Vote at the PTC Library Monday

Please vote down the SPLOST.

We are headed for a few years yet of high unemployment and should not burden the taxpayers with this bill for numerous years.

It is imperative that soon our representatives realize that they MUST cut spending at the state and local levels.

The Federal level was so fouled in every category that a few trillion there must be spent or we will need to lay-off half of our local tax paid employees along with the expenses other than salaries and fringes. Education may even have to be put on hold a few years!

We have enough cheating by white collars and thievery by everyone without setting up a worse situation and create more of it.

Unemployment will be here at least 2-3 years yet at 15-25% actual (counting all)and the wars aren't going to end soon and the banks will be one-half in number and mostly broke for sometime yet.
Loans will be difficult to get for working people.

Don't add another 160,000,000 dollars or so.

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Submitted by ginga1414 on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:01pm.

I am pleased to know that PTCGOIL doesn't miss the tax money we have all been shelling out for the past five years. However, there are some folks who have to stand in line at the grocery store and count their pennies to see if they will have enough to buy a gallon of milk for their children after they pay for the current SPLOST. I'm sure those folks would be extremely happy to know they won't have to worry about having that little bit extra to buy milk, shoes and clothes for a growing family. That little bit of money might be a big thing to some folks. There are people in Fayette County who aren't as fortunate as PTCGOIL.

There are, also, people in Fayette County who are trying to safe what they worked a lifetime to build. They are having to fight for their homes and property because our commissioners decided to spend current SPLOST money on building a road they can't justify instead of spending it to maintain the roads we already have. Therefore, our commissioners are out asking to extend the SPLOST another six years and another $137,000,000.

I guess unless you have received a notice in the mail saying the county is going to build a four lane road through the middle of your front yard, you just can't understand. I guess unless you have been on the receiving end of a commissioners snide, smug, unfeeling comments when you ask them a perfectly logical question concerning your property and the West Fayetteville Bypass, you just can't understand. I think PTCGOIL and a very few other folks just need to "walk a mile in other people's shoes" before they can understand. I hold no ill will toward PTCGOIL and others. I just think they have their priorities skewed. I've lived in Fayetteville since we only had one traffic light, one high school, one grocery store, a historic pecan orchard and the Dairy Queen. Now, we have much more than that. And, as I observed today we still have three of those historic pecan trees still standing in little plots in the parking lot of a shopping center. I wonder just how long they will survive in those little plots! It is extremely sad having to watch as a beautiful county is destroyed bit by bit
all in the name of money and SPLOST.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 7:00pm.

I agree with the the comments below. Have not missed the tax money for the last 5 years, will not miss it for the next 6, either. Nope, the projects are not perfect, but there IS some much needed work money available in there for other projects that NEED to get done.

And, please, if the ballot or the SPLOST detail is just too much for you, for the amount of time it takes ANY of those below to comment or complain about it , they could have gone to the Fayette County website and right on the home page is a link to print it out and read it before you get to the voting booth. How hard or informative would that have been for those who just feel it is too wordy? Also, if it was NOT detailed, you would be whining that the commissioners are covering it up again and not telling us what it is to be used for.

And, last, do I need to really point out the overall EASE and simplicity this whole voting process is? And, yet, we'll be lucky to have 30% of the actual registered voters turn out for it. Forget how few of the actual eligible residents who haven't even bothered to register to vote.

Is anyone going to stop you on your way and threaten your life for this? Do you have to walk to vote? Do you fear retaliation in any way for the fact that you do vote, much less who/what you vote for?
And on and on....finally, get yourself over to China and you won't ever have to worry your little head about any of this, you just don't get to vote, period.

Count your blessings.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 7:17pm.

Speaking in metaphors--A frog jumps out of a boiling pot of water if introduced at boiling. A frog will cook though if the heat is slowly raised while he is in the pot. Just because I am "used to" the level of taxation over the past six years does not mean I should let it continue. And the raising millage point for me is lost as I get to vote on this one. I may get stuck with a higher millage, but I can fight that in the election cycles. I am making do with less spending. Government needs to be disciplined to do likewise.

Submitted by lion on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 4:12pm.

Everyone should do the right thing and vote YES on SPLOST.

The revenue will allow a few things to get done to make our county an even better place to live. What is wrong with that? Without the SPLOST money those things will not get done.

It is not a tax increase--the sales tax will remain the same as it is now. The one-cent tax on the dollar is not much. Have we all missed that penny?

The projects funded will put a few more people to work right here in our county.


Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 10/27/2009 - 7:13am.

You have to be a teacher or a tax paid employee or a contractor.

The penny you discuss will go on the books as about 160,000,000 dollars over the life of the SPLOST.

Think what we could do with that somewhere else----like health care and for hungry people!

It is also a tax and I'll bet you are a Libertarian---opposed to taxes!

Submitted by lion on Tue, 10/27/2009 - 5:00pm.

Bonkers; I am not a "teacher or a tax paid employee or a contractor".

So what has that to do with SPLOST?

What are you? A grumpy old man? Someone living in your parents' basement forever? I do not know nor do I care.

I am not a Libertarian? Are you? Neither one of us would probably want to confess to that fantasy philosophy.

I am a pragmatist. I want to solve problems. Sometimes paying more taxes allows us to improve our lives or solve problems.

And to other opponents of SPLOST: Grievances over past SPLOST should not keep anyone from voting for the new SPLOST.

And I doubt if anyone in Fayette County would use their few pennies from SPLOST to provide health care to others.

Those few pennies not paid to SPLOST would probably be used at Starbucks or for the Georgia Lottery.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:44pm.

When you pull up the SPLOST ballot on your voting machine, you will be offered a long, long, long, long sentence that could take you a long time to read. And it does not end on that page, because you’ll encounter a box at the bottom which tells you that the RACE is continued on the next page.

If you go to NASCAR races, horse races, or even the little pig races at the Georgia National Fair in Perry, GA, or other county fairs, that will throw you for a loop. You’re racing against time here trying to get done with this and go home, and these idiots try to make you read way way too much stuff.

Anyway, you click on NEXT at the bottom of the first page and find another page full of more gobbledygook, but mercifully, at the end, you can press on YES or NO.

Then of course, you get to review what you’ve just done on the next page, where everything is condensed to SPLOST extension, and you can confirm your vote and go home.

Desperate men do desperate things. I have never seen a ballot so long for just a simple Yes or No question. No doubt someone is hoping we’ll read this for the first time and find at least one thing we like that will make us agree to six more years of sales tax.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:04pm.

First thing one runs into at the PTC library is that one must enter in the rear---but there was a sign saying that the road to the rear was closed and several trucks, etc., were in the road.
Next one can then backtrack all the way around the whole center and find your way back (no signs) to the entrance door for voting--one half hidden sign inside the door that said, "vote in the Floy Foy room.
Last time I checked his name was Floy Farr!

Now first one see all kinds of signs now for city elections municipal elections and county-wide elections. Then you are asked to sit down and fill out a long form for city election and another similar one for County election. One must write the same info about birth dates addresses, etc., four times on the two forms. I think I signed them four times. also. And printed my name.

Then you are asked for a picture ID for both forms and get signed off to vote. Then get up take one form to the city person, it is checked and put into a computer by hand clicking and then a voting card is given you. Then you can go vote in the city election.
When you return the voting card, then you can re-register again at the county person and then go vote again at different machines. Then return the second card. Took about 20 minutes with no line.
Won't no Mexicans and other minorities who speak little English gonna git through that!
It seems to get worse every year--even in an off-year election (just for the benefit of the SPLOST)--which would never pass in a general election.

There must be some idiocy or general shame somewhere there!

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:44pm.

The voting procedure is indeed horrendous, and nobody is changing it. It’s always the same. Election officials (from Karen Handel) on down don’t realize that our entering our address twice, in handwriting, on the preliminary voting form, and then our date of birth twice, plus the official date of the election (Nov. 3) and other extraneous information is a big waste of time and effort.

What is needed, of course, is a magnetic strip on the back of our driver’s licenses, that provides all this information. You swipe the card as you go in, and you get a form like an airline boarding pass with the precinct and everything else needed written on it, plus your magnetic card for the voting machine. And you go vote.

Our election system was designed by mental midgets. Not an ounce of practical sense in these people.

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Submitted by grassroots on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:49am.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:31pm.

what kind os affect would the 2008 splost have on the bypass project? Do they need it? Or is the money from the last splost enough?

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