PTC council candidates answer questions

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 2:33pm
By: John Munford

The following is a summary of the most crucial questions and answers from Tuesday night’s candidate forum hosted by the Peachtree City Rotary Club. For simplicity’s sake, the Q&A summaries are split up by the various races.

A similar roundup of the Q&A with the mayoral candidates will be forthcoming later this evening.

Post 1 candidates: (note - candidate Eric Imker was not present at the forum)

Q: What is your position on using the reserve fund to balance the budget is that a prudent use of our resources. Also what is your feeling about mass layoffs and other cuts to balance the budget?

Shelby Barker: PTC should be “hesitant” about using the reserve fund, though he did support council’s recent decision to use reserve funds to avoid a tax increase this year. The best way to balance the budget is to avoid raising taxes at all costs and make government more efficient instead.

David Craig: Reserve funds should not be used to make up for budget shortfalls. He does not support laying off people just for the sake of cutting the budget; he would rather do better job managing the city’s resources to handle budget issues.

Beth Pullias: Doesn’t believe in using reserves to balance the budget; was disappointed council didn’t raise the property tax rate for the coming year to make up for budget shortfalls. She said she’d rather raise the millage rate to avoid losing services, than to see the city decline.

Q: Mr. Craig your bio states no annexations and no residential development in industrial areas ... can you envision a situation where you would support annexation or residential development in industrial areas?

Craig: I don’t believe there’s any scenario where city needs to expand the borders beyond what they are today. Prior annexations have caused budget issues and need to expand fire and police protection. Developments in industrial areas we need to stay with the land use plan. Need to insure we have viable area for our businesses to go and expand, bring new jobs into Peachtree City. Subdivision proposed near Falcon Field is in wrong position.

Pullias: Not against annexations, but they need to make sense for the city. Does not support Hyde Park expansion to east of city, it has no benefit to the city. Would be more interested in southside shopping center annexation (Southern Pines Plantation) if the entire shopping center tract was being annexed instead of a small piece. As currently proposed, it makes no sense. Rezoning industrial areas will never make sense as there’s no way to connect them to existing villages and make cart paths available.

Barker: Supports annexing Publix shopping center on Ga. Highway 54 East but will have to find way to enforce sign ordinances to maintain PTC quality. Against rezoning of industrial land for residential use, as it would not fit into the village concept.

Q: With Peachtree City basically at buildout, where do you see our city in five years?

Pullias: wants to see city keep as much of its existing trees as possible. Also wants to see redevelopment of older areas such as the Peachtree Crossing shopping center and the old Photocircuits campus in the industrial park. Also want to see buffers kept and increased. Also want city to acquire land to preserve what is left of trees.

Barker: Main priority should be golf cart path repair. Want to see less empty retail spaces, have noticed more at Avenue lately. Wants to attract more businesses not by loosening sign restrictions but for example not banning walking signs.

Craig: I see PTC no larger than it is today. I think we need to stop growing city from land use standpoint. Need to try to redevelop village concept, make existing villages more vibrant. Store and office space vacancy is a problem. Cart path safety can be improved by adding signs, clearing brush and making it physically more safe for users. Transportation plan improvements are also important. Craig said he also opposes the new proposed SPLOST.

Q: If the SPLOST fails, how will city balance budget and pay for the cart path improvements that make this city unique?

Craig: I oppose SPLOST for several reasons. City not getting enough revenue from it. If not approved, we will have to significantly scale back the kind of improvements we were doing in the city. Rejuvenation of the paths would have to go at a slower pace. Believe the city has enough revenue to make it work without SPLOST money.

Pullias: We’re not going to pay for it, or we’re going to raise taxes. SPLOST is not perfect but revenue will keep city from having a tax increase of 1.5 mills. Or we’re going to have to do without. Feels city needs to fund those improvements.

Barker: Oppose SPLOST as another tax on citizens. If elected want cart path maintenance to be a higher priority in the general fund budget. Making budget decisions will be tough.

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Post 3 candidates:

Q: what is the answer to keeping our city’s budget under control?

Steve Boone: We can’t do it all on property taxes alone. Don’t see need for raising the property tax rate. Dismissing the city’s public works employees was a tough decision but necessary and saved a significant amount of money for the city.

Kim Learnard: The budget is not sustainable for the long term. The reduced mowing schedule has made it harder for realtors to sell homes. City survey supports modest tax increase if only a modest cut in services. The vast majority of the citizenry has decided that Peachtree City’s uniqueness is worth funding.

Bob Walsh: Need to be careful about cutting budget and losing character of city that makes it special. This is the wrong time to be raising taxes because economy in such bad shape with so much excess in the city’s reserve funds.

Q: Are you in favor of the proposed new SPLOST and if it is not approved how do you plan on paying for existing street and cart path repairs and repaving?

Learnard: If SPLOST is not passed, very difficult budget decisions will have to be made to fund street and cart path projects. Some people feel the city should get a larger share of the SPLOST revenues; but policy makers want the $22 million to help fund the city projects.

Walsh: Is in favor of the proposed SPLOST. If SPLOST is not approved, many projects will still be necessary and will result in more outsourcing of jobs and further budget cuts to pay for the projects. It would not be enough, we would need to raise taxes if SPLOST doesn’t pass to improve the city infrastructure.

Boone: Real strong advocate of SPLOST program. “If it does not pass then our city is in dire trouble. I say that because we just haven’t got enough money to do these type of projects.” SPLOST will also help pay off revenue bonds. (He did not say how he would fund those projects if the SPLOST wasn’t approved)

Q: Which is more important: minimizing Big Box stores or encouraging sales tax growth and would you support a freeze on new commercial development until much of our vacant commercial property is occupied?

Boone: Undeveloped areas can currently be developed as commercial if they are currently zoned as such. Supports the location of quality stores in the city. “Yes it brings in revenue, and you really can’t shut the door on commercial development.” Wants to see empty storefronts filled first. Sales taxes are important.

Learnard: Big Box sales tax revenue is outweighed by infrastructure, public safety and traffic costs to the city. City needs more light industrial, quality manufacturing and corporate headquarters to bring high paying jobs to city.

Walsh: Don’t see sales tax revenue as that important from Big Box stores. We need to keep Big Boxes out to maintain the character of Peachtree City. Threw hat in ring when council voted to ask DOT to put that extra light on 54 so developer could put an outsize retail center in there. “That’s the kind of thing I want to stop.” Wants to ask DOT to remove the light to maintain traffic flow and retail development to an appropriate size.

Q: What are your views on mass transit systems, specifically MARTA, coming to PTC? Explain your reasoning.

Learnard: Road widening is not enough to relieve traffic congestion long-term. Would support looking at installation of transportation center north on Hwy. 74 to make light rail accessible for city residents. Public safety offices should be nearby.

Walsh: If we have an appropriate facility on the periphery of PTC that connected to the Atlanta airport and into the MARTA system that way it could be a useful tool to reduce traffic, as long as it did not provide too much an avenue for excess traffic the other way into Peachtree City. Concerned it could encourage sprawl around that center that we are trying to avoid.

Boone: Many residents are not in favor of a MARTA station coming to Peachtree City. But long-term, the city will need a rail system, though right now it might bring crime into Peachtree City.

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Post 4 candidates:
Q: Do you think cart paths are safe enough and if not what would you do to change this problem?

Les Dyer: The paths are not safe enough. More officers are needed to patrol the paths, which means more officers need to be hired.

Vanessa Fleisch: They could be safer. Police chief has increased patrols immensely, but more patrols are needed. People need to feel safe. It’s our hallmark, a selling feature that we have for this area and we need to keep it safe and we cannot have any perception out there that they are unsafe.

Q: What do you think are the most pressing traffic concerns in Peachtree City and what are your ideas for solving them?

Fleisch: Biggest problems are along 54 corridor going into whole West Village. City is at mercy of DOT for much of the issue; if additional light approved by council goes in I think its going to be that much worse. Peachtree Parkway and Walt Banks is bad when school lets out and during evening commute but that will be alleviated when the city adds turn lanes in the future as planned.

Dyer: Cameras at intersections are helping with traffic sequencing on 54. Proposed TDK extension “has the potential to be a nightmare for us with additional traffic coming into our city.”

Q: If elected what is the most important challenge to you?

Dyer: Recession and our high unemployment. We need to create high paying white collar jobs in our city. Empty retail spots need to be filled and the city needs to attract colleges, universities, medicine and high-tech industries.

Fleisch: City can’t forget companies already here such as Hoshizaki, Rinnai, FieldTurf. We need to retain as well as expand. Airport Authority is doing wonderful job and can help draw corporate headquarters that would be complimentary to the city’s land use plan and services.

Q: Do you favor continued outsourcing of city jobs?

Fleisch: Ultimately we have to be fiscally responsible and outsourcing should have been explored years ago. Admits it is difficult to have people lose their jobs.

Dyer: Hope city budget tightening won’t be as wholesale as the landscaping crew reduction was. Outsourcing to save money is a way to tighten belts but i hope we can do it so that it minimizes the impact on city employees who i think are already carrying an inordinate amount of the burden for this recession.

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Submitted by grassroots on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 12:29am.

SPLOST wants to Fayette Forward until we become Atlanta South. It's full of pork projects and broken promises.Property taxes didn't go down for ESPLOST like they promised. Nor were bonds paid off. Paying off the community center is just a carrot to make you feel good. Don't fall for it. Go To:
http://splostpoll.blogspot.com/
and vote your opinion now.
Leave comments for the commissioners.
Vote Nov 3. Not turning out is like voting yes.


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:02am.

Post 3 Candidates Unanimously Favor MARTA!!! I am blown away. They all agree to have passenger rail in this city. Once you open the door, here will come MARTA. Just go on a Saturday night to 2 high end malls that are a couple miles apart: Lenox and Phipps. Why is Lenox so much trashier and prone to shoplifting? You guessed it--- the Lenox MARTA station. Post 3-- wow...I hope the other Council and Mayoral candidates have a different view. Otherwise we need to cut in to the cart path maintenance budget and invest in a few more Mossberg Streetsweepers.


Submitted by David Craig on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 1:48pm.

I do not support bringing Mart or light rail to PTC. While we will need to work with the county & state to resolve congestion issues at the Hwy 74 & Intersate 85 intersection (which will increase with the widening of Hwy 85 South), expaning Marta to PTC is not the answer.

David Craig - Candidate Peachtree City Council Post 1

Submitted by Busy Bee on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:10pm.

It seems to me that some sort of light rail to the airport would be very beneficial to residents of PTC, given the large number of airline employees that reside here. In addition, I know a lot of "road warriors" who live in PTC, but spend 3-5 days per week traveling around the country by air. It would be great to be able to take the train to the airport and leave your car at home if you are going to be gone for several days. There are also a growing number of people who live in Fayette, work in downtown Atlanta and take MARTA to work to avoid the high cost of parking. Currently they have to drive to College Park which sort of defeats the point of public transportation.

I'd like to know your specific objections to light rail.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 3:50pm.

Mr. Craig, I would be interested in hearing your arguments for not wanting lite rail in PTC.

Please use verifiable facts when stating your opposition. Be advised that enticing 'undesirables' into the community is not a fact. For that matter it's not even an urban myth and has not been substantiated in any data that I've seen for the past several years.

I'd be especially interested if you assert that lite rail adversely affects home values, has no impact in attracting business to the community or increases crime rates.


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Submitted by The Wedge on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:27pm.

Have you known of any light rail that operates at a profit, or even break even? Please use verifiable facts when stating your thoughts. Light rail is heavily subsidized by the government. Do we need to subsidize more industries and ventures?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 5:57pm.

No, we don't need to subsidize more industries and ventures.

The only downside to that argument is that the rest of the nation is going to use our tax dollars if we don't.

I didn't invent the system but I have a fairly good idea how it works.

I do have what might, I said might be an example where the citizens think the expense/tax is worth it. That would be the New Mexico Rail Runner. See Rail Runner tax being supported


Submitted by David Craig on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:25pm.

My opposition to Marta & light rail to PTC begins and ends with funding. The amount of funding required to bring Marta or rail to PTC would be significant and the only way to achieve that would be to increase taxes to all citizens in Georgia. Please remember, even Marta can’t sustain it’s yearly operational costs without funding from taxpayers, so it may be along time before any type of system would generate sufficient support to move forward.

Going forward, I do believe that in order to aleviate the congestion along interstate 85, expansion of Marta or light rail could be a an effective alternative if there was a way to make the venture cost neutral to the taxpayer. As you may tell, fiscal responsibility is very important to me and is the primary reason I entered this election. The government (local, county, state, federal) can’t continue to keep spending at the current pace and expect our country to move forward.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:34pm.

You put forth one of the few real answers that has sufficient data to be creditable. Thank you!

I now know that you are an independent thinker as the other opponents to lite rail have always tried to use the 'undesirables' argument.

Perhaps in the near future we could avail ourselves of some of the monies the Fed. Govt. is planning to spend on HS-Rail.


Submitted by PTCGOIL on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:20pm.

Listen up. Its isn't what goes out of PTC on MARTA, it's what MARTA will bring IN here. You're not thinking clearly at all if you can't see that.

Enough said.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:25am.

The plan is to put a station in the Industrial Park with mixed use development around it.

I have made it clear to supporters of rail and bus, such as ARC members Chairman Jack Smith and Mayor Ken Steele, Harold Logsdon and others I totally oppose it and will fight it.

Obviously I am not supported by such. In fact Commissioners Maxwell and Frady held a fund raiser to support Plunkett's bid for Mayor.

I know Sturbaum opposes mass trans as well.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor
DonHaddix.com


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 8:49pm.

Mr. Haddix I would like to offer you the same opportunity I offered another.

Please offer your thoughts, w/supporting facts, as to why you oppose mass transit, specifically lite rail. And no I'm not referring to MARTA. You and I both know there is a difference.

Yes I do realize that you and I have had this conversation before but you weren't running for mayor then.

While I'm asking, please detail your rational for wanting to extend the SPLOST.

I am trying to rationalize the difference between a mil. tax increase and prolonging an additional sales tax.

Specifically I'm interested in:

- knowing the difference between what monies were generated from Fayette County citizens and those from other jurisdictions.

- do you see this as an unending source of 'additional' revenue that will continue forever.

- what criteria will be/is being used to determine the effectiveness of the program.

- what you consider to be a stopping point as in no longer supporting the continued extension of the SPLOST.

Thankx


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 10:35pm.

I don't know the exact percentages of what comes from Fayette residents and from non Fayette. But I can say that the night time PTC population is over 36,000 and the day time is around 60,000. As well NCR will be adding over 100 per week via their training school.

Fayetteville has a large change in population as well.

I can also tell you that to constrict the costs of path and road maintenance to just PTC property owners will burden them with much higher taxes. Has to. Reducing the monies collected from about 35% of all collected in the county from all shoppers to totally upon about 12,000 homes will be a huge hit. Just the quick and easy to see $2.25 million for basic path and road maintenance is a 1.25 mil increase with no regard for the debt reduction and other expenses that would still be there. In reality it would probably end up about a 2.25 mil impact over time.

For PTC the judgment criterion is the upgrading, maintenance and path system completions. That is very measurable and of absolute benefit to all of PTC. It gets cars off the road, helps the environment and even serves as Recreation, reducing some demands for more Rec facilities.

As for ending the need, maintenance is an ongoing issue. Completion of the system will happen one day, but I cannot assign a firm date.

The real bottom line here is maintenance and other infrastructure issues are ongoing and many increase over time. Such as stormwater and other systems with lifespans that we have not had to face dealing with in the past since we are only just 50 years old. So the question is how do we pay for it?

Do we place it all on the backs of property owners only or do we attempt to disperse it over the largest pool possible?

When you shop in other counties odds are you are paying into their SPLOST. Should we not get some back here as well?

How do we pay for our needs and wants? Is PTC willing to give up the paths, Rec, Police, Fire, EMS, Public Works, etc? If yes, we can cut taxes. If no, we have to pay for it. That is the bottom line.

Before said I am seeking the make things more cost effective. Saved a bundle already by pushing management changes in Rec alone, which was a battle. So I can say cost cutting is at the point it will involve service and amenity reductions to go further in any significant way.

So, when you hear statements of cut the fat out of the budget, ask where? Or eliminate SPLOST and put the demand into the property tax where it is more visible and politicians cannot hide costs, ask what is the net effect of taking that action and is it really hiding anything or trying to pay for it more fairly?

I freely agree the restraints placed on cities by State and Federal governments makes paying for local needs difficult and costly to the citizens. But until they stop intruding so heavily on the locales that is the budget world realities we must deal with.

Further, I agree being more effective in PTC budget issues should have begun many years ago. It didn't and here we are today, trying to fix things and bring costs down in this economic climate.

So of course confidence in government is low. I cannot argue with that at all.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor
DonHaddix.com


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:50pm.

First of all light rail is not being proposed. We won't get light rail because it we do not have the population to justify it. Even ARC states that. They are are talking commuter rail here and they hope it will evolve into light rail one day by enhancing population growth when coupled with the By Pass and other 'enhancements' to transportation.

Second, they want to put the station in the Industrial Park and redevelop the area as a multi-family mixed used area. We have a moratorium on multi family because it is unwanted and high density and mixed used, as some of the buildings in Lexington are, fails in PTC.

That will draw highly increased traffic to PTC, not diminish it. We would have to build a significant parking lot to accommodate the parking.

What was the ARC's engineer's reply to my challenge on this? It would not increase traffic because buses would be used throughout the County and region to transport riders here.

Rail only serves those who can guarantee to be able to take the morning train up and the evening train back. If you don't ride within the time frame of either of those schedules you don't use rail.

So don't work overtime or you won't get home. Make sure you work within range of the terminals or associated bus lines or it is a useless system to you.

In other words, commuter rail really only serves a very thin slice of PTC commuters but dumps all the regional users right in our laps traffic wise. So we don't get traffic relief, but more traffic and a very undesirable development within the Industrial Park.

Third, I lived in an area that didn't have rail, then did. A fairly affluent area and specifically the development I lived in went from peaceful, safe and low crime to fenced, gated and high crime with lowered home value.

At the moment I don't remember where to find the study, but an extensive one was done on the affects of adding rail to suburbia based on x radial distances from high crime areas. The high crime area crimes declined and as a function of distance the low crime areas increased in crime with the effect tapering off with distance. We are within the high crime increase impact distance.

If I can remember the location of the research report I will post it.

Finally, the studies, as well as our County statistics, show people willing to commute, nation wide, is on the decline. DAPC is working on bringing jobs here that will further decrease the commuter need.

No, it will end there being commuters, but we are in transition from being a commuter based city to a local work based city and retirement based city.

Our fastest growing demographic is over 55 and our declining demographic is public school age, which is supported by BOE data.

Rail is a mistake her for many reason. Many of us moved here to escape such things.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor
DonHaddix.com


Submitted by GAltant on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 6:38pm.

It's always nice to hear you present your position on issues. The same for the other candidates...but when they do it, they speak for themselves. Many times (like above)you voice an opinion (or a comment) about your opponents or those running for council. Why not let the voters figure this out for themselves.

As much as I want to vote for you (based upon your past voting record and the issues you present) when you take these "shots" at the others it makes me think twice....Stand on your own record, present your issues and facts.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 8:05pm.

you get where Haddix is concerned. As Sugarfoot said, there is nothing wrong with the statement Haddix made. He just made a statement that Frady et al had a fund raiser for Plunkett because she was for the same thing they were for. There may be many voters who are not aware of that fact. I was not--now I know. No slur, no slander just stating a fact.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 7:05pm.

Mr. H said what he was not for Marta, he then stated ...
"I have made it clear to supporters of rail and bus, such as ARC members Chairman Jack Smith and Mayor Ken Steele, Harold Logsdon and others I totally oppose it and will fight it.

Obviously I am not supported by such. In fact Commissioners Maxwell and Frady held a fund raiser to support Plunkett's bid for Mayor."

I think if he had been for Marta, Maxwell and Frady may have had a fun raiser for him too. He seems to have thought it out, and still againt it. What does that tell you? He is for the people, not the developers.

This man seems to be runing on truly what he belives in and can't be bought.
If I lived in Peachtree city, I would vote for him.

He then went on to say.." Sturbaum opposes mass trans as well." If he was a bad person, he wouldnt have gave Sturbaum any brownie points at his own expense.


Submitted by GAltant on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 8:36pm.

It's interesting how you post within hours of what I write and how you only comment in protection of Don...
Don needs to show true leadership by standing on his own record wthout commenting on the others and for the others!
We need leaders not politicians....leaders lead and stand on their record.
That's why I will probably only vote for new and fresh faces in this election....no incumbents (as much as I like Don's positions).

Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 10:45pm.

often and do not comment in protection of Mr. Haddix. I sincerely doubt if Mr. Haddix needs my protection. I do comment when your posts always seem to say how much you like him and what he has done while always following it up with why you will not vote for him. I, for one, think we need to be reminded how people voted especially since some people, like Ms. Plunkett, seem to have short memories or revised memories of how votes were cast in the past. I think voters need to be reminded of all those 3-2 votes and who cast them. I think they need to know who has tried to protect our community against run-away development--we need to hear or read it often. I also appreciate the fact that Mr. Haddix does answer questions posed here or in any other forum or manner and has been doing so for quite some time. Mr. Haddix is the only council member who has ever answered an e-mail sent, with the exception of our lame-duck mayor who answered the second e-mail I sent asking why he had not answered me with a reply to the questions asked in my first e-mail. His response?? He didn't bother answering me because he knew I would not like his answer!! And this was early into his term as mayor. If Mr. Haddix was lying or slurring a fellow candidate I would see your point, but it seems that he states the truth. At least he does care enough to reply and I think his record is one upon which he should be proud to stand.

Submitted by GAltant on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 8:15am.

"It's interesting how you post within hours"
Submitted by GAltant on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:36pm.

"GAltant, I do not answer within hours as I am not on here that often"
Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 11:45pm

2 hours and 9 mintues

"Hey Don"
Submitted by GAltant on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 7:38pm.

"Gee, Galant, you sure try to muddy the waters every opportunity"
Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:05pm.

1 hour and 27 seconds

HMMMMM

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 12:00pm.

Is every area that has it, also has those darn buses everywhere. They clogg the streets big time cause there is no where they can pull over ..out...of traffic to put on passengers, so they stop for several minutes in the right had land. It traffic is heavy, you can't get around them.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 6:57pm.

us pesky cyclists could no longer be blamed for tying up traffic. Smiling

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 10:32pm.

Those pesky bikes almost resulted in a car hitting me head-on this evening on Ebenezer Church Road when it took my lane trying to go around those rump wipes. I am having less and less affinity for your companions Cy as I encounter them more and more. Many of these clowns are just flat out dangerous and their stubborn egos are going to get somebody killed real soon on our roadways.

There is no reason at all my passenger should have screamed like did seeing that car veer toward us suddenly. Look folks...it makes no sense at all to hit another car head-on. There is much less damage incurred if you just knock the bikes off into the ditch.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington


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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 5:09am.

You mean another vehicle illegally entered your lane. Sounds just like the time that a car tried to pass another on a bridge and force me into a head on-condition. Some people shouldn't be allowed to drive because they lack proper judgment.
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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 6:41am.

It was a result of one of the bikes moving toward the center of the lane at the last moment as the car was passing. Reminded me of a squirrel in the road as it darts out freakishly at the last moment causing the driver to react in panicked manner. What I've learned to do is just keep my lane and hope the squirrel survives rather than swirving recklessly at the last moment nearly causing a wipeout. Many of the cyclist I encounter very much resemble squirrels to me.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:49am.

Don Haddix just got my vote....Barker--- don't know you but step up.

Hey, if we want to relieve traffic the answer is simple. Have shuttle busses from North 74 to the MARTA bus parking lot on Flat Shoals Road.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 1:01pm.

Have you driven up Hwy. 74 lately?

Leaving my house at 7:00 AM it takes me almost 40 - 45 min. to get to Flat Shoals Road. That's not accounting for accidents and/or funky weather.

The rest of the drive into my office, just off of 10th street only takes an additional 15 min.

The problem is Hwy 74. Traffic on that has been backed up some 3+ miles every day this week.

With Fulton County planting 50 of so new town-homes every week plus the trucking growth off of Oakley Ind. Blvd. it's going to just get worse.

In the evenings it's worse. I can usually plan on reading a book on I-85 southbound from Flat Shoals Road all the way home.

I'm one of those that Mr. Haddix spoke of as I suggested some years ago to put a parking lot in the industrial area and charge all out of county vehicles $2.00/day to park. Talk about generating revenue for the city with little or no overhead expenses and no developers being involved. Hell it would be better than a SPLOST and ALL the money would go directly to PTC. Besides, it's not being used for much as it is and the proximity to the airport isn't a factor.

The city has been talking about a police sub-station; sounds like a good place to me.

For further reading on this topic I would suggest you click here.


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Submitted by The Wedge on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 1:25pm.

I commute hwy 74 each weekeday. I leave my house between 6:30-7:30 each day and take Hwy 74 to I 85 to I 285 to I20 to Fulton Industrial. I reverse it on the way home at the normal commute time around 5:00 pm. I do not have the "parking lot" that you describe. I can get to work in 50 minutes in the morning and 55 minutes on the way home. In no place do I wait unless there is an accident.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 4:46pm.

Me thinks he stretches the truth. Or he doesn't know the way. Smiling

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 8:59pm.

This little experiment is open to all.

If you can find it in your heart and not cause an accident, please note the following times during your commute.

Start time.

Time from your home to 54/74.

Time from 54/74 to being on the ramp of I-85.

Time from I-85 to work.

The reverse.

Total miles driven both ways.

I'll do the same starting next Tuesday thru Friday.

I'd be interested in the results.

Thank you.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:10pm.

PTC...I don't do it enough that time of the day to make my marks relevant. I have done it a good bit in the evenings, 5-7PM, and I rarely have a problem at all, unless there is an accident. I guess I roam the ATL enough to realize that our traffic problem is NEGLIGIBLE compared to other parts of town. I can see the need for a remodel of the 85/hwy 74 Interchange....but that has it's own set of problems.

My Mother lives off of 400 near McFarland, and believe me, we face nothing like she deals with daily.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 10:14pm.

As best as I can 'guess' the commute is getting longer. I've only been doing it for the past 20+ years since moving here.

I can't find any numbers since DoT did a study that's over 10 years old.

I still think the info. is worth knowing even if just a few folks can answer.

When I moved here it took less that 45 min. from driveway to desk. Now it seems to takes over an hour+ baring accidents/weather.

Another number I'd like to see is the number of people that live in PTC and commute to ATL. I'm sure that number has increased greatly over the past 20 years as there are few, if any, jobs that can pay a mortgage here.

I, like many that live here, choose PTC for the many benefits it offers but as with all things the only constant is change.

If PTC is to continue as a premier place to live, raise a family, then there needs to be a change in how those of us that support it get to and from work.

I'm fast approaching the time when my children will graduate HS and the time I can retire. In order for me to remain here there will have to be vast improvements, infrastructure wise, as the educational benefits will no longer matter to me.

As someone that makes a comfortable living and will continue to do so in retirement, PTC needs to expand its offerings.

Easy if not enjoyable, transportation options, convenient shopping and access to medical facilities, et al need to be pursued along with the golf cart paths in order to keep the tax base in place.

Somebody needs realize that for the next several years, we the aged, will be footing most of the bills around here as high paying jobs in PTC are a myth and high paying jobs in Atlanta will be scarce at best.


Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 8:46am.

All around..I'm sure over the last 20 years the commute has gotten longer. It has everywhere in the ATL area for sure. I used to be able to leave my home in Morrow when I was a teenager and be in Athens Georgia for a Bulldog game in just about an hour (30 years ago), but I digress.

As far as retirement, I've seen a lot of places in this old World, and I haven't seen many that can beat the area here. Especially if you factor in cost of living.

Back to point, until the stretch of GA Hwy 74 (starting at Milam Road) that is in Fulton County and the interchange with Interstate 85 is adressed, we will continue to have longer drive times for sure. The mesh of trucks and cars at that interchange is going to choke it down fast. I think a moderate solution in the short term would be an northbound "on" ramp and a southbound "off" ramp at hwy 92 and Interstate 85...

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Submitted by The Wedge on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 6:54am.

I work in a part of town that will not have an easy stop for mass transit. Currently I travel 39 miles one way and have a 50 minute morning commute and a 55 minute evening commute. I would have to drive to some sort of drop lot by the rail station. Then I would take the train to some mid town location. Then I would have to take a bus with multiple stops to my location on the west side of the city. This will easily move my 50 minute morning commute to at least 100 minues. I then work for 10 hours and reverse that commute fo rthe evening. I would still require my car and my 12 hour work day gets expanded into a 14 or 15 hour day. I would never be able to leave the office for lunch or to alter my schedule. I would be giddily happy for the 1/3 of the time that I travel for my work. And I would not be able to work during the commute except maybe for the rail part of it. By far that would be the quickest part of my trip


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 9:18pm.

But the Democrats need us to work in order to tax the _ _ _ _ _ (you fill in the blanks) daylights out of us. Smiling
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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 10:20am.

Some questions deserve a short response. I do not believe that bringing mass transit to our community is a good thing.

I hope this answers your question.

Thanks,
Shelby Barker
Candidate for City Council Post1
678-371-5322

www.shelbybarker.com


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 6:21pm.

MARTA coming here is not going to happen because that would require a majority of the voters in a special referendum to approve it - and agree to fund it through a sales tax - kinda like a SPLOST devoted to mass transit.

It ain't gonna happen.


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 6:51pm.

Cut back on the menopausal "mood elevators" there Mudcat....Fayette will pass the SPLOST, this SPLOST any SPLOST. "It's just a sales tax" or the stupid mantra "We have a great quality of life so what's wrong with more taxes." Light rail means high crime.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 7:05pm.

Okay, now offer up your proof.


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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 7:38pm.

go ride it.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 7:44pm.

and the crime reports to back it up.

What do you offer?

I rode lite rail for several years.

It drove me nuts that when I sold my house in Arlington VA that I had to rent a truck to haul the money to the bank.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 12:29pm.

selling you house in Arlington, VA, give it to me and I will drive you to and from work every day--possibly in a limo, if that was a big truck.

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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 11:36pm.

and if Arlington was so good go back. We're not talking light rail, we're talking marta.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 5:42am.

you're off the subject, quite possibly off your meds and you are definitely off target as MARTA is NOT lite rail.

You can go and polish your little toy gun now.


Submitted by Ellie Mae on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 11:28am.

I know what marta is but I really don't have a clue what lite rail is. Would you tell me the difference?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 2:42pm.

There several lite rail systems in different parts of the country,

In a nut shell it’s a small, as in the cars are smaller, train service that usually has many miles between stations and it can have transfer points to something like bus service or not, it just depends.

They usually only run in one direction in the AM and the other in the PM. They don’t usually run throughout the day. So in the AM they would be heading into the city and at night they’re heading out of city. Click here for the VRE schedule.

The big difference is that they’re NOT a subway system like MARTA that runs every 20 min. in both directions all day long.

They tend to run along side highways/interstates and cover many more miles with far fewer stops in between. They are specifically designed to get commuters off of the highways/interstates and drop them at transfer stations like an Airport or major subway hub in about ½ the time it would take to drive with none of the hassle.

The VRE system in Virginia is the one I’m most familiar with. A large portion of my office staff uses it. It has two lines. One runs from Fredericksburg, 50 plus miles, and the other runs from Manassas 30 +/- miles. They both terminate at Union Station in DC.

There is a newer one that recently started service in New Mexico. It’s called the Rail Runner Express. It now goes from Belen thru Albuquerque to Santa Fe. It’s about 100 miles long and has a total of just 14 stops. There has been some talk about running it all the way up to Colorado.

Hope that answered your question.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 3:03pm.

You missed a few key points in the differences, bad_ptc.

Commuter rail shares lines with freight and other services while light rail does not. Heavy rail is indeed the dedicated systems like subway systems.


Differences

Commuter Rail is what is being talked about for PTC by ARC, not light rail. We do not have the population for a light rail system.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor
DonHaddix.com


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 3:57pm.

'Commuter rail' is what I should have said.


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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 9:23am.

we've moved on to the personal attacks now. You win.


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 9:29am.

No - you win! (For not falling into that trap of engaging in personal attacks.) CONGRATULATIONS!

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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 10:35am.

get personal. Hey, if your commute is too long, move closer to where you work. Oh yeah, you work in Fulton or Dekalb county where they already have public tranportation.


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