You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich---means, until we the rich get what they have left we can't manage it for them.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong---means, until we have all of the power they will be a pest.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift...means since Reagan and Bush2 put us into 13 Trillion debt, there is no prosperity!

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the payer down---means, until they will work for company script--good only at the company store--we will keep trying.

The Republicans have already imploded...even more fun watching that.

America did not lose when Obama was elected.

The Republicans, the old white men's party lost.

We will get universal health care.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

I personally know about four individuals of the "Tea" and "birther" groups, and they all are rattled very much in the brain.

The last election permanently did them in.

You fit the mold.

Best that you people have Westmoreland, and our two wonderful Senators in DC fix things for you. (I can't even think of their names, sorry).
Might I suggest that you dump your AIG stock or Citigroup into the ocean and not "Tea".

There are some of us out here who enjoy your posts. It's funny that your attack on SLINSEY's heros ended up with an O'Reillyesque "SHUT UP" from the loudest tool here.

Please don't shut up. People like you, Flag, Xena, Mainstream and a few others are needed after the meltdown that is sure to come. We need to keep you people around to show future generations what a mess Socialism and Progressive style Liberalism can make of our Government.
So Flag, Bonkie, Mainstream Davids Mom, and Sniffles I know you are out there btw... Keep on singing that Progressive Socialist song.

Today begins a new day.. The Paradigm is changing. There will be tens of thousands of us in Washington and around the Country today to start the process of returning the Government back to the rightful owners.. The People. We will not stop.. We will not go away.. We are your worst NIGHTMARE.. an awakened America.. Sleep well tonight.. it may be the last good night you will have in awhile.
We will straighten out the mess you guys made.. and I mean BOTH PARTIES.. It's time to take out the GARBAGE.

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Today begins a new day.. The Paradigm is changing. There will be tens of thousands of us in Washington and around the Country today to start the process of returning the Government back to the rightful owners.

Those 'tens of thousands' represent the same 'talk-show listeners' that voted for McCain. Don't hold your breath waiting for the return of our country to the tight-lipped/arm-folded/white gentleman sitting on the Republican side of the Congress - with one rude/angry nut yelling at the president. There are many Americans concerned about the truth regarding health care reform - and the haters have unfortunately joined them with their 'hate Obama' placards. Tens of thousands don't approach the MILLIONS who are demanding reform for health care!

Dream on.. Go and take a look at some real polls. America agrees with us.
Don't cha just hate it?

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Extremist like David's Mom can whip out the 'race card' and the 'hate card' all they want to no avail. Those tactics have become about as productive and meaningless as school yard fight where a bunch of brats are calling other kids stupid and dumb.

My folks drove me to the Will Rogers International Airport this morning and my mother, who is a registered Democrat, was uncharacteristically going off on Obama and his czars and his assault on the foundations that have made this country strong. She said it eerily reminded her of her childhood when her family had to flee Czechoslovakia ahead of the Russians and their extreme socialist / communist ideologies.

She then mentioned her life long friends in South Carolina who had supported Obama big time and actually worked for his election claiming that after speaking with them this past week, they had major regrets now with his presidency. The funny statement she quoted was that "it appeared George Bush didn't look so bad now compared to President Obama and where he was taking this country". Be encouraged Lindsey. There is a major uproar across this country and it isn't from people described by DM, Main Stream and some of the other kooks on here. It is from middle roaders who are shocked, puzzled and sincerely frightened by the direction this president is taking us. Prezbo is a one termer. America IS waking up. Only problem is I fear the Westmorelands, Saxbys, and other ineffective and pandering Republicans will fill the void. So in effect preserving freedom, opportunity, liberty and all the other foundational tenets that have made this country what it is will not be restored...... it's demise will only be reined in.

BTW.... Happy 50th Anniversary to my parents on this September the 12th. Glad I was with them, even if only for a couple hours in the car on this great day in their life.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Your parents 50th? Congratulations to them! You could be the age of my oldest son!! (46) You’ve garnered much wisdom in such a short time! Congratulations to you too. Our 'kooks' will prevail. Your 'kooks' are wallowing in publicized misdeeds and rude/unacceptable behavior. It makes Clinton's indiscretions look small indeed. (Let's hope they all have an opportunity to 'atone'.)

Those tactics have become about as productive and meaningless as school yard fight where a bunch of brats are calling other kids stupid and dumb.

Agreed! Then why do some on this blog and some talk-show hosts keep using these 'tactics'? Why? Because we are still suffering from the legacy of a 'racist' society - and refuse to admit it and move on.

We see - throughout our great country - the racist comments made about our president. If you don't like his policies - fine. However - too many are still in a state of shock that a liberal 'black' man is now President of the United States. You, Mr. Real, couldn't even change your attitude that NO BLACKS had the ability to work for you and yours - (Gosh, I hope I'm wrong about that) - and give Hack a break in admitting that there is a wide range of black people in this country in ability, culture, etc.

There are many blogs that I participate on where finding an American with your attitude is becoming more and more difficult. Most Americans today are basing their opinions regarding others on deeds rather than ‘color’. Most Americans judge a fellow American by their actions. Most Americans are learning not to make the accepted generalizations about ‘whites’ and ‘blacks’ that have been made in the past. Most Americans have had enough experience with ‘others’ – that they know that the color of ones skin should not be used to define him/her. It is difficult – but the younger generation seems to be getting the hang of it. Younger generation = 40 and under.

Remember the 'Rove' crowd talking about McCain's 'black' daughter?

Click here

A precursor to 'birthers' / muslim/commie/hater of whites Obama?

Regarding the younger generation, I thought you might get a kick out of this story:

A few years ago, when my daughter first started reading, my mother brought over a big box of my old books. It was full of books that I had even forgotten about: Trixie Beldon, Little House on the Prairie, Nancy Drew, and my old favorites, The Bobbsey Twins. The set of Bobbsey Twin books had actually belonged to my mother as a child. I remembered reading and LOVING those books, so you can imagine how excited I was to be passing them on to my daughter. I had forgotten that they were written in the '30s or '40s and that some of the terminology may not be relevant today.

After just a few minutes into the first book, my daughter came to me with a sentence that she did not understand. The sentence read: "Mrs. Bobbsey's house maid was a colored woman".

"So what about that sentence don't you understand?", I asked her.
"Well, what's a 'colored' woman?", her puzzled face was so sincere.

I explained to her that that had been a term used long ago to describe someone with dark skin. She still seemed confused so I said, "Honey, you know lots of people with dark skin...for example, your teachers' parapro (sorry, I've forgotten her name) has dark skin."

Her reply - "She does? I just know that she's really nice!"

It's refreshing how kids don't seem to notice or care about such things, isn't it?

That's precious! Good parenting going on there also! I remember having trouble with the term 'colored' as a youngster. Once embarrassed my family by calling a friend of the family who had very dark skin - a 'blue' man. Oh well - what does the song say? You have to be carefully taught! I enjoy watching the kids in my neighborhood lining up for the bus - all colors and not a hint of 'segregation' among them. I know our country will conquer this craziness - for I see the improvement in each generation.

Then why do some on this blog and some talk-show hosts keep using these 'tactics'?

I'm sorry, I guess I've missed the blogs and talk-show hosts that noted that Obama can't be president because of the color of his skin. Can you direct us to those?

BTW, my parents are a strong believer of our President and the new liberal agenda. I am; however, fearful of the liberal trifecta of Obama - Pelosi - Biden. This makes for some lively discussions when we get together.

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I try to make it a point to listen to SOME of the Fox news commentators (national) - and Rush, Coulter, and the rest of that group. The tactics I was referring to was the labeling of Obama as a white hating Muslim, Marxist, Communist, Socialist. I think the blogger who stated that some in this discussion are uncomfortable because they are experiencing a change that they have been taught to fear is correct. I just 'peaked' at Ann Coulters book - correcting American history. Wow! Her story is making an interesting correction to His-story. There have been other presidents that have promoted some of the same strategies that Obama has proposed - and received great 'heat' from the citizens of this country. Laura Bush made an honest comment. This president has a lot on his plate domestically and with foreign policy - and he is doing a good job. (W and Laura have class that is not being exhibited by others.) This may surprise you - but there are lively discussions in our household as well. That is healthy I feel - and as family, we are respectful of one another. To disagree with respect is the American way. Liberals also believe in personal responsibility, hard work, accountability, and treating others as we would want to be treated.

Well OK, I still don't see it. Anyways, I think the former First Lady is correct, our President does have a lot on his plate.

Liberals also believe in personal responsibility, hard work, accountability, and treating others as we would want to be treated.

Well perhaps some do.

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Many in my family are considered 'liberals' because of the civil rights issue in this country. My parents graduated from college in the early 30's - and my grandfather before then. We wouldn't have made it in the early American society (pre-1960's) without hard work, etc. Those values belong to anyone in this country who succeeds. . regardless of the 'label' - I think.

Like your parents, my parents came from a background which promoted strong ethics.

My parents have big concerns about this country just as everyone else has. However, I differ with them on what path to take. No different than the discussions we have here.

And you're right about the values thingy.

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There are those words again, "hard work!"

There is nothing hard about going to college! It is much easier than working for some dude! You sound like these guys on here who don't do any "work," just have other people do it!

Being taught well at home and in school makes one want to go to college----when they can afford it. Most can who are taught well.

You have to get past the lying, thieving, poor speaking, defensive behavior, and gang mentality first!
Apparently you and yours did.

Apparently you and yours did.

Me and tens of thousands of others. We're just not newsworthy. . or treated as if we're 'different'.

There is nothing hard about going to college!
There are many freshmen students who disagree. Getting there is not easy - and graduating with a degree is not 'easy'.

But thanks anyway for the compliment - I think.

Understand about their political leanings but let me make a guess--their daily lives are guided by mostly conservative principles---am I way wrong? Having been brought up in a similar environment (Father always voted Dem and Mother voted however Father told her to) but life in our house was very conservative. First R my Father ever voted for was Nixon.

As usual, you're right on the mark.

Dad didn't for vote Nixon in '60, '62 (California Governor race), '68 or '72. He didn't trust him. Some would say he was right on that call.
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Personally I think Nixon was basically a good person and a very good President, but he clearly made a stupendous error when he tried to cover up a criminal action that he may or may not have originated. Sounds like your Dad better olitical instincts than most of us.

And bammm she slams down the race card again!

The revolt against the direction this country is heading HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF OBAMA'S SKIN!

All should remember that he is half white, half black, but raised in a mostly white culture by maternal grandparents---I think.

Bamm - what are you on that you can't see that? Winer - what about discussing 'race' do you not understand?

Show them to me. Again every where I go and most everyone I speak with are extremely miffed with the president and "RACE" never even freaking comes up. What a crock of crap you spew. I won't even even dignify the rest of the afore metioned blog that you responed to me with. Again you are nothing but a bitter bigot.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

It is hard for some people to give up the race card. They use the "card" out of habit even when there is no evidence to support their wild claims.

There are issues with this administration that are based on ideology and patriotic beliefs regarding our country - but you can't hide that a man like Joe Wilson appeals to those who still have difficulty with our president having more melanin than the majority in this country. There is evidence throughout this administration and the election that preceded it that the elephant in the middle of the room exists. It makes us all uncomfortable - but it has to be dealt with. ..and elsewhere and HERE is being discussed without rancor and personal attacks. Many are trying to continue a civil discussion - it is difficult.

What Others Have Noticed About The Race Card

Ummm so just to be clear on david's mom's "logic"(?); what she is saying is that because Sen. Wilson called obumbles a liar when he blatantly lies that means that Sen. Wilson is a racist.??

Keep crying wolf david's mom, most people have turned a deaf ear to it. You are racist for calling Joe Wilson a racist. Did he use any racial slurs? No he didn't. You ASSume that he is racist because he is white.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that a man like Joe Wilson might have a hard time accepting the president's race, or that Wilson's outburst might be based in bias, if you consider his history: he "belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president" (Maureen Dowd, NY Times, 9/13/09).

And just as with any other "card" we play in this illogical ideological war, the "race card" is a legitimate face card in our dangerous game of division, denial, and delusion. We may not want to admit it, but it unnerves many of us that the balance of power might swing in ways we've never experienced. We are afraid! But if we refuse to admit and face our fear, we may implode--to the detriment of us all, left, right, and all in the middle. No one's crying wolf--he's already at the door and he's not the black man in the white house. He's you, he's me, and he's everyone of us who refuses to find any common ground upon which to agree.

The right-wing anger toward President Obama is understandable.

President Obama embodies the worst fears of conservatives--particularly Southern white conservatives.

President Obama represents in their minds a takeover of their lives by the Federal Government, by Northeners, and by African-Americans.

President Obama is not only the first African-American President. He is the first Northern urban President since John Kennedy.

The Bushes were Southerners. Reagan was an honorary Son of the South since he opposed the Civil Rights laws, was pro-States rights, and anti-big Federal government. Although Clinton and Carter were Democrats, both were largely Southerners in many ways.

A United States President from the North who is liberal and not white is a cultural shock to many.

Relax, America is a big diverse country. The USA will survive and prosper.

A for Acorn
B for Big Governmernt
C for Corruption

The race card again? You are so pathetic.

We don't have a problem with the color of his skin - we have a problem with the way that he constantly LIES to the American people and uses scare tactics to try and get his bills passed.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

If you had said 'I' - your comment may have been credible. When you say 'we' - I wonder who constitutes the 'we'. The Joe Wilsons of our country? Past members of the Sons of the Confederacy (A proud organization that many fine men belong to today- without racist intent but pride in the effort expended by the south for their 'cause') - a few who held racism close to their hearts until the day they died. . those who accepted the smear campaign against McCain as expedient to winning a primary election? . . those who called Mrs. Washington, Strom Thurmond’s daughter a 'lie'? Scare tactics? (Death panels, killing your grandmother, rationing, illegal immigrants receiving federal assistance) I don't think Obama's people stated those PROVEN lies. There is enough to question about the healthcare proposal not to have to resort to smear campaigns, lies, etc. You and I are on the same mission. Unfortunately, what you are espousing is based on facts not in evidence.

I'm not bitter . . just having a discussion about 'race' in America with citizens throughout this country - and many from other countries. Spent a wonderful week with visitors who feel that this country offers the world's best opportunity for all humans. If you viewed all of the news stations - you would see the 'signs'. If you read many editorials/opinions, you will see that 'race' is mentioned. To pretend that this is not at the back or front of Americans minds at this point is ludicrous. Fortunately, it is not an all consuming concern for most Americans - but what I found on this blog has been an eye opener. We have similar opinions of one another.