources.

Using the figure supplied by Brock of $65,000 as an average for salary and benefits, the locally funded teaching positions this year cost $8,869,000.

In the classroom, Fayette employs a total of 320 parapros of which 68 are QBE-funded and 81 are federally-funded special education positions.

That leaves a balance of 171 parapro positions that are locally funded, according to information supplied by Brock.

At an approximate cost of $22,000 for salary and benefits, Fayette is paying $3,762,000 from local tax revenues for those extra positions.

The $1,352,731 for supplemental staff includes chairpersons, extracurricular and coaching positions in the programs.

Ellis noted that costs for each program area are difficult to specifically determine since the state does not assign funding to individual people or an individual school but, rather, to the type of employee. For example, the state may fund 100 kindergarten teachers but Fayette may employee 125, Ellis said.

Yet another aspect of public education that sets Fayette apart is the distance between bus stops. Georgia pays for school buses to stop every 1.5 miles, yet Fayette school buses stop every half-mile. On a related topic, Brock said the system received $1.78 million last year in funding for transportation yet the school system spent $7.142 million.

And while not related to classroom instruction, Brock said Fayette has 199 bus driver positions, although the state funds only 92, and at a 50 percent rate. With salary and benefits a bus driver’s compensation totals approximately $16,000, Brock said. This represents a total of approximately $2.3 million paid through local sources for extra bus drivers.

While they represent the majority of staffing costs and number of employees, classroom positions are not the only ones in the school system that are not funded, either in part or in whole, by QBE dollars. There are approximately eight school-based administrative positions that are not funded by the state.

Fayette has 29 principals but is funded for only 28. Fayette has 44 assistant principals and is funded for only 37 of those slots.

Of the positions funded by QBE, those salaries are only partially covered by state dollars. For example, the state funds a base salary of $51,561 for principals and provides an additional $30,000 for education and experience, yet many principals average $100,000 or more in salary. The difference is paid for with local tax dollars.

The situation is similar for assistant principals. Figures provided for the 2008-2009 school year showed assistant principals ranging from approximately $68,000-$90,000. State QBE dollars pay for a base of $42,947 with an additional $25,500 for experience and education. The difference again comes from local tax money.

Central office administrative positions are a mixed bag when it comes to QBE funding. Those positions are not easily separated out in terms of what makes Fayette special, DeCotis said, because the school system does not break down central office administrators by the program.

In terms of pay, QBE funds $82,197 for the superintendent, though DeCotis makes about $187,000 in salary alone, a difference of over $100,000. That difference of more than $104,000 is funded through local tax dollars.

According to state calculations, Fayette earns six assistant superintendents, although Fayette currently employs just two. QBE covers approximately $82,000 in salary.

Similarly with central office Special Education Leaders, Fayette earns 10 of those positions but currently employs three. QBE pays approximately $68,500 of those salaries. As for the remaining 20 upper administrative positions in central office, QBE pays no portion of those salaries. Instead all 20 are funded with local tax dollars.

In a related matter, Brock’s figures show that the school system in 2009-2010 depends on local revenues for 50.7 percent of its budget and 49.3 percent from the state. State funding in recent years has decreased in terms of the percentage of budget dollars received. The state no longer funds 60 percent of the budget that it once did, Brock said.

Additionally, state cuts have amounted to $25-30 million in the past few years, school officials have often stated.

The state also takes five mills off the top of the property tax rate to go to economically disadvantaged schools systems around the state. Referred to as the “local five mills,” the cost to Fayette this year will be approximately $25 million, Brock said.

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Submitted by jmatthews on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 9:53pm.

Who pays for the bloated staff of curriculum directors? Who pays for the 2 [overpaid] directors of school improvement and professional learning? The superintendent never mentions how much extra money Fayette spends to employ these people. Teachers will quickly tell you that those central office personnel create work for faculty members. They do so in order to "justify" their own positions.

Submitted by driftwood on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 7:09pm.

In regards to county level employees...I have asked this in a previous post but will ask again, has anyone noticed the new FCBOE website? On the old site, if I recall, there was a listing of ALL county level personnel… you could actually find names and I do believe contact information. Well, guess what, not anymore…or at least I couldn’t find a listing. Perhaps someone with better skills at maneuvering websites than me can. To “contact” the FCBOE, you go through their public information officer. There are, however, email links for board members provided. My point in all this? Do they purposely not want us to know how many employees are located at the County Offices? Do they think we are that stupid... we all know that the county office is way bloated with curriculum directors, etc..."they" get rid of the "problem" school administrators and personnel by promoting them to the county office... raise in rank, raise in pay probably... and as jmatthews stated, "Teachers will quickly tell you that those central office personnel create work for faculty members. They do so in order to "justify" their own positions."

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 5:59am.

Well we sure wouldn't want anyone to "work!"

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Submitted by grassroots on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 3:32pm.

Just give them the WFB money for new cheerleader uniforms, driving lessons, a football dome with a large screen and narrow down the class size to whatever it takes to fill up the empty school. I'm serious, anything but that stupid bypass.


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Submitted by Gene61 on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 2:02pm.

Guess we should just cut the funding, Stop all sports and activites and just let the kids run the streets and play video games all day! Given the school population, having more Asst available is not a bad thing.

geeze...


Submitted by PghSteelers on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 8:09am.

Reanee Ellis should know about the bloat in the budget. Her HR department is the poster child for bloat. Talk about overstaffed! Take a look at similarly sized private companies and you will find staffs half the size with far better efficiency.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 6:27am.

you left two of the same people in office that created the bloat. The warning on overspending in 08 had already turned to a code red, yet they ignored it and kept gambling on the future.

Unless you take the people ...out...in the elections, you will have more of the same. I feel all the teachers were duped into voting for SPLOST. Now they are seeing what the rest of us already knew. The problem is with the judgement of the BOE.


Submitted by g8trgrl on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 7:26pm.

In reading this article I get the feeling that these are the things that used to make the county "special". At least some of it is federally funded - can't take that away yet! Also, is there really an ISS person at each ELEMENTARY school? Yikes - what is this county coming to?

20 positions at the LEC funded by local tax dollars only? Wow!

Lastly, I can honestly say - I have enjoyed the schools in this county, but do not have faith I will be able to say that much longer with the way things are going. I just hope to get my kids through school here before it all tanks.

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 6:04pm.

The Truth: THEY DON'T WANT TO CUT PROGRAMS BECAUSE PARENTS WILL COMPLAIN AND THEY WILL BE EXPOSED. As long as they only cut the teachers pay and force them to absorb all the losses then who cares?

The Truth:

Your top quality families, the quality of your kids, the high socio-economic standard of living, the plethora of resources these kids have and the emphasis placed on education in the home along with the best educated and most professionally able teachers in the state are what makes the Fayette System top notch. And it is slipping fast thanks to the lack of understanding that the clowns at the school board and central office have continuously exhibited.

All of the smoke and mirrors and defensive hogwash listed in the article above are simply ways for the Human Resources department, the Superintendent, and the bloated Central Office to avoid admitting that the pay cuts, the furloughs and the subsequent loss of a huge number of the teachers will lead to the demise of the system at the hands of these incompetent boobs. Do the personnel listed above help? Yes. Are they the reason for the success of the system - are you kidding me?

Do you actually think that you are the only system in the nation who figured out how to build a successful system? Do you think if you shipped that 16.2 million in personnel to say, South Fulton or South Dekalb they would become the best in the state? Ha! What a bunch of arrogant dolts.

The morale among teachers in your county is at ROCK BOTTOM. I have seen so many applications coming in from Fayette county to Coweta and Henry this year that it astounds me. Mark my words - every single one of you will know a teacher who has helped build this system in to the success it is that leaves, or attempts to leave, and then leaves when things are more stable and they can. They have been taken for granted and treated like cattle for wayyyyy too long. The almighty county office and school board needs to remember they are well educated and intelligent adults and they do not need Fayette or the placating and condescending banter of the county office fat cats. The truth is, they are all more valuable than the easily replaceable nincompoops trolling along in the central office. The truth is, Fayette needs them. They can work anywhere.

You know something? It's not just the largest pay-cuts in the state. Not at all but rather it's the lack of respect for the best teachers in the state, and the slap in the faces they endure daily like the expensive new computer system shoved down their throats while they are simultaneously being furloughed (Infinite Campus) (and how about those millions spent on defunct computer leases? lol) and the expensive new Assessment Instrument coming and the tens of thousands spent on it, or the constant talk of extending the work schedule and changing the successful six period day format that made your county tops, it could even be those upcoming additional furloughs they keep hearing about, or the expectation that they will and should work on those furlough days to enter grades and supervise sports and extra-curricular activities, and on and on and on ... and those tasty tidbits along with the largest pay-cuts in the state that is really making your teachers scatter like dust in the wind.

People- you better hear me. You better fire the whole lot of them; the Comptroller (that can't), the incompetent Human Resources Director that is literally the joke of the county who has over hired since day one. The "NAACP man of the year" and step and fetch it Superintendent that is in over his head in every possible way. And certainly last but never least the entire archaic school board that has taken advice from the afore mentioned buffoons (who were hired from Atlanta Public Schools (to their great joy and our demise)), Fulton County and Clayton County that have amazingly managed to take good old Clayton County right out of the news and replace it with what was once the finest system in the state.

Folks- they just DON'T GET IT. Fire them all. Otherwise, move to Clayton County - the taxes are lower there.

Submitted by totellthetruth on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 5:23pm.

How much is the school system spending on non state funded administration, ie, central office administrators, assistant principals,secretarial staff?

It is interesting that we never seem to look at the fluff and padding of the central office, it makes me wonder what they are trying to hide?

Wouldn't it be more equitable to look at these positons for reduction before cutting from what directly impacts instruction?

Submitted by normal on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 5:50pm.

For goodness sakes. How many assistant do you need. They can be cut by half. Usually about 4 assitant principals to one principal. Some one is not working. No way is there that much work to be done. Can a couple and put the extra load on who is left and if they dont like it, Replace them. And leave the teachers alone. And finally 5th grade band is more important than sports. If you need to save, keep the bands and cut a sport or 2 in middle and high school. Especially the ones that no one attends. Or make the athletes families pay for the pleasure of being in that sport. Gosh if we had the fair tax in place we would not have any problems.

Submitted by hsh87 on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 10:30am.

I can tell you first hand that bus drivers do not make $16,000/year, try $10,000 and that is after 6 years. Second, I don't know why there is an in school suspension teacher in all elementary schools - seriously! Get rid of Saturday school, no need when you have in school suspension and detention. Regarding sports, I believe the band supports the athletic teams at games, but I didn't know there was any funding for this. My son wanted to play football and because of the cost that was quoted to me because " they received absolutely no funding", he couldn't play. The cost was outrageous, way more than rec ball. So seems to me someone needs to check out the numbers in this article again, they are not all correct. And I can also tell you first hand, we may have 2 less students than are allowed in each class - who cares what is allowed, Fayette did dupe the teachers - I wish every board member and our beloved super would go sit in my daughter's 4th grade class for one day - bet they would get those numbers reduced back to a normal class size real fast or get her teacher some help, paid help.

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Submitted by G35 Dude on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 6:28pm.

"the non QBE-funded portion of bus drivers pay totaling $2,300,000"

If you read the article one of the statements in the first paragraph states that these programs require an extra 100 bus drivers. Read on and later you find the above statement. Well $2.3 million divided by 100 is $23,000. And I do believe that you are correct as to bus drivers making $10-$11K.


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Submitted by aliquando on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:12pm.

The students already pay for athletics and other extra - curricular activities. Some fees range well over $1,000. It is not he way it was when we were in high school.


Submitted by Dondol on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 8:14pm.

You must not have any kids in middle school or high school because you sure are showing your ignorance. It cost each kid that plays high school football on the average about $1,000.00 per season to participate. And before you start telling me about how important band is, I already know, I have 2 kids in band/marching band and that cost over $700.00 per year. Please do some homework before you start typing.

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 6:18pm.

You are kidding....right? You said "5th grade band is more important than sports." That's a joke isn't it?

If you have a seven minute band performance Friday night at Whitewater but no football game how many people do you think will show up? Maybe they need each other? Duh? A huge band is what, 200 kids? All the sports in a high school is about what? 600?

How do you think all of those other programs are funded? By the band? Maybe by....football? Duh.

And you have assumed that four or five administrators to manage 120 or more teachers, a cafeteria staff, the school transportation, and about one thousand five hundred kids is just too many?

You are a board member aren't you..... you are...come on....you can tell us.... which board member are you?

Submitted by boxwing on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 9:57pm.

As a former 15 year HS coach and a former HS band booster treasurer I can tell you that football pays for nothing but football. Our band booster budget was $70k all generated by parent comtributions, running band competitions, and fundraisers. The other sports raise their own operating funds also. Duh.

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 5:38pm.

Most other sports are lucky if the can pay their travel costs (yes the county charges the schools in Fayette) and referees much less new uniforms for multiple teams (Boys, girls, JV, etc.), coaching clinic fees, equipment, uniforms, field maintenance, etc., etc..

Football in fact contributes to ALL of the other athletic expenses through the athletic budget (many schools have an average gate on Friday night of about 10k) and still falls well short of funding the total athletic expenses leaving parents to pay the rest through fees and fundraisers.

As for your band fantasy, the number one fund raiser for band is concession income in your county from... you guessed it ... FOOTBALL game concessions and you get 100% of those (nearly unheard of elsewhere by the way). The remainder of band costs are paid by fees and then booster clubs.

The average football concession for a five game season in the two counties beside you exceed $50,000 per year. And you know what? I would venture to say that without that annoying three hour football game going on your band wouldn't make anything in concessions. Did you say DUH?

You know 'boxwing' IF you did coach at the high school level you certainly didn't know anything about the funding in your athletic programs. You are probably just an underpaid pilot and a Blue Devil dad who just thought you were a coach, and a lay coach at that. "Go wildcats, right?"

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Submitted by Fyt35 on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 7:05pm.

The gate goes to the general fund, the concession goes to the band,etc. Football has the most difficulty raising funds of any sport, it is my personal experience.

P.S. That avatar is a home run!


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 7:36pm.

During my four years as a band parent at FCHS, the agreement was the "gate" went to the football team and the concession went to the band.

From my perspective, the football team and the band are always winners in my book. I can't catch a ball or run fast nor march and play an instrument. I was however, so happy to have been a part of that experience.

Go Tigers!!!
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Submitted by aliquando on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:14pm.

If not us, then who?


Submitted by MacTheKnife on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 5:51pm.

And in Fayette and Coweta they supplement a plethora of other athletic programs. Of course some people still think swimming, golf, tennis, wrestling, soccer and others pay their own expenses by selling tickets. Ignorance abounds my friend.

Football is king for a reason: "Money Talks and Boxwing walks."

Submitted by bluesky on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 5:44pm.

It seems,according to Ben Nelms, that it looks like what's way overfunded is the classroom (by hundreds of teachers), not the central office. That's fine by me. And please, don't be messing with my kids' bus stop. Good golly going through that again would be miserable. We parents like not having to drop our kids off a mile and a half away from home. I'm not about to let my 3rd grader walk a mile and a half without adult supervision.

Submitted by wildman on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 8:28am.

Therein lies a big problem! You "adults" could supervise your local kids as they walk(OMG) a short distance to a local school bus stop & cut the need for hundreds of buses clogging streets. But you require a bus to stop in front of each house!!

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Submitted by Gene61 on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 1:59pm.

Let me get the BS meter out now, so I check the chart to see if thats a record!.. Sorry, my kids don't get curb side service, only ones I know of is the special needs children. Mine are standing in the weather waiting for the bus and have to walk a bit of a distance to get home.

Please, could one of the reasons we have so many drivers be the simple fact some homes are still in areas that are of the beaten path? Fayette still has some widely spread out homes in some areas. Perhaps if the transportation dept did a better job of monitoring the buses and how they are used off hours, maybe the transportation budget would be cut for fuel funding.Its so nice to see buses at Kroger or where ever being used to haul the drivers daily shopping around.


Submitted by heatjam on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 9:11pm.

Not to beat a dead horse, but had the redistricting been done with the use of any brains, buses wouldn't be passing each other on their ways to different elementary schools.
I am so being vindicated!

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Sat, 11/07/2009 - 10:52am.

and now YOUR transportation director and system look like them. Duh.

Had the Clayton County director you hired set the routes up correctly and efficiently there could be big savings there as well.

You guys hired so many people from outside of your system (especially from Clayton County), and a human resources "czar" from Atlanta that you are now a reflection of those bastians of those models of educational incompetence.

In the past an incompetent school board could just 'go along' with the Comptroller, Human Resources Director, and Superintendents with little or now cause for concern....but guess what ... now you have given total control to a group of incompetent imported failed system "czars" and the dinosaurs on school board are completely lost.

The next board and subsequently hired superintendent needs to CLEAN HOUSE in your county office if you hope to see stability or improvement in your system. Otherwise, look for max-exodus and a continued decline of the once finest system in the state.

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