Whitewater band, chorus directors resign; charged with soliciting prostitute

Thu, 09/10/2009 - 3:53pm
By: John Munford

Jail mug_whitewater chorus director_Butler, Kelly

Pair used Craigslist; busted in undercover sting in DeKalb Co.

The band and chorus directors at Whitewater High School resigned Thursday after school system officials learned of their earlier arrest in DeKalb County for soliciting prostitutes, a spokesperson confirmed.

Band Director Doug Dee and Chorus Director Kelly Butler face criminal charges for using the website Craigslist to meet up with whom they thought were two prostitutes but turned out to be undercover police officers, officials said.

The incident took place May 12. Dee was arrested at the scene but Butler received just a citation at first before being arrested Aug. 19, a court official said.

The school system was unaware of the criminal charges against Butler and Dee until Thursday, which happened to be the same day Dee was arraigned in court.
Both faculty members began working for Whitewater in 2003; Dee had been with Fayette County schools since 1997 and Butler was hired by the school system in 2001.

The school system will work diligently to find highly qualified replacements for both, said school system spokesperson Melinda Berry Driesbach. The school is also appreciative of parents and students who continue to support both the band and chorus programs particularly as they begin to make the transition to new leadership.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:50pm.

salaries?


Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:36pm.

Smiling

They were so upset with all the salary cuts and furloughs they spent the summer picking up whores...but I heard they spent at least $200.00 so they must of saved up for it...I guess it was cheaper than taking a vacation over the summer..you know, we know this stuff now because they got caught, I wonder how many times they didn't get caught. Maybe that is why they thought they could get away with it this time and were not worried about their jobs.

Submitted by Elephantfan2008 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:29pm.

For all of you who think that Kelly Butler was a great teacher who buit up her students confidence by encouraging them to "take the stage," you obviously don't know the students whose confidence she destroyed. She is by no means the saint some of you make her out to be. This is an embarassment to the students and parents of WHS, and not to mention the Fayette County School System. She was arrested for pandering minors...funny since she teaches or rather taught minors. In today's sex crazed world the last thing we need is 2 teachers in our schools acting in such a grossly inappropriate manner. Do you want your children thinking its ok to solicite a prostitute and then hide their actions from the authorities when they get caught. The 2 of them made stupid decisions, and deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law!

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:05am.

the charges are incorrect. They were not soliciting minors, so calm down about students being involved.

Submitted by JokerUnicorn on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:17pm.

"you obviously don't know the students whose confidence she destroyed."

Do you? Name some students. Prove it.

Submitted by sickntired on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 1:53pm.

just because you don't believe it's possible that these teachers could have caused harm to some students' confidence, doesn't mean it's not true?

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Submitted by Gene61 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:34pm.

I don't know if these so called teachers were the worst ever, but it sure took Fayette County long enough to get the information. More than likely we'll hear stories about a student who might have had some bad experience with one or both of them in days to come.

No matter what, at least they're gone from WHS and not working with any kids..


Submitted by deltamom1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:29pm.

This news has saddened many people in our community and true we do have freedom of speech but there is also a decent level of respect that we should have for ourselves, Mr. Dee and Ms. Butler and more importantly our kids. People are quick to point the finger when someone has done wrong but as humans, we've all done or said things at one time or another that if we think about it, we should be ashamed-but instead, we're grateful that we didn't caught. Sin is sin and it all carries the same weight in God's eyes BUT HE forgives us so we have to forgive our fellow neighbors. Mr. Dee has been a part of my son's life since he was 10 and he has treated our family with nothing but kindness and respect. The Kids should be our main focus. We should stop gravitating to the negative publicity. I don't know Ms. Butler but I do know Mr. Dee who has been a great musical role model and inspirationalist to my son and I thank him for that. None of us are here to judge anyone. I don't support what has happened but it's none of my business. They have both left the school. Our focus should be on our kids-respecting their feelings and making sure that they are okay. I've spent a lot of time at the school with the band for the last two months and Mr. Dee has never done anything to hurt any of our kids....they have a special bond with him and that's okay because no one is perfect. The less focus we put on this matter the better it will be for our kids who are very precious to us. This too shall pass. My heart and prayers go out to WHS Band and Chorus and those who are and have been touched positively by these two people. WHS has great faculty in place and my focus is to continue to support and lift up the school and my hope is for you to do the same. It's all about our kids. A committed band Mom

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:00pm.

Sin is sin and it all carries the same weight in God's eyes BUT HE forgives us so we have to forgive our fellow neighbors.

Actually, no, "we" don't. You can and I can elect not to. You can forgive the pedophiles like Craig Bowen(pled guilty to molesting a niece from the time she was a BABY and we heard the same crap about what a great teacher he was) or these two pervs(lesser crime I will say) all you want, but fortunately, we have other safeguards in place to remove people of this kind of impaired judgment and character from the picture.

None of us are here to judge anyone.

Where do u live...... Wonderland? We have an entire judicial system built around the concept of hearing evidence and both sides and then JUDGING other people. We even have people called JUDGES.

I "judge" people all the time. I don't blindly put my faith and trust into people unworthy of such. That's simple common sense.

Save the ridiculously childish platitudes for Romper Room.


Submitted by tutorials on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 10:03am.

How far adrift we have allowed ourselves to go from the simple teaching “If you can’t say something good about someone or something, don’t say anything” to where we now too often find ourselves involved in the bash business.
Some think the only way to get even, to get attention or advantage, or to win is to bash people. This kind of behavior is never appropriate. Oftentimes character and reputation and almost always self-esteem are destroyed under the hammer of this vicious practice.

JESUS went unto the mount of Olives.
And early in the morning he came again into the temple and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery ; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conciense, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life.

John 8:1-12

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Submitted by deltamom1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:18pm.

I'm not going waste time focusing on insults back to you BUT I live in Fayetteville and my child attends WHS- and is in the BAND which I did say that before. Being a Christian and trying to live in a world with people who don't forgive and who DO judge...strengthens my faith even more. And if you have not ever done or said anything wrong...then kudos to you but I'm smart enough to know that- that is not true.

I know that we do have a judicial system in place and thank GOD that we do for crimes that are committed to those who are innocent...a child who is molested... a victim who was raped...someone who has innocently loss his/her life.... BUT these are two consenting adults who did something illegal and will suffer the consequences. I would never say that they should not have to take whatever punishment our JUDICIAL system gives but I do say this... as a Christian- we are not here to judge anyone and the more focus we put on this is wasted energy. They both have RESIGNED.... They will go before the system to be judged and it is not my place to continue on this bashing band wagon. As I said before, this incident has NOTHING TO DO WITH US...They are no longer at the school... MY goal is to make sure that my son stays focused on his academics and continue to walk in a Christian manner just as my parents taught me. I am very well educated and smart enough to know that everyone deserve second chances-it's what you do with it once you get it. I suggest that those who are truly concerned about what has happened and do care about our kids choose not to participate in the bashing and let the system do their job while we continue supporting WHS and our community. So no, I do not live in Wonderland but I do follow the bible and it's teachings and when one does those things-it is like Wonderland...unfortunately- my name is not Alice.

Submitted by PS1441 on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 5:44am.

You make the statement that you are a Christian, so then I will use your Scriptures as the basis for my discussion.

God laid out laws regarding behavior.

God ordained government to protect the righteous AND the unrighteous in this fallen world. That same government is responsible for punishing those that break the laws put in place by government.

Our government has laws regarding sexual relationships between "consenting" adults and also laws regarding the expected moral behavior of those that work with children.

What a great example of pulling Matthew 7:1 out of context and using it in an attempt to totally halt any discussion.

The passage is not about NOT JUDGING, but being willing to be judged by the same standards.

Since you want to pull verses out of context, let me throw this one up:

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I'm amazed at the lack of "Christian" love and grace you have shown towards Nuk. Seems like you need to do some more reading in your Bible.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 5:28am.

NUK is a good guy...please don't shoot the messenger.

You may want to look at this another way, it might be a blessing for the students and parents.

These people were arrested before for the same thing and it didn't stop them from going back.

They work with teenagers every day, who, they showed a preference for in their solicitation. Consider that the next time, they could have reached out to the closest and most accessible thing...one of their naive, trusting,students.

NUK is only trying to make us laugh at a very bad thing that could have turned into something far worse. By making the jokes about the absurity of it all, he is pointing a finger at where this could have gone. Count your blessings.


Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:10am.

They weren't soliciting minors. The charge is incorrect.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 11:36pm.

but two underage prostitutes. What goes on between two consulting adults is fine--unless you have lived with your head in the sand and are not aware--many of these teen-aged prostitutes are forced into this lifestyle. Some are held as prisioners by their pimps. If this had not been a police set-up I am sure the mother of this underage person would be mollified to learn that the two people who enlisted two minors for kinky sex ( and yes, when it includes more than two people it is kinky) are fine upstanding teachers who has done wonders for the Fine Arts program at Whitewater. This certainly would have made me feel better---not! It is bad enough to think of some slimeball seeking them out but when it is a male and female teacher of young students that is especially sick, sick, sick and nothing you can say will change that fact. Yes, we should practice forgiveness but this is an unforgivable crime. If your child was involved could you in all honesty be so forgiving--truthfully? I doubt it.

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:11am.

the charges are listed incorrectly. They were not soliciting minors.

Submitted by whs12345 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:40pm.

Actually, she makes some very great points. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO "elect" to forgive, but you ARE supposed to forgive. Case in point, Mark 11:25 talks about forgiving others. Look it up. So "electing" to not forgive is like "electing" to not do what god expects of you, which is basically "electing" to go to hell. suit yourself.

Secondly, Yes, they made a wrong decision, but that is THEIR BUSINESS.
THEY are recieving the consequences. THEY have to go to court. Not you. It's common sense. So make your judgements, they do not matter or make a difference to what anyone else thinks.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:17pm.


So "electing" to not forgive is like "electing" to not do what god expects of you, which is basically "electing" to go to hell. suit yourself.

I think you share the same space in ignorant Wonderland as the other poster. Seems you both believe in magical fairy tales, but "suit yourself."

Because reasoned and enlightened people have long ago made "judgments" about certain actions in society is the reason WHY they are facing the consequences now. If no one still believed those actions to be a moral and legal problem, they wouldn't be facing any consequences. People still judge their actions to be reprehensible, hence people and society are still "judging" and in many cases, the concept of forgiveness is not even a remote consideration nor an issue.


Submitted by whs12345 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:13pm.

First of all, YOU must reside in this so-called "Wonderland" if you thought i cared where you THINK i live.I KNOW I live on planet earth..and its definitely not wonderland.
But if you still think that I live in some childish-sounding "dreamland", its good to know that you're in the neighborhood.

You said "People still judge their actions to be reprehensible, hence people and society are still "judging" and in many cases, the concept of forgiveness is not even a remote consideration nor an issue."

I know People have always judged, and probaly always will judge. Just like you. But too say forgiveness is "not even a remote consideration" is very short-sighted.

Lastly, if you are referring to GOD as "magical fairytales", that is very insensate and stolid. You shouldnt' "judge" peoples beliefs. If someone believes something, thats what they believe and there is nothing you can do to change that.Based on the content of your "ignorant" comments, You obviously do not belive in god. "Suit Yourself", it has NO IMPACT on my life. Although I could CARE LESS, It seems like you have "elected" to go to your repulsive, over-heated "wonderland" called hell.

Im done with this "wonderland" thread.

Submitted by jevank on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:28pm.

"short-sighted"
"insensant and stolid"
"ignorant"
"obviously do not belive in god"

Pretty big (although not all real) words for someone who doesn't judge. Then you finish off by condeming Nuk to hell.

You and deltamom remind me of a certain blogger and her hanzom huzband.

Submitted by deltamom1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:33pm.

The only ignorant person typing these messages are you...as based on your comments.... you don't believe in God....of couse that's your choice and I really feel sorry for ignorant people like you....but you know what.... I'm glad that I CHOOSE not to know people such as yourself and it makes me feel better to know that I will not have to put up with those like you when I do go to WONDERLAND!!!!! By your comments....I'm sure that you've done worse than these two individuals....your narrowmindedness has shown through out your responses......When your wrongs..and yes you have plenty catch up with you.... You WILL remember this word----FORGIVENESS....and you know what I forgive you for your childish insults... I'm bigger than that and actually smarter than you.... I don't have to throw out insults to get my point across.....and when you grow up-if you ever do...you will understand.

Submitted by allegedteacher on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 6:51am.

Deltamom1, it is because of your choice to not know certain people that you demonstrate the exact opposite of your saviour's example. I'm NOT a Christian, because I witnessed so few self-proclaimed Christians, like you (by the way, Mrs. educated, smart person, the reflexive pronoun, yourself, should NOT function as a direct object, as you have done in your post),who don't want to associate with the low-life sorts that have differing opinions/lifestyles. Your posts are self-righteous and self-serving; I'm sure your pastor will be proud when you point out your good deeds for the week.

Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:31pm.

are religious fanatics picking on this NUK dude and what does this have to do with two teachers picking up hoes? Smiling

Why do people who claim to be good Christians because they don't judge people, judge other people for judging people?

I am a Christian, but whether I am a good one or not is left up to the Big Guy's decision. I judge people because I have a brain that God gave me and I prefer to use it. I don't put blind faith in people.
These teachers are not victims of anything. They made choices. They broke laws. We get to hear about it because our justice system is public. Get over it.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:56pm.

.....because they knew the two pervs really well, so they can't go off and get all "judgmental" on them because it would call into question their own sense, but they HAVE to have some target for their rage in every situation. It just happens to ne me that's going to Hell now for it, Forget the fact that these two creepy teachers were in charge of plenty of 17 year old students at school and away at functions and it so happens they were trying to hire 17 year old prostitutes....NO.....that's not the issue!


Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:14am.

they weren't soliciting minors. That is a mistake by the legal system.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 8:15am.

WRONG posts? I can just see you sitting in the corner, knees drawn up with your hands over your head crying "Wrong, wrong, wrong". Well to paraphrase an old saying "All those wrongs don't make it right." I am sure if the charges are incorrect the 'wronged' parties can get all the papers and stations to provide a retraction. Actually they were going to that hotel to recruit new members for the band and drama departments. They felt those young prostitutes would make excellent actresses since they have had so much experience pretending they enjoyed being with perverts.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:47am.

Hey Mr. Wrong...before you post another 20 or so messages showing your stupidity, why not go read the ACTUAL CHARGES? They were CHARGED with exactly what has been stated here and on the news. Now, whether you think that's "wrong" is really meaningless.


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:56am.

Go back to class..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON


Submitted by scoop on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 9:07am.

I suspect that DOT is an attorney of one of the defendents or is employed by an attorney of one of the defendents. Trying to influence the jury pool perhaps?

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:21am.

The 1st time, it clearly shows the teacher's mug shot and if you click on the date, it tells you the charge of pandering a minor. Someone else posted this earlier.

http://inmatelookup.co.dekalb.ga.us:8081/inmatelookup


Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 9:56am.

I don't know if it's incorrect or not, but if you will look at this with an objective eye, you will see there are obvious discrepancies here.

First, the charge is listed as 16-6-12 Pandering to a minor AND as also recorded as a misdemeanor. One of those is incorrect as 16-6-12 clearly states:

16-6-12. Pandering.
[snip] A person convicted of the offense of pandering when such offense involves the solicitation of a person under the age of 17 years to perform an act of prostitution [...] shall be guilty of a felony...

Second, WSB TV is in possession of the report detailing the arrest, including the conversations between these two and the undercover agents. At no time in their reporting have they ever reported that the case involved minors.

Third, neither The Citizen or the AJC included discussion of minors in their articles, mentioning only solicitation.

Furthermore, DeKalb Solicitor General Robert James was interviewed by WSB TV and at no time did he mention that minors were involved.

My point is that we do not know for sure that minors were involved.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 10:09am.

When the cops do a sex sting involving underage people, THAT is the whole focus of the sting, and it's definitely a felony, as well as big ,big news. This bust was more along the lines of arresting "johns" and slowing down the prostitution biz in that area of Dekalb Co. I wouldn't be surprised if the pandering to minors bit gets clarified in the next couple of days as the official docs come to light of the charges Doug Dee was in court about yesterday.

Minors or not, you can't have teachers in your school system with sex-related offenses on the payroll, regardless of where the offense(s) took place.


Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 10:48am.

Obviously, my opinion will change significantly if minors were involved. But based on what I know, I expect that the charges are listed incorrectly.

That said, I disagree with your blanket statement that we can't have teachers in our school system with sex-related offenses. There is a world of difference between a person who preys on children, and a person who engages in an sex act that is illegal. Take oral sex and adultery for example. Both are illegal in this state, both are considered sex crimes. Are you suggesting that every school employee who has engaged in oral sex or cheated is a deviant unworthy of being a teacher? I hope not as the schools will be empty...

As for the location, I was merely trying to make a point that this wasn't a classroom sex scandal or an incident that occurred at the Holiday Inn on Tiger Trail, suggesting an attempt to be somewhat discrete. And let's also not forget that if this had taken place in Las Vegas, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. Now if that were the case, would these two still be unsuitable to teach?

Submitted by smile on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 11:08am.

in Las Vegas either. It is legal in other parts of the state. People do get arrested for it in Las Vegas too. The Las Vegas cops have been trying to get people to understand this for years. Smiling

Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 11:20am.

If this had taken place in one of the legal jurisdictions *just outside* Las Vegas, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

Submitted by smile on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 11:30am.

they didn't go where it is legal. They knowingly broke the law. They should be fired for the stupidity if nothing else.

I guess they will burn in hell with NUK (like Deltamom says). Smiling

Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 2:15pm.

If stupidity were grounds for termination, the unemployment rate would be 98%...

As for knowingly broke the law;

Every gotten a speeding ticket, ran a red light? charged with following too close? Gotten any traffic violation? CONGRATULATIONS! You have committed a crime. A misdemeanor in fact.

Ever bought a raffle ticket for your baseball team or scout troup? CONGRATULATIONS! You are an accessory to a FELONY!

But those aren't sex crimes, you say. Ok. Let's continue.

Ever had oral sex, even with your spouse prior to 1999? CONGRATULATIONS! You have committed a "sex crime".

Have you ever used any sex toy without a prescription from a doctor? Misdemeanor and another sex crime...

Ever had sex with ANYONE to whom you were not married at the time? Another sex crime... And listed on the same page/section as the crime they are accused of (16-6-18) I might add.

We could go on all day. Simply breaking the law isn't grounds for dismissal. Nor is sexual habits that you or I may not agree with...

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:22pm.

Love the Sinner hate the Sin.. Sooo arn't we "judging" by hating the Sin?

Just wondering..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON


Submitted by deltamom1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:42pm.

Even if you read it-you probably still want understand it.... I'm not going to continue this with you.... You are a child yourself and I don't have time to teach you.... I leave that to your parents.

As far as the Bible... you don't have to read it but don't be smart by second guessing...how you live your life is your business.... It's not about you or me..... This is getting way off subject but maybe that's good...maybe I will teach you something..... but I've wasted enough time with you....state your last response to me... but don't expect a response...... I stand by my first comment on this subject matter -again, I've wasted enough time and people like you are who you are... Don't think that I'm trying to change you...I'm not....

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:55pm.

I've probably read the Bible cover to cover about 6 times over the course of my life. Any other totally WRONG assumptions would you like to make?

I don't see where the Bible and Christianity have a thing to with this issue. It's about crime and punishment and people having a spazz over it being reported in the news and bloggers commenting on it. The theological issues are probably best left to another discussion as it would overwhelm this one in about 5 minutes or someone would post something asinine like "awww.....yer going to hail fer dat!"


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Submitted by deadeye on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:23pm.

What were these people thinking...I knew Mr Dee when my daughter was at WHS and who would of ever thought it. Im shocked...


Submitted by ptcrealtor on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:25pm.

How stupid can 2 people be? These people deserve whatever they have coming to them. For those who say innocent until proven guilty...The whole encounter was caught on video, so get over it.

Submitted by WHSalumnus on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:24pm.

Please be considerate to those of us who are deeply saddened by this event. As a former student of Mrs. Butler, I know firsthand that she was not only an excellent music teacher, but also a role model and friend to many of us. Mrs. B put countless after-school hours into her work in order to give us the experiences we had. Anyone involved in productions of Whitewater Spectacular knows how hard she worked on it and what a positive experience it was to be a part of it. She facilitated our creativity and boosted our confidence through her encouragement, turning many of us shy musician-types into performers.

Yes Mrs. Butler had a very serious lapse in judgment but she is a kind, warm person who had nothing but the best intentions towards her students. This is a huge loss to Whitewater and it is a shame that future students will miss out on everything she has to offer.

Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:28pm.

comments, then don't read them.

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Submitted by whitewaterstude... on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:45pm.

why are all of you defending them if they wanted to continue teaching at the school they should have not done what they done

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:50pm.

They apparently didn't teach you English and spelling.
inocent--for innocent
there-- for they are
done what they done-- for did what they did

Submitted by eem8 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:01pm.

if theyve impacted so many lives and all their band students and chorus people, then why would they embarrass them like that? they are figure heads of these kids! I'm a student at whs and i know how freaking hard the band kids work (they better, cause i have to bust my butt to move my car everyday so they can practice) and i've seen spec and how awesome it is...why jeopardize all that and the kids respect and reputation just to fulfill some sick creepy fantasy? i think theyre getting what they had coming to them...and for the record, they left before they were fired...they were not fired...

Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:53pm.

Like I try to teach my nieces and nephews, don't do anything if you can't handle the consequences. Instead of crying for these two teachers, why don't we thank all the ones who do the right thing and make the right choices and lead by example.
Good deeds do not cancel out bad deeds. You can make better choices in your future but you must take responsibility for your current actions.

Submitted by sarah_turner on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:43pm.

I have know Mrs. B for a long time, she has been a huge role model for me. I need more of the facts on this. I respect and love her with all of my heart but, I agree that crimes of a sexual nature mean that neither of them should have their jobs back. I don't think that they should be around 14 year old children with that kind of record following them around. Mrs. Butler and Mr. Dee MADE that fine arts department at whitewater. It will never be the same without them. But they must deal with the consequences of their actions. I just wish i knew what was gonna happen to my old chorus now. I am disappointed beyond belief.

Submitted by formerWHSstudent on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:59pm.

...that some people have their heads on straight. Yes, they should have to face the consequences of their actions. The chorus, I'm worried about. The band had Jene who is an amazing teacher. Sarah, and everyone else, you need to look at the facts.

This is Mrs. Butler's arrest from May 12th.
http://inmatelookup.co.dekalb.ga.us:8081/inmatelookup

The two of them were arrested again, together, sometime after that. Here is another story with more details.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20838904/detail.html

Please people....be logical. You don't need to work around children with morals that are this skewed. Yes whsdad, I have committed a crime before; like you said, everyone has. But until I get arrested for "PANDERING PERSONS UNDER 17 YEARS OF AGE" I'll cast as many stones as I want.

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:19am.

These facts are incorrect. They were not arrested for the same thing twice. It was not minors. The legal system has entered the charges INCORRECTLY. This is just one more example of the messed up legal system.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:23am.

but it surely shows bad judgement of your clients...twice!

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Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:42pm.

This story makes me glad my niece attends Jonesboro High School in the dreaded Clayton County. Smiling To think all those times I tried to get my sister to move to Fayette County for my niece's sake.

By the way, this story was on the news and it is a little more than what this article says. It involves Craig's List. These people knew better. They are teachers. You know when you become a teacher you are going to be held to a higher standard espceially when it comes to crimes involving minors. I don't pity these adults. They made their own choices. When you make choices in life you have to be able to handle the consequences. My 5th grade teacher taught me that by the way.
I am sure they were popular with students/parents but the only people the students/parents should be blaming for losing good teachers is these two morons for doing something they knew was wrong and could cost them their jobs. When I make choices I know I will have to deal with the consequence, good or bad.

Submitted by sickntired on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 2:57pm.

..in the nation to lose accreditation since 1969? Just because SOME scum got through the Fayette County systems, doesn't mean it isn't one of the best school systems in the state. Did you ever stop to think that maybe you don't hear about this kind of stuff from Clayton County schools, because they don't have high standards/punishments for their teachers?? Well, FC does, and that's why you hear about us getting rid of them, vs. keeping them around.

But other than that, I definitely agree, they were morons for doing something this stupid. I don't feel sorry for them at all. They ruined their lives on their own, therefore they can take the consequences.

Submitted by smile on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 3:22pm.

I meant that comment in a joking manner. I have argued with my sister for years to move to a better school district because I thought my niece would suffer in the future if she did not. I was wrong. My niece is a senior. She is a stragiht "A" honor student. She is in all advanced classes and advanced placement classes. She is in both academic and art/fine arts classes including some that are way over my head (meaning I never heard of them or knew they were offered at the high school level). She will be going to college next fall on a full academic scholarship (not including the Hope). Clayton County does have its accreditation now so that is not an issue for her. She has never felt scared or unsafe at her school and there are a lot of wonderful students, teachers, and staff there.
Basically what I am trying to say is...education is what you make of it. Never use being in a bad school district as an excuse for not acheiving all you can academically. Do not listen to all these snotty people from Fayette County who think only they will be able to reach their goals and dreams because they are in a better school district. Education is for everyone, no matter how rich or poor your parents are. It may be harder to achieve your goals but it all comes down to whether you make the effort and push yourself.
My niece wants to be an elementary school teacher by the way. I am sure she will be top notch. Go Cardinals!
Also, I never said Fayette County wasn't a good school system. That was the point of my joke.

Submitted by sickntired on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 4:06pm.

that I took you seriously.

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:20am.

the charges are wrong. They weren't soliciting minors.

Submitted by andrewsellers on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:01pm.

I believe you people at The Citizen are insensitive pigs for having posted this. This is very painful to the many lives that these two people have had the ability to influence in positive ways. Please please consider removing this article from your site.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:22pm.

tell them how terrible they were for showing the news? Did you tell them to stop? We are not talking about two teen-agers with an undeveloped sense of right from wrong These are two adults who are responsible for teaching young impressionable people. It doesn't matter how 'nice' they are, how 'great' they were as teachers--they committed a crime and they were caught. They knew the consequences going in but evidently that didn't matter to them. It may be a hard lesson for teen-agers to learn but I would prefer they learn this lesson than the fact that it is okay 'because everybody sins and everybody makes a mistake' so let's just give them a slap on the wrist and forget about it. It may be tough but it will be a lesson they will long remember.

Submitted by smile on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:47pm.

of free speech? You want a newspaper to remove a story because it might be uncomfortable for someone? There would be no newspapers if they were not allowed to write articles that might embarrass or hurt someone. The laws are the laws. Prostitution is illegal in our state. If you don't like it, fight to change it or move to Nevada.

Submitted by PS1441 on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:50am.

Smile, THIS is an example of what kids are being taught in the schools. They have little or no understanding of the value of liberty.

Submitted by proud_whs_student on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:05pm.

thanks drew...you are so right!

Submitted by JokerUnicorn on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:54pm.

I just can't believe Ms.Butler would do such things. She is an amazing teacher that has helped me better my voice and gain a lot of confidence since I joined her class as a freshman. She not only taught all of us how to sing, but also helped us with problems we were having in our lives. I've known Ms.Butler since she was at Fayette County High School, where she taught two of my brothers, and so this surprises me immensely.

Submitted by proud_whs_student on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:01pm.

all of the details. It could just be something we don't understand. I love Mrs.Butler too, and i think she should get her job back and so should he, but this was just something that whs has to move on from. She made a mistake. I think people are overreacting

Submitted by proud_whs_student on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:43pm.

I am a student at WHS and believe that something like that should not force them to quit working for the school. We had plans that we still wish to go through with them involved. It's not fair that they have to be forced to quit. Grease and the Talent Show? WHS spec?? those things, I as a senior, dont wish to miss. Please dont give up "whsdad", you have our support! give them what they deserve....their jobs!

Submitted by buckyk13 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:37pm.

Please go back to school, respect your teachers, and ignore the adults who act like they know something and really don't. Also, I request that you look up "ethics" and "rule of law" when you get the chance. Teachers cannot commit many crimes and hope to maintain a job--much less crimes related to sexual misconduct and minors.

Finally, they were not "forced" to quit. They did the intelligent thing and resigned before it really got messy.

Submitted by whsdad on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:28pm.

What the he** is wrong with the people in this county. 12 years of dedicated loyal service to our children and we let Mr. Dee go because of a personal indiscretion that occurred on the other side of town and in no way threatened the safety of our students or his ability to teach them music?

You judge a man's character by the sum of his actions, not by a single action that you find offensive. And Doug Dee dedicated his life to our kids 80+ hours a week for the past 12 years. Do the math, that's about 50,000 hours. Weigh that against a single hour of indiscretion.

And for those parents who want to wave the "But it's illegal" banner, I would suggest you look in the mirror first. Having an extramarital affair is illegal. Oral sex is illegal. Drinking before 21 is illegal.
Ever done any of those? Then you lack the right to cast a stone.

Doug, I have known you for several years, and I have seen what you have done for our children. Tear up your resignation and get back to your podium. Our kids need you there.

Special note to the FCBOE and WHS administration: If I learn that you had a hand in "encouraging" Mr. Dee to resign, you had better hope that there are no skeletons in your own closets as I will make digging through them my new hobby.

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Submitted by rzz on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 11:53am.

At what point if any, at what level of illegality if any, would you find it appropriate to fire or ask these teachers to resign? According to the links on the Dekalb County Sheriff's website they both were arrested and arraigned on two counts of pandering under the age of 17 which is age of my daughter and I don't give a flip if it was in another county or country, these two don't deserve or need to be around any other kids, assuming the charges are true, of course.


Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 1:54pm.

"Contrary to previous media reports, there is nothing in the police report to indicate that Dee thought the prostitutes were underage." - John Munford, The Citizen Newspaper

Submitted by buckyk13 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:33pm.

Teachers have ALWAYS been held to higher standards within our society. And don't we want to keep it that way? These people basically shape and form the minds of our youngest and we would want two persons that supposedly solicited MINORS to teach children of the same age?

Maybe you don't condemn a man forever for an action such as this, but please do not pretend that being on the "other side of town" has anything to do with this. I must have also missed the memo talking about how solicitation protects the safety of our students along the way.

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:24am.

the "minor" charge is incorrect. It's another blunder by the legal system that has destroyed these people's lives.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:06pm.

You make like them...

I do not care if the teachers hang naked from the chandeliers on their own time if they don't bring it to school or do a bad job teaching. It is their life..

.BUT..

When they got arrested the 1st time..THAT WAS THEIR WAKE UP CALL. They were given a second chance.

Most people would have got down on their hands and knees and thanked God for that break. They didn't use it.

It was like they got a warning and didn't care. It was their choice to go back again. The police aren't crazy...I'm sure they hoped they would never see them again...They made the decision...knowing full well the dangers...and got caught.


Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:26am.

this only happened once. There were two arrests for two people for the same offense. It's not that it happened twice. And they weren't soliciting minors.

Submitted by deathorders on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:48am.

I always knew Mr. Dee was a disgusting, twisted sick pervert. He cheated on his wife and two kids, God punished him real well.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:13pm.

I'm sure they reflected on how much control or respect they would have out of the children if they found out.

They knew, and risked it, when they went back the 2nd time knowing the consiquences. They gave that up, and would never be able to control those kids again. They knew that, and decided it was worth it. Plain and simple


Submitted by youuuu... on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:00pm.

Because if you are thank you for practicing "good" parenting and actually advocating that a soon to be sex offender should teach children. You're right none of us are without sin. I certainly don't claim to be, and I don't know anyone who does. However, I do know people that want there children to be taught by upstanding citizens, you know, the kind that don't solicit sex with minors. Is this really the kind of person you want spending "about 50,000 hours" with children? And you're right how dare that WHS administration "encourage" him to resign. You know all he did was get arrested for soliciting minors! Oh and by the way fail to report it to the FCBOE.
Just some stuff to think about.

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:28am.

They were not soliciting minors. The incorrect charge is a devastating blunder by the Dekalb County legal system.

Submitted by Pacific on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:00pm.

Why do you have to go off threatening administration because these two people used bad judgement and got caught doing something illegal? Did you ever stop to think how the teachers and staff and yes the administration felt today when they learned of all of this. Mr. Dee and Ms. Butler were their friends and co-workers. I am sure they all felt shocked and hurt by this news today. If you walked the halls this afternoon you surely would have witnessed this. You should also realize that teachers are held to a higher standard and the letter sent home stated they resigned voluntarily. Maybe we all need to just pull together and support WHS and their faculty, staff, administration and students in this difficult time. They do not need anymore bashing, they need our prayers and support to get through this. Oh and remember, Mr. Dee and Ms. Butler created this mess, not the school system.

Submitted by allegedteacher on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 6:55pm.

I refer you to the Georgia Educator's Code of Ethics. Teachers are required to read it at the beginning of every school year, at a minimum, AND adhere to it in order to keep their Georgia teaching credentials. Sorry for the poor judgement of the band and chorus directors at WHS; their sexual predilections must have been very compelling that they were willing to risk their careers. I do not judge these teachers for their misdeeds; the law does that. Very talented, great teachers can have some flaws, you know? Let it go and give their replacements a fighting chance.

Submitted by grey_ghost on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:59pm.

I think before you go defending the "man" maybe you should check out the Dekalb County Sheriff's website. They were arrested for pandering under the age of 17 years of age. Yes it's true that they went out of their own county to do it, but does that make it any less of a crime? I've looked at myself in the mirror and I like what I see so yes I'm pretty comfortable passing judgement on them. School is supposed to be a safe place for children to go and having someone teaching children with an arrest record for soliciting prostitution from a minor whether they did it or not, but is charged with it, makes me uneasy sending my child to school. KUDOS to the school board!

Submitted by defenderoftruth on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 7:32am.

They were not soliciting minors. The incorrect charge is a devastating blunder by the Dekalb County legal system.

Submitted by Andre65 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:47pm.

The assistant principal, if anyone remembers, was arrested and spent the night in jail. She still has a job and if rumors are/were correct, she wasn't properly certified at that time to even accept that position. There is definitely something going on. Double standards? You do some digging whsdad.....something smells rotten at that school. I hope you find it.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:45pm.

are you related or do you know the "solicitors"? I am really curious as to how the woman got arrested as well. Driving together in Dekalb trolling for hookers? It certainly makes chaperoning the band and choir trips a bit more challenging for those poor parents.
These types of crimes are considered enough of an aberration to harm a career in teaching. Most non-teachers know this and I assume that teachers know this as well. Their "alleged" actions have killed their careers. I hope that getting their "freak on" was worth it.


Submitted by whsdad on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:21pm.

Yes, I know Doug quite well. He taught my children and I have been one of those chaperone's. Your implication that his behaviour at work is anything but professional is preposterous and based in ignorance.

Submitted by grey_ghost on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 8:17pm.

Doug Dee's professionalism as a teacher is not in question here. His actions as a figure head are. Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers, Judges and others who work in "community" related jobs are held to a higher standard. There is an unspoken rule for these types that says you must live right and set examples for those who look up to you. I feel for the students. They were hurt the most in this. The two teachers in question have let everyone down. The students, the faculty, the county board of education and their families. They were good teachers who threw it all away on a stupid decision. Tragic and pathetic. Doug Dee entered into an affair with Ms. Butler and turned his back on his marriage. I'll bet you didn't know that about your boy Doug did you.

Submitted by proud_whs_student on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 4:50pm.

Do you know either one of them? have you ever met Mr. Dee or Mrs. Butler?? Have you ever carried on a conversation with them? if not, you have no clue how these people really are. "let the person with no sin, cast the first stone"

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Submitted by moviecrazy on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:03pm.

"Knowing" someone does not make their actions any less criminal.....

"This is the most fun I've had without lubricant". Adam from Saw


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Submitted by matt.barnes on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:00pm.

Did you even read the story? They were arrested for solicitation.


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