There is no "Kenyan birth certificate an Australian man had posted on a genealogy web site". No Australian man posted a Kenyan birth certificate online. There is however a Kenyan birth certificate which allegedly is based on that of a South Australian man -- called the Bomford template document. A blogger has claimed to be able to fake the embossed seal using a 2-shilling coin. But, this only shows the first document Orly Taitz had needs forensic scrutiny.

Taitz has another, more recently acquired document, the Lucas Smith "footprint" BC. Which is a first generation photocopy of an original Kenyan BC. An affidavit of sorts indicating existence of an original, held in custody of the Kenyan Government. A first generation photocopy won't show details of a footprint, but it has a blue ink stamp, indicating it is not a second generation copy.

An AXJ member was cooperating with the FBI on the passport matter and he was found dead in his car with a bullet in his head. Explain that one.

I am a member of AXJ and value the truth above all else. Join us now.

Also just got fined $20,000 by a Fed Judge for repeatederroneous filings in the "birther" issue.

Please cite your references.

If you don't believe my post do your own research. I didn 't just invent the info.

I didn't say I didn't believe your post, I just asked for references. It's not up to me to research your statement that you can't back up. There's too much of these wild statements that people make that they can't back up. The author of the fact is the one who suppose to provide where he/she got the facts from. As it now stands, you have made a statement that you cannot back up.

It involves a judge right here in good ole' Georgia...a Bush appointee no less!

COLUMBUS, Ga. (AP) -- A federal judge in Georgia fined a leader of the movement challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship and warned her against using the legal system to pursue ''political rhetoric and insults.''

U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land's scathing 43-page order Tuesday said California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz filed ''frivolous'' litigation and attempted to misuse the federal courts to push a political agenda.

Taitz, a leader of the so-called birther movement, sued in Georgia federal court on behalf of Army Capt. Connie Rhodes. Rhodes sought to avoid deployment to Iraq by claiming Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and that he was ''an illegal usurper, unlawful pretender and unqualified impostor.''

Documents show the president was born in Hawaii.

Land, appointed in 2001 by President George W. Bush, had already dismissed the lawsuit, but Taitz continued filing motions. He said he fined her $20,000 ''as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct and to protect the integrity of the court.''

''The absolute absence of any legitimate legal argument, combined with the political diatribe in her motions, demonstrates that Ms. Taitz's purpose is to advance a political agenda and not to pursue a legitimate legal cause of action,'' Land wrote.

He added that while Taitz's speech is protected by the First Amendment, ''the federal courts are reserved for hearing genuine legal disputes, not as a platform for political rhetoric and insults.''

Taitz told The Daily Report that Land's order is ''an absolute outrage.''

''All I can say is that this order is issued with a goal to intimidate me, harass me and retaliate against me for bringing a legitimate action on behalf of my client,'' she said.

Thanx, Bowser

Visit: thepostnemail.wordpress.com. Go to Recent Articles and scroll down to Editorial: Oct. 14, 2009 - Judge Clay D. Land's Delirium.

Plus more articles and videos about the Kenyan born Obama.

Yes the Republicans needs lots of wins in 2010 to stabilize Congress and neuter this out of control rookie President - just like 1994.

But to dream about a birth certificate scandal is really a waste of time. If the Kenyan birth certificate this attorney filed with the court is real it would have leaked years ago. Besides, you don't file things with the court way ahead of time. If he had that would have leaked as well. Quit dreaming about something silly and work to get rid of Prezbo's enablers in Congress.

I don't believe a Republican majority is reachable, but I'd settle for some more sensible Democrats. Don't care if they want to have abortions, just focus on some financial responsibility and stop drinking the Kool Aid.

In your dreams.

by plane or boat.

walk on water as a baby. That's how he done it! So he could save the world.

He arrived by submarine in the middle of the night!
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The Facts About The Certificate

As I've already stated. I supplied this same type "short form" BC to my insurance company to verify my son as a dependent. It was rejected. I was required to supply the long form BC. Yet you and many others readily accept it for a president that hides so much already. And as I've also already stated if Obama ever claimed citizenship in another country he lost his natural born status (if he ever had it) and eligibility to be president. Many believe that he did just that. Get it?

Presidential candidates have an obligation to show that they meet Constitutional requirements. That's all I ask. Show us the freaking birth certificate! Not the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. THE REAL THING!!!!! This issue is not going away. I believe it will have to be answered in court. I love how people who simply want the law to be followed get called names like "birthers" from the likes of Chris Matthews, etc. I think because BO had a father who was not from here, he has a special obligatgion to show where he was from. I can't believe that anyone in this country is not a little bit suspicious about BO's evasiveness.

CAVEAT: Please pay close attention to semantics.
When FactCheck claims they "saw, held, examined the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE", what they actual saw, held and examined, is the AUTHENTIC AND GENUINE CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. Did you catch the difference? Notice how I embellished that statement with big words like "authentic and genuine"? You see in truth, FactCheck, never got near even a copy of the Barack Obama, birth certificate (the document signed by doctors, and stamped as it was processed, and filed. So, although FactCheck, tells the truth, they tell a parallel, but misleading truth. BTW -- Check to see how your state records births and what sort of birth certificates are issued and do not let them give you a computer generated false record.

Find the Lucas Smith "footprint" BC.
Google Maps "coast general hospital mombasa"
That's the new name of (1961) Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, on Mombasa Island, Mombasa, Kenya. On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain's Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty). Mombasa Island, was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.

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You do realize that the picture will change when you change your profile picture? Also, I would suggest that this is offensive for obvious reasons. If it should be covered in public, why are you posting it on this site?

That picture was not what you thought it was. It was an optical illusion. you made it where I couldn not get on here anymore. That was not right and it was gestapo like. Just because I support our president and will fight for him you wingnuts do what you can to silecen people like me. Look what you did to Kevin King and that other guy. you cant shut us up by blocking our free speech.

"That picture was not what you thought it was. It was an optical illusion. You made it where I couldn’t get on here anymore. That was not right and it was Gestapo like. Just because I support our president and will fight for him you wing nuts do what you can to silence people like me. Look what you did to Kevin King and that other guy. You can’t shut us up by blocking our free speech."

Now you don't sound like the IDIOT that you are..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

I am awake and have never used the term "Ruby Ridge" but I am proud to be a BIRTHER and I would hope that anyone who cares about the Constitution of our once great country would be too.

You are forgetting that this so called "conspiracy" did not have to run for decades only for the last couple of years - when people began to ask questions. And the Birthers may be spending thousands of dollars in legal fees to try to get him to produce it - but Obama has spent over ONE MILLION dollars to keep his records private. I have not asked an Obama supporter yet, including my own sister, who has been able to give me an answer as to why he does not want to release these documents. Your answer, to torment the Right is a weak answer, considering the amount of money and trouble spent, common sense says there is something there that he does not want the American public to see. I would want him to release it if I supported him! The Constitution is more important than the President, unless you are the arrogant ONE.

For anyone wanting a complete understanding of the "Certificate of Live Birth" issued by the state of Hawaii that the White House wants us to accepts as Obama's official birth certificate - please go to

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

and read "Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report"
This is a rather lengthy report but it explains in great detail why us Birthers do not accept the COLB as having any more value than the paper it is written on.

My own opinion as to why the 12 or so cases have been dismissed in Obama's favor has nothing to do with these judges protecting the Constitution - in fact, far from it. They are absolutely scared to to their bones of the fallout from and impeachment, or making the election results of America's first BLACK President null. Once again it is about race. I know now for saying this people will call me racist, that's fine. A very smart man a long time ago said what people call you is not important: It is what you answer to. So it comes down to this:

Do we as a nation defend and protect our Constitution and let the chips fall where they may? Or do we run in fear as these judges have ? If we choose to run and not stop and fight and defend -where does it stop I ask you?

And the mainstream media's complicity in this by refusing to even bring up why he is spending all this money to keep his records sealed and just accepting the COLB and FactCheck.org is just unbelievable! I can understand the usual Obama outlets, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, CBS but when Fox News won't even run the story want gives? I mean is this guy completely untouchable? Are we living in old Russia, where the media is controlled by the politicians?

I am truly fearful for the future of our once great nation. I am 51 years old and I can probably slug it out no matter how bad it gets but I have a beautiful 14 year old daughter who we have taught good values to of God, Country, Family and study hard and work hard and the sky the limit in a great country like ours - Used to be true. Her mother and father and grandparents were examples of that. She has a 4.0 GPA so far. But with a plan like Obama's, I'm not sure it will matter anymore. I'm afraid he is going to screw this country up so bad that it will never recover. It won't matter how hard you study or work -the slackers will get just as much out of life as the ass-busters and risk takers.

My 2 cents worth

Obama has proven his citizenship at least twice, first when he got his passport and again when he filed his papers to run for the Presidency. It's not an issue for him.

As to his supporters wanting him to release it, why on earth would they? Reread these posts here. Birthers are the fringiest group of all. They don't believe the State Department which accepted the proof of citizenship for his passport, they don't believe the Federal Election Commission, they don't believe the state of Hawaii, they don't believe the MSM, and they don't even believe the Republican Party's news organization.

However, they do believe that Obama hasn't complied with the Constitutional requirements to hold office, even though that has been certified; they believe that Hawaii is involved with a vast conspiracy along with every federal judge that hears these cases; they believe that the media, including FOX, is controlled by the government, and they are quick to believe in this Kenyan birth certificate that has already proven to be a fake.

Furthermore, the birthers seem unable to grasp even the basics of how government and the Constitution work. If Obama were to be proven not to be a citizen, which isn't going to happen, he would not then be removed from office. The only way to remove a President is through impeachment. If there was an impeachment bill introduced, which isn't going to happen, then the Dems would never let it get out of committee. If there was an impeachment trial in the Senate, there would never be enough votes to approve it. If Obama were to be impeached, what would happen? That doesn't make McCain President as was written here. It makes Joe Biden President and then he selects a new VP.

In short, the birthers believe things that are demonstrably untrue (Obama hasn't produced proof of citizenship), are credulous and gullible (the proven fake Kenyan birth certificate), are willing to contort reality in bizarre ways to rationalize their conspiracy theory (Hawaii, US government, media, all the Federal judges are in on it), and fail to grasp the real outcome if they win (Joe Biden becomes President).

For Obama supporters, the birthers are the gift that keeps on giving. Their job is to tie the birthers to the Republican Party and portray them as mainstream representatives of the right to demonstrate how the Party has been taken over by the lunatic fringe.

I have a bit more faith in the American Independent voters to know when to tie one fringe group to the whole.. If that was true Michael Moore would be the lefts poster boy for stupidity. Moveon/salon would be MoveonsalonDNC.org. Americans know that the outer fringes are not representative of the whole.

Why do you think the further left this Administration and Congress goes their approval levels continue to spiral down,,?

America is not the Nazi Collaborator George Soros or the lying hypocrite Michael Moore..

Most of America still believes in the Constitution.. and FREEDOM. Not massive Government or Government entitlements.

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

Common sense? We are discussing modern politics, aren't we?

I agree that the Dems have some embarrassing fringe groups like MoveOn. However, I don't think the Republicans have been very successful portraying them as leaders in mainstream Democratic politics.

The Dems, on the other hand, have been very successful in portraying the ordinary Republican Party leaders as captivated by, cowering from and catering to their fringe base.

Here's a bunch of Republican Congressmen afraid to cross the birthers:

Capital Hill Doesn't Know If Obama Is A Natural Born Citizen

Really now, do you think that any of these Congressmen actually believe the birthers conspiracy? Of course not, they wouldn't be Congressmen if they were that stupid. (OK, I can't back that up but it might be true). No. What they are doing is cowering, not wanting to irritate a significant part of their base.

Take the birthers; add Palin's deathers; add the bowing and scraping for Rush; tie in the rabids like Savage and the stupids like Laura Ingram; the one trick ponies, radical on single issues, like Tancredo; the apocalypse prophets like Beck; etc., and the Dems have a super rich environment in which to define the Republican Party's philosophy as way outside the way normal people perceive reality. And I think they've done a really good job of it; far, far superior to the Republican's attempts to define the Democratic Party.

You've got more faith in the Independents than I do. We only need to sway 5%.

BTW: There's a very interesting analysis circulating comparing the talk shows influence on voting (practically nil) to the perception of their influence by Rep. Party leaders (very high), which causes them to cater to a base far to the right of the voters who can be influenced. Next time I run across it I'll post it for you.

"Take the birthers; add Palin's deathers; add the bowing and scraping for Rush; tie in the rabids like Savage and the stupids like Laura Ingram; the one trick ponies, radical on single issues, like Tancredo; the apocalypse prophets like Beck; etc..." and add the Republican Senators who voted AGAINST allowing rape victims to take their rapists to court.

"In 2005, Jamie Leigh Jones was gang-raped by her co-workers while she was working for Halliburton/KBR in Baghdad. She was detained in a shipping container for at least 24 hours without food, water, or a bed, and “warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she’d be out of a job .” (Jones was not an isolated case .) Jones was prevented from bringing charges in court against KBR because her employment contract stipulated that sexual assault allegations would only be heard in private arbitration.

Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) proposed an amendment to the 2010 Defense Appropriations bill that would withhold defense contracts from companies like KBR “if they restrict their employees from taking workplace sexual assault, battery and discrimination cases to court.”

His amendment passed the Senate by a 68-30 vote, but 30 Republican members voted against it, including John McCain and our own Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson.

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30 Republicans for Rape

Remember, it is still "alleged rape", however just last week, the Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled that her case will get a jury trial. It is still a shameful display of inaction on the part of our legal system. And the Franken amdt didn't say "companies like KBR", it specifically named them but then went on to include any other company/contractor who made employees sign an agreement to solve complaints via arbitration. I'm guessing if they had left out any specific company name and just made it a blanket statement, the vote just may have been different. Regardless,I'd like to hear the rationale used by those who voted "no". And it's a stretch to categorize those who voted "no" as being "for rape"---and you know it's a stretch.

...I'd say that this good 'ol boys club of 30 Republican Senators, primarily from the south of course, are sending the clear message that the rights of government contractors are far more important than those of rape victims.

One Senator, John McCain, even thinks that the topic of rape is so funny that he finds it acceptable to tell jokes about it.

"McCain's specific jokes can be harder for some to stomach. ...reported in the Tucson Citizen, an Arizona paper, during his 1986 Senate campaign: "Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'"

My point being that there is an ingrained culture of misogyny, racism, homophobia and xenophobia within the Republican party and I don't see any positive attributes within the GOP anymore. As Jeff pointed out, the R's have become a party of right-wing "fringers" and conspiracy theorists, swimming far outside the main stream.

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Liberals and their Pro-Rape Halliburton Exception------ Democrats, Liberals and Hollywood "activists" are willing to excuse those accused of rape in the event that the accused has made significant cinema or performing art contributions, in which case the alleged crimes are not classifiable as "Rape-Rape".

however, the Senators were in a position to join in establishing laws to allow rape victims their day in court and send the right message, however, these 30 failed to do so, further tarnishing the disintegrating image of the GOP.

The thought of Woody "the pedophile" Allen and other Hollywood luminaries jumping on the pro-Polanski bandwagon makes me ill. Polanski is scum, he raped a 13 yr.old child and he needs to stop fighting extradition and pay the price for his crime. Pro-Polanski nuts swim outside the main stream as well, as far as I'm concerned.

Can't you understand it's not just about rape? And the case in question is still "alleged" NOT proven factual. The jury trial will decide that. And regardless of what Jones signed, the US DOJ still had jurisdiction and though it took much longer than it should have, she will have her day in court.

"Pro-Polanski nuts swim outside the main stream as well..."

Yes, nuts like that give liberals a bad name which is why I have advised the "birthers" to employ reason - I fear that they give a bad name to anyone who swings a little to the right. It is important to realize that those like Bill Mahr do not represent all liberals anymore than Limbaugh represents all conservatives. Me, personally, I prefer O'Reilly because I think he is REASONABLE and embodies the theme of "fair and balanced".

"That it will never come again is what makes life so sweet."
- Emily Dickinson

Oh, you are incorrrect about O'Reilly! He is simply slicker!

The Republicans had good reason to oppose seating this man. Whatever else you may think about him, he has demonstrated that he has a functioning spine.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

I don't know how he'll turn out but I must admit I liked a statement he made prior to his arrival--he said "I'm not going to Washington to be the 58th (or whatever nr) Democratic Senator, I'm going to be the 2d Senator from Minnesota.". Kinda reminded me of what Zell Miller said before he joined the ranks of Senators.

...or you will introduce a new meme into the birther heads that Joe Biden is actually behind the birther movement.

oops! I hope you haven't planted a 'seed' with that statement.

Well allrightie then.. I hear an ewok calling you..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

It's obvious that back in August of 1961 the Rockefeller's and the Trilateral commission and probably some unknown Jewish bankers, all of whom are in the secret cabal which REALLY controls the world, got together a picked out this black baby in Kenya and decided that they would make him President of the United States one day. So they got together and placed birth announcements in not one, but two! Hawaiian newspapers and somehow coerced the hospital in Hawaii to fake a birth certificate for the child and also bought off the State of Hawaii.

Now this showed extraordinary foresight. If you remember back to 1961 you will surely be struck by the audacity of the scheme! Who would have ever thought back then to come up with such a plan for a black Kenyan baby. Talk about a forward vision! It was a breathtaking plan. Really, if you think about it, shocking in its conception and diabolically clever in its execution. Remember, this was at the very beginning of integration; back in '61. Just a few years after Rosa told that bus driver that her feet hurt and she wasn't going to move to the back of the bus and two years before(!) Martin had his dream and gave a speech about it.

The effrontery of the plan is simply astonishing and you've just got to give props to whoever thought it up in the first place.

Now, I know that some people scoff at the unlikeliness of it all. But to those who see the TRUTH!, to those who have not let themselves become overwhelmed by rational thought, Obama's presidency itself is proof that the plan is real and the cabal that implemented it is fantastically powerful. You might ask, if they have so much power, why don't they rule the world? The answer, of course, is that they do! They just choose to remain hidden and pull their puppets strings.

Obama's presidency by itself is proof of their reach and power. How else can you explain the little Kenyan baby's birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers and his birth records in the hospital files? What other possible explanation can there be?

And now, after all of that, we find you posting links to propaganda web sites trying to explain why the long form birth certificate has not been produced. As if such a silly and minor thing would have been overlooked and could not be instantly rectified! So what I want to know (and I promise not to tell anybody) is, how long have you been part of the conspiracy?

It's obvious that back in August of 1961 the Rockefeller's and the Trilateral commission and probably some unknown Jewish bankers, all of whom are in the secret cabal which REALLY controls the world, got together a picked out this black baby in Kenya and decided that they would make him President of the United States one day. So they got together and placed birth announcements in not one, but two! Hawaiian newspapers and somehow coerced the hospital in Hawaii to fake a birth certificate for the child and also bought off the State of Hawaii.

Well?

And your point is...?

Actually Jeff, I went to high school and college with those persons who concocted this conspiracy - and they allowed me to become a member. They assured me that before long, my standing as a black women would change - and I might even be allowed to vote in Georgia one day without having to count the jelly beans in a large jar! (Those were the days when I had to use a 'colored' restroom.) I really thought they were out of their minds about the Kenyan child who would one day become the President of the US. But these guys and gals were true visionaries. In 61, the most integrated place on earth for 'black leaders' was the military.. . .and the thought of a 'black' president was unheard of!! But my friends, the visionaries were way ahead of the game. They made sure that the mother was from the 'heartland' of the US - and had very tolerant parents. But please Jeff, don't tell anyone . . it is still a secret. (They're working on a woman president AND a woman Secretary of State serving at the same time!! Revolutionary!! Keep your promise - and please don't tell anyone!!

But here's the problem. David's Mom is not a Judge. Obama's Kenya birth certificate states the mother's name as Stanley Ann Obama and the father's name as Barack Hussein Obama. Baby's name as Barack II. At the time of birth mother & father were married under the name of Obama and living in Kenya. Confucius say, "if you want US President, don't vote for illegal alien from Kenya". GET IT!

"The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in the history of this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred Citizenship to the place of birth. At the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, the received general doctrine has been, in conformity with the common law, that free persons born within either of the colonies, were the subjects of the King; that by the Declaration of independence, and the consequent acquisition of sovereignty by the several States, all such persons ceased to be subjects, and became citizens of the several States, [...] .
The Constitution having recognized that persons born within the several States are citizens of the United States, one of four things must be true:
First. That the constitution itself has described what native-born persons shall or shall not be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States; or,
Second:. That it has empowered Congress to do so; or,
Third. That all free persons, born within the several States, are citizens of the United States; or,
Fourth. That it is left to each State to determine what free persons, born within its limits, shall be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States.
If there is such a thing as Citizenship of the United States acquired by birth within the States, which the Constitution expressly recognizes, and no one denies, then those four alternatives embrace the entire subject, and it only remains to select that one which is true."

Just because his Mother is a Citizen does not make him a Citizen unless born IN THE UNITED STATES..

Now I don't have a dog in this fight.. I want Obama to stay where he is for my own reasons.. But I had to correct you.

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

I stand corrected. . but Hawaii is a state. Right? I don't think Obama's mother was a psychic - and wanted proof that her son was not born in Kenya just in case he ran for the Senate or the presidency. It is surprising that some even went to the effort to forge a Kenyan birth certificate. Sad.

HIs own grandmother states she was in Mombassa Kenya WHEN OBAMA was born there....

I know where the "birthers" are coming from.. It flows from injustice.. That feeling you get when a younger more physically fit person gets the promotion you yourself is a hundred times more qualified for.

If they flaunt it in your face you tend to let's say assist in their failures.

Some of it is racial.. absolutely... Some of it's not my guy syndrome, but some of it's real.. Some wants the Constitution to mean something..
I have talked to a few of the latter and a few of the former.. Like all groups it is made up of individuals. Warts and all.

The truly sad part about all this is I think the controversy is contrived.. Meant to separate us divide and conquer... and all that. That is why the BC was never released and still today a type of BC most times not accepted is presented as factual.. Keeps everyone polarized.

Personnally.. as I said.. I want him to stay right where he is.. The Enemy I know and all that..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

In trying to define natural born status I did some research. I found this analysis to be the closest thing to a condensed version of it that I could find. If you pay attention to Number 5 it states that even if a citizen is born a citizen he can not keep natural born status if he ever claims citizenship to another country which many believe Obama has done. I can find nothing that claims natural born status solely based on the mother being a citizen. Now having said this I agree that the case will be thrown out of court. Because to over throw the Obama presidency now would cause more problems than it's worth. My commentary ends here. The rest of this post is from the source noted below.

http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2009/10/defining-natural-born-citizen.html

Wong Kim Ark Analysis

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From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief.

Thanks for the info!

While I think this is a dead issue, just because you're an American citizen, it doesn't make you eligible to be president. There's that born in the USA thingy to deal with.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

he is 1/16th black for crying out loud, we have had other presidents that had more black in then than that...

aches!!
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However, the government will do what it damn well pleases. If the court rules that Obama was born in Kenya, the government might just as well say, it doesn’t matter. But, from the academic stand point, Biden wouldn’t become president because he’s illegally elected VP. What should happen is that either McCain would be declared President as being the only viable, legal candidate or we’ll have another election call. Otherwise, God forbid, Nancy Pelosi become President. Now, that’s very scary Halloween.

just thinking about it.
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government makes our heads hurt.

reason enough to let this dog lie..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

If the current VP becomes President, I believe the new President chooses a new VP and that choice must then be approved by both Houses of Congress.