this is a gigantic red herring. sorry you hate black people and democrats, whereas the entire ideological construct of your political views is negated by the fact that the media homogenizes the differences and evokes the same image of both parties, so please stop kidding yourself with the idea that you can turn this misdemeanor into a political dialogue, since you can't because the two are unrelated, and you must really have a sorry story if the best arguments you can make are on the citizen forum. the only reason i'm commenting is because i find every possible outlet of procrastination i can. for you, i'm assuming quite unfairly you're a sort of glenn beck, pseudo-libertarian fan. please, read a little more philosophy and know what it is to fall off the back of the pickup truck, no one's falling for these ridiculous appeals to emotion, and a myriad of other fallacies, but they are hard to deduce, since an unclear argument leads to unclear analysis.

"Contrary to previous media reports, there is nothing in the police report to indicate that Dee thought the prostitutes were underage." - John Munford, The Citizen Newspaper

"EVERYONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!" Sure hope none of you who wrote such negative blogs are on a jury!!!! How quick we are to judge!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW ARE THEY NOT PROVEN GUILTY ALREADY? COME ON!?! I have a hard time believing that someone who hands the money straight to the COPS (thinking that they are prostitutes under the age of 17) has any ounce of innocence in the crime, whatsoever. Thats like a murderer killing someone in front of a policeman, and then claiming they didn't do it!! They committed the crime. Half-witted, but whole-heartedly, therefore, let them take the consequences.

Come on, always looking to BLAME someone. Leave the School Resource Officer out of your "blame game." Seems to me the "arresting county" is responsible in getting the info to the right source. Unless the info provided to them, at time of arrest, did not indicate the teachers true occupation. Maybe this will encourage the state and counties to "perfect" a system to report such arrest to authorities to reduce future risk to our children.

OR maybe we could blame all janitors who knew this couple, after all janitors are to clean up everyone's mess!

Sex, Blood, and Money the foundation of all news editors decision making. i.e. JonBenit Ramsey first appeared in the AJC buried in the National News section, one small paragraph. You got sex, beauty queen, death, wealthy family, mystery who done it. I said then it would not stay on the back page for long.

Well that is why they all watch FOX--all the lechs and lechesses!

I just know you've been spending all your time on Craigslist, probably posting over and over "THERE ARE COPS HERE, LOOK OUT!" or telling everyone they are wrong.

Anyways, I glanced around and I think I found an ad in the Craigslist Personals that might be....YOURS????

Got Viagra?

Are you ready to blog?

Allow me to point out one small factoid. You told us all you like watching "the babes on FOX in short skirts turned just right for a good view" read the teleprompter. Then you tried to pass it off as "satire". No dice old man. The guilty dog barks.....

It is a little over the top isn't it? There are at least 15-20 comments from the same poster (with the same blog title - wrong).

Many of the comments are from students. Regardless of grammatical errors or a lack of maturity in formulating an argument...I have to commend any student that took it upon themselves to express their opinion in this forum. They could have been playing their x-box, but instead opted to be a voice in their community. Hopefully the school system will do better by them and teach them how to formulate an articulate argument - that should come with age and wisdom.

It's a little of everything. Sex, the justice system, religion, and politics. (We knew politics would get dragged into it.)

Poor NUK was up past midnight trying to come to terms with being condemned to hell. He finally summed it up around 12:30. Pretty funny stuff if you haven't read it yet.

The good news: Two new jobs opened up in Fayette County!

"It's amazing how one can profess to living in a way that promotes love, forgiveness and understanding while simultaneously adhering to such adament close-mindedness."

*applause*

Your anti-religious views are noted and the adnauseam-ness of it was also evident. You may not imagine the right to condemn anyone to hell, but you have reserved yourself the right to condemn us to boredom and your own sanctimonious-ness. Did you ever stop to think about why you feel they shouldn't be in the school system? You chose to stand upon the bedrock of the rule of law and state the obvious. It is pretty easily spelled out in the Code of Conduct. It isn't a dangerous ledge upon which to stand. What do you really think is the genesis of the law in this circumstance-prostitution and underage involvement. Gee, guess what? It would be the Judeo-Christian religion. Sacre Bleu!

1) I don't hold anti-religious views. In general I am a fan of religion. I hold anti-mixing-religion-with-education-forum and anti-holier-than-thou views. Different things.
2) I apologize for your wasted time in both reading my entire post and feeling the urge to respond. It was obviously not boring enough for you to glaze over it and forget about it. Yay for adding zest to the day.
3) Is it not an outrage that something as bedrock as the rule of law and Code of Conduct still escaped these 2 teachers? Is that not worth commenting about?
4) Why does posting in the Fayette Citizen have to be something dangerous? I'm more expressing my response, albeit pedantic because I am offended, to what happened to a teacher I had for 4 years than trying to win a case.

...and the Judeo-Christian religion, they should be put to death:

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

How did the fundies end up hijacking this thread?

"How did the fundies end up hijacking this thread?"

Uhhh, because idiots like you were the competition.

You know, idiots who can't think for themselves. Idiots who get all their thoughts and beliefs from left-wing blogs and op-eds. Idiots who harp on crinolines and little girl pageants, while insulting anyone who dares express religious beliefs they don't have. Idiots who insult everything Southern, while living here. Idiots who alienate every single person on here by trying to be controversial, yet really end up just being bitchy. Idiots who are so far away from the mainstream thoughts of this country, yet perceive they are and actually call themselves that. Idiots who think they are intellectually superior, yet prove otherwise constantly. Idiots who wish they could match wits, yet suck at it and keep coming back for more. Idiots who formally cede the thread to "the right" multiple times, but just can't quite stay away. Like you.

Make sense now? I doubt it.

Mainstream thought as you think it is DEAD!

Just as women can't vote, slavery, eighteen year olds can fight but not vote, blacks can't do anything but work, Christianity is the ONLY
everything, sex is OK for me but not others (any kind), I'll define hypocrisy, I'll define porno, (it is everything except what I do), I'm dumb but try to argue with knowledgeable people, still fighting the civil war, and wants more patriotic wars somewhere.

It is dead!

Exodus 23-1.."Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.

Deuteronomy 19:18..The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother,

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

I am not suggesting that there should be any biblical punishment. Au contrare... It is just a bit vexing to see someone spew about religion but yet, still wants these people to be banished from teaching. Why banish them if you want to banish religious principles? Hey Mainstream. You can probably wait out the complete secularization of US society and then you can get legalized prostitution and kiddie involvement. You can celebrate on that special day. Maybe even show up in crinoline as a tribute to past struggles.

>> Me also thinks most people would agree that Mr. Dee and Ms. Butler
>> have been charged with a morally reprehensible crime.

*Assuming that minors were not involved* (which is debatable), I do not find their crimes morally reprehensible. Nor do I believe that an act is morally reprehensible simply because it is a crime. Running a red light is a crime, but I do not find it morally reprehensible.

Conversely, I do not believe that an act should be a crime simply because it morally reprehensible. As an example of that, I would cite a drunken worthless father. Certainly morally reprehensible, but not a criminal act punishable by rule of law.

>> if an otherwise outstanding citizen commits a {deleted}
>> crime, does the fact (or appearance) that they had been outstanding
>> citizens lessen the criminality of their actions?

The criminality? No. And the judge will likely not give that much consideration when he/she passes sentence. But what's being demanded here in this forum goes way beyond the legal ramifications of their crime. They don't want them to face a measured penalty for their crime, they want their entire lives destroyed. I'm sorry people, but that's not justice (again assuming no minors involved). Using those standards, any one of you who has even been at fault in a car accident should never be allowed to drive again. Any one of you who has defaulted on a debt should never be allowed to have an account anywhere. Etc.. And that's just insanity...

I suspect that DOT is an attorney of one of the defendents or is employed by an attorney of one of the defendents. Trying to influence the jury pool perhaps?

I have my suspicions about this as well. Pandering (solicitation) of a person under the age of 17 is a FELONY in Georgia. Although the text entry says under17YOA, their charges are specifically listed as a misdemeanor. Additionally, their bond was recorded as $500, pretty low for a felony charge (minimum $1000 fine and/or 1yr in jail).

Furthermore, WSB TV who has obtained a hard copy of the complete arrest report (shown briefly on TV last evening) did not mention minors anywhere in any of their reporting. I can't imagine that any news outlet would fail to capitalize on such a significant detail when the case involved two HS teachers.

DoT, can you post a link to the docket? All I can find is the case record and disposition.

That said; If I am is correct in my belief that they no minors were involved in this situation, then I stand by my earlier statement that they should be allowed to retain their teaching positions. What happens between consenting adults behind closed doors is no business of anyone but the people behind that door. And to let two talented teachers go because you happen to disapprove of their bedroom habits is stupidity. What's next, firing everyone who has had an affair? How about homosexuals?

First, I do admire your passion in attempting to defend two people who you apparently think well of - and they may have, in the past, been exceptional teachers who deserved that defense.

But you say, "If I am is correct in my belief that they no minors were involved in this situation, then I stand by my earlier statement that they should be allowed to retain their teaching positions. What happens between consenting adults behind closed doors is no business of anyone but the people behind that door."

And that is where you lose me - there is a bit more to this than just "consenting adults behind closed doors". They apparently hired two prostitutes from a Craig's List ad. While that MIGHT not mean they should lose their jobs if they were assembly line workers or car salesmen, I believe we should hold those who work directly with our children to a much higher standard. That has been a long-standing tradition in education, and I don't think we should consider watering it down!

I do understand the heartbreak of many of the students, friends and co-workers of this couple and you have my sympathy. I also understand that at least one of the two has children - how incredibly selfish of a parent to risk this kind of embarrassment for their children!

They BOTH have kids. Butler has one that I know of, and Dee has two little boys. And I was feeling sorry for them last night, they're lives are ruined too.

"I believe we should hold those who work directly with our children to a much higher standard. That has been a long-standing tradition in education, and I don't think we should consider watering it down!"

ABSOLUTELY. And I bet most people think Dee only taught at WHS, well, he also taught at Brooks Elementary. There's no telling what's running through their curious little minds.

Sorry, WHS dad. Your logic is flawed beyond a response.

>> Your logic is flawed beyond a response.

Now there's a pathetic argument if I have ever heard one. I'm wrong, but you won't put your own opinion out there for scrutiny.

Since my logic is so wrong, why don't you bestow your wisdom upon me and explain how. And why don't you follow that up by putting our own opinion our there for public scrutiny. That is, if you have the guts to...

>> I suspect that DOT is an attorney of one of the defendents

Speaking of flawed logic. The details of the case (including a transcript of the arrest) are public record and will be provided verbatim to anyone involved, including the jury. Nothing said here in this tiny forum is going to have any real impact on the litigation of this case, and no intelligent counsel would employ people to salt a chat room...

Also, it's defendants.

I have to ask - are you seriously suggesting that the administration is at fault for not keeping a closer watch on their faculty? Seriously? So according to you, Mr. Stillions should be asking his teachers on a regular basis if they've committed any felony acts? Or maybe we need to pay someone to constantly check arrest records for all 159 Georgia counties? C'mon now.

When you hire someone to be a teacher, I think you have a reasonable expectation that the person you're hiring is a person of character. Call me crazy.

Do you honestly think that if these 2 teachers had worked for a different principal they would have thought twice before doing what they did? Give me a break. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Mr. Stillions was the last thing on their minds when they were trying to hire prostitutes.....

The principal cannot be faulted for the actions of these two teachers, but there is clearly a leadership deficit at WHS. Rumors (true or not) have been swirling about these teachers long before this scandal. Someone in authority should have addressed this distraction and demanded a sense of descretion ESPECIALLY since so many impressionable students look up to these teachers. The leadership at WHS doesn't care about the school's reputation and it's beginning to look like the FCBOE doesn't either.

as always you are so funny! You always have a witty way of punching holes in the absurd BS people throw up as excuses.

Should we start referring to this as "Watergate"?

"Politics is the second oldest profession. I'm beginning to think that it bares a remarkable resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan

Your grammar and spelling is pitiful. You must have been one of those out of county football players we read so much about.

I guess the faculty has moved from texting, to sexting, to soliciting.

By the way, didn't these two have an affair with each other while married to two other people right under the school system's nose?

Well, even though the school system can't manage their personnel, at least the system can manage money.... NOT!

Honestly, I had to read a couple sentences several times to understand what the heck the person was trying to say. haha.

And yes, suspicions were aroused when they both got a divorce at relatively the same time. Especially since they were always back and forth in each other's classrooms..

Teachers who taught you words like "regaurless"? Teachers who were "nothing good teachers in the class roommm"? That speaks highly for the educational standards they set forth...

Regardless, one need not know a person to understand the potentially grave repercussions of such behavior. Suggesting that these actions should be ignored in light of their wonderful instruction is as ridiculous as suggesting that we should forget about a bank robbery committed by a man because he volunteered in a soup kitchen. One act does not negate the other.

The fact is, these actions are of public concern because Mr. Dee and Ms. Butler were employees of the county. Their crimes will impact the lives of countless students and the example they set through their actions will speak volumes for their character.

It's fine that you admired these teachers, but please don't expect others to remain silent. These are serious offenses.

Here's a question for you: did you personally know Hitler? How about Charles Manson? Stalin? Ed Gein? Ted Bundy? HEY..................YOU CAN'T BE TALKING BAD ABOUT THEM NOW! YOU AIN'T BEEN KNOWING DEM! AIN'T NONE OF YER BIDNESS!

Some real deep-thinking here tonight. I think I'll walk outside and check for a full moon.

It's sad that so many of you have such a negative oppinion about Fayette Co High School. It's a great school with great students. I personally wouldn't want my child at any other school.

How did you manage to read what I said and come to that conclusion?

That's the way FCHS is referred to "Fayette Co". I had to look twice myself, and I hadn't known you I might have been mistaken myself.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Had I said Fayette County High School, it still wouldn't have been a negative comment about the school:) I said I hoped the writer was NOT a student at one of our schools.

I KNOW that, just trying to help, so, whatever.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Maybe they could have ACORN show them how to write off their escapades as entertainment expenses.

Hahahahaha.....perfect!

Well maybe not sincerely, but the white guy that owns ACORN fired the black chick who was so very helpful to the prostitute and her efforts to import underage girls. Shame she had to be fired for becoming a distraction to ACORN's real mission - the 2010 census. They did change their name (I mean who wouldn't) but it is the same group.

The one who was fired sure knew a lot about mortgage fraud. Maybe she can get a job with Fanny Mae or Fredie Mac. Barney Frank's live-in boyfriend still works for one of them doesn't he?

Anybody out there need an Obama bumper sticker remover?

in the parking lot of Wal-Mart.. I actually stopped to watch.. He finally noticed me.. Dropped his head and went back to work.

Late converts are better then no converts I guess. There is hope for 2010.

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

They lost their jobs. Got it. I'm not saying that this shouldn't have happened. You have to accept the consequences for your own actions, but that doesn't change our loss. People we looked up to have let us down. BIG TIME. I am disappointed, but still upset. I'm still sad. And I will still miss both of them dearly. Because I know what our fine arts program has lost. And as a part of that program, I too am at a loss.

YES It's their fault, but pointing fingers doesn't change the fact.

what ive seen from being a former student almost every single teacher there, was like that..didnt teach..gave opinions, instead of teaching what we needed to learn they taught us what they decided was appropriate, as in their beliefs and they're opinions, i don't know how many times i walked out of a class room because i didnt agree with a teacher on what he or she believed or because they chose not to teach that day because they didnt feel like it, it made them mad. what happend to teaching? I honestly dont see it anymore.

At Whitewater I dont ever really find myself in the position in class where I feel the need to get up and walk out...everyone has their opinions, teachers included, and its pretty much impossible to talk about a subject without letting your opinions and feelings toward that subject slip out or be known. I agree, personally, that Butler had her favorites as does every teacher at our school...its a way of life. Get over it.
But most importantly, the last person ANYBODY needs to be blaming is Stillions. He was obviously blindsided just like everyone else...thats part of the reason why they are in so much trouble. He had no idea and he is handling it as best as anybody else would in that situation. He certainly had no way of knowing that he had a bunch of creepers in his school just like none of us did.

To some degree, I agree with you. As a former teacher and future school counselor, I don't think being entirely objective is the way to go. For example, I taught social studies and I often shared my own views. Was I ever oppressive or discriminatory after that fact? Absolutely not. By never sharing one's views, however, you run the risk of not fully participating in the class dynamics.

Students care about what adults--especially teachers--think and believe. Its when the democratic process breaks down and one-way pedagogy reigns that something has gone horribly wrong. Sorry for the "bird-walk."

getting worse, i mean.

"Mrs. Butler was always trying to get the best out of her students." and "4 years these are the pick-me-up classes that make our days worth it."

Picking up a couple of kids your age to try and get something out of them is why they are in jail.

Do you ever consider what you are saying BEFORE you say it?
By the way, did you know they were having an extramarital affair?
Are these REALLY what you think role models should be?

Ughhhh ... folks, herein lies the danger.

"4 years these are the pick-me-up classes that make our days worth it."

Maybe for some, but for many more, they were the "omg, I don't wanna go" classes.

All of you say that you knew Mr.Dee and Ms.Butler, but obviously you did not. I am not a chorus or band student, but I knew of the good things both of these people have done for their students. I saw people who were solid as a rock, crumble as they heard there favorite teachers were fired. You only knew the Dee and Butler that they wanted you to see and I agree what they did was wrong. He obviously deserves ridicule, but realize he has lost his job, his passion, and most likely his wife. This is still his fault but if it werent for this bubble we live in around Fayette county this wouldnt even scratch the surface of the meida. The only reason this is dissapointing to me is that no one seems to understand that teachers are held to a higher standard than most. They are our educators, role models and friends, but rolemodels will not put themselves in a position where their character and morals are challenged. It is a shame to see good people go, but if your willing to put your work on the line for some sex then so be it. Do as you will.

Dee is DIVORCED. He is not married. He and Mrs. butler have been dating for a while. It's not just some random one night fling. SHUTDOWN.

For the record....he and his ex-wife divorced last year.

Dee went through a divorce last year....so did Mrs. Butler. And do you know why?.....BECAUSE OF AN AFFAIR! Don't make it seem so innocent like they started dating after they got divorced. They got divorced because they started dating.

Actually...MRS. Butler IS NOT DIVORCED YET!!!! She is still married, divorce was never completed. And these two jokers are supposed to be role models for HS kids yeah right! Couldn't have happened to a much more deserving couple! However, MRS. Butler's child and Mr. Dee's children DO NOT deserve to have parents like this. Maybe one day they will learn from their hair brain ideas, though highly unlikely.

They weren't minors. That is 100% incorrect and it's another mistake the legal system made to ruin these people's lives.

I suspect that DOT is an attorney of one of the defendents or is employed by an attorney of one of the defendents. Trying to influence the jury pool perhaps?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one!

You're doing an excellent job of further "ruining" their lives by calling non-stop attention to them by posting the same message 20 or so times, just in case anyone hadn't heard the story yet. Good work, and I'm sure they appreciate the extra attention.

they should not let the "kiddies" text while in class.. No wonder we have some of the lowest scores in the Country..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Are you saying that Whitewater/ Fayette county has some of the lowest scores in the country? Where did you read that? Because THATS absoulte bull.

And for the record they don't let the "kiddies" text while in class.

"She showed obvious favor towards a select group and against kids who didn't fit into her little clique."

Ms.Butler actually discouraged cliques. Sure, she had some people in her classes that she was closer to, but that was because she spent more time with them because they did All State and other things like that. But she was never against anyone but her students who were rude and showed no respect for what the class was all about.

...that she spent so much time talking about cliques because she had been accused of it before. If you were in chorus, as you said you were, then you would have realized that there was a group of kids that she showed favoritism towards. I was in chorus at WHS as well and realized that. There isn't anything wrong with showing favoritism, honestly every teacher does it whether they admit it or not, but please don't neglect the facts.

I have to agree. I remember spending a whole class period talking about why cliques are so bad as well as a day about inner beauty and accepting everyone for who they are.

He's the one who wrote the drill for the marching band shows, Took certain sections and helped them with their music, NEVER YELLED IF WE WEREN'T PERFECT, and was alot more patient and understanding with us(better qualities for a teacher). Jean always was, and always will be a better band teacher, and if you ask around, I can guarantee many many many people will agree that they like Jean better.

than some of the things you said. These two teachers of underage students actively went out and solicited not one but two underaged prostitutes to engage in sexual acts with them. They thought the prostitutes were the age of their students--do you still not see something wrong with that? It was not a simple act. If they had such rapport with their students they should have abhorred the fact that there were teen-age prostitutes available--not gone out of their area to find them--actively hunt them. What two (or more) people do in their home is their business--unless they have included under age children--and they were not in their home. I must have missed where Clinton was with them. Just where did you get that from? If you are suggesting that former President Clinton's morals rubbed off on them then they should not have been teaching anyway if they could be swayed or influenced by someone else's improper behavior. They were supposed to be adults. When you are an adult with children of your own you will see the difference. Perhaps prostitution should be legalized but underage children should never be part of it. It takes a sick person to want to have sex with an underaged child--and certainly it speaks poorly to the character of these two teachers no matter what a wonderful program they provided for the student body or how nice, friendly or whatever they were. It was wrong morally, legally and any other way you can imagine.

they were not soliciting underage prostitutes. The charge is wrong. Just another screw up of the legal system.

THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG WITH ISSUES AT WHITEWATER HIGH SCHOOL.

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WHAT AN OUTSTANDING GROUP OF ROLE MODELS YOU HAVE MR DECOTIS RUNNING ONE OF YOUR FAYETTE COUNTY HIGH SCHOOLS! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS THIS WAY...AS A TAX PAYER I AM APPALLED!